the bill has passed- whats gonna happen to us?

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I did a rotation over break at a hospital and the pharmacist I talked to claimed this was the first year in 10 years that they did not receive a pay raise and their vacation days got cut. They also are no longer allowed to work overtime and hours are being cut for everyone. She claimed this was to do with budget uncertainties because of the economy and socialized medicine right around the corner.

If the government does cause pharmacist pay to be cut then they should at least do something about the 100-150k several of us racked up to pay for our education. I even know one student who claims he will be nearly 225k in debt by the time he graduates and he has been working 10-20 hours a week as a hospital tech as an undergraduate and then 5-10 hours a week as a hospital intern.

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You still DO NOT GET IT. Giving away taxes that you "will never use"? Have you read a single post in this thread? When you get hit by a drunk driver and go on disability, you sure as hell will be using it. When you drive at ALL, in fact, you use it because those taxes pay for the roads. When your kids go to school, they will use it.


False and False. Payroll taxes do not pay for roads or schools. Roads are paid out of excise taxes and the local education system is paid out of local property taxes.
 
Back on topic...Obama's on TV...and it looks like the other half of the Schoolhouse Rock cartoon is about to happen here right quick. Maybe it'll pass. That dummy Lieberman is messing everything up. Apparently, it's gonna be "deficit neutral"...which if legit, is interesting.

I don't think its socialized enough, however.

The only reason that it is deficit neutral is because the taxes start immediately and the payouts don't start until 2014. They get 4 years of lead time of collecting taxes (thus decreasing the deficit) before they have to pay out a cent.

It will by no means stay deficit neutral once the government needs to start paying out for the programs.
 
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Some of the ignorance in this thread is unparalleled. Absolutely mind boggling. I'm always amazed at one's refusal to [at least try to] see the world through a different lens. Agree or not, the ability to comprehend another point of view is priceless.

I pity the apathetic.
 
False and False. Payroll taxes do not pay for roads or schools. Roads are paid out of excise taxes and the local education system is paid out of local property taxes.

Any tax the Federal government takes in goes into the same pot. That's like saying I don't pay the cable bill, we use my spouses money for that. In general, the point is we get a great deal of benefit from the government as people in the middle and upper middle class.

If you take all of the money spent on Welfare by the federal government it's less than the about 190 billion per year on mortgage interest deductions. That's more than we spend on welfare and it's all for the wealthy and middle class. The idea that the free loaders are getting your money is just bull****.
 
Any tax the Federal government takes in goes into the same pot. That's like saying I don't pay the cable bill, we use my spouses money for that. In general, the point is we get a great deal of benefit from the government as people in the middle and upper middle class.

If you take all of the money spent on Welfare by the federal government it's less than the about 190 billion per year on mortgage interest deductions. That's more than we spend on welfare and it's all for the wealthy and middle class. The idea that the free loaders are getting your money is just bull****.

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Any tax the Federal government takes in goes into the same pot. That's like saying I don't pay the cable bill, we use my spouses money for that. In general, the point is we get a great deal of benefit from the government as people in the middle and upper middle class.

If you take all of the money spent on Welfare by the federal government it's less than the about 190 billion per year on mortgage interest deductions. That's more than we spend on welfare and it's all for the wealthy and middle class. The idea that the free loaders are getting your money is just bull****.

Uhh, how can you compare mildly REDUCING someone's taxes in the higher tax brackets to groups of people that not only CONTRIBUTE NOTHING in the way of taxes, but who also take a portion of the other group's taxes as their sole source of income? As much as I hate it, I understand there is a place for welfare in the system (children deserve as close to a level playing field as is possible in poor circumstances), but you can't fault others on here w/ less socialistic tendencies for being angry about it and dismiss it as a static, negligent expense.
 
Uhh, how can you compare mildly REDUCING someone's taxes in the higher tax brackets to groups of people that not only CONTRIBUTE NOTHING in the way of taxes, but who also take a portion of the other group's taxes as their sole source of income? As much as I hate it, I understand there is a place for welfare in the system (children deserve as close to a level playing field as is possible in poor circumstances), but you can't fault others on here w/ less socialistic tendencies for being angry about it and dismiss it as a static, negligent expense.

Money is money. The upper middle classes receive way more from the government than do the lower classes. So don't begrudge the poor. There is a lot about welfare not to like, but the money is not the problem. And by the way, 190 billion per year is not mildly reducing taxes. If you want a system where there is very limited government and people keep what they have, I think you would be poorer. How many people on this board have student loans? All subsidized by the tax payers.
 
Quit your bikering you buncha losers.

Here's a joke so everyone can laugh and smile for a second.

How Fights Start

My wife sat down on the settee next to me as I was flipping channels.
She asked, 'What's on TV?' I said, 'Dust.'
And then the fight started...

My wife and I were watching "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" while we
were in bed. I turned to her and said, "Do you want to have sex?"
"No," she answered. I then said, "Is that your final answer?" She
didn't even look at me this time, simply saying, "Yes." So I said,
"Then I'd like to phone a friend."
And then the fight started....

Saturday morning I got up early, quietly dressed, made my lunch, and
slipped quietly into the garage. I hooked up the boat up to the van, and
proceeded to back out into a torrential downpour. The wind was blowing
50 mph, so I pulled back into the garage, turned on the radio, and
discovered that the weather would be bad all day. I went back into the
house, quietly undressed, and slipped back into bed. I cuddled up to my
wife's back, now with a different anticipation, and whispered, "The
weather out there is terrible." My loving wife of 5 years replied,
"Can you believe my stupid husband is out fishing in that?"
And that's how the fight started...


I rear-ended a car this morning. So, there we were alongside the road
and slowly the other driver got out of his car. You know how sometimes
you just get soooo stressed and little things just seem funny? Yeah,
well I couldn't believe it.... He was a DWARF!!! He stormed over to my
car, looked up at me, and shouted, "I AM NOT HAPPY!!!" So, I looked
down at him and said, "Well, then which one are you?"
And then the fight started.....


My wife was hinting about what she wanted for our upcoming anniversary.
She said, 'I want something shiny that goes from 0 to 150 in about 3
seconds.' I bought her a bathroom scale.
And then the fight started...


When I got home last night, my wife demanded that I take her some place
expensive .. so, I took her to a gas station...
And then the fight started...



After retiring, I went to the Social Security office to apply for Social
Security. The woman behind the counter asked me for my driver's license
to verify my age. I looked in my pockets and realized I had left my
wallet at home. I told the woman that I was very sorry, but I
would have to go home and come back later. The woman said, 'Unbutton
your shirt'. So I opened my shirt, revealing my curly silver hair. She
said, 'That silver hair on your chest is proof enough for me' and she
processed my Social Security application. When I got home, I excitedly
told my wife about my experience at the Social Security office. She
said, 'You should have dropped your pants. You might have gotten
disability, too.'
And then the fight started...


My wife and I were sitting at a table at my school reunion, and I kept
staring at a drunken lady swigging her drink as she sat alone at a
nearby table. My wife asked, 'Do you know her?' "Yes,' I sighed,
'She's my old girlfriend. I understand she took to drinking right after
we split up those many years ago, and I hear she hasn't been sober
since. ''My God!' says my wife, 'who would think a person could go on
celebrating that long?'
And then the fight started...


I took my wife to a restaurant. The waiter, for some reason took my
order first. "I'll have the steak, medium rare, please." He said,
"Aren't you worried about the mad cow?" I replied, "Nah, she can order
for herself."
And then the fight started...

A woman was standing nude, looking in the bedroom mirror. She was not
happy with what she saw and said to her husband, "I feel horrible; I
look old, fat and ugly . . . I really need you to pay me a compliment.'
The husband replied, 'Your eyesight's damn near perfect..'
And then the fight started.....
 
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P4sci I was wondering where you were this whole time... Too bad you missed it... Twas good.

Opryland hotel is amazing at christmas... I went to the one in Orlando a while back too... I can't remember which one it was, but they had an entire village made out of chocolate, gingerbread, and marzapan in the lobby

I thought those jokes were funny and I'm not married.. I actually laughed out loud @ the fishing one because my boyfriend is a diver.
 
I thought those jokes were funny and I'm not married.. I actually laughed out loud @ the fishing one because my boyfriend is a diver.

mmmmmm....I can take this so far... so when he goes diving... you have someone sneak in... or are you saying he likes to 'dive' and you like it....
 
Lol after I read what I wrote I realized what it sounded like! He's a tropical fish diver... I'm actually at the airport right now shipping boxes of fishies. No one sneaks in though! I just thought it was funny because that is something I would say. It was like 59 degrees and WINDY the other day down here and I had to explain to someone why he was out on the boat.
 
ok so ur bf is a Nemo killer and you want someone to sneak in ur bed when he goes diving. allsome!

Lol after I read what I wrote I realized what it sounded like! He's a tropical fish diver... I'm actually at the airport right now shipping boxes of fishies. No one sneaks in though! I just thought it was funny because that is something I would say. It was like 59 degrees and WINDY the other day down here and I had to explain to someone why he was out on the boat.
 
Any tax the Federal government takes in goes into the same pot. That's like saying I don't pay the cable bill, we use my spouses money for that. In general, the point is we get a great deal of benefit from the government as people in the middle and upper middle class.

If you take all of the money spent on Welfare by the federal government it's less than the about 190 billion per year on mortgage interest deductions. That's more than we spend on welfare and it's all for the wealthy and middle class. The idea that the free loaders are getting your money is just bull****.

False again. Excise and Property taxes are not taken by the Federal Government.
 
False again. Excise and Property taxes are not taken by the Federal Government.

you're ignoring the concept of his argument and latching on to one of his examples (which may have been a poor one). if this is how you "debate" then why bother ... pick on his spelling next, it'll get you places.
 
I have to admit that I got lazy and only read the first four pages of this thread, but I must say, WVU, you are dead on. Nice job. You suffered ignorance well and still managed to maintain enough composure to educate anyone else that might have been reading about the reality of healthcare and the humanity implied in self-governance. If I ever meet someone in an airport from WV, I'm buying them a drink in your honor!

one thing to the Ole Miss poster... do you guys study supply and demand at rebel college? Add 50 million patients to an existing shortage of caregivers, and "we're all screwed"???? Ask one of your oil buddies what happens when you have something that there's not enough of that everybody needs....
 
Can't believe these threadjackers.. ok..to get back on topic..

Confucius Says


Crowded elevator always smell different to midget.

Dumb man climb tree to get cherry, wise man spread limbs.

Don't drink and park - accidents cause people.

State of pregnancy exist when woman takes seriously something poked in fun.

He who buries a man's wife alive, should not expect to sit at that man's dinner table without the subject coming up.

He who plays with self, pulls boner.

Baseball all wrong -- man with four balls cannot walk.

House without toilet is uncanny.

Man trapped in brothel get jerked around.

Man's wife his better half, his mistress his better whole.

Panties not best thing on earth, but next to it.

It is good for girl to meet boy in park, but better for boy to park meat in girl.

Man have more hair on chest than woman, but on whole woman have more.

Man who cut self while shaving, lose face.

Man who eats photo of father, soon spitting-image of father.

Man who lay woman on ground gets piece on earth.

Man who plays with self pulls boner.

Man who take sleeping pill and laxative on the same night will wake up in deep ****.

Man who pushes piano down mineshaft get tone of A flat miner.

Man who sneezes without tissue takes matters in his own hands.

Wise man never play leapfrog with unicorn.

Man who suck woman's tit make clean breast of things.

Man who walk in middle of road get run over by bus.

Wife not part of furniture, until screwed on bed.

Woman laid in tomb may soon become mummy.

Man who fall in vat of molten glass make spectacle of self.

Man who jizz in cash register come into money.

Man with tight trousers is pressing his luck.

Man who gets kicked in testicles, left holding bag.

Man who crosses the ocean twice without washing is a dirty double crosser.

Man who drive like hell, bound to get there.

Man trapped in pantry have ass in jam.

Don't sweat the petty stuff ... and don't pet the sweaty stuff.

Woman who wear jockstrap have make believe ballroom.

Woman who slides down banister makes monkey shine.

Man who scratches ass should not bite fingernails.

Man who tell one too many light bulb jokes soon burn out.

Woman who puts detergent on top shelf, jump for Joy.
 
good job, this is much better, except now, most of the content would only amuse those having sex. :cool:

Who are you.. I've not seen you here before.

I only posted it because I like the first midget joke...which has nothing to do with sex.
 
what a horrible bill, this isnt socialism, or even captilaism, this is a corporatist bill

fail on every level
 
So in the end, pass all of the bickering and arguing whether or not this bill is the correct way to go about things, how does the health care reform bill affect health care workers in its current state? :confused:
 
I didn't want to create a new thread but thought this link is appropriate to the forum and its audience

http://www.rollcall.com/news/41674-1.html

"The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 ordered the CMS to cut $8.4 billion over a five-year period from the program through an ill-advised average manufacturer price formula, with 90 percent coming from pharmacy reimbursement for Medicaid generic prescription drugs. The Government Accountability Office found pharmacies would lose, on average, 36 percent on every prescription that they filled."

"Stephen Schondelmeyer, director of the PRIME Institute at the University of Minnesota, testified in the AMP lawsuit as an expert witness and asserted that 10,000 to 12,000 retail pharmacies would close their doors over the next few years as a result of the cuts, with a vast majority being in underserved rural and urban areas. Those losses will be felt most profoundly with community pharmacies, which average 15 percent of their prescription sales coming from Medicaid; that’s double the average of large chain pharmacies."
 
I didn't want to create a new thread but thought this link is appropriate to the forum and its audience

http://www.rollcall.com/news/41674-1.html

"The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 ordered the CMS to cut $8.4 billion over a five-year period from the program through an ill-advised average manufacturer price formula, with 90 percent coming from pharmacy reimbursement for Medicaid generic prescription drugs. The Government Accountability Office found pharmacies would lose, on average, 36 percent on every prescription that they filled."

"Stephen Schondelmeyer, director of the PRIME Institute at the University of Minnesota, testified in the AMP lawsuit as an expert witness and asserted that 10,000 to 12,000 retail pharmacies would close their doors over the next few years as a result of the cuts, with a vast majority being in underserved rural and urban areas. Those losses will be felt most profoundly with community pharmacies, which average 15 percent of their prescription sales coming from Medicaid; that’s double the average of large chain pharmacies."

:claps: It's all downhill now. "Crash and burn" imminent. :scared: Someone stop them! :(
 
I did a rotation over break at a hospital and the pharmacist I talked to claimed this was the first year in 10 years that they did not receive a pay raise and their vacation days got cut. They also are no longer allowed to work overtime and hours are being cut for everyone. She claimed this was to do with budget uncertainties because of the economy and socialized medicine right around the corner.

If the government does cause pharmacist pay to be cut then they should at least do something about the 100-150k several of us racked up to pay for our education. I even know one student who claims he will be nearly 225k in debt by the time he graduates and he has been working 10-20 hours a week as a hospital tech as an undergraduate and then 5-10 hours a week as a hospital intern.

No one mentioned this post. Why is that?

So I just did a quick speed scan of this whole thread yet again.

So in short, the majority of people here are actually supporting the bill while the ones who are not (or at least not supporting it fully) are getting dipped in acid with great logic.

So people here are actually OK with the potential of getting a meaty salary cut ontop of the other future chaotic events that are abound to happen? (like surplus of pharmacists, less overall respect in the country, etc etc)


I think this might just be a sounding alarm for future hopefuls who actually want to make a difference, make a living, and not worry about troubles (in other words, future HS grads)

.....Is it possible to attend to colleges? (like one pharmacy school and one "unnamed" university) As long as the two colleges are ok with it and there are no schedule clashes? I'm actually serious on this one :(



EDIT: I'm NEUTRAL in this case for those who are wondering.
 
I didn't want to create a new thread but thought this link is appropriate to the forum and its audience

http://www.rollcall.com/news/41674-1.html

"The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 ordered the CMS to cut $8.4 billion over a five-year period from the program through an ill-advised average manufacturer price formula, with 90 percent coming from pharmacy reimbursement for Medicaid generic prescription drugs. The Government Accountability Office found pharmacies would lose, on average, 36 percent on every prescription that they filled."

"Stephen Schondelmeyer, director of the PRIME Institute at the University of Minnesota, testified in the AMP lawsuit as an expert witness and asserted that 10,000 to 12,000 retail pharmacies would close their doors over the next few years as a result of the cuts, with a vast majority being in underserved rural and urban areas. Those losses will be felt most profoundly with community pharmacies, which average 15 percent of their prescription sales coming from Medicaid; that’s double the average of large chain pharmacies."

This is confusing enough without you bringing in something that has nothing to do with the current debate. This is about Medicaid reimbursement. That's why it's in The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 which is before Obama even declared his candidacy.
 
No one mentioned this post. Why is that?
It is factually incorrect and really has no bearing on the subject at hand.

So I just did a quick speed scan of this whole thread yet again.

Not so well then.....

So in short, the majority of people here are actually supporting the bill while the ones who are not (or at least not supporting it fully) are getting dipped in acid with great logic.

Not really. The people getting dipped in acid are the people who assume that welfare recipients take all of our money and waste it on new cars, alcohol, cell phones and have as many kids as possible so they get even more of the above. They also assume the amount of money spent of welfare is about 80% of the budget (hyperbole, but you get the point) These same people, mostly students, who up until this time in their life have not earned a real salary yet are getting loads of benefits from the government in the form of subsidized loans and education as well as all of the benefits their parents have received from the various and sundry tax breaks the middle class gets without proper appreciation.... The things that makes me really pi**ed off is the way the dehumanize people on welfare.....

So people here are actually OK with the potential of getting a meaty salary cut ontop of the other future chaotic events that are abound to happen? (like surplus of pharmacists, less overall respect in the country, etc etc)

The trouble is the surplus is happening and is going to continue happening because the major chains have slowed expansion, the economy slowed, and the humber of pharmacy schools that have opened or will open soon is growing faster than a welfare family..... So this again has nothing to do with the current debate about the bill, that as of now still does not exist.




EDIT: I'm NEUTRAL in this case for those who are wondering.

About what? How can you be neutral? There is no bill. There is a House Bill and a Senate Bill. They differ greatly. They have not even decided on how to get the bill to it's final form. They may use Reconciliation and they may not. They may use a Conference Committee. So once the "Congress" (aka the 535 blood sucking *****s that make up our legislative bodies) have a bill we can speak intelligently. Some of the MAJOR things not yet resolved:


  • Public option or totally Private Plan?
  • Health Insurance Exchanges?
  • Sale of insurance across state lines? (very very bad for consumers)
  • Funded by surcharge on people earning over $500,000.00 per year or by taxing "Cadillac" health plans or some other plan?
  • Abortion?
  • Illegal Immigrants?
 
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False again. Excise and Property taxes are not taken by the Federal Government.

First excise taxes are usually (though not always) Federal. Second, your school taxes are first subsidized by the Federal Government and then you can deduct them on your tax return. So in addition to all of my hard money going to ungrateful people like you, if your parents earn a decent income, they get a 20% rebate on their local property taxes. If your parents would just pay for the cost of your primary education, my taxes would be lower. How about all of the retirees or people with kids no longer in school who pay property taxes to support local schools? Your logic is flawed. Flawed, I say. This is an interdependent society. You don't just look at direct benefits. And just in case you are really sure those welfare people have it so good, are you willing to trade places with them? After all you have to struggle to pay all those taxes, why not go on welfare if you think that's so great.....
 
This is confusing enough without you bringing in something that has nothing to do with the current debate. This is about Medicaid reimbursement. That's why it's in The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 which is before Obama even declared his candidacy.

Indeed it adds confusion but I figure instead of starting a new thread, since this is already an active thread dealing with healthcare bills and Washington DC, it was the appropriate place. And I figured an article about Medicaid reimbursement to pharmacy/pharmacists that stems from an Act of Congress/President would be relevant. (and this has nothing to do with either the Obama or Bush administration)

Also, even though the law is called the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005, that was when it was passed and signed into law. Its effect just is starting to take place - which is why the article I posted is recent (Dec 17, 2009) and the cuts will take place, unless Congress intervenes or the Courts intervene.
 
First excise taxes are usually (though not always) Federal. Second, your school taxes are first subsidized by the Federal Government and then you can deduct them on your tax return. So in addition to all of my hard money going to ungrateful people like you, if your parents earn a decent income, they get a 20% rebate on their local property taxes. If your parents would just pay for the cost of your primary education, my taxes would be lower. How about all of the retirees or people with kids no longer in school who pay property taxes to support local schools? Your logic is flawed. Flawed, I say. This is an interdependent society. You don't just look at direct benefits. And just in case you are really sure those welfare people have it so good, are you willing to trade places with them? After all you have to struggle to pay all those taxes, why not go on welfare if you think that's so great.....

First of all, the excise taxes that pay for roads (which was your example) are not federal. Second of all, your hard earned money did not pay for my primary education. I did not avail myself of the opportunity to receive a 'free' publicly provided education.

But we agree. Your hard earned money should not be paying my way.

Third, I never said anything about people on welfare. Not once. So I would thank you to read before accusing me of looking down at people on welfare. Welfare is deeply flawed, but has its place in society. It desperately needs reform. That doesn't mean that people that receive welfare are scum. Some of them are. But so are some well-off people.
 
First of all, the excise taxes that pay for roads (which was your example) are not federal.
Please read this article. Look at the part that says:

Most of the Highway Trust Fund income is derived from motor-fuel taxes, including an 18.4-cent per gallon tax on gasoline and a 24.4-cent per gallon tax on diesel fuel. Other Highway Trust Fund income results from an excise tax on heavy vehicle use, truck tires, and a retail tax on new trucks. These are Federal taxes and individual States tax gasoline and diesel at different rates.

But we agree. Your hard earned money should not be paying my way.
No I don't agree with you. I am not a selfish narcissist. In understand that our society is interdependent. The reason people pay school taxes even though their kids either don't use the schools or are through with the schools is that the quality of the schools goes along way towards making my property valuable. School age families need older folks to pay for schools and good schools make the older folks houses more valuable when they go to sell. We need each other and we all have to contribute to society in order for it to function. I will gladly pay my huge tax bill to Uncle Sam each year as I prefer it to poverty.

Third, I never said anything about people on welfare. Not once. So I would thank you to read before accusing me of looking down at people on welfare. Welfare is deeply flawed, but has its place in society. It desperately needs reform. That doesn't mean that people that receive welfare are scum. Some of them are. But so are some well-off people.

I didn't say it was you. There were other people on the thread who were dehumanizing people on welfare. I would thank you to read the thread as I did not mention you by name. Notice I said the people. That indicates it was plural. If it was only you, I would have said the person. Though to be more clear I should have said that some say this and some say that.....
 
But we agree. Your hard earned money should not be paying my way.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that this does not come only with universal health care. Right now, if you have any sort of insurance plan, you are paying other people's way. So this BS people have been spouting about not wanting to pay for people's XYZ...you do that already in any group insurance plan. If my coworker takes the air limo to a level 1 center with an MI, I help pay for that. If I have a baby, they help pay for that. It's pooling the money and spreading the risk. the bigger the pool, the less burden for each person, right? Which is why small employers can't offer affordable insurance or if you tried to buy insurance on your own, it costs a fortune.

Basically, unless you're doing your own procedures at home, you're paying for other people. Pay cash at the hospital? Part of that is paying for un- and underinsured people. So even paying cash, you're not getting out of paying something for other people. I'd rather widen the pool, spread the risk and eliminate the very expensive to administer middle man (insurance).

I watched the formulary recontracting process at a nonprofit insurer. What a PITA. Wouldn't it be great not to have to do that x100000 for every insurer out there? Certainly all that work costs money, which is passed on to the consumer.
 
One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that this does not come only with universal health care. Right now, if you have any sort of insurance plan, you are paying other people's way. So this BS people have been spouting about not wanting to pay for people's XYZ...you do that already in any group insurance plan.

The whole point is that this is an OPTION. There is currently no mandate requiring me (or anyone else) to purchase a group insurance plan. I can choose whether or not I want to purchase an insurance plan. If I choose not to, I am not punished with unconstitutional penalties.
 
The whole point is that this is an OPTION. There is currently no mandate requiring me (or anyone else) to purchase a group insurance plan. I can choose whether or not I want to purchase an insurance plan. If I choose not to, I am not punished with unconstitutional penalties.
So what happens if you choose not to buy an insurance plan and need a kidney transplant?
 
I wish I'd known before I turned all my stuff in that you'd write me an LOR WVU, LOL! Thats a lot of acronyms!
 
mass. election is today. the outcome basically determines the passage of the health care bill and significantly influences the future of the pharmacy profession.
 
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