The craiglist killer is a med student!

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nah, not really, i mean, I got into a lot of better schools, but I am more amused that they'd let in people arrested for threatening murder but instantly reject people with high stats... maybe it's a question of fit 🙄

So true.

I think the rejections this year were issued by the bank when the checks cleared.

 

[xlithiumx]

You're right, I should have read every post on this board before posting anything.

Burnett's Law is the fundamental theorem of all things SDN-related. It is the first and last commandment. It is named after the founder of SDN, Lee Burnett.

Well-behaved noobs learn about the board before they claim original observations with such grandiosity. Post count =/= credibility. Like I said, lurk moar. Then you can write about what you learned in your AMCAS essay.
Now burn with shame.

 

[NotAndrew]

Burnett's Law is the fundamental theorem of all things SDN-related. It is the first and last commandment. It is named after the founder of SDN, Lee Burnett.

You could have just said this, but you had to go and be rude. Out of protest I am going to leave it in my signature and make reference to the law's proper name NotAndrew's law whenever possible.

 

[SDN2013]

Burnett's Law is the fundamental theorem of all things SDN-related. It is the first and last commandment. It is named after the founder of SDN, Lee Burnett.

Well-behaved noobs learn about the board before they claim original observations with such grandiosity. Post count =/= credibility. Like I said, lurk moar. Then you can write about what you learned in your AMCAS essay.
Now burn with shame.

First, I don't think what the other guy wrote was at all grandiose.

Second, I do agree that post count does not give credibility, but neither does join date. Like you said "lurk moar", for all you know, the guy could have been lurking since 2003.

 

[majahops]

haha i like it haha

You could have just said this, but you had to go and be rude. Out of protest I am going to leave it in my signature and make reference to the law's proper name NotAndrew's law whenever possible.

 

[xlithiumx]

You could have just said this, but you had to go and be rude. Out of protest I am going to leave it in my signature and make reference to the law's proper name NotAndrew's law whenever possible.

You're so cute with your Jack Bauer avatar. Go spew that nonsense in the Lounge and see how far it gets you.

First, I don't think what the other guy wrote was at all grandiose.

Second, I do agree that post count does not give credibility, but neither does join date. Like you said "lurk moar", for all you know, the guy could have been lurking since 2003.

If that guy was lurking since 2003, he'd know Burnett's Law. Get real.

Pre-allo is so full of nonsense. Haven't been here in like 5 years, shoulda stayed away.

 

[majahops]

I agree with you. 👍

I'm not saying he didn't know they were hookers, my point is that he was hiring them b/c they usually have large quantities of cash so he could rob them. Maybe he was also having sex with them, who knows, but that wasn't reported in the accounts of the previous crimes. I don't think he was just hooking up with a lot of hookers and paying for it, maybe he would refuse to pay or would rob them, but there's no evidence to suggest that.

 

[NotAndrew]

You're so cute with your Jack Bauer avatar. Go spew that nonsense in the Lounge and see how far it gets you.

Really bro? Avatar and sub-forum smack?

 

[akajackbauer]

you guys are so naive..." he went to masseuse who both advertised their services on Craigslist." no one gets a legit massage in a hotel room. and the "services" were advertised on craiglist. of course this dude is a sex addict...and a week before, he assaulted a stripper.

basic story: he didnt get his "services" from the rhode island stripper the week before, so he got really angry and took it out on the "masseuse" the following week...he found out the masseuse was not offering sex and killed her.

case closed.

didnt they have this kind of story about craigslist on dateline with chris hansen?

 

[xlithiumx]

Really bro? Avatar and sub-forum smack?

Yes "bro." Do I need to worry that Jack is gonna come get me? Seriously, learn to notsuck.

You need to make a new law about getting **** on for being a foolish noob who is given to claims.

EDIT (adding): Hitting the hay now. Sweet dreams of med school some day. You can do it!

EDIT2 (adding): I almost forgot. "ZOMG, wut are my chances. I got 22 on the MCAT, but I was sick that day."

 

[nick_carraway]

Haven't been here in like 5 years, shoulda stayed away.

I agree with you. After your post worshipping Lee Burnett and his fundamental theorem, I think it'd do you some good to take a [longer] break.

 

[SDN2013]

If that guy was lurking since 2003, he'd know Burnett's Law. Get real.

Pre-allo is so full of nonsense. Haven't been here in like 5 years, shoulda stayed away.

lol. So you actually do believe early join date implies credibility? What about people with second accounts? Does LizzyM have less credibility than you do? Drizzt joined in 2006, but he might be on an adcom this year, does he have less credibility than you do?

 

[madamebovary]

i guess he was trying to pay off his large med school loans

 

[zenlike]

I agree with you. After your post worshipping Lee Burnett and his fundamental theorem, I think it'd do you some good to take a [longer] break.

I don't think Burnett actually came up with Burnett's law. Someone, much like NotAndrew, noticed it as an SDN corollary to Godwin's Law, and simply attributed it to him because of his being the creator of this site.

 

[xlithiumx]

I don't think Burnett actually came up with Burnett's law. Someone, much like NotAndrew, noticed it as an SDN corollary to Godwin's Law, and simply attributed it to him because of his being the creator of this site.

Right, I think it's unclear who first observed Burnett's Law, but it was not Burnett himself, AFAIK.

 

[NotAndrew]

Was that guy really giving me crap for only posting in the pre-med forums? Or for having a TV character in my avatar?

 

[Demas567]

Hey guys,
He's not a premed. He's a second year at Boston University School of Medicine. That's a picture of him from his White Coat Ceremony in 2007.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...09/04/21/bu_student_charged_in_hotel_killing/

 

[BJPENNSTATE]

yeah..he's a LITTLE too happy to get the white coat...seems like he's going into medicine only for the money with that expression...and yeah..mugging 3 hookers and robbing them too

 

[NotAndrew]

hahaha I think it's hilarious notandrew changed his avatar now.

on topic does that picture look a little creepy to anyone? Someone about the way he's smliing..

I had the Bauer one for a while. Plus the Eagle screams America, Liberty, Justice, Patriotism, Democracy and Freedom, in other words everything that is good in this world.

 

[spyderefs]

Hey guys,
He's not a premed. He's a second year at Boston University School of Medicine.

o rly

 

[phospho]

haha, i like how MSNBC changed it from "medical" to "graduate" (though they still mention the medical school). But I thought it was nice of them. He doesn't exactly give the profession a good name 😀

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30314735

Markoff, a Boston University graduate student, was arrested by Boston police after he was stopped south of Boston on Interstate 95 in Walpole, Police Commissioner Ed Davis said at a news conference.

 

[stixx]

... maybe it's a question of fit 🙄

and before I had assumed they were merely throwing darts to determine their class. It appears they may actually be selecting for the weirdos.

 

[LiveUninhibited]

So apparently being a professional assassin is a plus for BU...

Preference will be given to sociopaths…

just because he isn't convicted of a crime doesn't he can't be kicked out or should be allowed around patients... although they're probably safe since they aren't strippers.

Reasonable would be to defer his medical education until the trial is over. Guilty = game over, not guilty = continue. Hopefully justice is swift either way.

Or in more conventional terms, she was a *****. Still, RIP. This has law and order episode written all over it.

Her being a ***** means her life was worth less? I bet the killer thought that. While there might be a negative correlation between whoredom and positive contribution to society, I wouldn’t make assumptions about the person based upon doing something that doesn’t hurt anybody. Can’t say the same for the murderer.

So being arrested for threatening to murder your girlfriend doesn't get you screened out at BU, but having high stats does?

Background checks won't pick it up unless he was convicted of a misdemeanor or felony. Often, judges use their discretion to try to avoid ruining the life of somebody they believe has the potential to become a productive citizen. While I'd guess this avoids more criminality than it enables, that's not how it worked out in this atypical case.

You're so cute with your Jack Bauer avatar. Go spew that nonsense in the Lounge and see how far it gets you.

If that guy was lurking since 2003, he'd know Burnett's Law. Get real.

Pre-allo is so full of nonsense. Haven't been here in like 5 years, shoulda stayed away.

Please do.

 

[Stixman28]

Was that guy really giving me crap for only posting in the pre-med forums? Or for having a TV character in my avatar?

This matter has clearly been settled by this link from above. Notandrew's law may make no reference to Nazis, but in its raw form, this is the exact same law, a general law of internet forums.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law

Although in one of its early forms Godwin's Law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[5] the law is now applied to any threaded online discussion: electronic mailing lists, message boards, chat rooms, and more recently blog comment threads and wiki talk pages.

In its first form it was described in 1990.

There, everyone loses.

 

[drizzt3117]

Background checks won't pick it up unless he was convicted of a misdemeanor or felony. Often, judges use their discretion to try to avoid ruining the life of somebody they believe has the potential to become a productive citizen. While I'd guess this avoids more criminality than it enables, that's not how it worked out in this atypical case.

Right, but this type of stuff usually finds its way into the news media, you'd think it'd appear on the radar screen, especially something like "Israeli-trained ex-assassin arrested for threatening to kill girlfriend" and Dartmouth isn't too far from Boston...

 

[armybound]

Please keep bickering to a minimum. Do not insult or harrass one another.

So sayeth the moderator.

 

[Bacchus]

Lets try to stay on topic.

 

[mrcmedman]

I'm not saying he didn't know they were hookers, my point is that he was hiring them b/c they usually have large quantities of cash so he could rob them. Maybe he was also having sex with them, who knows, but that wasn't reported in the accounts of the previous crimes. I don't think he was just hooking up with a lot of hookers and paying for it, maybe he would refuse to pay or would rob them, but there's no evidence to suggest that.

It's gotta be that obscene BUSM cost of attendance (+$70k per year) that drove him to do this.

 

[Stixman28]

Back to the sociopath discussion. I think many are manipulative and also quite charming as disputed before.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7387628&page=1

the neighbors on this video say he never even spoke about himself, just asked questions to make conversation.

everyone loves being asked about themselves.

 

[drizzt3117]

Apparently, he had gambling debts, and IP addresses linked his blackberry to those specific craigslist postings...

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7387628&page=1

 

[nick_carraway]

From CNN:

His fiancée, in an e-mail aired on ABC's "Good Morning America," said Markoff "is the wrong man" and "was set up."

"Unfortunately, you were given wrong information as was the public. All I have to say to you is Philip is a beautiful person inside and out and could not hurt a fly!" according to an e-mail from Megan McAllister. She said police officers in Boston are "trying to make big bucks by selling this false story to the TV stations. What else is new?"

In her e-mail message, the fiancée said, "Philip is an intelligent man who is just trying to live his life, so if you could leave us alone we would greatly appreciate it. We expect to marry in August and share a wonderful, meaningful life together."

Aww. That's sweet. Methinks someone's been drinking the punch.

 

[DukeMurken]

This news actually has me really disturbed. It is so scary to think that you can't tell when someone might be a dangerous criminal underneath it all. What if one of my classmates ends up being some sort of serial killer and attacks me for getting a better grade?!?!? Scary thought. I mean, he seemed like the shining star of his undergrad too, based off of that website where he was giving talks to other pre-meds on how to do their application. Well, I hope he isn't guilty, but either way, what a horrible situation for everyone involved, him, the bride, but also the friends and families, particularly of the victim, but also of the bride, the suspect, and even people at BU Med. I wish the best for everyone involved and hope everything gets worked out for the better.

The situation reminds me a bit of the Lisa Novak case, and I remember when people started questioning NASA's ability to screen people. I wonder if the same will happen to med schools. Though personally, I think we should lay off BU's ability to screen people. I mean, as a group, we thought Batman was the most deserving candidate to be admitted into medical school. We, ourselves, picked a sociopath that dresses up at night as a flying rat to go out and kill and beat people, while being perfectly charming during the day ;-).

 

[drizzt3117]

This news actually has me really disturbed. It is so scary to think that you can't tell when someone might be a dangerous criminal underneath it all. What if one of my classmates ends up being some sort of serial killer and attacks me for getting a better grade?!?!? Scary thought. I mean, he seemed like the shining star of his undergrad too, based off of that website where he was giving talks to other pre-meds on how to do their application. Well, I hope he isn't guilty, but either way, what a horrible situation for everyone involved, including the families, particularly of the victim, but also of the bride, and his family, and even everyone at BU Med. I wish the best for everyone involved.

You would have probably been fine unless you carried a lot of cash.

The situation reminds me a bit of the Lisa Novak case, and I remember when people started questioning NASA's ability to screen people. I wonder if the same will happen to med schools. Though personally, I think we should lay off BU's ability to screen people. I mean, as a group, we thought Batman was the most deserving candidate to be admitted into medical school. We, ourselves, picked a sociopath that dresses up at night as a flying rat to go out and kill and beat people, while being perfectly charming during the day ;-).

speak for yourself, I voted for Zelda.

 

[dragonfly99]

It sounds like he is probably a sociopath.
He was apparently robbing people for money, and this girl was unlucky enough to have decided to resist. They apparently got him on camera leaving the hotel lobby, and they have his IP address of his Blackberry, so I think the evidence is pretty strong.

This case shows why background checks are getting more and more strict for med students, residents and for medical licenses.

 

[del taco]

It sounds like he is probably a sociopath.
He was apparently robbing people for money, and this girl was unlucky enough to have decided to resist. They apparently got him on camera leaving the hotel lobby, and they have his IP address of his Blackberry, so I think the evidence is pretty strong.

This case shows why background checks are getting more and more strict for med students, residents and for medical licenses.

A background check would not have picked up anything on this guy. He was a 22 yo trad med student with no prior record. While i'm not arguing the fact that bground checks are needed, the average age of matriculation in med school is what 24. Most people have not picked up any criminal records at that point, particularly ambitous types that the professional schools happen to attract. Most of these people will pick up these types of things on their record as they go on in life.

 

[Kaustikos]

So patrick bateman decided to try medicine? Good for him!

 

[dw2158]

is anyone else bummed that their wedding website isn't working now?

 

[bkz]

can't believe people are suggesting he robbed these women to pay off med school debts, or even gambling debts as the article this morning says. Seriously? He lived in a high rise condo in Quincy, met these women at luxury hotels, didn't seem too strapped for cash. The article last night said he only got $800 total from 3 robberies...Regardless of personal financial situation it makes little sense to expect whoever was crazy enough to do this to have a rational reason.

I really want to know what the defense is! Between ip addresses and matching restraints it sounds like the prosecution has strong evidence...on the website that was up last night defenders were blaming an 'overly aggressive police force'

Maybe I'm missing something but wouldn't the cops need to have really strong evidence in order to take a suspect into custody with such a flawless background? I feel bad for speculating about this so much, but it doesn't look like he's going to be acquitted without a miracle.

 

[JDOC13]

well, this will sound cruel but... a new available spot has just become available for some lucky premed on the waitlist.

Nope -- innocent until proven guilty.

Actually, not necessarily. The Duke lacrosse players were kicked out of school even though they were never proven guilty.

 

[bcat85]

Maybe he even ate a poop hot dog.

A classic thread

 

[235750]

Maybe he was trying to be like Hannibal Lecter.

That's right, he was a Dr. you know

 

[Stixman28]

is anyone else bummed that their wedding website isn't working now?

Google Cache!!

But the link that was posted in here earlier, I dont think that was the right wedding...

which are you using?

 

[MegaProjectile]

I doubt this story would have had the same impact save for the fact that perpetrator/accused is a medical student. If this were some engineering or lawyer student, the local papers may have only covered it.

Despite the dwindling salaries, it would seem the societal respect garnered by the medical profession still remains strong.I mean judging from the initial media reaction they don't seem to be calling for his head like they did for Scott Peterson's.
Sociopaths are a-dime-a-dozen but the guy doesn't seem to "fit" the profile according to media's interpretation. Which sociopath does?

 

[fizzle]

I doubt this story would have had the same impact save for the fact that perpetrator/accused is a medical student. If this were some engineering or lawyer student, the local papers may have only covered it.

Despite the dwindling salaries, it would seem the societal respect garnered by the medical profession still remains strong.I mean judging from the initial media reaction they don't seem to be calling for his head like they did for Scott Peterson's.
Sociopaths are a-dime-a-dozen but the guy doesn't seem to "fit" the profile according to media's interpretation. Which sociopath does?

The story was already big news even before anyone was arrested because the police released security camera images of the supposed criminal before he was identified. The fact that he was a medical student was simply icing on the cake, not the reason itself.

 

[dragonfly99]

This story is big because it has everything...
murder, sexual overtones, a beautiful young victim, and an interesting perpetrator (i.e. not your usual criminal type it seems).
Sad for this young lady and her family.

 

[drizzt3117]

nah, not really, i mean, I got into a lot of better schools, but I am more amused that they'd let in people arrested for threatening murder but instantly reject people with high stats... maybe it's a question of fit 🙄

BTW, my buddy last cycle had an interviewer at BU tell him straight up that he would have gotten the pre-interview axe if his MCAT were one point higher... clearly domestic violence > high MCAT, at least for BU.

 

[0Complications]

BTW, my buddy last cycle had an interviewer at BU tell him straight up that he would have gotten the pre-interview axe if his MCAT were one point higher... clearly domestic violence > high MCAT, at least for BU.

😱

What!? That is ******ed... Wouldn't the school want to bolster their stats by accepting people with higher MCAT scores?

Sure, not as many will end up going, but it is counterintuitive to reject them based solely on a high MCAT.

By the way, what was his score?

 

[drizzt3117]

😱

What!? That is ******ed... Wouldn't the school want to bolster their stats by accepting people with higher MCAT scores?

Sure, not as many will end up going, but it is counterintuitive to reject them based solely on a high MCAT.

By the way, what was his score?

his stats were 3.85/33

 

[dw2158]

Google Cache!!

But the link that was posted in here earlier, I dont think that was the right wedding...

which are you using?

i used whatever link was posted earlier.

and... forgive me for this... what is google cache? 😳

 

[stixx]

😱

What!? That is ******ed... Wouldn't the school want to bolster their stats by accepting people with higher MCAT scores?

Sure, not as many will end up going, but it is counterintuitive to reject them based solely on a high MCAT.

By the way, what was his score?

Yeah any school with a cost of attendance that high is going to have a high acceptances-matriculations rate. BUSM just seems really insecure about it for some reason.

Here's the screenshots of the wedding site: http://gawker.com/5220731/accused-craigslist-killers-prosaic-facade?skyline=true&s=i