The Underdog Thread

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I love this thread! When I started reading SDN, all I could think was, "Oh ****, 3.3 and 31R...I'm never going to get in...".

So yeah. 3.3, 31R, upward grade trend (2.8 --> 3.7), 8 DO interview invites, 2 MD interview invites, attended 6 interviews, accepted all DO and 1 MD.

I am so far below the MSAR averages that it's not even funny, and I still got in! Not URM, graduated from a lowly state school. I do have a story that explains my bad grades though, and it happens to also be why I decided to become a doctor, which I wrote about in my PS.

Just show 'em it's what you were meant to do 🙂

Great success story.

 

[NYDOC112]

Hey Emno, The way I see it is that the school already thought you were good enough to interview. Interviews are based on the competition at the particular school, for that particular year. I don't think it will necessarily hurt you because a new year = a new admissions folder. Just give it a shot, and never give up. But just remember if you burnt out with studying for the MCAT how will you deal with Medical School? Every exam is like studying for an MCAT...

 

[Atom bum]

Hey Emno, The way I see it is that the school already thought you were good enough to interview. Interviews are based on the competition at the particular school, for that particular year. I don't think it will necessarily hurt you because a new year = a new admissions folder. Just give it a shot, and never give up. But just remember if you burnt out with studying for the MCAT how will you deal with Medical School? Every exam is like studying for an MCAT...

Dang NYDOC, I thought I was at least moderately competitive before your previous post. So basically with my 3.4 science GPA I would be culled from application pool immediately?
And I thought I couldn't get any more stressed about this...

 

[NYDOC112]

I love this thread! When I started reading SDN, all I could think was, "Oh ****, 3.3 and 31R...I'm never going to get in...".

So yeah. 3.3, 31R, upward grade trend (2.8 --> 3.7), 8 DO interview invites, 2 MD interview invites, attended 6 interviews, accepted all DO and 1 MD.

I am so far below the MSAR averages that it's not even funny, and I still got in! Not URM, graduated from a lowly state school. I do have a story that explains my bad grades though, and it happens to also be why I decided to become a doctor, which I wrote about in my PS.

Just show 'em it's what you were meant to do 🙂

With a 31R you really had no worries! Most medical schools are willing to accept somebody with Slightly lower than average GPAs if they have above a 30 MCAT. Reason being: MCAT scores are usually good predictors of how a student will do on National Licensing Examinations...

 

[NYDOC112]

Dang NYDOC, I thought I was at least moderately competitive before your previous post. So basically with my 3.4 science GPA I would be culled from application pool immediately?
And I thought I couldn't get any more stressed about this...

A 3.4 science is not too far off. You just need a relatively good MCAT score, and cGPA... Most schools are willing to let one of the scores dip below the cutoffs, as long as the other scores a relatively good. Don't give up!

 

[emno]

Hey Emno, The way I see it is that the school already thought you were good enough to interview. Interviews are based on the competition at the particular school, for that particular year. I don't think it will necessarily hurt you because a new year = a new admissions folder. Just give it a shot, and never give up. But just remember if you burnt out with studying for the MCAT how will you deal with Medical School? Every exam is like studying for an MCAT...

Thanks NYDOC112 for taking time to reply my post.
I am taking a year break and then I am again ready. I needed this break.

 

[HockeyDr09]

We never retreat or surrender. The Army likes to call it a 'friendly cease-fire".

Don't waste your time. Just add him to your ignore list, makes life much easier. Some people just have a god complex. I wouldn't worry about it. After you ignore him all you see that he has posted but not what he has posted. I'm sure you could make up some mindless drivel that would fit in every time you see the username.🙂

 

[shenanigans327]

Here is some truthful information from an individual involved in the admissions process. Every person who applies to medical schools gets a secondary application. The schools make money out of it, and they need the extra information for your application anyway, Everyone gets a secondary! I do interviews and admissions for the school I graduated from. It is a older and established Do school with an excellent reputation. Our class of 2013 stats was a Average MCAT of 29.5. Average cGPA of 3.7, and and average sGPA of 3.65. Our cutoff was a MCAT 27 (below that we did not even look at the applicants file) cGPA of 3.5, and sGPA of 3.45. We didn't look at applicants below these cutoffs for one reason: we had ~10,000 applications for 300 seats, We were able to choose the top applicants. It is found students entering with lower stats did not make it out of Medical School, and were failed out. Of course we still tell everyone who calls there is no cutoff and we look at more than grades, we want the secondary fees. My advice to students with lower stats is this: Do NOT give up if this is the career you truly want. Work to get your stats up, re-take your MCAT, get a masters degree with an excellent Graduate GPA and apply with better stats. Those right on the border of the national average should apply but be selective in which schools you apply to. The National average is low because of newer schools accepting less qualified candidates. I would urge you to apply to newer less well known schools as the Top schools do have high cutoffs. Those with high Cutoffs: PCOM, UNECOM, NYCOM, and a few other top schools... Just we smart and apply to the right areas and good luck.

I'm glad I have a plan B.... maybe they'll move me to the grill, I heard that's when the big money starts comin' in!! 😀

 

[HockeyDr09]

Here is some truthful information from an individual involved in the admissions process. Every person who applies to medical schools gets a secondary application. The schools make money out of it, and they need the extra information for your application anyway, Everyone gets a secondary! I do interviews and admissions for the school I graduated from. It is a older and established Do school with an excellent reputation. Our class of 2013 stats was a Average MCAT of 29.5. Average cGPA of 3.7, and and average sGPA of 3.65. Our cutoff was a MCAT 27 (below that we did not even look at the applicants file) cGPA of 3.5, and sGPA of 3.45. We didn't look at applicants below these cutoffs for one reason: we had ~10,000 applications for 300 seats, We were able to choose the top applicants. It is found students entering with lower stats did not make it out of Medical School, and were failed out. Of course we still tell everyone who calls there is no cutoff and we look at more than grades, we want the secondary fees. My advice to students with lower stats is this: Do NOT give up if this is the career you truly want. Work to get your stats up, re-take your MCAT, get a masters degree with an excellent Graduate GPA and apply with better stats. Those right on the border of the national average should apply but be selective in which schools you apply to. The National average is low because of newer schools accepting less qualified candidates. I would urge you to apply to newer less well known schools as the Top schools do have high cutoffs. Those with high Cutoffs: PCOM, UNECOM, NYCOM, and a few other top schools... Just we smart and apply to the right areas and good luck.

I do believe you but the CIB said that the highest amount of applications went to PCOM at a total of 6000apps. Did they under report by 4,000?

 

[JHInt]

HAHA when you are dealing with Thousands of Applications a year, its easier to say ~10,000. I really think he put ~as a give or take value... Either way 6000/300 = 20%... Im also looking at the CIB right now... They dont have total applicant per school data in the book... Where did you get your numbers.

 

[HockeyDr09]

Yeah they do. Page 15

 

[JHInt]

Yeah they do. Page 15

You do realize those numbers are 09-10 = 2 class years ago? This past class has been reported as the highest application year...

 

[HockeyDr09]

You do realize those numbers are 09-10 = 2 class years ago? This past class has been reported as the highest application year...

I said I believed him, just thought 4,000 extra was a little high.

 

[drctother]

Not trying to hate, but there is some people on here who defeat the purpose of this thread. This is UNDERDOG as in stats. Why are people posting who have over a 3.2 and over 25 MCAT? Defeats the purpose... just saying

However, the story above is motivating about the 3.3 and 31 MCAT🙂

 

[bcgans]

cumGPA 3.18
sciGPA 3.25
MCAT 25M

Applied to 15 D.O. schools, Received 5 interviews.

1st interview led to acceptance, withdrew from all other schools after their interviews.

Just giving you guys some hope. I don't think I had a special application, I simply knew the application process forward and backward, did things in a timely fashion, and kept myself and adcoms on their toes.

 

[drctother]

cumGPA 3.18
sciGPA 3.25
MCAT 25M

Applied to 15 D.O. schools, Received 5 interviews.

1st interview led to acceptance, withdrew from all other schools after their interviews.

Just giving you guys some hope. I don't think I had a special application, I simply knew the application process forward and backward, did things in a timely fashion, and kept myself and adcoms on their toes.

beautiful! Congrats!

 

[DrDre2001]

You do realize those numbers are 09-10 = 2 class years ago? This past class has been reported as the highest application year...

Okay, but the entering class of 09/10 is the class of 2013 right? NYDOC112 was talking about the class of 2013 when he made his claim that his school recieved 10,000 apps and had a 3.7 GPA/27 MCAT average.

I don't believe him. There is no way a school would get away with listing 10,000 applications when there really were 6,000.

 

[JHInt]

Yup Because somebody who can't get into medical school with a pot leaf as a avatar is all the more credible...

 

[DrDre2001]

Yup Because somebody who can't get into medical school with a pot leaf as a avatar is all the more credible...

I was just trying to point out to you that the 09/10 class you were talking about is the same class NYDOC was talking about. It wasn't an insult. I often get confused myself when someone gives me a "Class of ____" year and then I have to think about what year that class entered in.

And I just submitted my app and was verified. I don't see how I "can't get into medical school".

 

[HockeyDr09]

Yup Because somebody who can't get into medical school with a pot leaf as a avatar is all the more credible...

Not to be insulting, but I find him more credible than a "resident" with 5 posts who spends their time posting in an an underdog D.O pre-med forum.

 

[gatewasani]

well this thread turned out to be a downer 😡

 

[DbDan]

well this thread turned out to be a downer 😡

Doesn't need to be, lets update the first post with stats from people this cycle, or link to each persons MDapps or something. That way we can follow and turn it into an official low stats support group 👍

 

[Sinfest]

Doesn't need to be, lets update the first post with stats from people this cycle, or link to each persons MDapps or something. That way we can follow and turn it into an official low stats support group 👍

I agree

 

[Longshanks]

I doubt that schools want to earn from the secondary fee.

Yes, that's why nearly every school sends a secondary without pre-screening without regard for an applicants stats.... there's a reason why only 1 out of 10 students get an interview

 

[HockeyDr09]

Updated 👍

 

[Sinfest]

Updated 👍

Thanks, but you should probably get rid of the "naysayers" section.

No need to start any drama on SDN 👍

 

[Mzeep]

I definitely belong in this thread 🙂

Hope this cycle works out for us!

 

[futuredoc4432]

Yup Because somebody who can't get into medical school with a pot leaf as a avatar is all the more credible...

smoking pot has absolutely nothing to do with being a good candidate for getting into medical school...

 

[ChrisKnight]

MCAT 1: 25 P (7, 10, 8)

MCAT 2: 29 T (9, 10 , 10)

College GPA: 2.92

Masters Program GPA: 3.97

First year medical school: 95.7% average, all A's, class rank: 10/176.

It can be done.

 

[taylormade2006]

I definitely belong in this thread 🙂

Hope this cycle works out for us!

Have you considered taking the MCAT again? A 1,1,1 = 3 will be too low.

JK, good luck Mzeep!

MCAT 1: 25 P (7, 10, 8)

MCAT 2: 29 T (9, 10 , 10)

College GPA: 2.92

Masters Program GPA: 3.97

First year medical school: 95.7% average, all A's, class rank: 10/176.

It can be done.

Great story, Chris - very inspirational!

 

[gatewasani]

MCAT 1: 25 P (7, 10, 8)

MCAT 2: 29 T (9, 10 , 10)

College GPA: 2.92

Masters Program GPA: 3.97

First year medical school: 95.7% average, all A's, class rank: 10/176.

It can be done.

wow! a T in the writing is very impressive.

Did you do a SMP or just a regular masters? How many years was it?

 

[ChrisKnight]

I did a Masters in Biomedical Science at the school I'm attending now.

Between college and the masters program, I took a year off and took a couple of community college courses to get my studying up to par.

The masters program was 2 years long, the first year was medical school and graduate courses, and the second year was research.

My advice is to understand yourself, where you are coming from, and where you want to go.

Perseverance is a must. You must endure. You have to block out all of those negative thoughts in your mind, you have to ignore the people who tell you that you can't make it, and you have to turn the pain of studying into a fun experience.

I'm having more fun than I ever did in college. I think that's key.

And if it takes you a couple of years to get into medical school, so what? A few years is nothing compared to a lifetime of doing something you hate. I know a lot of people who started on the med school journey and didn't make it. It's sad, but it doesn't have to be you.

So if your goal is medical school, set your sights on it, and never ever look back.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I did a Masters in Biomedical Science at the school I'm attending now.

Between college and the masters program, I took a year off and took a couple of community college courses to get my studying up to par.

The masters program was 2 years long, the first year was medical school and graduate courses, and the second year was research.

My advice is to understand yourself, where you are coming from, and where you want to go.

Perseverance is a must. You must endure. You have to block out all of those negative thoughts in your mind, you have to ignore the people who tell you that you can't make it, and you have to turn the pain of studying into a fun experience.

I'm having more fun than I ever did in college. I think that's key.

And if it takes you a couple of years to get into medical school, so what? A few years is nothing compared to a lifetime of doing something you hate. I know a lot of people who started on the med school journey and didn't make it. It's sad, but it doesn't have to be you.

So if your goal is medical school, set your sights on it, and never ever look back.

William and Carry?

 

[judasreznor]

William and Carry?

William Carey University's MBS is only a year long.

 

[ChrisKnight]

Kcom

 

[smmossey]

I love this thread...I've been waiting for something like it for so long. I find myself getting so discouraged on these boards by some posters that I say "why even bother if this is who I am going to be working with"

Anyway I have a

3.73 sGPA
3.70 cGPA

23 MCAT taken last august (6PS, 8BS, 9VR)

I am taking the MCAT again in July hoping for a 30 or so...we'll see haha.

 

[Mzeep]

Have you considered taking the MCAT again? A 1,1,1 = 3 will be too low.

JK, good luck Mzeep!

Hahaha I should actually be studying now for the monster cat and not be on SDN!!


Good luck to you too 🙂

 

[DrDre2001]

I love this thread...I've been waiting for something like it for so long. I find myself getting so discouraged on these boards by some posters that I say "why even bother if this is who I am going to be working with"

Anyway I have a

3.73 sGPA
3.70 cGPA

23 MCAT taken last august (6PS, 8BS, 9VR)

I am taking the MCAT again in July hoping for a 30 or so...we'll see haha.

Your stats look good to me. Maybe some school's will screen out the 6. But those that don't will see your 3.73 and should take you much of the time.

 

[smmossey]

Your stats look good to me. Maybe some school's will screen out the 6. But those that don't will see your 3.73 and should take you much of the time.

Thanks for the encouragement! My goal is to obviously score higher, but really just to bring that 6 up to an 8 and keep an even distribution.

 

[DrDre2001]

Thanks for the encouragement! My goal is to obviously score higher, but really just to bring that 6 up to an 8 and keep an even distribution.

Yeah.

There was another thread (it probably got merged into another thread) where the OP posted basically the same thing as you. His GPA was great, MCAT was average but unbalanced with a 6 in one section.

I believe some other posts posted that a 6 is the minimum (and so is fine) for the screens at some schools.

Find those schools, apply, and you should easily be accepted into a few of them.

 

[ShinyDome19]

UGPA = 3.05
USciGPA = 3.00
GGPA = 3.85

Overall GPA = 3.31

MCAT = 25M (10P, 7V, 8B)

Applications Completed = 5 (4 DO, 1 MD)
Interview Invites = 3 (2 DO, 1 MD)
Acceptances = 1 Do, 1 MD

#times applying = 3; 1 time though i ended up having to withdraw all apps half-way into the application year...

Just be persistant and you'll get it

 

[futuredoc4432]

UGPA = 3.05
USciGPA = 3.00
GGPA = 3.85

Overall GPA = 3.31

MCAT = 25M (10P, 7V, 8B)

Applications Completed = 5 (4 DO, 1 MD)
Interview Invites = 3 (2 DO, 1 MD)
Acceptances = 1 Do, 1 MD

#times applying = 3; 1 time though i ended up having to withdraw all apps half-way into the application year...

Just be persistant and you'll get it

congrats!

 

[traitorman]

my stats definitely belong in this thread. but for some reason, im feeling very optimistic about my chances. i hope im not disappointed

 

[DbDan]

my stats definitely belong in this thread. but for some reason, im feeling very optimistic about my chances. i hope im not disappointed

I'm coming into this cycle much more confident than last cycle too. Hope it works out for you 👍

 

[atcpt1]

I think it would be interesting to compare GPA's/MCAT's of older (non-traditional) age 30-35+ vs. the traditional applicant to DO school.

Anybody have insight
Does it matter

Not sure I fit in this catagory since I havn't taken the MCAT's and my gpa is ok (3.4 and 3.5).

I've heard (although I have no clue if it's valid) that non-traditionals often perform well in medical school

It would be interesting to hear the comments.

 

[traitorman]

I'm coming into this cycle much more confident than last cycle too. Hope it works out for you 👍

thanks DbDan. good luck to u too man! u got a nice mcat score.

any idea if a 1) good mcat score offsetting a low gpa is better than a 2) good gpa offsetting a low mcat score?

 

[futuredoc4432]

I think it would be interesting to compare GPA's/MCAT's of older (non-traditional) age 30-35+ vs. the traditional applicant to DO school.

Anybody have insight
Does it matter

Not sure I fit in this catagory since I havn't taken the MCAT's and my gpa is ok (3.4 and 3.5).

I've heard (although I have no clue if it's valid) that non-traditionals often perform well in medical school

It would be interesting to hear the comments.

a lot of non-trads tend to have awesome extracurriculars/work experience which probably helps them

 

[DbDan]

thanks DbDan. good luck to u too man! u got a nice mcat score.

any idea if a 1) good mcat score offsetting a low gpa is better than a 2) good gpa offsetting a low mcat score?

I'm not sure actually and have thought about that. I'd say that I've seen more success stories of a 3.9 and a 23-25 than I have of a 2.9 and a 33+, that said it could just be that most people w/ <3.0 do not score that high.

 

[GuitarFreak]

I'm not sure actually and have thought about that. I'd say that I've seen more success stories of a 3.9 and a 23-25 than I have of a 2.9 and a 33+, that said it could just be that most people w/ <3.0 do not score that high.

I agree. The general trend seems to be the way you described it. I do think that adcomms tend to be more forgiving of a low MCAT score than a GPA because you get 8 semesters to get your final GPA and make up for any low semester GPAs. If you still can't pull it through and have a decent number, I'd say they'd judge you on that.
The MCAT, on the other hand, is a one time exam and you could have a perfect explanation on why you scored the way you did (in case of a low score).

 

[artaxerxes627]

I applied to D.O. Schools last year with a 3.2GPA and 26O MCAT. I didn't get in. (VCOM, WVSOM, PCOM) It was the absolute best use of $280 of application fees I could imagine. If you have never applied to medical school before, and at least meet the minimum requirements here's my advice

(assuming you have:
a GPA over 3.0.
an MCAT over 20
and a nice assortment of shadowing and volunteer experiences
AND you ALREADY have your Pre-Medical Advising Committee Letter of Recommendation loaded onto interfolio...)

[First
http://www.aamc.org/students/applying/fap/

If you can get that, you get 14 freebee's from AMCAS.]

Second:
Apply. No, don't apply to dream schools, and don't apply to 20 schools to up your chances. apply to a couple schools that you know do sometimes take applicants with your scores. The medical school application process is STRENUOUS! If you are not about to start one this fall, figure out what you are doing to increase your MCAT score when you take it again this summer (yes, you are taking it again). And what you are going to do to increase your GPA. Yes, keep volunteering. No having 400 hours instead of 200 hours will not make the difference for your GPA or MCAT (not even with D.O.s) so, yes you should still be trying to get those higher.

I know people are all about save your money, up your stats and try next year. Yes, it's a chunk of change. But, MANY people with much better scores than us do not get in on their very first try. Being a second time applicant makes a big difference to admissions committees. Applying, getting rejected, uping your stats and sticking with your clinical volunteering and applying again with a stronger application means more than applying with that improved application for the first time.

There is A LOT more that can go wrong with your application besides your scores. Do you have all your letters? Are they good? like I asked before, do you have your Pre-Medical Advising Committee Letter of Recommendation? If not do you have a letter from your DEAN explaining why your school does not provide that letter and that they do recommend you as an applicant? Do you already have your personal statement drafted? Has the doctor that you shadowed and got an LOR from read your letter and given you the thumbs up? Has the pre-med advisor from your undergrad school read your statement and given you the thumbs up? Do you already know what you'll say in your secondary application essays? Are you prepared to have your applications in before the end of July (the latest that you could still be considered a proactive applicant). What if you get an interview? Do you know why you want to be a physician? What are you going to do if you don't get in this year?
The application process is long, grueling and you never ever get to have the feeling that you have things figured out, and you can settle down. Even if you apply early, if you are a weak applicant you will be waiting the longest to find out if you have been accepted or wait-listed. It is very tough, and so I encourage you to do a meaningful "practice run." Give it your best shot, but realize that you have a lot to learn about applying to school.

Third:
Apply to post-bacc programs. At least three.
How do you choose which ones? Call the offices of admission at the schools that you most desire to attend and schedule a meeting with their dean of admission. yeah, bring your resume and scores and stuff, if you've already filled out AMCAS or AACOMAS bring your summary. Don't expect them to care about looking at it. Just be prepared to be to the point and confident. Be prepared to tell them how THIS years applications is going, What you are doing with the application year, What you are going to do if you don't get in this year and a couple distant options for what you will do if you still don't get in the year after that. Own where you are right now. They will tell you about the post-bacc programs that they most respect and that you might have a shot at getting into. Apply to them. And applying to one that you are almost sure that you will get into (i.e. you are at least above the minimum stats).
This is what you are going to do if you don't get into medical school for 2011. Don't wait until you find out that you did not get in to medical school to apply to the post back programs. They are competitive as well. If you can not go meet these people face to face, call them. Remember if you are applying to their school for 2011 (and you are planning to have your app in before the end of july, right?) they are about to see your application in front of their face in a few weeks. They will still remember you and how determined you are to do whatever it takes to get into medical school no matter what.

If you get into one of these programs (and don't get into medical school) GO. You're serious now, and times ticking by. You want to be a physician, not a pre-med applicant.

Why are these programs better than just taking organic chemistry again at the local community college? If you have a 3.2 GPA over 120 credits you would have to take ONE HUNDRED more credits and ACE them ALL to up your GPA to a 3.43. Yes, retaking classes that you got C's and lower in to get them up to A's would help your over all GPA on the applications. But getting a fresh GRADUATE level transcript and bossing it around like a child to get a 4.0 - even on just 32 credits (one school year, as most graduate certificates are) - will show much more focused determination, and will prepare you much better for your upcoming med-school classes than a self-organized dabbling of undergrad - "post bacc" classes. It is also possible to get financial aid for a graduate certificate or masters degree, but not for continued dabbling in the 300-400 class number range.

Though this is not the case everywhere, since most of these programs are hosted by medical schools, they often have special incentives for students who transition from their post-bacc to their medical program. Sometimes this means a lighter load in the first years of med-school, sometimes it means that they straight up hold a spot for you if you have a decent GPA in their program and a menial MCAT.

Fourth:
If you did not score above 30 on the MCAT. Get ready to take it again. Every year until you score above 30 or get in to medical school you should be actively increasing your ability to answer MCAT questions with special focus on your weakest subjects. If you do not have a score over 30 do not say to anyone that you are not planning to retake the MCAT, You are planning to. Set a date. Plan for it. Unless you have completely given up on becoming a physician then you should not give up on the MCAT.

I know the MCAT is a masochistic exercise in misery even for those who do well on it the first time. But guess what. You have THREE, EIGHT HOUR tests coming your way after 2nd and 4th years of medical school And your licensing exam after your internship. And if you get that far and don't pass those, what are you going to do? you're going to take them again. If you aren't willing to improve your MCAT score and take it again, what does that say to a medical school about your determination to pass the USMLEs? They don't want to invest years of education into students who would refuse to try again if they didn't pass the first time.

Further reading:

Make phone calls. Get face time.
I'm serious. Getting a 10-15 minute meeting with a dean at a school that you really want to go to is not like seeing the bride before the wedding. They will NOT be angry or impatient that you are interested in their school. Most of they time they will give you straight up advice about how competitive you are and what you could do to make yourself a competitive applicant. As you continue to bust your ass to up your MCAT and/or GPA stay in touch with them. So long as you are polite and respectful and brush your teeth and make a firm handshake there is nothing wrong about a few Dean's of admission knowing your name and face. In fact, there is everything right about it. It gets you out there as a REAL applicant and not just someone who filled out the application. Plus it gives the feeling that the schools you are applying to are routing for you. Even if this means that they are routing for you to up your stats and keep trying it makes a BIG difference if YOU know that those kinds of people know that you want to be a physician. It takes a great deal of personal fortitude to apply to medical school - AGAIN. Get yourself all the encouragement you can.

More on phone calls:
Really, you should make at least one phone call to all the schools that you are interested in just to say, hello to someone in the admissions office. If you go there, you don't want to feel like a stranger. The more you want to go to a school, the more you should be making yourself familiar TO that school, as well as becoming familiar with the school.


AACOMAS and AMCAS applicant for 2011
3.28GPA 26O MCAT
Retaking the MCAT on July 16th
Beginning Post-Bacc at VCOM on July 26th

Don't stop believing