I believe one of my first posts when I came here asked about the Capella Experience for mental health; specifically as a route for an individual that wants to receive their Doctorate in Clinical Psychology. After about a year and a half and preparing for my internship, I wanted to give a first hand experience of Capella University.
The Good
The good of Capella University is the format surprisingly of learning theory. I am a self learner, and I learn fast and on my own scale. The program is flexible for me to keep up with my commitments and help my family out when needed while learning Clinical Psychology theory. The experience also allowed me to improve my verbal and linguistic abilities in forms of written and oral communication. That's always a plus. Depending on the institution the individual has gone to for their undergraduate program, Capella University can be easier or more challenging. I think personally it is a bit easier for me. I guess the point is, as far as learning theory, it performs the task pretty well (for clinical psychology).
Some of the professors are pretty darn established in the psychological industry and that surprised me. I expected run of the mill psychologists that couldn't do any better. But in fact, three professors that come to my mind, have very VERY long and successful research careers. I think those professors should be a proverbial treasure trove to students. And in many ways, they are.
The Bad
There is bad for Capella University. I think it starts with the way students receive "hands on" instruction; specifically in the colloquium. The colloquium is ideally a place that allows learners to meet, greet, as well as learn proper ways to provide therapy, assessment, or dialog on ethics over a week. Previously, students were grouped in three levels, with level I students receiving a week of instruction catered to psychotherapy in a wide range of situations amongst themselves (never at a hospital which I wish it was). Level II students are exposed to psychological testing conditions and understanding how three courses (Inferential Statistics, Psychological Testing, and Test and Measures) are applicable to psychology, while upholding proper APA ethical protocol. Finally, the Level III students focused extremely deeply on Ethics, our own individual biases, how they impact therapy, and methods of keeping bias out. Currently, Capella is introducing a new method of performing this method by combining the levels of instruction over a week. So for instance, level I students receive psychological testing, psychotherapy application, and ethics application. This occurs 3x for a Master's Level student, I am not too sure about the doctoral level learners. But I do know there is a year "practica" that hones in on skills learned.
It doesn't sound too bad, but it actually is. The bad is the pricing. Almost $1500 for the training, and then $1400-1600 for travel and hotel expenses (yeah you're suggested to remain at the Hyatt Hotel for Capella). And while you meet, greet, interact, form close bonds (beginning to sound like summer camp, sorta is like that), for the price, I expected a lot more. It's strange to ask where the $3000+ is going, and of course the other insane fees as well. It wouldn't be so bad if I saw it going somewhere, and to be honest, I don't. Sure, it is a hands on experience and amongst ourselves, we do learn how to apply theory to application. But it can be far improved.
I suggested to the Head of the HASOP at one point, if the enrollment across the country is so well and there are at least 10 students in the major cluster areas, why can't students and professors of the area meet once a month to discuss research goals or anything similar to Fielding University? While he mentioned it was a good idea, there has been very little communication in terms of more meeting opportunities necessary to prepare students for clinical rotation. Now it could be fair that perhaps I am looking at this from a perspective of someone that wants to eventually become a doctor, but at the same time, for many states, the Master's degree is the terminal degree. The students should be prepared. And to be frank, 3 colloquium plus a 600 hour internship does not cut it. Surprisingly, PhD students of Psychology have similar complaints. And yet, if those were the only complaints, that's fine, but it gets worse.
The ugly
The ugly can be described in two ways: the first being internship and the second being doctoral program, the "goal" of the program. As far as internship goes, at the Master's level, it is required that a doctoral level Clinical Psychologist supervise a student 2 hours each week. That's fine, it is relatively unwritten rule. The problem is that for the Master's Level, some localities only have a Master level Clinician. Of course Capella University notes that a student can be supervised by a Master level clinician, the problem is Capella still requires that 2 hours a week are given to a clinical doctorate. So, if a student doesn't have that, Capella has openly suggested to PAY a clinician to supervise or give a POV on your progress. So, a clinical psychologist who has his/her doctorate, is supposed to know your mistakes, and help you correct them, and you pay them to do that. SERIOUSLY!? The intern experience has the clinicians jumping through hoops (and lots of "new" changes to policy not conveyed to the student) making a supervisor really not want to deal with Capella - at either Master's or Doctoral level. And these are the supervisors that assume that the merit of applicants are based on knowledge and experience, not where you go. Just think about how others will view it.
Recall that the goal of the Master's program goal is preparation of a clinical doctoral program; whether PhD or PsyD program (this is how it was conveyed to me). Assume you want to enter a PhD program, the student should have an established thesis of some sort. How is that established when there isn't much "face" time or interaction with professionals within the industry? The professors at Capella has a lot of research experience and some are willing to actually assist and take on graduate learners to help with their research (surprisingly!). However, Capella disagreed. So, it's really difficult to submit a rousing CV for a B&M PhD program without that research experience (unless you're actively working in a lab already). I am pretty sure that perhaps the university is preparing students for a PsyD; which is fine. But even in lieu of that, why not convey that to the students? Why isn't there any more meeting opportunities? I said openly at one point that I am not sincerely sure that I am prepared for either path because of the Capella experience.
Often, when I went to the colloquium, several administrators have stated that Capella is going for APA accreditation this year. Then the next year, and the next year. Primarily, I don't think Capella will receive accreditation just because of how the field is going. A lot needs to be done in both schools of psychology in order for Capella to even stand a chance at creating competent psychologists that B&M schools require. In many ways, Capella provides a romantic ideal for someone completing their master's, completing their doctorate and rising above several adversities. And yes, that is a good message, but it is ignorant of the changes to psychology.
Capella is a strange mixed bag of tea for a variety of different reasons. I think for learning theory, it provides a good alternative for individuals transitioning into psychology or went to other institutions. But, it doesn't prepare students and it does leave a sour taste in the mouths of supervisors that say why not. Within Chicago, there are a few that have told me the garish experience from doctoral students and master's students at Capella University. From the time I've been a student to now, my experience has changed. I can't with full faith, recommend Capella University because of the practice, face time, lacking research, and financial constraints to a Clinical Masters or a clinical Doctorate.
The reason why I posted this is because of Cara Susanna and I think its a good idea to have an updated experience. IMHO, if I had a big blue box that was bigger on the inside than outside, I would stop myself from attending Capella. But you live and you learn I guess.
Further reading on the subject
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=338218
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=541688
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=444593
Questions? No? Well Therapist4Change has some great questions to consider when Capella Students, or other distant model students, come and give their POV on things. The questions listed I will answer from my perspective but generally, I can answer the question based on my experiences.
1. I don't think there is a research lab heavy component. I think that the freedom with the PsyD model negates the "heavy" research component. In the grad level, we do take research methods in which we are given the opportunity to place ourselves in the position of a doctoral learner via the Methodological Review Form (MRF) that outlines what would appear to be the thesis. Not quite sure on the dissertation, but I assure more details are provided by the dissertation advisor the student is assigned
2. Practica is a strange situation. We choose the site and I guess that is called the freedom of the distanced model. But a main problem that I have found is that (especially in my state) Capella seemingly changes a lot of standards when there is no psychologist on staff (which is common in some geographical locations). I assume that if
a) you have a psychologist
b) (for clinical psych) you're in a mental health setting (hospital, community mental health), it is okay with Capella.
3. It's not. Plain and simple.
4. Ironically, the same requirements for every school. I believe 1750 hours of direct supervision over a year of time
5. All the above. But qualitative, given the model, is far easier. I know some students that really live on the crit lit review and not forward any quantitative research. I can't speak for many, but funding is a huge issue for quantitative research that surprisingly Walden and other schools provide that give students more preparation for quantiative research. But I have no experience with other distance models...
6. This is the ironic part. Capella structures their program on a part time basis and part time work or full time work part time school. Personally I doubt that many students adhere to 60 hours a week. I know I can say (for instance) if I have 2 courses per 10 weeks, I do devote 60 hours of study time and beyond. But I don't have a job so I can devote that time to it and learning to further the skills Capella doesn't provide (and it's quite a bit)
7. That I can provide a lot of information on. During the week, from about saturday to wednesday night, the old format had us exposed to learning various skills. I guess, it would be comparable to a vocational training of just pumping information in our head about a specific skill. However, the new format stresses on learning three skills
psychotherapy
testing
ethics
spread throughout the week versus having psychotherapy for 5 days (for instance) from 8-5PM.
Afterward, there is a supplemental session for students to take (not required but apparently helps). I went to a few and they can help but in some ways not so much depending on area.
I still think that in clinical psychology, Capella may not be the model preferred if the goal is to submit quantitative research. I also question the competency of the model as well. But that's just me. And to the mafia hey students have opinions
The Good
The good of Capella University is the format surprisingly of learning theory. I am a self learner, and I learn fast and on my own scale. The program is flexible for me to keep up with my commitments and help my family out when needed while learning Clinical Psychology theory. The experience also allowed me to improve my verbal and linguistic abilities in forms of written and oral communication. That's always a plus. Depending on the institution the individual has gone to for their undergraduate program, Capella University can be easier or more challenging. I think personally it is a bit easier for me. I guess the point is, as far as learning theory, it performs the task pretty well (for clinical psychology).
Some of the professors are pretty darn established in the psychological industry and that surprised me. I expected run of the mill psychologists that couldn't do any better. But in fact, three professors that come to my mind, have very VERY long and successful research careers. I think those professors should be a proverbial treasure trove to students. And in many ways, they are.
The Bad
There is bad for Capella University. I think it starts with the way students receive "hands on" instruction; specifically in the colloquium. The colloquium is ideally a place that allows learners to meet, greet, as well as learn proper ways to provide therapy, assessment, or dialog on ethics over a week. Previously, students were grouped in three levels, with level I students receiving a week of instruction catered to psychotherapy in a wide range of situations amongst themselves (never at a hospital which I wish it was). Level II students are exposed to psychological testing conditions and understanding how three courses (Inferential Statistics, Psychological Testing, and Test and Measures) are applicable to psychology, while upholding proper APA ethical protocol. Finally, the Level III students focused extremely deeply on Ethics, our own individual biases, how they impact therapy, and methods of keeping bias out. Currently, Capella is introducing a new method of performing this method by combining the levels of instruction over a week. So for instance, level I students receive psychological testing, psychotherapy application, and ethics application. This occurs 3x for a Master's Level student, I am not too sure about the doctoral level learners. But I do know there is a year "practica" that hones in on skills learned.
It doesn't sound too bad, but it actually is. The bad is the pricing. Almost $1500 for the training, and then $1400-1600 for travel and hotel expenses (yeah you're suggested to remain at the Hyatt Hotel for Capella). And while you meet, greet, interact, form close bonds (beginning to sound like summer camp, sorta is like that), for the price, I expected a lot more. It's strange to ask where the $3000+ is going, and of course the other insane fees as well. It wouldn't be so bad if I saw it going somewhere, and to be honest, I don't. Sure, it is a hands on experience and amongst ourselves, we do learn how to apply theory to application. But it can be far improved.
I suggested to the Head of the HASOP at one point, if the enrollment across the country is so well and there are at least 10 students in the major cluster areas, why can't students and professors of the area meet once a month to discuss research goals or anything similar to Fielding University? While he mentioned it was a good idea, there has been very little communication in terms of more meeting opportunities necessary to prepare students for clinical rotation. Now it could be fair that perhaps I am looking at this from a perspective of someone that wants to eventually become a doctor, but at the same time, for many states, the Master's degree is the terminal degree. The students should be prepared. And to be frank, 3 colloquium plus a 600 hour internship does not cut it. Surprisingly, PhD students of Psychology have similar complaints. And yet, if those were the only complaints, that's fine, but it gets worse.
The ugly
The ugly can be described in two ways: the first being internship and the second being doctoral program, the "goal" of the program. As far as internship goes, at the Master's level, it is required that a doctoral level Clinical Psychologist supervise a student 2 hours each week. That's fine, it is relatively unwritten rule. The problem is that for the Master's Level, some localities only have a Master level Clinician. Of course Capella University notes that a student can be supervised by a Master level clinician, the problem is Capella still requires that 2 hours a week are given to a clinical doctorate. So, if a student doesn't have that, Capella has openly suggested to PAY a clinician to supervise or give a POV on your progress. So, a clinical psychologist who has his/her doctorate, is supposed to know your mistakes, and help you correct them, and you pay them to do that. SERIOUSLY!? The intern experience has the clinicians jumping through hoops (and lots of "new" changes to policy not conveyed to the student) making a supervisor really not want to deal with Capella - at either Master's or Doctoral level. And these are the supervisors that assume that the merit of applicants are based on knowledge and experience, not where you go. Just think about how others will view it.
Recall that the goal of the Master's program goal is preparation of a clinical doctoral program; whether PhD or PsyD program (this is how it was conveyed to me). Assume you want to enter a PhD program, the student should have an established thesis of some sort. How is that established when there isn't much "face" time or interaction with professionals within the industry? The professors at Capella has a lot of research experience and some are willing to actually assist and take on graduate learners to help with their research (surprisingly!). However, Capella disagreed. So, it's really difficult to submit a rousing CV for a B&M PhD program without that research experience (unless you're actively working in a lab already). I am pretty sure that perhaps the university is preparing students for a PsyD; which is fine. But even in lieu of that, why not convey that to the students? Why isn't there any more meeting opportunities? I said openly at one point that I am not sincerely sure that I am prepared for either path because of the Capella experience.
Often, when I went to the colloquium, several administrators have stated that Capella is going for APA accreditation this year. Then the next year, and the next year. Primarily, I don't think Capella will receive accreditation just because of how the field is going. A lot needs to be done in both schools of psychology in order for Capella to even stand a chance at creating competent psychologists that B&M schools require. In many ways, Capella provides a romantic ideal for someone completing their master's, completing their doctorate and rising above several adversities. And yes, that is a good message, but it is ignorant of the changes to psychology.
Capella is a strange mixed bag of tea for a variety of different reasons. I think for learning theory, it provides a good alternative for individuals transitioning into psychology or went to other institutions. But, it doesn't prepare students and it does leave a sour taste in the mouths of supervisors that say why not. Within Chicago, there are a few that have told me the garish experience from doctoral students and master's students at Capella University. From the time I've been a student to now, my experience has changed. I can't with full faith, recommend Capella University because of the practice, face time, lacking research, and financial constraints to a Clinical Masters or a clinical Doctorate.
The reason why I posted this is because of Cara Susanna and I think its a good idea to have an updated experience. IMHO, if I had a big blue box that was bigger on the inside than outside, I would stop myself from attending Capella. But you live and you learn I guess.
Further reading on the subject
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=338218
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=541688
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=444593
Questions? No? Well Therapist4Change has some great questions to consider when Capella Students, or other distant model students, come and give their POV on things. The questions listed I will answer from my perspective but generally, I can answer the question based on my experiences.
To make it easier, I'll keep a running list so we can just quote it for future reference:
1. How much time are Capella students expected to spend in a research lab throughout their time?
2. How are practica sites evaluated by the school to make sure they provide appropriate and quality training?
3. How is the amount of face-to-face training equivalent to that in traditional programs?
4. What are the clinical psychology doctoral program requirements for hours of direct patient contact and supervision?
5. What are the research requirements? Thesis? Dissertation? Qualitative/Quantitative/Etc?
6. Is the expectation that everyone enrolled is not working outside the program and devoting 60 hours/week to their studies consistently for 5-6 years? If not, what are the time requirements, and how do they impact the length of training for the program?
7. What does a 'Residency Week' look like for a typical session? What kind of material is covered? How are students evaluated? How much time is spent in training during the week?
8. Where are former graduates working? Research? Hospitals? Private practice? Other?
1. I don't think there is a research lab heavy component. I think that the freedom with the PsyD model negates the "heavy" research component. In the grad level, we do take research methods in which we are given the opportunity to place ourselves in the position of a doctoral learner via the Methodological Review Form (MRF) that outlines what would appear to be the thesis. Not quite sure on the dissertation, but I assure more details are provided by the dissertation advisor the student is assigned
2. Practica is a strange situation. We choose the site and I guess that is called the freedom of the distanced model. But a main problem that I have found is that (especially in my state) Capella seemingly changes a lot of standards when there is no psychologist on staff (which is common in some geographical locations). I assume that if
a) you have a psychologist
b) (for clinical psych) you're in a mental health setting (hospital, community mental health), it is okay with Capella.
3. It's not. Plain and simple.
4. Ironically, the same requirements for every school. I believe 1750 hours of direct supervision over a year of time
5. All the above. But qualitative, given the model, is far easier. I know some students that really live on the crit lit review and not forward any quantitative research. I can't speak for many, but funding is a huge issue for quantitative research that surprisingly Walden and other schools provide that give students more preparation for quantiative research. But I have no experience with other distance models...
6. This is the ironic part. Capella structures their program on a part time basis and part time work or full time work part time school. Personally I doubt that many students adhere to 60 hours a week. I know I can say (for instance) if I have 2 courses per 10 weeks, I do devote 60 hours of study time and beyond. But I don't have a job so I can devote that time to it and learning to further the skills Capella doesn't provide (and it's quite a bit)
7. That I can provide a lot of information on. During the week, from about saturday to wednesday night, the old format had us exposed to learning various skills. I guess, it would be comparable to a vocational training of just pumping information in our head about a specific skill. However, the new format stresses on learning three skills
psychotherapy
testing
ethics
spread throughout the week versus having psychotherapy for 5 days (for instance) from 8-5PM.
Afterward, there is a supplemental session for students to take (not required but apparently helps). I went to a few and they can help but in some ways not so much depending on area.
I still think that in clinical psychology, Capella may not be the model preferred if the goal is to submit quantitative research. I also question the competency of the model as well. But that's just me. And to the mafia hey students have opinions
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