**** The Official Penn Class of 2017 Interview/Acceptance Thread ***

Interviewed 2/28. Got alternate list notification via USPS today. =\

Anyone else from 2/28 hear back?

I really like Penn and have always wanted to go to the school, so I'm still hopeful...but I'm not sure what my chances are at this point.
 
Interviewed 2/28. Got alternate list notification via USPS today. =\

Anyone else from 2/28 hear back?

I really like Penn and have always wanted to go to the school, so I'm still hopeful...but I'm not sure what my chances are at this point.

I haven't :-/

congrats though! Like it's been said before..they are very selective about who is on the waitlist and they have taken up to 10 people off of it before. At least you've heard back and know your status now! I'm assuming rejection if I haven't heard anything at this point
 
Found out I was waitlisted today too -_-

Seems like a bunch of ppl are on the waitlist! Guess they don't do rejections after interviews?
 
Did either of you get the wait list package via USPS or was it just through calling the school?
 
Called the school and they said it was decided on the third and mailed then
 
nm just received my waitlist letter today. does anyone know if they'll let us know our rank after we submit the form to stay on the waitlist?
 
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I'm also curious about their ranking system and how they decide to pull alternate candidates off their waitlist.
Is it based on WHEN you were placed on the waitlist? dependent on the time at which you were placed on alternate status?
or do they reevaluate all waitlisted applicants (usually 30-40) and then selectively pull 8-10 people off one by one as spots open up?

My rationale is this:

Out of the 2000+ students that apply to Penn, less than 18% of the total pool of applicants are interviewed (360); but only 120 students are eventually enrolled, which is about 6% of the total pool of applicants, or a 33% chance once interviewed.

However, the school will accept more students than the number of seats available, increasing the 33% chance of acceptance to as high as 50%, depending on the dynamics of rejections, acceptance withdrawals, and waitlist interest.

In contrast, if only 40 students are kept active on the waitlist, that theoretically means that the remaining 320 out of the 360 interviewed were given a chance to accept their acceptances; this theoretically holds true.... UNLESS.... some of them were flat out rejected after being interviewed. But at the same time, I highly doubt that 320 students were given acceptances for a class of 120.

In an earlier post, though, it was postulated that about 180 acceptances are given out (not 320). So according to this modified model, out of the remaining 320 students of the interviewed that were NOT waitlisted (360-40=320), 140 of them may have been rejected after their interviews, therefore leaving 180 acceptances. However, no one has mentioned their interview/rejection status on this forum, so I am skeptical that this is a common thing that happens.

So accordingly, if there is no such thing as an interview/rejection, then the waitlist number of 40 came about because the other 140 interview/rejections were actually interview/waitlist candidates that ultimately declined to be placed on active alternate status.

In conclusion, for those of us who have been waitlisted, it is to our benefit to hope that the number of acceptances is in fact 180 instead of 320 (which is probably the case) and that 140+ students declined to be placed on the waitlist. Those on the active waitlist make up the remaining 40 of the 360 interviewed.

If this is the case, we only need 60+ people to withdraw their acceptances instead of 200+, and for 10 applicants to be pulled off the waitlist, 70+ people need to elect to go elsewhere. What are the chances of this happening? possible but unpredictable...

According to the waitlist poll, there are only 12 people that withdrew their acceptances so far. We can guess conservatively that another 20 people may have done this also, but neglected to report it on the poll, or are not a part of this forum. Optimally at this point, at least 30 of the 70+ students we need to go elsewhere have already done so. We are now waiting for 40+ students to make up their minds and notify Penn of their decisions.

I expect that waitlist/acceptances will start to come in this month (april) or next (may). Until then, let's keep positive!
 
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Thought about it some more, and wanted to add that the chance of getting accepted off the waitlist at Penn stands at less than 5% out of the entire pool of Penn applicants. Not getting off the waitlist is like getting to the superbowl, and then losing. Props, but no props. Sweet, and then sour.

Though, the waitlist can be viewed in other ways by considering other factors.

Chances of being placed on waitlist once interviewed:
~50% overall (180 out of 360 interviewees); the other half are accepted. But ultimately, your chances of acceptance depend on interview date, and pre or post December status. Interview sessions in March, for example, tend to accept only a couple of students with as low as 2/12 acceptance ratio, or 15% acceptance chance in your interview group. I believe that pre-December interview sessions output more acceptances, as high as 7/12 ratio, or 60% acceptance chance. (source: Penn student with 7 of his classmates that interviewed on the same date)

Chances of getting in now:
33%+ for the first student to get "unlisted"..... if 60+ students of the 180+ accepted need to decline their offers.
Our chances diminish as other people on the waitlist start getting "unlisted" first; but there is no way to definitively know how the waitlist will move this year, which ultimately depends on how people this year will decide what school to attend. In other words, Penn may be "unpopular" this year, and if this is the case, our chances intuitively improve. Not everyone on the active waitlist will decide to attend Penn, improving our 10/40 ratio, or 25% waitlist/acceptance chance.

Keep in mind that I only wanted to share this with everyone to give them an abstract, but generally realistic way to view their waitlist status. There is no "real math" involved here; all of this was just an expression of my hope, and an attempt at trying to do the impossible task of predicting our destinies! Since everything in life is predictable, but unpredictable, anything can happen, and anything is possible while somehow also being impossible.
 
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Just wanted to add for you guys that I interviewed the last possible interview day in March last year and was waitlisted. I got a call in July saying I was the next person in line and got another call a couple of days later saying I was accepted (although I eventually declined). So I guess they do have some sort of ranked waitlist that isn't based on when you interviewed.
 
Just wanted to add for you guys that I interviewed the last possible interview day in March last year and was waitlisted. I got a call in July saying I was the next person in line and got another call a couple of days later saying I was accepted (although I eventually declined). So I guess they do have some sort of ranked waitlist that isn't based on when you interviewed.
Okay, thanks for clearing that up trinstudent~

So I guess if the ranking is not based on the student's interview date.... then the waitlisters may still possibly be ranked on the basis of the date that they have been "actively placed" on the waitlist, after the submission of the "alternate candidate form" and once it has been processed by the admissions staff.

Obviously, though, this ranking system seems too simple; so I suspect that interview scores will be the final determining factor in receiving an acceptance letter, along with the overall review of the applicant's file.

While the student's file is reviewed by the ADCOMS, your interviewer is supposedly the one that advocates your application if they liked you or opposes against you if they didn't. So following this logic, the interview given to you by a member of the ADCOM weighs more than the interview score given to you by a faculty member; (my faculty interviewer for the closed-file interview actually told me that the ADCOM doesn't really listen to his input.)
 
Okay, thanks for clearing that up trinstudent~

So I guess if the ranking is not based on the student's interview date.... then the waitlisters may still possibly be ranked on the basis of the date that they have been "actively placed" on the waitlist, after the submission of the "alternate candidate form" and once it has been processed by the admissions staff.

I don't know if this is true? There was someone (who isnt on SDN) who interviewed the same day as me but was placed on the wait list about 2 weeks earlier than me. Meanwhile, my status at the time was told to be still under active review for admission. So with that, I don't believe this person may be "ranked higher" based on when they found out about the wait list. The other criteria about the interview seem more valid

Great breakdown though. Hopefully movement starts to occur within a couple of weeks. I'm a bit confused as to the length of the list though. Is it a small percentage of interviewees who are placed on the list or nearly everyone who has interviewed?
 
^ I'm wondering this as well because I think it's already about 7-10 of us on here who are active on the waitlist recently. Haven't heard of anyone who got a rejection post interview yet.
 
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I don't know if this is true? There was someone (who isnt on SDN) who interviewed the same day as me but was placed on the wait list about 2 weeks earlier than me. Meanwhile, my status at the time was told to be still under active review for admission. So with that, I don't believe this person may be "ranked higher" based on when they found out about the wait list. The other criteria about the interview seem more valid

Great breakdown though. Hopefully movement starts to occur within a couple of weeks. I'm a bit confused as to the length of the list though. Is it a small percentage of interviewees who are placed on the list or nearly everyone who has interviewed?

+1... anyone?
 
I called them today and they said no changes.
 
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+1... anyone?
If 180 of the 360 interviewees are immediately accepted and if the other 180 are either waitlisted or rejected, most of us would like to believe that we were selectively placed on alternate status as a special group of 40. However, it makes much more sense that Penn would "double book" us on the waitlist to ensure that their entering class is full.

Accordingly, I suspect that the special group of 40 is representative of those waitlisters that have submitted their forms and have asked to be placed on the "final waitlist." The remaining 140 students were probably placed on the waitlist as well, but ultimately, they might have declined to be placed on active status due to various reasons (ie. acceptances to other first-choice schools, acceptances to their state school, laziness to relocate, reluctance to take on the financial burden of an ivy league education, etc.). Some of these students may have requested initially to be placed on the waitlist and then later after deciding to go elsewhere, they might have asked to be taken off. This would bring the "final waitlist number" down to 40. At the same time, a small number of students may have been outright rejected after poor interview performances, and this would also bring the "final waitlist number" down to 40. Doesn't matter though, cause the bottom line is that plus or minus 40 students eventually end up on the "final waitlist" when it comes time for ADCOMS to conclusively rank their students and decide which ones to accept.

As far as the seemingly random and chaotic way that interviewees have been waitlisted, I suspect that there is a method to this madness. Let's begin to speculate by asking the following question: "If there is, in fact, a systematic way that ADCOMs rank their waitlisters, why are interviewees from later interview groups waitlisted before those from earlier groups and how does this ranking process transpire?"

Possibility 1:
If the waitlist ranking system is simply based on timing and one's "spot in line," then it is possible that ADCOMS will push "higher-priority waitlisters" to the beginning of the line by waitlisting them earlier. Probably not the case, though.

Possibility 2:
If the waitlist ranking system is not based on one's "spot in line," then lower-priority waitlisters were placed earlier on the waiting list because it was a no-brainer decision that they would not accept you right away.

Possibility 3:
Maybe ADCOMs are initially interested in a certain higher-priority interviewee and take longer to decide on him/her, but they ultimately decide to waitlist him/her because a subsequent interviewee had similar stats but did better on the interview. Maybe they only needed one of you to fill their quota if such a criteria exists for them. Maybe ADCOMs were out of the office at the time you were expecting a decision to be made.

Possibility 4:
Maybe interviewees are not evaluated solely on the basis of interview day/week/month; and maybe they are evaluated alphabetically among several interview groups. This could potentially explain why Zoolander who interviewed in Feburary received waitlist notification later than Assman who interviewed in March. If not alphabetically evaluated, other criteria could produce similar results (date application was submitted, etc.). I suspect this possibility to have some validity because our files must be organized in some way that does not necessarily have to be by interview group. In other words, when ADCOMs sit down to evaluate our folders, the way that the pile of folders are organized in front them ultimately determines the timing of our waitlist notificaitons.

Possibilty 5:
Waitlist ranking may also be based on your overall application score (determined by GPA, DAT, extracurriculars, personal statement, work/research experience, legacy status, etc.) and your final interview grade. Ranking may begin before the interview, at the time of the interview, after the interview, or when the waitlist is reviewed; but I'm sure that the ADCOM will try to make the screening process easier and more efficient by reducing the number of steps needed and not having to spend massive amounts of time reviewing, re-reviewing, and then re-reviewing the waitlist again. In other words, there has to be some sort of point system at the time of the interview that gives them a good idea of how the students are going to be ranked; and when re-reviewing the waitlist for the final time, they probably already have some sort of idea on which students are higher-priority than others.

Possibility 6:
Waitlist ranking may also be based unofficially on age, sex, race, and location. Dental schools like to brag about their ethnic diversity, and their ability to attract students from all over the country. Some dental schools will replace female for female, asian for asian, or canadian for canadian. This quota system may not fully apply to Penn though since they are a private institution, but I'm sure they are somewhat conscious of trying to keep it diversified. In other words, they can't have a whole class full of only white males.

Here's some more food for thought:
With regards to the 40 students that have been placed on active alternate status, fast waitlist movement implies a situation where the school is relatively unpopular for that cycle. When this occurs, the bottom of the waitlist could potentially have a shot at a seat since many active waitlisters may decline their acceptances. This occurs when students are no longer interested in Penn, whether they lost hope and placed final deposits at other schools, or thought the school was too expensive, etc. In contrast, waitlist movement will be slow and nearly non-existent during popular application cycles. This scenario will occur when the top ranking students immediately claim the first ten opening seats because Penn was truly their number one school and if Penn was the only school they got into.
 
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I declined my spot at Penn for those waiting. Good luck!
 
Awesome!!!!!!!! Congrats! Did they call u at 5?
 
I don't remember the time but it was around dinner time this evening.

And thank you! I'm so excited 🙂 Definitely taking the spot!
Congrats on the acceptance! Hopefully the lot of us can join you too!
 
giving up my seat! Goodluck guys!
Thanks for the update, cj7! Out of curiosity, what school have you decided on? Best of luck and congrats on your other acceptances! 🙂
 
this wait is driving me crazy as well...haven't heard of any news yet :/

I know what you guys mean. I really want to hear back soon. I'm really curious as to what our chances are at this point. I do not even know how many people are on this list.
 
Nope. I spoke with Corky last week and she said they are at capacity and haven't made offers in a while. That's all I was told.

Thanks Toofly~~ So I have a question! Did you email Corky or call her? Everytime i tried to get in touch with Corky, I had no luck by calling. I'm assuming maybe emailing her is better?
 
I called, but it took a couple tries because she was out of town for a while and then I'm assuming she was busy catching up with work. I'm sure emailing works as well, though it might take a couple of days.
 
I called, but it took a couple tries because she was out of town for a while and then I'm assuming she was busy catching up with work. I'm sure emailing works as well, though it might take a couple of days.

Thanks Toofly! Yea, i'll definitely call or email her to update changes to my application. I hope they get back to us soon..at least this month! ><
 
Congratulations Class of 2017! It's truly a great honor and I wish you all the best! I am a graduate of Temple Dental 2007 and Temple Ortho 2010. I lived in the same condominium the entire time. It's the perfect location (Manayunk/Roxborough). Totally renovated and move in ready. I am looking to sell. Please contact me if you have any interest. [email protected]. Good luck in your future endeavors!
 
Hi guys, I'm resigning my acceptance on Monday because I got into my state school so someone will be getting my spot, good luck!
 
Congrats! The Penn wait list has seemed so quiet recently, glad to hear of some forthcoming movemt.
 
Hi guys, I'm resigning my acceptance on Monday because I got into my state school so someone will be getting my spot, good luck!

Hi Tiger, are you going to UCSF? Where were you on the waitlist? I'm super anxious. :scared:
 
Yes waitlisted at UCSF in February. Accepted to Penn in February.

Hey Tiger. When were you accepted off the waitlist at UCSF? From the last update, I'm 1 < x < 5. I have been moving in tens in the past few updates, but the movement seems to slow down after April.
 
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