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nervoushabits said:
Agreed. I'm really interested in helping to develop MTM so it is more manageable in community settings. From my personal experience working in retail, it's kind of a pain when you have to have a pharmacist step out for about an hour or so.
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I can see that. The new direction is one of the reasons I am interested in becoming a pharmacist. Lots of excitement surrounding the profession right now. I find it to be an excellent way to help control healthcare costs.
 
wes011 said:
I can see that. The new direction is one of the reasons I am interested in becoming a pharmacist. Lots of excitement surrounding the profession right now. I find it to be an excellent way to help control healthcare costs.
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Patient compliance is a big deal to me, so when MTM came about, I was thrilled to know that some people were going to have to go through mandatory counsulation, especially those that have a billion different meds with contraindications. It allows pharmacists to do what they are supposed to: give out advice and suggestions with regards to medications.

I'm really happy that there is another person in my class with an interest in MTM. 😀

If I don't work on MTM, I'd like to go into compounding or infusion pharmacy. They interest me like no other. lol
 
wes011 said:
I can see that. The new direction is one of the reasons I am interested in becoming a pharmacist. Lots of excitement surrounding the profession right now. I find it to be an excellent way to help control healthcare costs.
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I want to do nuclear pharmacy, but this school doesnt have it. I wish pharmacists could write prescriptions. I mean RN could so why can't pharmacists?
 
It's official! I have been accepted into Sullivan College of Pharmacy! 😀
 
LegitPharmacist said:
I want to do nuclear pharmacy, but this school doesnt have it. I wish pharmacists could write prescriptions. I mean RN could so why can't pharmacists?
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Legit - I really believe that pharmacists will be writing scripts in the next 6-10 years. In fact, I was told that some already are.
 
nervoushabits said:
Patient compliance is a big deal to me, so when MTM came about, I was thrilled to know that some people were going to have to go through mandatory counsulation, especially those that have a billion different meds with contraindications. It allows pharmacists to do what they are supposed to: give out advice and suggestions with regards to medications.

I'm really happy that there is another person in my class with an interest in MTM. 😀

If I don't work on MTM, I'd like to go into compounding or infusion pharmacy. They interest me like no other. lol
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I definitely have an interest in MTM. Eventually I'd like to work at Kosair Children's Hospital, maybe in oncology.

I am sure I will do a PGY1, and would like to do a PGY2 if I find the right program. I'd be interested in pediatrics, oncology, pharmacotherapy, drug information, ah hell at this point I won't rule anything out. 😀
 
wes011 said:
I definitely have an interest in MTM. Eventually I'd like to work at Kosair Children's Hospital, maybe in oncology.

I am sure I will do a PGY1, and would like to do a PGY2 if I find the right program. I'd be interested in pediatrics, oncology, pharmacotherapy, drug information, ah hell at this point I won't rule anything out. 😀
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I don't believe I have to do any sort of residency for compounding, but I'm not quite sure about infusion. I know I have to have training for both, but not to the extent of doing a year or two as a resident (even though I would like to do one in oncology or Pain management depending on which one I decide to go into...which means both PGY1 and 2). Who knows, maybe I'll change my mind.
 
LegitPharmacist said:
I want to do nuclear pharmacy, but this school doesnt have it. I wish pharmacists could write prescriptions. I mean RN could so why can't pharmacists?
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You could still do nuclear if you want to. I think you have to do a residency and then have special certifications afterward to practice on your own (don't quote me on that though). If you do have to do a residency, I've heard it's best to do it elsewhere, so you can gain more experience in different areas of the country. But idk, guess it depends on you.
 
nervoushabits said:
You could still do nuclear if you want to. I think you have to do a residency and then have special certifications afterward to practice on your own (don't quote me on that though). If you do have to do a residency, I've heard it's best to do it elsewhere, so you can gain more experience in different areas of the country. But idk, guess it depends on you.
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yeah......But right now we have to focus and pass pharm school first!!!:laugh: we will find out later.....it is too early to say.....are u sure u want to do compounding? u need something challenging 👍
 
LegitPharmacist said:
yeah......But right now we have to focus and pass pharm school first!!!:laugh: we will find out later.....it is too early to say.....are u sure u want to do compounding? u need something challenging 👍
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Boo on you. lol

I love to compound, and some of it is challenging. You have to be insanely precise, and I'm really picky about everything, so I figure it'd be a great match. I job shadowed for about 2 weeks at a compounding pharmacy and fell in love. 😍

....and not only do I have make it through pharmacy school, I still have to survive OchemII and Stats next semester....maybe even another sem of anatomy and physio :scared:
 
wes011 said:
I am sure I will do a PGY1, and would like to do a PGY2 if I find the right program. I'd be interested in pediatrics, oncology, pharmacotherapy, drug information, ah hell at this point I won't rule anything out. 😀
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Hey I didn't know pharmacists can do residency..Pediatrics? isn't that for ppl with MD degree? Can you elaborate more about the residency process?
 
nervoushabits said:
Boo on you. lol


....and not only do I have make it through pharmacy school, I still have to survive OchemII and Stats next semester....maybe even another sem of anatomy and physio :scared:
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wow! you have a rope around your neck:scared: if you don't pass it for some reasons u have to give up your seat? I don't think you will be able to take summer school to make up for it. School starts 7/12/010
 
LegitPharmacist said:
Hey I didn't know pharmacists can do residency..Pediatrics? isn't that for ppl with MD degree? Can you elaborate more about the residency process?
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Hell yeah we can do residencies. This is what I have been trying to tell you. We get to specialize now man. Great stuff if you ask me. So you will be able to choose an area to specialize in so you can focus on treating patients in that particular interest you have. Pretty awesome stuff if you ask me. And you will get to do this while working 40 hours per week and making $100K+ and you can walk away at the end of the day.

Pharmacists can do up to 2 years of residency, PGY1 and PGY2 (each one being 12 months long). PGY1 residencies allow people to gain experience in a certain area of pratice such as pharmacy practice (typically hospital), managed care (insurance), or community pharmacy (retail companies). PGY2 residencies allow you to pick a specialty such as ambulatory care, pediatrics, pharmacotherapy, nuclear, etc...

From my understanding, the ASHP (American Society of Health-System Pharmacists) would like to mandate residencies for all new pharmacists looking to practice in a hospital by 2020.

You can click on this link to check out what residency programs are available. Click on residency directory.

http://www.ashp.org/Import/ACCREDITATION/ResidencyDirectory.aspx
 
wes011 said:
Hell yeah we can do residencies. This is what I have been trying to tell you. We get to specialize now man. Great stuff if you ask me. So you will be able to choose an area to specialize in so you can focus on treating patients in that particular interest you have. Pretty awesome stuff if you ask me. And you will get to do this while working 40 hours per week and making $100K+ and you can walk away at the end of the day.

Pharmacists can do up to 2 years of residency, PGY1 and PGY2 (each one being 12 months long). PGY1 residencies allow people to gain experience in a certain area of pratice such as pharmacy practice (typically hospital), managed care (insurance), or community pharmacy (retail companies). PGY2 residencies allow you to pick a specialty such as ambulatory care, pediatrics, pharmacotherapy, nuclear, etc...

From my understanding, the ASHP (American Society of Health-System Pharmacists) would like to mandate residencies for all new pharmacists looking to practice in a hospital by 2020.

You can click on this link to check out what residency programs are available. Click on residency directory.

http://www.ashp.org/Import/ACCREDITATION/ResidencyDirectory.aspx
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WOW! pharmacists will now get respects as MDs and dentists ! people just assumed pharmacists are those who worked in retails........but now we are moving up:laugh:
 
Yes, pharmacists have the title Dr. (the program is a -doctor- of pharmacy after all 😛) I guess most people don't think of pharmacists as doctors because most people only think pharmacists count pills. In fact, pharmacists have been part of diagnostics and even surgical teams at hospitals for a long time. (Who do you think taught your MD about medications during their residency. They just get the tip of the iceberg about pharmacology in med school- that's our specialty.)

RN's can not write scripts, you may be thinking of NP's (Nurse Practitioners). Some places allow their RN to pre-write the Rx for the doctor, but they do not really have any authority and this isn't really ethical.

100k is pretty standard for a starting pharmacy salary. Oddly enough hospital pharmacists make a little less than retail even though getting those positions sometimes require extra education and effort(residencies, etc). Retail pharmacy is simply more profitable and they can pay their pharmacists more (Walgreens starts about 105 or 115k now I think). But making ~5k less to love your job more is nothing to cough at.

Pharmacy residencies have been around for a long time. You will not be making 100k, most residencies pay 30-40k at best. Most residencies will just be 1 year, PGY2 is mostly reserved for specialized residencies like pediatrics (which i hear is amazing- I hope to get a rotation at Kosairs this summer) In fact, residencies are becoming pretty standard for most non-retail positions and it is very likely that it will become required for all pharmacists somewhere down the line.
 
Oh, a couple random thoughts as well. SUCOP is in the process of getting dual-degrees approved. If they do, you will be able to take some extra business classes (especially while your on rotations and not in class all day) and get your Masters of Business at the same time as your Doctor of Pharmacy. Just something to consider.

Also, if you haven't done so. I would recommend everyone go to APhA's website (www.pharmacist.com) and click on careers. They have this service called the "APhA Pathway Program" and its a survey of ~50 questions about your prefrences at work, etc. When your done it will suggest pharmacy careers that you may be interested in. I was supprised bc I always thought I would end up doing Hospital pharmacy and do a PGY2. It really had some good points and now I'm looking into compounding and independant retail pharmacy. I had never thought about compounding but after I took it and we started our compounding lab I realized I really enjoyed it. Try it out for yourself.
 
LegitPharmacist said:
wow! you have a rope around your neck:scared: if you don't pass it for some reasons u have to give up your seat? I don't think you will be able to take summer school to make up for it. School starts 7/12/010
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Eh, my stats class is supposed to be SUPER EASY. I'm sure I will pass my OchemII.....can't see why I won't. Anatomy is what I'm worried about. For some reason, anatomy just doesn't click with me. I find it interesting, but idk. Idk what's wrong with me and that class, but I'll have one semester under my belt when I have to take it so, no worries! I'll be attending! Plus, I could always do a Maymester if I have to.

I don't understand why they didn't give me a conditional acceptance....anyone know why they didn't?
 
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Criz said:
Yes, pharmacists have the title Dr. (the program is a -doctor- of pharmacy after all 😛) I guess most people don't think of pharmacists as doctors because most people only think pharmacists count pills. In fact, pharmacists have been part of diagnostics and even surgical teams at hospitals for a long time. (Who do you think taught your MD about medications during their residency. They just get the tip of the iceberg about pharmacology in med school- that's our specialty.)

RN's can not write scripts, you may be thinking of NP's (Nurse Practitioners). Some places allow their RN to pre-write the Rx for the doctor, but they do not really have any authority and this isn't really ethical.

100k is pretty standard for a starting pharmacy salary. Oddly enough hospital pharmacists make a little less than retail even though getting those positions sometimes require extra education and effort(residencies, etc). Retail pharmacy is simply more profitable and they can pay their pharmacists more (Walgreens starts about 105 or 115k now I think). But making ~5k less to love your job more is nothing to cough at.

Pharmacy residencies have been around for a long time. You will not be making 100k, most residencies pay 30-40k at best. Most residencies will just be 1 year, PGY2 is mostly reserved for specialized residencies like pediatrics (which i hear is amazing- I hope to get a rotation at Kosairs this summer) In fact, residencies are becoming pretty standard for most non-retail positions and it is very likely that it will become required for all pharmacists somewhere down the line.
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Criz - I am not confusing the two between a pharmacist and NP. I will not say who, but I can say one of the higher ranked Admins at SUCOP told me they already have pharmacists writing Rx here in town. Now that could just be semantics and maybe they don't have the last signature but I was told that it is already happening....and I think it will be much more common in 6-10 years....especially if ASHP lobbies to get all new clinical pharmacists residency requirements.

And yes you make significantly less during residencies, if you go to ASHP it tells you what each position pays.
 
Criz said:
Oh, a couple random thoughts as well. SUCOP is in the process of getting dual-degrees approved. If they do, you will be able to take some extra business classes (especially while your on rotations and not in class all day) and get your Masters of Business at the same time as your Doctor of Pharmacy. Just something to consider.

Also, if you haven't done so. I would recommend everyone go to APhA's website (www.pharmacist.com) and click on careers. They have this service called the "APhA Pathway Program" and its a survey of ~50 questions about your prefrences at work, etc. When your done it will suggest pharmacy careers that you may be interested in. I was supprised bc I always thought I would end up doing Hospital pharmacy and do a PGY2. It really had some good points and now I'm looking into compounding and independant retail pharmacy. I had never thought about compounding but after I took it and we started our compounding lab I realized I really enjoyed it. Try it out for yourself.
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Awesome thanks for the advice. I was really interested in the PharmD/MPH dual degree with UofL, however, that will not be available till later. I know not until Sullivan has a graduating class. I believe the PharmD/MBA, the additional business courses are online and I know Dr. Facione mentioned to me about a dual PharmD/PhD, do you know the details of this one? Also for the dual PharmD/MBA program, do you have to pay any additional tuition or do they allow you to take the additional courses free of charge (just pay for class material)?

Edit: I just took the APhA Pathway Program survey and it told me my top 3 matches based on survey responses are: compounding pharmacist (0.71), clinical specialist (0.77), Hospital pharmacy management (0.95) and if you include the critical factors that I selected: clinical specialist (0.83), Academia: Clinical Practice (1.17), Compounding Pharmacy (1.26), Community Health Center (1.28). Pretty interesting stuff.
 
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wes011 said:
Criz -

And yes you make significantly less during residencies, if you go to ASHP it tells you what each position pays.
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Do you make more after residency? 150K+? what can you do with MBA degree?
 
LegitPharmacist said:
Do you make more after residency? 150K+? what can you do with MBA degree?
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Anything is possible but generally no. Residencies are often very competitive to gain acceptance, pay 30-40k, and don't necessarily guarantee a clinical job afterward as it is currently a slim niche to my understanding. Hospital pharmacists in general make less than community pharmacists. Therefore, residency is more or less about job satisfaction and not about increasing income.

MBA could help with eventually securing a DOP job.
 
wes011 said:
Criz - I am not confusing the two between a pharmacist and NP. I will not say who, but I can say one of the higher ranked Admins at SUCOP told me they already have pharmacists writing Rx here in town. Now that could just be semantics and maybe they don't have the last signature but I was told that it is already happening....and I think it will be much more common in 6-10 years....especially if ASHP lobbies to get all new clinical pharmacists residency requirements.

And yes you make significantly less during residencies, if you go to ASHP it tells you what each position pays.
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I didn't say anything about Pharmacy prescription writing, RN=registered nurse. I think I remember Legit saying something about RN writing scripts but I'm in a rush so I won't go back and double check right now. I'm pretty sure the VA lets pharmacists write scripts in any state if you work for them.
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Also- No, I don't know a lot about the PharmD/MBA program. They just told us they were trying to get everything in place for the class of 2012 to take advantage of it.
Remember that on that pathway program, the lower the number the better the match.
 
Criz said:
I didn't say anything about Pharmacy prescription writing, RN=registered nurse. I think I remember Legit saying something about RN writing scripts but I'm in a rush so I won't go back and double check right now. I'm pretty sure the VA lets pharmacists write scripts in any state if you work for them.
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Also- No, I don't know a lot about the PharmD/MBA program. They just told us they were trying to get everything in place for the class of 2012 to take advantage of it.
Remember that on that pathway program, the lower the number the better the match.
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Ah sorry for the confusion. Looks like Clinical Pharmacy for me, the average of the two matches (with and without critical factors) is lowest.
 
LegitPharmacist said:
Do you make more after residency? 150K+? what can you do with MBA degree?
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Buddy you are living in a fantasy world. Like joetrisman said, the MBA gives you something to differentiate yourself so you can have that business side to give you an edge to run a department.

It's not mandatory but if there is a lot of competition, just another thng you can add to your resume. You can do a PGY2 in administration, and in some residency programs you can earn the MBA as well.

I am beginning to think you haven't researched this profession at all. Are you sure you want to become a pharmacist?
 
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wes011 said:
I am beginning to think you haven't researched this profession at all. Are you sure you want to become a pharmacist?
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I was beginning to think that as well....I've been researching since freshman year of high school (so I have a good 6 or 7 years of learning about the profession under my belt). I think just about everyone on here knows about residencies, and I was a bit worried when the salary talk started.....and continued.......:eyebrow:
 
nervoushabits said:
I was beginning to think that as well....I've been researching since freshman year of high school (so I have a good 6 or 7 years of learning about the profession under my belt). I think just about everyone on here knows about residencies, and I was a bit worried when the salary talk started.....and continued.......:eyebrow:
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It does make one wonder.
 
Criz said:
Yes, pharmacists have the title Dr. (the program is a -doctor- of pharmacy after all 😛) I guess most people don't think of pharmacists as doctors because most people only think pharmacists count pills. In fact, pharmacists have been part of diagnostics and even surgical teams at hospitals for a long time. (Who do you think taught your MD about medications during their residency. They just get the tip of the iceberg about pharmacology in med school- that's our specialty.)

RN's can not write scripts, you may be thinking of NP's (Nurse Practitioners). Some places allow their RN to pre-write the Rx for the doctor, but they do not really have any authority and this isn't really ethical.

100k is pretty standard for a starting pharmacy salary. Oddly enough hospital pharmacists make a little less than retail even though getting those positions sometimes require extra education and effort(residencies, etc). Retail pharmacy is simply more profitable and they can pay their pharmacists more (Walgreens starts about 105 or 115k now I think). But making ~5k less to love your job more is nothing to cough at.

Pharmacy residencies have been around for a long time. You will not be making 100k, most residencies pay 30-40k at best. Most residencies will just be 1 year, PGY2 is mostly reserved for specialized residencies like pediatrics (which i hear is amazing- I hope to get a rotation at Kosairs this summer) In fact, residencies are becoming pretty standard for most non-retail positions and it is very likely that it will become required for all pharmacists somewhere down the line.
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Criz - What is the process for deciding who gets to do what rotations? I am curious because you said you wanted to do one at KCH in the summer. Thanks in advance.
 
wes011 said:
I am beginning to think you haven't researched this profession at all. Are you sure you want to become a pharmacist?
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hahaha like i said no one could say what they want to be until they experience with it. You might think u like this profession, but who knows? you might hate it in a long run. I usually dont have time to do researches.....i rather listen to myself than others.........:laugh:
 
nervoushabits said:
I think just about everyone on here knows about residencies, and I was a bit worried when the salary talk started.....and continued.......:eyebrow:
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not everyone knows about residencies....and i met some people at the interview who doesn't even know what NDC is.....In regards to the salary, i want to give an idea of how much the pharmacists make. I might not research about this profession much, but it is not important. I will find out in pharmacy school.
 
LegitPharmacist said:
. I might not research about this profession much, but it is not important. I will find out in pharmacy school.
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I don't know if I agree with that. I think it's important to research each career that you are interested in. That's how I eliminated a lot of choices when I was applying to college. Besides, it's kinda rough to dish out 32K+ each year, and not end up liking your profession. Just my 2 cents. Take it as you will. 🙂
 
delano2000 said:
Does anyone know if they are still sending out interview invitations?
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I am sure they will be. I think as long as a qualified candidate applies they will interview. They can always put you as a high priority wait list if you don't get in right away. There is always some movement because people get accepted into school A and end up at School B.
 
I had an interview with 2 professors last friday (the 30th). After a long drive to KY from SC, I was very tired holding myself up during the interview. but it was somewhat formal unlikely what people said here about being very casual and all. I expected to have an interview with Dr.Facione but I was wrong.
The two professors I had looked very young..young enough I even said I thought they were students. LOL they were really nice and friendly though. They were all from GA and so was I, so we talked a little about the town I was coming from.They made me feel really comfortable and helped make the interview enjoyable.

One of the profs (the other one said he forgot to bring his) gave his name card to contact him directly if I have any question. There were 2 more people waiting for the interview after me. I had a brief campus tour (which wasn't much since the bldg was the pretty much the campus itself) guided by the one professor while the other was prepping for the next interviewee in the room. The interview went on about 30-40 min including the tour. I talked to Paige while waiting for the interview for about 10 mins since I was sitting right next to her desk. She was super duper nice and said how busy the admission process gets around this time of the year. She was a sweet lady that I felt like I've known her before.

The questions they asked were pretty much covered in this thread which really helped. Advice for those who are still waiting for the interview-be yourself, be honest, be cheerful, and SMILE! 🙂
 
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Yes, I have already completed the Biochem Honor and earned A. I am glad I have done this class, very interested course I have ever taken.

Also, my interview will be held on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 1:00. Any local residence please help!😍
 
714mdh77 said:
Yes, I have already completed the Biochem Honor and earned A. I am glad I have done this class, very interested course I have ever taken.

Also, my interview will be held on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 1:00. Any local residence please help!😍
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are you from the OC?
 
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