There Be Basics WW 2021

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

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Well, fudge, this is what happens when villagers don't play like villagers. I feel like my Tacobell trip made me miss a lot. Got even more catching up to do now

but did you get nacho fries, bc if so, it was worth it. i made tim go get me nacho fries

 

[kraskadva]

Contingency yeet Ace

 

[Dinashadow]

I know this sucks, but I still feel pretty good about our village block and we still have a few people in the POE to focus on next.

Most notably is Lainey, Ace, +/- alley, +/- kras

 

[Acehunter123]

but did you get nacho fries, bc if so, it was worth it. i made tim go get me nacho fries

Yes I made sure to get some so she could try them 🙂

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

contingency yeet lainey

 

[Aprilthearab]

but did you get nacho fries, bc if so, it was worth it. i made tim go get me nacho fries

Yes I'm eating them right now

 

[supershorty]

Contingency yeet Lainey

 

[Acehunter123]

As I still feel the same way as before, Yeet Lainey

 

[Dinashadow]

Contingency yeet Lainey

 

[Crayola227]

My math might be off, but if we assume there is only 1 NK / night, and 3 wolves, then village only gets to pick two more votes before game over.

 

[Crayola227]

I want to see who they choose to NK first before putting in a contigency.

 

[supershorty]

I want to see who they choose to NK first before putting in a contigency.

What if they NK you though? Wouldn't it help village if we had your contingency vote on record even though it wouldn't count toward final vote?

(at least that was my reasoning for putting in mine because I won't be entirely surprised if I get NKed tonight since previous nights have targeted high activity people)

 

[Crayola227]

I will admit sussing Zenge was not a good call, similar to my original sussing of April as well. Even looking retrospectively, I cannot fathom why I originally thought that especially with so many others that seemed more suspicious at the time. I'm curious what your opinion is on the most recent list that I formed? (Including the correction of April to village yesterday). Note: I wish I had more time currently to add more information to back up the list, but that will have to wait until much later when I get home.

Now I'm not sure where your most recent reads list is but I will go looking.

 

[Acehunter123]

While greatly hoping that I live through another night, I look forward to having some really solid discussions with you guys tomorrow. I know I will have a good portion of the day to help work as a team to figure this out. Unfortunately I am currently way too tired to stay up much later following the insane day at the clinic that I walked into and the large amount of taco bell I just consumed...

 

[supershorty]

While greatly hoping that I live through another night, I look forward to having some really solid discussions with you guys tomorrow. I know I will have a good portion of the day to help work as a team to figure this out. Unfortunately I am currently way too tired to stay up much later following the insane day at the clinic that I walked into and the large amount of taco bell I just consumed...

This post just gave me more wolfy vibes. Specifically the bolded part, for the same reason that I took issue the last time Ace said this.

You are not a logical choice for NK given that you're in the POE. If you are village, you're still a relatively easy misyeet.

 

[Acehunter123]

Now I'm not sure where your most recent reads list is but I will go looking.

I dont have a lot of evidence yet, but my two largest suspects are Lainey and Alley... potentially Kras as well but I am undecided

 

[Crayola227]

What if they NK you though? Wouldn't it help village if we had your contingency vote on record even though it wouldn't count toward final vote?

(at least that was my reasoning for putting in mine because I won't be entirely surprised if I get NKed tonight since previous nights have targeted high activity people)

That's a good point I considered. But I'm not really sure my pick will make much difference to village. I'm feeling pretty defeated by the lowposters/low analysis people right now.

My sus list hasn't changed much. Lainey, Ace, Kras, Alley, Please, Dina. Not too long a list if 3 wolves left, so decent POE. Problem is several of them it's possible just bad not wolfy play which is hard to tell apart.

 

[Acehunter123]

This post just gave me more wolfy vibes.

May I ask why? I am seriously just trying to say goodnight and that I look forward to working together to try and figure this out tomorrow

 

[Aprilthearab]

This post just gave me more wolfy vibes. Specifically the bolded part, for the same reason that I took issue the last time Ace said this.

You are not a logical choice for NK given that you're in the POE. If you are village, you're still a relatively easy misyeet.

In place of having a meta to refer to for him, I will say he enjoys wrapping himself in dramatic flavor so I'm not sure if he genuinely thinks that is a risk or if he is just having fun (because the Ace I know in real life just likes playing with words for flair - it is the reason I have to elbow him every time he talks to someone on the phone and starts with "Helllloooo sir, how are you doing this fine day?")

 

[supershorty]

May I ask why? I am seriously just trying to say goodnight and that I look forward to working together to try and figure this out tomorrow

It's in the post.

If you want to be pro-village and talk about NKs, you need to think about NKs from the perspective of a wolf. Whose death would most benefit wolves? Someone who has been actively wolfhunting - and a lot? Or someone who has suspicion on them even now and could be misyeeted at next vote?

If I were wolfing, I know who my top 2 candidates for NK would be based on activity. You would be at the bottom of the list. I'm not going to say who it would be and unnecessarily put ideas in their heads, but it really pings my radar when someone who is an obvious choice NOT to NK repeatedly makes references to dying overnight.

 

[supershorty]

In place of having a meta to refer to for him, I will say he enjoys wrapping himself in dramatic flavor so I'm not sure if he genuinely thinks that is a risk or if he is just having fun (because the Ace I know in real life just likes playing with words for flair - it is the reason I have to elbow him every time he talks to someone on the phone and starts with "Helllloooo sir, how are you doing this fine day?")

Why are you so quick to defend him?

This is something I've called him out on before. I don't like that it happened again.

 

[Acehunter123]

It's in the post.

If you want to be pro-village and talk about NKs, you need to think about NKs from the perspective of a wolf. Whose death would most benefit wolves? Someone who has been actively wolfhunting - and a lot? Or someone who has suspicion on them even now and could be misyeeted at next vote?

If I were wolfing, I know who my top 2 candidates for NK would be based on activity. You would be at the bottom of the list.

While I would agree, I can't help but feel like there is always a chance. I suppose you are right though and I see now that repeating it while meant in all sincerity can seem a bit suspicious when I'm not usually the center of good attention.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Why are you so quick to defend him?

This is something I've called him out on before. I don't like that it happened again.

Because he does not have an established meta and I think it might be useful for people to have an idea of what he is like. Take from it what you may, like I said, I'm not sure which of the two scenarios it is. He IS my boyfriend and I do know more about him than others on the thread and someone might find that information handy.

 

[supershorty]

While I would agree, I can't help but feel like there is always a chance.

WW is not a game of chance, it is a game of strategy.

 

[Acehunter123]

WW is not a game of chance, it is a game of strategy.

Assuming that you choose the right strategy that is... so far I think re-evaluation of all the information at hand is probably key after having two villagers yeeted back to back that seemed "so suspicious" and "wolfy".

 

[supershorty]

Assuming that you choose the right strategy that is... so far I think re-evaluation of all the information at hand is probably key after having two villagers yeeted back to back that seemed "so suspicious" and "wolfy".

You might want to up your pro-village play tomorrow by like, a lot, if you want us to buy that you're actually a noob villager and not a noob wolf.

I'm just saying. Your anti-village attitude is starting to come back out and I'm not digging it. If you want a village win, dig in tomorrow and HELP OUT.

 

[Acehunter123]

I'm worried about how much information is being put into chat to drive the direction away from the wolves and towards suspecting villagers. Similar to your comment just now regarding my word choice when I'm merely trying to say to have a goodnight and that I hope I don't die.

 

[Acehunter123]

You might want to up your pro-village play tomorrow by like, a lot, if you want us to buy that you're actually a noob villager and not a noob wolf.

I'm just saying. Your anti-village attitude is starting to come back out and I'm not digging it. If you want a village win, dig in tomorrow and HELP OUT.

I do entirely intend to help and hope that maybe, just maybe we may be able to yeet a wolf next time

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

I'm worried about how much information is being put into chat to drive the direction away from the wolves and towards suspecting villagers. Similar to your comment just now regarding my word choice when I'm merely trying to say to have a goodnight and that I hope I don't die.

This is another hello fellow villagers, so who are the wolves you found? Post
I don’t like it

 

[supershorty]

I'm going to stop responding to Ace for now because his attitude is pushing me back toward rage!shorty and I really don't want that to become part of my meta.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I'm worried about how much information is being put into chat to drive the direction away from the wolves and towards suspecting villagers. Similar to your comment just now regarding my word choice when I'm merely trying to say to have a goodnight and that I hope I don't die.

Do you have other examples of where people pushed the conversation away from true wolfhunting and who is to be accused of that most?

 

[Dinashadow]

I'm tired as heck, but I was thinking it might be helpful if we have everyone post their top 3 wolf reads tomorrow and compare/look for inconsistencies

 

[kraskadva]

I'm worried about how much information is being put into chat to drive the direction away from the wolves and towards suspecting villagers. Similar to your comment just now regarding my word choice when I'm merely trying to say to have a goodnight and that I hope I don't die.

This game, in this online format, is nothing but analysis of word choice, so it really shouldn't be unexpected

 

[supershorty]

Do you have other examples of where people pushed the conversation away from true wolfhunting and who is to be accused of that most?

I'm going to bed because I'm getting really pissy, but not appreciating this since it implies that's what I was doing.

My top 3 wolf reads at this point are Lainey, Ace, and Alley. I still could lean wolf on kras.

Good night, folks. rage!shorty out.

 

[LaineyLou]

I just evaluated dina in depth since post one and all my quotes dissappeared. i quit life. i spent so much time on that.


Bottom line after going through things i think shes a weak village lean because my theory would have worked a lot better is msp had flipped wolf which they didnt. Now im more inclined to believe she is village

im sad.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I'm going to bed because I'm getting really pissy, but not appreciating this since it implies that's what I was doing.

My top 3 wolf reads at this point are Lainey, Ace, and Alley. I still could lean wolf on kras.

Good night, folks. rage!shorty out.

I'm not agreeing with his statement, just trying to get some more info out of him.

 

[alleycat03]

Reads

Village
Shorty- my strongest village read. She’s been leading the village and hunting for wolves, and if she is a wolf somehow, she is an extreme power wolf.

Cray- also very pro-village. Definitely seems like her 100% typical village meta.


Lean village
sunshinefl-early Genny vote, seems like her village meta, not a lot has stood out to me otherwise but she is wolf hunting.

April- Genny voter, is wolf hunting, but I dont want to be too biased since I like her as a person and she tricked me as a wolf last game. I thought her tone was different from all of the previous games (so her wolfing game last time and the village games before it), but I think it has to do more with Ace playing and people susing her for being associated with him



Neutral
Vis-Genny vote, giant wall posts, but hasn’t been super actively wolf hunting like she usually does

Dina- still not super familiar with her gameplay, but the way she is pushing for reads and is actively trying to identify suspicious players, she definitely appears to be wolf hunting

Please- nothing is sticking out to me as wolfy behavior, but I don’t have any solid village points for her either. She seem to be a villager, but there’s definitely still some fluff there.



Lean wolf-
Kras- like always, I feel very confused on how to read her. She has been very busy IRL but she is posting about as often as she posted when wolfing and slightly less than when she was a villager, so I think that is NAI.

Wolf
Lainey- it’s been addressed over and over, but she is playing the “I’m a noob card” in an over the top manner. Her posts close to yeet deadline were definitely interesting, and she has plenty of sass. Unfortunately for her, the more she posts, the more I think she’s lupine.

Ace- my opinion on him keeps flip-flopping on just how wolfy he is. Some posts ping my wolfdar extremely noticeably, but then he makes a comment that doesn’t exactly go along with something a wolf would do. He’s kind of changed the way he’s playing, but I started to sus him yet again when he says stuff along the lines of “if I survive the night” when it’s highly unlikely he’ll be killed tonight. He’s definitely someone I suspect who went too hard on the wolfiness and is trying to reign it in but keeps slipping up.

 

[sunshinefl]

Wow I fell asleep at like 9:20 or whatever waiting for yeet deadline. I can't believe everyone switched to Ms. P over Lainey and I will definitely bel looking at the people who drove that swing. Lainey was the better choice and I'm a little pissed that happened.

#### unvote Ace ####

###vote MsP ####

I'm ok with this flip and if a wolf I want to be on it

This is a really weird thing to say Cray. why do you need to make sure you're on it IF she's a wolf to get village cred. Just super weird. You should vote based off thinking she's a wolf, not wanting to be there in case she is. Just wow.

Pretty sure you were on Lainey, not Ace, unless my tally has been wrong all day @Crayola227

Balls

### unvote Lainey ###

###$vote Ms P ####

Someone in the thread recently (day 3 cycle) pointed out that not remembering your vote is likely wolfy because it shows you weren't really attached to it and one villager for another is whatever to you. It may have even been you cray who said that. Now you show up late, forget who you voted for, want credit "in case" Ms P is a wolf. This is all super sus.

If Ms P is a misyeet, and then if any of Kras, Lainey, Ace are, then remember this moment and why we're such butt holes about people exhibiting pro-village behavior. Being a villager and then playing a certain sus way forces people to have to misvote you to learn your affiliation and it's very unproductive.

Talk about hedging. This is exactly what you're doing here.

Damn!!! I really thought they were sus... okay now to analyzing y’all more in depth

Ugh.

Well, fudge, this is what happens when villagers don't play like villagers. I feel like my Tacobell trip made me miss a lot. Got even more catching up to do now

I'm just overall annoyed at people driving the misyeet acting like oh gee golly. Just rubs me the wrong way.

Well... this is quite unfortunate. I did not feel strong enough to yeet MsP yet. Apologies for being away due to work and getting dinner. By the time we got back it was 1 minute till close. The votes I saw before I left were leaning towards Lainey which I supported... I have to catch up to find out why the sudden switch occured

Why is Ace suddenly the most reasonable person. I too would like to figure out how this switched.

I know this sucks, but I still feel pretty good about our village block and we still have a few people in the POE to focus on next.

Most notably is Lainey, Ace, +/- alley, +/- kras

Well I did feel good until some of my village block drove this misyeet. Now I'm going to be like Cray in sus'ing 75%.

While greatly hoping that I live through another night, I look forward to having some really solid discussions with you guys tomorrow. I know I will have a good portion of the day to help work as a team to figure this out. Unfortunately I am currently way too tired to stay up much later following the insane day at the clinic that I walked into and the large amount of taco bell I just consumed...

This post just gave me more wolfy vibes. Specifically the bolded part, for the same reason that I took issue the last time Ace said this.

You are not a logical choice for NK given that you're in the POE. If you are village, you're still a relatively easy misyeet.

May I ask why? I am seriously just trying to say goodnight and that I look forward to working together to try and figure this out tomorrow

Bro you are on almost everyone's sus list. The wolves will not kill you even if you do happen to be village. You would be a really dumb choice.

 

[sunshinefl]

working on updating my spreadsheet is just making me angry. I have lost trust in so many of you.

 

[sunshinefl]

Current reads in order

Spoiler: spreadsheet

Spoiler: abridged yeet progression

 

[Crayola227]

So then what are your reads on the (still living) people who were on his wagon, with that in mind?

(If it helps, his wagon at max vote count was Sloth, Please, myself, Dina, Alley, and MsP)

You say this, and despite the players we know to be village, the rest I'm not so sure of.

Not loving the Ace wagon is all

 

[sunshinefl]

I sus Lainey somewhat more and for longer, but Cray has so many people reading her village and she is getting more and more sus. I doubt I'll live to see it through (unlike Ace), but I want others to take it more seriously and I want more pressure there, so

YEET Cray

 

[Crayola227]

I’ll have to go back and find your exact post but you did state that. It seems as if you’re trying to change your story.

Nope. You misinterpreted. WZ didn't.

 

[Crayola227]

I sus Lainey somewhat more and for longer, but Cray has so many people reading her village and she is getting more and more sus. I doubt I'll live to see it through (unlike Ace), but I want others to take it more seriously and I want more pressure there, so

YEET Cray

Seriously???

I just don't even.

 

[Crayola227]

Here’s where cray states this. Idk if it matters that much I just wanted to make sure the statement was correct

Yep. I said I was first to call out genny as sus. I did not say she was the first person I ever called out.

You are confused or you are looking to create confusion where none exists.

 

[Crayola227]

Sunny this is idiotic and you're just giving the wolves an opening to yeet me rather than a NK.

The basis for this is weak. I would look at Dina or Shorty, they also had some sus vote movements.

 

[sunshinefl]

I don’t think Cray would bus Sloth this early for no reason so they’re not W/W.

I would move to April if it wasn't a tie

Who wants to come with?

###unvote visc ###$

@PhiloslothicalStudent cray might make a last sec tie!!

It took all my willpower not to touch the tie

.....hmmm.... took note of these while trying to figure out Genny--> AM---> WZ relationships (friend vs foe)

Genny trying to get Cred with/for Cray? Or Genny trying to help a packmate (I had/still have Cray weak village but just something to think about)
Genny throwing shad on WZ? Should I move her out of ??? to weak village between this and WZ voting on Genny?

this post was quoting genny I may need to look for that for this to make sense

genny said:
Besides the brief ones I posted earlier? Sure.

AM is doing the bare minimum to stay just on the village side of neutral. Cray sounds village. You sound village.

Vis hasn't been as aggressive as I'd expect for village. April's bf says she's wolfy. Dina seems awful lurky, which she has been in the past as a wolf.

Dubz isn't village, but good luck yeeting her if she's a wolf.

okay some tinfoil here before I actually read/react catch up....

-Cray in breadsticks said to me in wolf chat to avoid being anywhere close to a tie
-Cray in emoji defended her tie that got 2 villagers yeeted by saying it was an accident and that if she were a wolf she would pay much closer attention to avoiding ties
-Cray yesterday sat on a Visc vote with Genny, and then unyeeted Visc with a few minutes to go and begged someone else to move to April with her to avoid a tie
-I didn't put Sloth into wolfy until after yeet writeup. I was previously neutral on her and thought she could help yeet Genny if we needed. Sloth and Cray were active and on and posting in the minutes leading up to yeet.
-I posted after Genny yeet about Genny saying Cray was okay and Dina was lurking like a wolf and wondering how we should think of those now
-Cray dismissed those Genny remarks

...... I think I need to move Cray to ??? as I check more and hear others' thoughts about it

(edited to some more clarity in case you read within 2 minutes of me posting)

Spoiler: current spreadsheet

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*I know I said here that Cray and Sloth couldn't be pack mates so I need to think about that with the Cray tinfoil

Spoiler: abridged yeet votes

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-in regards to thinking the remaining pack in noobs and the continued AM/WZ NK discussion, it could either have been suggested by Genny in wolf chat as she was going down to give them a chance, or it could have been for any number of reasons (Kras/AM, Cray/AM, Lainey/AM etc come to mind offhand.)

Another thing, when I originally posted the Cray tinfoil, I full believed sloth was a wolf. Now, in light of the sloth flip, there is no more discordance with my "cray and sloth not together" notes.

I know and we can leave her for now, but I can't shake being edgy about Cray. Like later in the game if we're down to where we know theres 1 wolf left and we're just stumped, I would not be able to take her to the end. (unless we get the whole wolf pack before that and it never comes to that).

Cray did say that BUT she is also actively throwing shade on almost everyone. That's more than just not advertising her village block.

oh I agree... it's just kinda hard to analyze her by her sketch reads when everyone is making her sketch.

I'm pretty sure there's still one more not so noob wolf. I'd be looking in the direction of Cray (cause that ace switch was weird) or Dina. I'm leaning more towards Dina. I'm also leaning towards ace as a newbie wolf based on his interaction with april D1. Much easier to go after someone you know.

Looking at this I only have one wolf read on Ace with me, and all the rest on MsP. Don't know how to feel about that.

*except she was on Lainey

This is a really weird thing to say Cray. why do you need to make sure you're on it IF she's a wolf to get village cred. Just super weird. You should vote based off thinking she's a wolf, not wanting to be there in case she is. Just wow.


Someone in the thread recently (day 3 cycle) pointed out that not remembering your vote is likely wolfy because it shows you weren't really attached to it and one villager for another is whatever to you. It may have even been you cray who said that. Now you show up late, forget who you voted for, want credit "in case" Ms P is a wolf. This is all super sus.


Talk about hedging. This is exactly what you're doing here.

There Be Basics WW 2021 these are from my post here for the in context cray quotes

 

[Crayola227]

I know and we can leave her for now, but I can't shake being edgy about Cray. Like later in the game if we're down to where we know theres 1 wolf left and we're just stumped, I would not be able to take her to the end. (unless we get the whole wolf pack before that and it never comes to that).

But you could take Kras to the end?

 

[sunshinefl]

But you could take Kras to the end?

not if there is a wolf unaccounted for.

 

[Crayola227]

Cray did say that BUT she is also actively throwing shade on almost everyone. That's more than just not advertising her village block.

So if I see a post and have a thought, I'll share it. Say "this looks wolfy."

But when I list people I want to vote it's pretty consistent.

You haven't noticed there are a few people that at no point have I brought up voting them?