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[Animal Midwife]

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well, you normally have a problem with people "self prez" early and insist a villager wouldn't do that but would keep up the good fight

Oh, frightened villagers have done that. It's distracting but has happened. I'm much more accepting of it if they're self-prezzing on a wolf read though.

Self-prezzing onto a village read >5 minutes until close is what I'm saying is wrong. It's anti-village at best and sometimes even a wolf move.

 

[sunshinefl]

In general so far, it kinda feels like many people are trying to switch up their meta, or still establishing one, so there's a lot of static for me in what's been posted so far.

Genny's being a tisch more jokey and chaotic that usual, but nothing that's stuck out to me as particularly sus yet
Dubz is definitely excited to be here...but whether to read that through genny's lens of possibly 3P role, or as any of the potentially NAI reasons April listed, IDK yet
Cray feels the most normal, typical meta, village!cray out of anybody

I agree with 95% of your post... except that I think Genny is sus

In seriousness, this whole exchange feels very NAI and I don't think it's going anywhere. Sunny's feelings about interrogation are Sunny's feelings, and shorty, AM, WZ, and cray's (iirc who was in this conversation) are theirs across games regardless of whether they're wolf or village.

Yes I agree that whole philosophical debate itself is NAI for all parties involved.

 

[Crayola227]

interesting that AM isn't calling this out when she normally calls people out for "self prez" votes early and doing "self prez" wrong.....

Genny's vote on Visc did not have roots in self prez, and 90 min to vote close is reasonable if she's trying to get 4 people to join her on the vote in order to beat her current vote count, assuming she can't get the people off her vote.

It's never too early to self prez in the form of campaigning for your top wolf read. I think that's just villaging (if person doing it is actually village)

 

[Crayola227]

Also AM's avatar should be a clue that there is no such thing as making Midwife happy. Get used to it now.

 

[sunshinefl]

Genny's vote on Visc did not have roots in self prez, and 90 min to vote close is reasonable if she's trying to get 4 people to join her on the vote in order to beat her current vote count, assuming she can't get the people off her vote.

she literally called out self prez

It's never too early to self prez in the form of campaigning for your top wolf read. I think that's just villaging (if person doing it is actually village)

I don't disagree, but historically AM does.

 

[genny]

she literally called out self prez

Because I’m dying and there are no other close wagons lol

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

back from lunch and some craft time and playing catchup, here's page 10-11:

it just felt way too early for me for someone to focus on a joke vote

interested to see how this goes and if she's here yet while i catch up

i don't like that the response to please explain your reads was a fairly similar looking reads list, which also had no explanations. but i'll keep reading and see if that changed.

but (and i could be wrong) i don't remember anyone pushing her to post reads

i think these z/genny interactions are interesting. maybe w/v or v/v

that seems a little complex, i think maybe 2 of them could be wolf but not all 3

this is very good advice WHICH made my little brain itch go remember when you were told to be sus of helpful people so idk if that's something that's applying here, but at least noted. I can't say much bc i try to be helpful to noobs when i can, being a nooblet myself

was cray sus of you? i can't remember

moving on,

*twitch*

Yeet genny

i don't like this vote, it read to me as genuine joke? and it seems a bit close to yeet for this to be a joke vote. if i finish my catchup and april's still on this one is definitely an eyebrow raise

Current list of my personal suspicions that may be proven wrong:
April
Shorty
Zenge

Not sure about rest yet, still working on my reasons for suspicions. Will post them soon...

interested to see where this goes. but this paired with the stuff from p4 that i mentioned makes me thing April and ace are not w/w, i don't think bussing that hard is reasonable

My question is, if that’s what they usually do, what’s the point of applying pressure if it doesn’t really make a difference?

that is a very interesting point.

Starting to feel here like Zenge is "stretching." Made a comment about genny having coffee, and now saying she's "dead certain" on Dubz. Not sure if rhetoric is meant to pressure genny vs cast genny in a certain light, and which reflects on Zenge's intentions and affiliation.

wanted to note this too and keep it in mind

also i wanted to write this here so that i dont forget, but did sloth every explain her wolfy read list side? (by that i mean the difference between ??? and neutral i dont get it) I'll go back and look for it later, but if she didn't i really don't like that she stopped her explanation at who's in village.

 

[Crayola227]

Ditto. I'd rather risk misyeeting a villager and then having lots of info from others' responses to the interrogation/leading up to the misyeet than misyeeting a villager because we don't have enough info and there's no pressure on wolves and then still having too little info.


*wolfhunts gently*

Spoiler: with balance and care

In seriousness, this whole exchange feels very NAI and I don't think it's going anywhere. Sunny's feelings about interrogation are Sunny's feelings, and shorty, AM, WZ, and cray's (iirc who was in this conversation) are theirs across games regardless of whether they're wolf or village. Personally, I think it's a useful wolfhunting tool and part of the game's fun, but I want to say that it should never go to the point of personal attack. If anyone feels like it's gone too far for them then I'm very sorry and hope they can work out the issue with the people they feel attacked by and still have fun

Your gif choice made me laugh out loud, roll on the floor, and just about piss myself.

 

[alleycat03]

I don't like the look of those wagons. While I get the sus of april, an entirely noob(-ish) wagon feels like a misyeet. Conversely, genny/cray/dubz all agreeing on Vis while sussing each other on thread feels like a setup

I’m working on getting caught up, but I don’t plan on keeping my vote on April. I’m still a few pages behind, but I am agreeing with the points being brought up regarding Genny, Sloth, and Vis.

 

[sunshinefl]

I’ve decided that for now, I’m going to refrain from trying to read dubz. She fooled me hardcore last game, so I definitely want to keep an eye on her posts and try to figure out what her affiliation is.

Alley, I can see from my notifications you are getting caught up, so I'm curious how you feel about WZ. She's a ??? for me and you're a blank, so I'm interested to hear this from you.

 

[alleycat03]

Tone, what she's choosing to respond to, feelz...
I need to go run errands, but remind me later and I'll try to pull quotes

This is your reminder if you haven’t done it already

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

also i wanted to write this here so that i dont forget, but did sloth every explain her wolfy read list side? (by that i mean the difference between ??? and neutral i dont get it) I'll go back and look for it later, but if she didn't i really don't like that she stopped her explanation at who's in village.

update: i looked back and i dont think she did.
@PhiloslothicalStudent ???????

 

[Crayola227]

I feel like wolfy genny would fight harder, this feels like village genny going to her death. Or my memory is bad.

What think you of this point @Animal Midwife and @WildZoo ?

 

[alleycat03]

This post seems exactly like something village!cray would say. I’m leaning her village right now

So if we're not going to interrogate potential wolf candidates, how do you propose we flush out wolves on the thread? By saying please wolfy wolfy come here for a treat?

 

[Crayola227]

Also to answer someone who asked, yes I have some sus of Dubz but not for the enthusiasm reason which I think is a bit ridic.

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

update: i looked back and i dont think she did.
@PhiloslothicalStudent ???????

Looking back now there really is no difference between neutral and ???, remind me to never ever ever do a full roster on D1 again

 

[Animal Midwife]

I feel like wolfy genny would fight harder, this feels like village genny going to her death. Or my memory is bad.

What think you of this point @Animal Midwife and @WildZoo ?

I'm not able to decipher from that. I think I need to see more casing of/debating with Vis so I can see what she's seeing.

 

[Crayola227]

This post seems exactly like something village!cray would say. I’m leaning her village right now

The way you assign village points....

Sidenote what SDN has done to its emojis is like the worst thing to have ever happened to SDN in my 7 years. I want ****ing lovey face back

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Looking back now there really is no difference between neutral and ???, remind me to never ever ever do a full roster on D1 again

while im tempted to read this as genuine, it reminds me a leetle bit of when someone was caught for essentially a typing mistake that made it clear they were faking reads and i don't like it

 

[supershorty]

Looking back now there really is no difference between neutral and ???, remind me to never ever ever do a full roster on D1 again

Interesting.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

while im tempted to read this as genuine, it reminds me a leetle bit of when someone was caught for essentially a typing mistake that made it clear they were faking reads and i don't like it

going with my gut instinct on this one

yeet sloth

 

[Crayola227]

while im tempted to read this as genuine, it reminds me a leetle bit of when someone was caught for essentially a typing mistake that made it clear they were faking reads and i don't like it

Can you expound on this with deets? Who? What game?

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

while im tempted to read this as genuine, it reminds me a leetle bit of when someone was caught for essentially a typing mistake that made it clear they were faking reads and i don't like it

I already admitted earlier in the thread that I’ve been essentially eating my words since and trying to improve

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Can you expound on this with deets? Who? What game?

I can't remember who it was but it was a transcribing error they made in apocalypses (if memory serves) where they put "wolf" in their wolf reads instead of a name

 

[LaineyLou]

going with my gut instinct on this one

yeet sloth

I’m definitely questioning them because a few reasons. Why is your gut telling you to yeet them?

 

[LaineyLou]

Hey sorry. I guess whenever I work animals decide to all spontaneously start dying!

Reads on people

Wolfy/suspicious
-genny: I thought her statement about " i just show up and say things" seemed a tad odd, but then again im new so idk how they play. then they replied to my "is this sus" question "I sure did", also trying to self prez early. Still a bit iffy on what this means but i think its odd
-visc- has said questionable things in the beginning and were super over explainy

???
-sunshine: kinda defended genny but also may know them better
-sloth- stated toward the beginning they were just following the trend, also they havent put in vote yet so are they sitting back and watching till the end for some reason.


Village lean
-kras- just seems to be neutral
-Cray- people say they've been normal, i dont see anything that stands out

This is what i have so far. If a name isnt listed it means im neutral about them or havent heard or felt enough to make a definite decision

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

I already admitted earlier in the thread that I’ve been essentially eating my words since and trying to improve

i'm genuinely sympathetic to that bc the same kinda thing almost got me misyeeted last game, but choking on words is also something a wolf may do

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

I’m definitely questioning them because a few reasons. Why is your gut telling you to yeet them?

it was the questionable reads lists posted earlier without much explanation + the saying that ???/neutral were the same upon reflection didn't sit right with me, and the latter made me vote

 

[Animal Midwife]

Hey sorry. I guess whenever I work animals decide to all spontaneously start dying!

Reads on people

Wolfy/suspicious
-genny: I thought her statement about " i just show up and say things" seemed a tad odd, but then again im new so idk how they play. then they replied to my "is this sus" question "I sure did", also trying to self prez early. Still a bit iffy on what this means but i think its odd
-visc- has said questionable things in the beginning and were super over explainy

???
-sunshine: kinda defended genny but also may know them better
-sloth- stated toward the beginning they were just following the trend, also they havent put in vote yet so are they sitting back and watching till the end for some reason.


Village lean
-kras- just seems to be neutral
-Cray- people say they've been normal, i dont see anything that stands out

This is what i have so far. If a name isnt listed it means im neutral about them or havent heard or felt enough to make a definite decision

Do you think genny and Vis can be wolves together? What's meant by "neutral" and why does that make you village read kras? Also, what's the different between ??? and neutral?

 

[Crayola227]

@Animal Midwife you still think MsP is the best place for pressure? With everything in the thread she's still your top wolf read? What do you think of April, genny, Sloth? Do you not like the current wagons? Penny for your thoughts.

 

[Zenge142]

@genny Why Vis and not Sloth for the self prez?

I mean I know that’s where your vote is now, but it seems like there’s more of a general “Sloth is sus” vibe happening. It might be easier to convince people to join you on that vote if you’re looking to self prez.

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Animal Midwife you still think MsP is the best place for pressure? With everything in the thread she's still your top wolf read? What do you think of April, genny, Sloth? Do you not like the current wagons? Penny for your thoughts.

I do think she's a good spot for pressure. I like seeing how others react to her being on the board.

April I'm conflicted about but may still leave her in slightly wolfy. genny is neutral. sloth is slightly village.

Which current wagons are you referring to? Because I'm on one of them.

 

[genny]

@genny Why Vis and not Sloth for the self prez?

I mean I know that’s where your vote is now, but it seems like there’s more of a general “Sloth is sus” vibe happening. It might be easier to convince people to join you on that vote if you’re looking to self prez.

I don't find sloth particularly wolfy. I'll go there if I have to, but there's plenty of time for people to come to their senses.

 

[Crayola227]

I do think she's a good spot for pressure. I like seeing how others react to her being on the board.

April I'm conflicted about but may still leave her in slightly wolfy. genny is neutral. sloth is slightly village.

Which current wagons are you referring to? Because I'm on one of them.

The ones besides the one you're on. You like MsP better than any of the others? Where would you vote next if you had to?

 

[genny]

going with my gut instinct on this one

yeet sloth

don't you have to unyeet ace first? did i miss that?

 

[LaineyLou]

Do you think genny and Vis can be wolves together? What's meant by "neutral" and why does that make you village read kras? Also, what's the different between ??? and neutral?

I acuallu question whether genny and sunshine could be wolves together. It was something about how sunshine defended genny but they may just know genny better. By neutral I just mean not trying too hard or going over the top which gives me chill vibes=village vibes. ??? I meant like I’m suspicious but then not suspicious so I have no clue. Neutral I just don’t have much thoughts on.

 

[Animal Midwife]

The ones besides the one you're on. You like MsP better than any of the others? Where would you vote next if you had to?

kras, April, and Vis maybe.

 

[Viscernable]

What is the genny-alley connection?

This:

This post is raising my eyebrows a bit given how I feel about genny. There were pages of long, analytical posts by this point, and the one you find most notable for raising good points is 30 words including 2 reads without any reasoning, 1 speculation about Dubz being 3p based on enthusiasm (this speculation really doesn't read genuine to me. I've never gotten the impression from Dubz that she would be more enthusiastic if she were 3p - I'm pretty sure she's talked on previous threads about how much fun vanilla/non-factional/basics/mountainous roles and games can be. Cray pointing out that wolf-genny often has role-hunting on the brain makes me like this speculation even less),

It's not from her spreadsheet, but my own observations.

Can you elaborate on this? The wolf reads I saw in kras's post were April, Sloth, and maybe Dubz? but she also said she was worried about April's wagon looking like a misyeet and I don't fully understand how she feels about Dubz, genny, cray, and me. Who are the 3 wolf reads you're referring to and what, more broadly, are you getting from her posts?

Genny's being a tisch more jokey and chaotic that usual, but nothing that's stuck out to me as particularly sus yet
Dubz is definitely excited to be here...but whether to read that through genny's lens of possibly 3P role, or as any of the potentially NAI reasons April listed, IDK yet
Cray feels the most normal, typical meta, village!cray out of anybody

Is this the promised reasoning on Dubz? It's... not as compelling as you made it sound.

 

[genny]

It was something about how sunshine defended genny

Wait, what? She's voting for me lol

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Current list of my personal suspicions that may be proven wrong:
April
Shorty
Zenge

Not sure about rest yet, still working on my reasons for suspicions. Will post them soon...

Where'd you go????? (unless I missed it, i'm trying to pay attention before I get pulled away for dinner date)

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

don't you have to unyeet ace first? did i miss that?

oops



unyeet ace
yeet sloth

 

[supershorty]

Where'd you go????? (unless I missed it, i'm trying to pay attention before I get pulled away for dinner date)

You didn't miss it. He hasn't returned.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I acuallu question whether genny and sunshine could be wolves together. It was something about how sunshine defended genny but they may just know genny better.

sunshine voting genny and has been for a while. Does that affect anything? I'd still like to hear about Vis too though.

By neutral I just mean not trying too hard or going over the top which gives me chill vibes=village vibes.

Not trying too hard? How does that compare to what she did last game?

??? I meant like I’m suspicious but then not suspicious so I have no clue. Neutral I just don’t have much thoughts on.

Gun to head, if you were to move sunshine and sloth to the village or wolf category, which would it be? (They don't have to both be in the same group.)

 

[LaineyLou]

Made my decision based on above description

**YEET GENNY**

 

[LaineyLou]

sunshine voting genny and has been for a while. Does that affect anything? I'd still like to hear about Vis too though.

Not trying too hard? How does that compare to what she did last game?

Gun to head, if you were to move sunshine and sloth to the village or wolf category, which would it be? (They don't have to both be in the same group.)

Sunshine village, sloth wolf

 

[Animal Midwife]

Can you elaborate on this? The wolf reads I saw in kras's post were April, Sloth, and maybe Dubz? but she also said she was worried about April's wagon looking like a misyeet and I don't fully understand how she feels about Dubz, genny, cray, and me. Who are the 3 wolf reads you're referring to and what, more broadly, are you getting from her posts?

I'm only accepting reads that don't get double-back tracked on in the same paragraph. I saw a dubz, genny, and Cray wolf read. Which made little sense then and even less sense now. She may have dropped those reads now, but it's hard to tell given her vote is still parked on dubz.

I'm getting hedgy stuff from her posts and nothing outright villagey.

 

[Crayola227]

This:



Can you elaborate on this? The wolf reads I saw in kras's post were April, Sloth, and maybe Dubz? but she also said she was worried about April's wagon looking like a misyeet and I don't fully understand how she feels about Dubz, genny, cray, and me. Who are the 3 wolf reads you're referring to and what, more broadly, are you getting from her posts?

Is this the promised reasoning on Dubz? It's... not as compelling as you made it sound.

I didn't think she was making it sound whatever...this feels a little stretchy here.

The first paragraph reads like you're trying to make conversation more than questions that weren't answered already.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Made my decision based on above description

**YEET GENNY**

i think this gets the genny vote to 6 (maybe 7) and that's awfully big. definitely some wolves hiding in there. i don't have her strongly in either category, but i think whatever she flips it'll be interesting to see who was on the vote

 

[alleycat03]

Alley, I can see from my notifications you are getting caught up, so I'm curious how you feel about WZ. She's a ??? for me and you're a blank, so I'm interested to hear this from you.

I’ve picked up on her “excited” tone as others have mentioned, so I’m really hoping she’s not a bomb like apocalypse. I think she is being more jokey and upbeat, but I have not determined if that is AI or not. So I would say right now she’s still classified as ??? in my head, but I am leaning slightly towards anti-village since she seems to be more excited when she is either 3P or wolf

 

[Animal Midwife]

Made my decision based on above description

**YEET GENNY**

Which description was that?