There Be Basics WW 2021

[Crayola227]

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"More jokey and upbeat" than what? You haven't seen me village, so what are you comparing to?

Dubz calls out alley.

 

[Crayola227]

Currently also susing zenge based on how he is wording his posts, more specifically seems like he's trying to play it safe and play the neutral arbitrary that makes people point at others and not at him.

Ace's reads list are like it's opposite day where he only susses the most villagery players, and the scummiest he reads village. These lists are like noob wolf psychology 101.

 

[supershorty]

Yeet Ace
Let's see that flip... or if the wagon magically disappears again...

I'm not sure how this sits with me given that there are, IMO, 2 much stronger wolf reads who I think we should focus on yeeting before Ace.

I know shorty is trying to be kinder and gentler to Ace today, but I'm surprised she let this go. This reads to me like Ace is stepping up to the podium for a Q&A session, instead of making his own contributions and driving the conversation forward himself *again*.

You answered this yourself later on in this very post, I didn't let it go lol

I agree that would be pretty ballsy if she was a wolf.

This is why I'm beginning to think that she's a wolf and he's not, but is an easy misyeet because he acted so anti-village for so long.

I understood your point about Zenge's tone change and was ready to see it in Ace if you outlined it, but honestly I still don't see it. If anything this makes me feel worse about him.

It's not as clear as what happened with Zenge. I just observed some similarity - but it could also be explained as a wolf realizing that he went too far and needs to back off a little to avoid getting caught. I still have Ace as a weak wolf read, I just can't quite figure out the pack dynamic based on who my current strong reads are and on their interactions with him.

So I just got done doing some reading at MafiaScum wiki. I think us villagers need to come together and decide who we are lynching and put the pressure on, and eliminate the scummiest (wolfiest) players one after another.

Lainey, MsP, Alley, Ace, and Kras look the worst to me.

I'd love to hear from them which of the suspects on the above list should be voted off the island first.

I agree with this strategy. IMO, I think MsP should be the one to go first. Reason: my strongest wolf reads at this point are her and Lainey, and based on numbers alone there could be either 2 or 3 wolves left in this game. I have strong reads on both of them, but my thinking behind yeeting MsP first is that she's the much more experienced player of the 2 of them and therefore more likely to be dangerous to village (in terms of the choices they make on NK). However, if everyone else feels strongly about Lainey going first, I would be comfortable putting my vote there.

well I wonder what AM is saying about Kras in dead chat and if she is very disappointed in us right now.

I feel like this is a given.

Wanted to revisit these thoughts on shorty.

I got fed up with noobs really fast after that, if it helps your revisitation.

Coming off this vote at this time like this a lil sus.

Genuine question - why? It was a salt vote from the Emojis game. When IS the right time to pull a salt vote?

Ok, but this was a nice move. Can't remember if Shorty stayed on genny.

I didn't, which was a mistake. I came off genny after sloth had posted those sketchy reads lists and I started really going after them because I thought that was wolfy, particularly how the list changed and where genny moved to with the revised list.

What do you think about Please now?

I have Please as weak village. She doesn't contribute as much content as some other posters, but I haven't seen a lot of wolfy behavior either. I haven't ISOed her though and I have time today, so I could do that.

Going to post updated reads list separate from this post.

 

[Crayola227]

🤔

Unyeet MsP

genny's wagon has stalled for most of the day which makes me think she might be a bad yeet

yeet April

Made a tie inviting someone to break it. Wolfy.

Edit: wrong. Made it one short of a tie.

 

[Crayola227]

Does anything happen to you if you yeet wrong?

Weird question.

 

[Crayola227]

*****keeping an eye on these*****

April (5) - alleycat, Acehunter, AM, genny, Dina

genny (6) - Zenge, sunshinefl, April, Viscernable, DubZ, LaineyLou

With how close it came, really wondering if Lainey was for sure a bus attempt.

 

[Crayola227]

Why AM and not Dina? I think I remember you giving reasoning for sloth earlier, but if I recall correctly your village read of Dina was mostly tonal. I agree that her tone seems village and similar to last game, but we’ve only played one game with her so personally I’m not inclined to put much stock in my ability to read her. You mentioned that you find AM sus on baseline based on her aggression. If that’s why you’re reading her as more wolfy than Dina, I think you should reconsider. Village AM is aggressive, too, as you experienced last game lmao. AM was always neutral on genny and sus of april from what I have in my notes, so her voting April feels a bit less worrisome to me than Dina, who was sus of April but also reading genny wolfy.

The more I read the more I feel a Lainey-Dina connection that worries me.

 

[Crayola227]

genny/kras interactions & mentions



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God reading this it's hard not to conclude Kras was working with genny.

 

[supershorty]

Updated reads:

I really only have 1 strong village read right now and that's Cray. She's been actively wolfhunting this entire time and what I've seen is very typical for village!Cray.

Weak village:
April - because I still have a wolfish read on Ace, I don't love how she's protected him. However, she hasn't had a lot of moments separate from those that struck me as wolfy, and I can see their relationship status causing her to want to help him since he's brand new.

Sunshine - has been somewhat hedgy, but that's not all that atypical for sunshine. Some points for the genny vote.

Vissy - not much activity D1 to judge compared to some others, but D2/D3 activity up more and seem like wolfhunting. Changed D1 vote from April to genny with a few hours left before yeet.

Please - hasn't contributed a ton of content relative to some others, but hasn't really done anything that's given me wolf twinges either. Fair amount of echoing. Planning to ISO her today.

Dina - didn't come out of D1 looking very good, particularly with the last minute vote switch onto April. However, since then, has been wolf hunting.

Neutral/Unsure:
I really don't know where kras fits into all of this. I need to ISO her today too. I don't get strong pro-village feelings from her.

Wolfy (ranked from most wolfy to least wolfy):
MsP - anti-village play with basically not playing, willingness to make the tie when she did show up makes me think that the tie was much more likely to be 2 villagers (especially given Sloth's flip) and that we were going to misyeet Ace because he's been sketch as heck. Even if MsP had died in the tie as a wolf, it still would have been a net loss for village if I'm right with this idea and Sloth/Ace was v/v. She's much more experienced than my other wolf reads and that's why I think she should be the next one to go.

Lainey - I think Lainey is overplaying the noob hand way too much. I put a lot of detail into her ISO that I did yesterday that I think shows it pretty well.

Ace - after yesterday, I am undecided on whether I think Ace is actually wolfing or if he's a super noob who didn't really grasp the concept of this being a team game. He was SO sketchy for D1/D2 and I have a really hard time letting go of that. However, what makes me lean away from his wolf read just a little bit are his interactions with Lainey yesterday - it doesn't seem like a cohesive pack dynamic. I'm unwilling to throw out this read based solely on those, but I'm keeping it in mind. I have flipping Ace as a lower priority than MsP or Lainey at this point.

Alley - I still think that Alley potentially could be a wolf, but with low play and not a ton to go on, I have a harder time coming to a solid wolf read on her.

 

[Crayola227]

I find it hard to believe genny forgot to interact with one of her partners all day (until this borderline off-topic debauchery). That, in addition to backing Zenge up which she had the stronghold on the genny yeet, makes me want to move her out of the immediate POE. Taking please off.

Oh God I don't know what to do with this.

 

[Crayola227]

Anyway, if there's a bus on genny, Lou is the only candidate. I don't see any other wolves on her the way the wagon formed and what time she voted/first called out genny.

She can stay in my POE for the singular deep wolf. I want the powerwolves gone first though.

I'm willing to backburner Lou for now based on this. Becoming very sus of Dina, Kras, Please, I think if they are wolves it will be more damaging and if we're wrong hopefully we have a chance to see what's up with Ace or MsP.

 

[supershorty]

I'm willing to backburner Lou for now based on this.

Cray, I know you're going through the thread from the start based on what quotes you're pulling so you'll get to what I'm about to mention, but I just wanted to express my disagreement with this idea because Lainey's contributions D2/D3 moved her WAY up on my wolf reads.

 

[Crayola227]

Subtle agreement with genny, says she doesn't plan on keeping her vote on April but ended up staying on it the entire time







More agreement with genny



Alley's reasoning for voting april and staying on april is that her tone seems different this game, which I thought was strange because she wolfed last game so shouldn't her tone be different this game if she's village?

Alley is sketchballs too.

 

[Crayola227]

It seems strange how much she is trying to defend you... am I the only one who feels this way?

I see the issues with April and Shorty.

Given the D1 vote, I am more concerned about Shorty. She seems village sounding, but K am wondering if she's just working very hard and going after "low hanging fruit."

 

[Crayola227]

Balls. Only got through to page 21. I have to sleep guys.

I just really want to have discussion from everyone happen, stir the pot.

 

[supershorty]

Given the D1 vote, I am more concerned about Shorty.

I have to admit that I haven't fully understood why a couple of people have gotten hung up on my D1 vote and talked about it like I switched off genny at the last second. I pressed genny, but I changed my vote to Sloth hours before yeet close after they posted their sketchy reads list (and revised reads list) - so I changed from a wolf read to another wolf read (even though we now know that it was wrong) - but we didn't know that then and I had provided evidence of why I was switching.

Cray, you ended up not having a vote on D1 at all because you pulled yours and never replaced it ...

I'll be curious to see what your thoughts are when/if you get a chance to read the rest of the thread because I found that my reads of people from D1 changed quite a bit on D2/D3 as more people started to participate. Particularly Dina.

Edit: sweet jesus, my grammatical choices pre-caffeine are horrifying. Fixing.

 

[alleycat03]

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Genny caught that Please didn't unyeet first.

Sometimes I think someone forgets to unvote first, because they have that little attachment to the vote. Meaning they're a wolf and there's nk conviction behind it. Iirc this slip has actually found us a wolf before. Not foolproof because villagers make the mistake too. But catching a wolf can be 100 little things all together.

Would genny usually point that out though? As a wolf, I don't think she would want to draw attention to a mistake made by her packmate. This is probably WIFOM territory I guess, and this is the first time I have played with wolf genny, so I might be overanalyzing her posts post-flip. I'm not defending please, I just don't know if forgetting to unvote is really AI or just a simple mistake.

 

[Crayola227]

Would genny usually point that out though? As a wolf, I don't think she would want to draw attention to a mistake made by her packmate. This is probably WIFOM territory I guess, and this is the first time I have played with wolf genny, so I might be overanalyzing her posts post-flip. I'm not defending please, I just don't know if forgetting to unvote is really AI or just a simple mistake.

Forgetting to unvote *could* be AI, context matters. Where you might see it would be a late fake bus attempt, to get towncred for voting a wolf in a way that wouldn't count. Not happening here exactly, but it is a thing.

Yes, genny might point that out on a packmate because *someone* was likely to catch that anyway, and she would want to at least leave some interacts however slight behind.

It's not a great point, but a thought I had.

 

[alleycat03]

So I just got done doing some reading at MafiaScum wiki. I think us villagers need to come together and decide who we are lynching and put the pressure on, and eliminate the scummiest (wolfiest) players one after another.

Lainey, MsP, Alley, Ace, and Kras look the worst to me.

Dear God, after reading the articles I can see why AM has Kras as a policy yeet.

I have some idea who I think is villagiest, and I'd love to hear from them which of the suspects on the above list should be voted off the island first.

Do we think the wagon on Ace dissolved because he has scum buddies?

Where is @Ms Procrastinator ?

I know I'm also on your sus list, but I am agreeing with your logic here. As villagers, we need to coordinate better and eliminate our top wolf suspects one by one.

A lot of Ace's posts have been anti-village, but I do wonder if he is just a noob who needs to learn the ropes and is now being pushed as an easy misyeet candidate. I am not a huge fan of the little back-and-forth with him and shorty, but I think it's good that shorty was pressing him to give reasons behind his reads lists, and I think that will help him improve his WW game and hopefully he is more pro-village moving forward.

For Lainey, I think she is playing up the "I'm a noob" angle. Sometimes she acts very knowledgeable and coached, sometimes she asks questions that she really should've known from the last game. However, since she didn't last long in the previous game, I feel like some of these are genuine questions and some might be planted as her way of playing like shorty did as a wolf in the noob game and are just her milking that noob position.

MsP is my wolfiest candidate right now. She is being concerningly antivillage. I know we were both in a similar spot with few posts close to the yeet deadline on Monday, but I've tried to stay caught up on thread and contributed (like I'm doing now), and she has been MIA yet again. If she is a wolf, taking her out will likely hinder the wolf pack, as the other wolves are likely noob players under her guidance. If she is not a wolf, we are still yeeting someone that is not helping the village, so I feel like it is better to yeet her before the other players that appear to be lupine.

Kras has been flying under the radar for me this game. Maybe she made a lot of posts in the pages I missed, but I honestly forgot she was playing for a bit there. I don't feel comfortable putting her as a villager or as a wolf quite yet. I plan on ISOing her posts, but I don't have time to do that yet.

Shorty and Cray are my strongest village reads just because of the sheer amount of wolf hunting they have both done. I know I got tricked by Dubz with this in the last game, so I am still being cautious, but for now I feel comfortable placing them both in village.

 

[alleycat03]

So I just got done doing some reading at MafiaScum wiki. I think us villagers need to come together and decide who we are lynching and put the pressure on, and eliminate the scummiest (wolfiest) players one after another.

Lainey, MsP, Alley, Ace, and Kras look the worst to me.

Dear God, after reading the articles I can see why AM has Kras as a policy yeet.

Can you elaborate on why Kras should be a policy yeet? Is it because she does not do enough to help the village, or is there another reason from the articles?

 

[alleycat03]

Forgetting to unvote *could* be AI, context matters. Where you might see it would be a late fake bus attempt, to get towncred for voting a wolf in a way that wouldn't count. Not happening here exactly, but it is a thing.

Yes, genny might point that out on a packmate because *someone* was likely to catch that anyway, and she would want to at least leave some interacts however slight behind.

It's not a great point, but a thought I had.

Thank you for the clarification, and I will make note of that for Please's gameplay. From what I can tell, Genny has a lot of experience with WW, so I am sure she was extremely careful with her interactions. I don't want to read too much into something that appears insignificant, but I also understand your point, and I think I should revisit this if anything else from Please stands out to me as wolfy.

 

[alleycat03]

Yeet MsP

See my explanation above, I didn't want my vote to get lost in the long post earlier.

I have to go take 1 exam and prepare for another one, so I'll be around but I'm pretty busy today.

 

[Dinashadow]

This post to come in and declare Dubz and the rest of us villagey, especially right on tails of Dubz sussint Dina, reads kinda funny to me. Very wolf like reaction to have. And Dina also brought up some sus of me somewhere that felt almost in response to mine.

Mostly I don't want Dubz sus of Dina to be forgotten, but I wasn't going to say anything unless on review posts got to me.

Not trying to undo the village bloc that feels like it's forming, but want to continually reassess and encourage other players to as well.

@Dinashadow can I get an updated reads list from you as well?

I have to go do IRL things soon but I'll try to get through some of the posts

I wouldn't say dubz is good at reading me and honestly I don't think she's ever correctly read me as village when we were both village. So not sure how much stock you want to put in that

Wolfy:
MsP
Lainey

Weak Wolfy:
Ace
Alley - really hard to get a good read on because she's having issues IRL and isn't posting as much. I'm a little concerned about Lainey leaving alley off her reads list. If Lainey is a wolf I can see her forgetting her wolf partner when she's fabricating reads.

I still haven't abandoned the idea that at least one wolf was on April's yeet and these two are the contenders for that

Neutral:
Kras - ??? due to her usual play style, her posting tone seems different than last game
Cray - Playing village, but not to be underestimated for power wolfing potential

Soft Village reads:
Shorty - following along with everything she's saying. Either very village or powerwolfing pro
Please - AM took her out of her POE before she died and I've been following along with her posts. Her reads have been making sense to me. Willing to re-evaluate


Heavy village reads:
Sunny
Visc
April

These are due to placements on genny's D1 yeet. I'm not sure why people are throwing sus on Sunny and Visc (and even April) in particular and it sets me on edge tbh

 

[Crayola227]

Can you elaborate on why Kras should be a policy yeet? Is it because she does not do enough to help the village, or is there another reason from the articles?

Not only is she minimally helpful to village, her typical play is full of stuff that usually wolves do. I can't tell any good way to tell from her play actions what her affiliation is.

 

[Acehunter123]

Sorry for the interruption in my posts. I got a migraine yesterday with all of the construction and passed out for a few hours. I was going to add more today, but my boss just called me in to help cover a shift that two of my coworkers are now out sick for. It was supposed to be one of my days off for school, but they are really pinched and were willing to take any hours I could lend them so I will not be home for a while. Likely going to be a late night and I am not sure when I will be getting back or able to see the chat next as I don't get breaks at my job until whenever the shift finishes. I will re-evaluate later if able, however, for the sake of time and to avoid the possibility of not getting a vote in before close tonight my best suspicion as outlined yesterday is still Yeet Lainey. May change later after potential re-evaluation but unlikely as of currently to change.

 

[kaydubs]

Migraines suck. My condolences

 

[Crayola227]

If MsP is village, her play is deeply disappointing. I would like her to come on and defend her sketchball actions last night.

 

[kaydubs]

On Day 3, We're Shufflin' Yeet Tally

Acehunter (2) - sunshine, kras
MsP (4) - April, supershorty, Dina, alley
LaineyLou (4) - Viscernable, vetschools, Crayola, Acehunter

10/12

Leading: ---

Missing: @Ms Procrastinator @LaineyLou

Yeet/Vote closes at 10pm Eastern, TODAY, Wednesday, 2/10/2021 (~10 HOURS)

 

[supershorty]

Going back and ISOing kras really didn't give me a better read on her, which doesn't give me a great feeling. The ratio of vague posts to analysis is pretty skewed, and I'd like to know more about her current vote choice versus some of the others. I'm starting to like breaking up my ISOs by organizing pulled quotes into blocks like I did with the last couple, so I'll try to do that again here, but it's harder because I'm not that clear on my read of kras.

Spoiler: Early vague posts

Okiedokie...
I see the vis and April suspicions but don't know that I agree with them yet. Also dubz enthusiasm is marked.
Otherwise I'm just seeing chatter and jokes so far. POE is broad...

It started as a joke, but I think imma leave my vote where it is on dubz for now. There's something there.

I would have liked more elaboration on this, but it never came.

Fo sho, you should vote for your wolf reads, but even village deaths give info. Saying you don't want to waste it feels like you're trying to coordinate pack votes

I don't twitch at semantics arguments, but I sometimes think they're not the most productive either.

Tone, what she's choosing to respond to, feelz...
I need to go run errands, but remind me later and I'll try to pull quotes

For some reason, I thought that quotes were not pulled on this, but I see that I have them pulled further down in this ISO so I guess they were.

In general so far, it kinda feels like many people are trying to switch up their meta, or still establishing one, so there's a lot of static for me in what's been posted so far.

Genny's being a tisch more jokey and chaotic that usual, but nothing that's stuck out to me as particularly sus yet
Dubz is definitely excited to be here...but whether to read that through genny's lens of possibly 3P role, or as any of the potentially NAI reasons April listed, IDK yet
Cray feels the most normal, typical meta, village!cray out of anybody

I'm not gonna hard line call this sus, cuz I think it can go anywhich way with Dubz, esp on D1, but the off again on again pressure she's putting on different folks, the jokes that are #srsnotsrs, and general feelz is just that there's something non-vanilla going on there

Cray - reading village to me, but if anyone would know to off AM & Dubz N1 as a wolf, it would be her, so not totally in the clear there
Sloth - v quiet...
Dina - IDK, tough for me to read, but not sticking out as sus to me
Shorty - sounds like genuine wolfhunting
Alley - also v quiet...

Would have liked more detail on these reads and reads on other people

nice!April is nice, but NAI

I thought this was really interesting to say because April had been super active on the thread to this point, it wasn't like she had just popped in and was being nice to noobs. It seemed avoidant to me.

I've had a total of like an hour and a half over this day cycle to read 7+ pages of posts, so don't have real strong feelings on anyone at the moment. Trying desperately to catch up and get some feelz so I can get a vote in in the next hour

Spoiler: Things where I didn't follow the logic

This logic makes sense to me, so I'm curious to see a sloth flip ... and then look closer at Zenge and Cray if he's village, since they're my strongest village reads at the moment.

I found this interesting because Zenge was pretty clearly strong village from the get go - even if sloth flipped village, given how hard Z went after genny for the entirety of D1, I don't know that I would feel like I needed to reevaluate my read on him based on Sloth.

I always find the first couple of days to be the hardest to get a read on anybody - there's a lot of people, a lot of jokes, and for many not enough content to get a good read on. It isn't until there are a solid cohort of deaths to anchor some things that I feel like I can start putting the pieces together

D1 is difficult, but as we've seen in this very game, D1 can get a wolf too. This feels avoidant coming from a more experienced player like kras and it gives me the willies.

Careful with that though... early salt votes are v village

Or wolf passing as village...

Jayzus... caught up finally.

Ok, reads in rough order...

Wolfy
Ace - after yesterday, very sus. Maybe noob, but
Lainey - Other's have pointed out many sketch bits, but the one below just feels totally off to me
MsP - That was an awfully quick catch up...

???
Dina - Feels like wolfhunting, but distrust
Alley - Not here enough to get a good read
Shorty - mix of wolf hunting and rage!shorty feels a bit manufactured, but not sure
Plz - IDK, nothing's jumping out to me either way

Village - all feel like village!* meta to me
Vis
Sunshine
April
Cray

I don't take issue with this reads list, but looking at it and at the reasoning listed for the wolf reads, I'm not sure I totally follow why kras is voting Ace over Lainey or MsP.

Yeet Ace
Let's see that flip... or if the wagon magically disappears again...

I don't know. I feel like I have stronger wolf reads on other people who have been much more openly wolfy, but I'm not comfortable reading kras as village at this point either.

 

[Dinashadow]

Trying to decide if Visc is whiteknighting Alley or packmate defense. Feels like Visc is taking some issue with my comment about Alley maybe being wolfbait.

How do you feel about Please and Vis now?

We used a associatives and concluded sloth might be genny's packmate and we were wrong, I'm wondering if this should help clear Visc or not.

I think we should clear Visc because of her vote place on genny. Not sure if you're extra paranoid rn or a wolf trying to throw shade on Visc and sunny who should honestly be off the POE. I agree with you we should try to vote as a village bloc, but you sus'ing my heavy village reads is making me nervous that you're trying to dismantle it

It doesn't matter now she's dead, but noting this to see if quotes materialized.

I think kras did post them because Visc was asking a few days ago too

Whiteknighting? Dina doesn't come out looking great D1 so far. Hope to compare with D2 as I go.

Not sure if you can call it whiteknighting when you try to yeet them the next day

Sloth calling out Dina

For voting for MsP, who will still don't know if she's a wolf or not and still hasn't been modkilled because she's just barely meeting requirements. And still has done basically zero things to show she's village

 

[Acehunter123]

Ace's reads list are like it's opposite day where he only susses the most villagery players, and the scummiest he reads village. These lists are like noob wolf psychology 101.

I will admit sussing Zenge was not a good call, similar to my original sussing of April as well. Even looking retrospectively, I cannot fathom why I originally thought that especially with so many others that seemed more suspicious at the time. I'm curious what your opinion is on the most recent list that I formed? (Including the correction of April to village yesterday). Note: I wish I had more time currently to add more information to back up the list, but that will have to wait until much later when I get home.

 

[supershorty]

Oops, forgot kras' vote history at the bottom of her ISO.

D1: Dubz (vote placed >30 hours before yeet close)
D2: Sloth (vote placed 1 hour, 40 minutes before yeet close)

 

[Dinashadow]

Kras feels lined up against Dubz here, and I can totally see Kras knowing that the only hope and prayer should would have to make it to endgame with genny gone, is with Dubz and AM dead.

When I wolf I never let any possible NK plans stop me from openly sussing someone on thread. I could explain, but I like the WIFOM to be there, and I always hope to get lucky that village will off them for me. So this could be a wolf Kras thing.

This is an interesting point about Kras

 

[Dinashadow]

Ace's reads list are like it's opposite day where he only susses the most villagery players, and the scummiest he reads village. These lists are like noob wolf psychology 101.

Yeah one thing I'm still stuck on regarding ace is that he went from tunnelling april and in some regards shorty and then he almost got yeeted and the next day starts making completely different reads that align more with the status quo

I'm not sure how this sits with me given that there are, IMO, 2 much stronger wolf reads who I think we should focus on yeeting before Ace.


You answered this yourself later on in this very post, I didn't let it go lol

This is why I'm beginning to think that she's a wolf and he's not, but is an easy misyeet because he acted so anti-village for so long.

It's not as clear as what happened with Zenge. I just observed some similarity - but it could also be explained as a wolf realizing that he went too far and needs to back off a little to avoid getting caught. I still have Ace as a weak wolf read, I just can't quite figure out the pack dynamic based on who my current strong reads are and on their interactions with him.


I agree with this strategy. IMO, I think MsP should be the one to go first. Reason: my strongest wolf reads at this point are her and Lainey, and based on numbers alone there could be either 2 or 3 wolves left in this game. I have strong reads on both of them, but my thinking behind yeeting MsP first is that she's the much more experienced player of the 2 of them and therefore more likely to be dangerous to village (in terms of the choices they make on NK). However, if everyone else feels strongly about Lainey going first, I would be comfortable putting my vote there.

Just quoting this because I agree with a lot of the points being made regarding MsP and ace and I think a MsP flip might help with the ace issue

The more I read the more I feel a Lainey-Dina connection that worries me.

If the connection is me wanting to yeet her, then you're right on

I really only have 1 strong village read right now and that's Cray. She's been actively wolfhunting this entire time and what I've seen is very typical for village!Cray.

Why cray and not Visc or Sunny or even April? You make a good point that I quoted below that she didn't even put a vote down D1 but after wanted to point out that she was one of the first questioning genny.

I agree she's very actively wolf hunting and I don't want to believe she's wolfing this game, but be careful is essentially where I'm going. Cray is a good player both as a villager and a wolf.

I have to admit that I haven't fully understood why a couple of people have gotten hung up on my D1 vote and talked about it like I switched off genny at the last second. I pressed genny, but I changed my vote to Sloth hours before yeet close after they posted their sketchy reads list (and revised reads list) - so I changed from a wolf read to another wolf read (even though we now know that it was wrong) - but we didn't know that then and I had provided evidence of why I was switching.

Cray, you ended up not having a vote on D1 at all because you pulled yours and never replaced it ...

I'll be curious to see what your thoughts are when/if you get a chance to read the rest of the thread because I found that my reads of people from D1 changed quite a bit on D2/D3 as more people started to participate. Particularly Dina.

Edit: sweet jesus, my grammatical choices pre-caffeine are horrifying. Fixing.

Would genny usually point that out though? As a wolf, I don't think she would want to draw attention to a mistake made by her packmate. This is probably WIFOM territory I guess, and this is the first time I have played with wolf genny, so I might be overanalyzing her posts post-flip. I'm not defending please, I just don't know if forgetting to unvote is really AI or just a simple mistake.

you'll find genny loves to sow lots of WIFOM before she's yeeted as a wolf. It's one of her strengths and means that even though we got her D1 there's still going to be a challenge for us going forward.

Shorty and Cray are my strongest village reads just because of the sheer amount of wolf hunting they have both done. I know I got tricked by Dubz with this in the last game, so I am still being cautious, but for now I feel comfortable placing them both in village.

Just going to once again say to be careful, and question once again why cray and shorty get a bigger pass than people who were sitting early on a wolf!genny vote and stayed there

VCA is important ya'll

 

[kraskadva]

Kras feels lined up against Dubz here, and I can totally see Kras knowing that the only hope and prayer should would have to make it to endgame with genny gone, is with Dubz and AM dead.

When I wolf I never let any possible NK plans stop me from openly sussing someone on thread. I could explain, but I like the WIFOM to be there, and I always hope to get lucky that village will off them for me. So this could be a wolf Kras thing.

This is an interesting point about Kras

Sure, yeah, of course I would do that as a wolf. Literally just did that last game. But so would you.
And just because I *would* do something, doesn't mean that I did it here...since, ya know, I'm not a wolf this time.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

catching up🙂

Ace could be a giant noob distraction

like a giant noob wolf distraction or like a noob that the wolves are using as a distraction? (i think its the latter)

Jayzus... caught up finally.

Ok, reads in rough order...

Wolfy
Ace - after yesterday, very sus. Maybe noob, but
Lainey - Other's have pointed out many sketch bits, but the one below just feels totally off to me
MsP - That was an awfully quick catch up...

???
Dina - Feels like wolfhunting, but distrust
Alley - Not here enough to get a good read
Shorty - mix of wolf hunting and rage!shorty feels a bit manufactured, but not sure
Plz - IDK, nothing's jumping out to me either way

Village - all feel like village!* meta to me
Vis
Sunshine
April
Cray



After sloth already flipped flipped village? Really?

so are village reads based solely on meta or are there like specific posts/things that are giving village points?
also w MsP, trying to read between the lines, do you think she was reading along more than she posted so it wasn't a "catchup" but a tactic to fly under the radar?

That makes me feel like Kras is stretching on Lainey.... of all the things to call Lainey out for, it feels kinda lazy/possibly disingenuous.

kras has been hanging out in my neutrals for the game so far, but this made me ???

I’m trying to stay caught up on the thread, but it’s definitely difficult with what’s going on in my personal life.

Spoiler: Roommate drama and personal life

My roommate is insane and I’ve been trying to figure out how to get out of my lease. She ruined some of my stuff and then additionally threatened to purposely ruin more of my stuff so I don’t feel comfortable at my house anymore. The past few days I’ve been trying to figure out a new place to stay, and I’ve been crashing at my bf’s place for the time being. So that’s been a huge stressor on top of my already stressful schoolwork, so I’ve been struggling this week to keep up with WW. I’m doing everything I can to still stay engaged with the game and not get modkilled.

**** I'm so sorry that's happening. I've been there w a crazy roommate and man it f**ks with your very core sense of safety and just f**ks up your whole life for a minute. Hang in there, please reach out if you need to talk 💕 ****

but also I think it's weird that Lainey keeps fixating that I "defended Genny" when I never did and have already answered her when she tried to say it before. this seems like another example of Lainey trying to stretch like a couple others I quoted have noted. The thing I did that she insists on referring to repeatedly is agreed with Genny that she was "just saying things" which wasn't defending her, it was reaffirming why i thought she was wolfy.

this in combination with a post cray made earlier makes me even more ???? about lainey and pushing her further into wolf. I'm interested to see that flip tonight.

instead of making his own contributions and driving the conversation forward himself *again*

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I understood your point about Zenge's tone change and was ready to see it in Ace if you outlined it, but honestly I still don't see it. If anything this makes me feel worse about him.

I agree that there's been some tonal change in Ace but I don't think it's gone wolfy>villagey. I think it went noob wolfing and barely posting> ok i got told i need to contribute more, so i'm gonna ask people to ask me questions.

Dear God, after reading the articles I can see why AM has Kras as a policy yeet.

for why?

I have some idea who I think is villagiest, and I'd love to hear from them which of the suspects on the above list should be voted off the island first.

who?

Do we think the wagon on Ace dissolved because he has scum buddies?

I mean I think it's dissolved bc Lainey is being sketch. To me, Lainey is more surely a wolf than ace right now and I'd rather vote on someone I'm more sure of

done w p35

 

[supershorty]

Why cray and not Visc or Sunny or even April? You make a good point that I quoted below that she didn't even put a vote down D1 but after wanted to point out that she was one of the first questioning genny.

I agree she's very actively wolf hunting and I don't want to believe she's wolfing this game, but be careful is essentially where I'm going. Cray is a good player both as a villager and a wolf.

That's a fair point. I'm going to be honest, my brain is really struggling with getting in the groove today and I don't feel like I explained that reads list particularly well. I color-code the strength of my reads on my spreadsheet and since words are failing me a little today, I'm going to put a screenshot of my current reads at the end of this post. I haven't gotten any wolfy vibes from sunshine, for example, but haven't necessarily gotten a ton of things that struck me as being super pro-village either - I think that's why I wasn't putting her as strong village. However, on my spreadsheet, I have Cray, Vissy, and Sunny as the same shade.

Just going to once again say to be careful, and question once again why cray and shorty get a bigger pass than people who were sitting early on a wolf!genny vote and stayed there

Just want to reiterate - again - that I was the second vote on genny and moved before her wagon took off (there were 3 when I changed my vote, so while it had potential to be viable, it certainly wasn't a case where you could argue "genny's definitely getting yeeted and shorty changed her vote, sus") to go after a different wolf read.

Spoiler: Shorty spreadsheet

 

[supershorty]

Just want to reiterate - again - that I was the second vote on genny and moved before her wagon took off (there were 3 when I changed my vote, so while it had potential to be viable, it certainly wasn't a case where you could argue "genny's definitely getting yeeted and shorty changed her vote, sus") to go after a different wolf read.

Actually, I need to correct this - when I pulled my vote, it was just me and Zenge on genny. sunshine put her vote on ~ 45 minutes after I moved mine.

 

[Dinashadow]

That's a fair point. I'm going to be honest, my brain is really struggling with getting in the groove today and I don't feel like I explained that reads list particularly well. I color-code the strength of my reads on my spreadsheet and since words are failing me a little today, I'm going to put a screenshot of my current reads at the end of this post. I haven't gotten any wolfy vibes from sunshine, for example, but haven't necessarily gotten a ton of things that struck me as being super pro-village either - I think that's why I wasn't putting her as strong village. However, on my spreadsheet, I have Cray, Vissy, and Sunny as the same shade.

Just want to reiterate - again - that I was the second vote on genny and moved before her wagon took off (there were 3 when I changed my vote, so while it had potential to be viable, it certainly wasn't a case where you could argue "genny's definitely getting yeeted and shorty changed her vote, sus") to go after a different wolf read.

Just for the record, I definitely take your D1 vote on genny into account when putting you in my village pile. I don't weigh it as strongly as people who stayed on the vote, but it definitely puts you as my highest after them (and in conjunction with what I'm viewing as strong village play from you)

I just don't want people to forget about VCA. We should use flipping genny D1 as an advantage when we're narrowing down our POE.

 

[supershorty]

I just don't want people to forget about VCA. We should use flipping genny D1 as an advantage when we're narrowing down our POE.

For sure! I've been finding my vote tally tabs the most useful ones and I totally agree with this. I just don't like that the timing of my vote switch has been misconstrued a few times and want to keep the record straight.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

catching up🙂

like a giant noob wolf distraction or like a noob that the wolves are using as a distraction? (i think its the latter)

so are village reads based solely on meta or are there like specific posts/things that are giving village points?
also w MsP, trying to read between the lines, do you think she was reading along more than she posted so it wasn't a "catchup" but a tactic to fly under the radar?

kras has been hanging out in my neutrals for the game so far, but this made me ???

**** I'm so sorry that's happening. I've been there w a crazy roommate and man it f**ks with your very core sense of safety and just f**ks up your whole life for a minute. Hang in there, please reach out if you need to talk 💕 ****

this in combination with a post cray made earlier makes me even more ???? about lainey and pushing her further into wolf. I'm interested to see that flip tonight.

👀

I agree that there's been some tonal change in Ace but I don't think it's gone wolfy>villagey. I think it went noob wolfing and barely posting> ok i got told i need to contribute more, so i'm gonna ask people to ask me questions.

for why?

who?

I mean I think it's dissolved bc Lainey is being sketch. To me, Lainey is more surely a wolf than ace right now and I'd rather vote on someone I'm more sure of

done w p35

we keep going;

Can you update your reads on Alley, Lainey, April, and Shorty?

yeah I'll do this when I reach bottom of my catchup

After Shorty's post. Feel like wolfy appease-village attempt.

I took it as her asking me to post a little more, so i did what i could.

Moving her vote to where AM was on MsP, then moving to Ace. Just feels hedgy and all over the place.

it was all over the place, it was a day where i was only able to come on sporadically so my keeping up and understanding of what was happening was sporadic

This is a whole lot of not a lot of depth.

Since last game I've been trying to put thoughts-in-progress on the thread more, so yeah, a lot of it is not gonna have a lot of depth to it because they're my reactions as i read things

I have strong reads on both of them, but my thinking behind yeeting MsP first is that she's the much more experienced player of the 2 of them and therefore more likely to be dangerous to village

i hadn't really considered this. MsP isn't neccecarily a stronger wolf read to me than lainey, but if her and lainey are in a pack this would leave lainey on her own to decide things, which i think would be better for village. considering the MsP vote
but my other thought there is she's likely to get modkilled. I think i'll switch my vote to MsP only if she shows up at the end of today and looks like she's gonna make post minimum but from the last day where she's been ???somewhere??? idk if that will happen

The more I read the more I feel a Lainey-Dina connection that worries me.

I don't think Dina and MsP could be in a pack together. Dina's been sus'ing MsP from before she even showed up, so I think Dina/MsP are w/v or v/w. I could definitely see lainey in a pack w either of them

I think that will help him improve his WW game and hopefully he is more pro-village moving forward.

do you think he's village?

For Lainey, I think she is playing up the "I'm a noob" angle. Sometimes she acts very knowledgeable and coached, sometimes she asks questions that she really should've known from the last game. However, since she didn't last long in the previous game, I feel like some of these are genuine questions and some might be planted as her way of playing like shorty did as a wolf in the noob game and are just her milking that noob position.

there's also been questions she's asked that were answered earlier in this game though, and those are the ones that I'm having a hard time with.

I'm a little concerned about Lainey leaving alley off her reads list.

i forgot about that
i don't like it

If MsP is village, her play is deeply disappointing. I would like her to come on and defend her sketchball actions last night.

unfortunately, as AM(?I think) pointed out, based on her signature i don't think we'll get that

I will admit sussing Zenge was not a good call, similar to my original sussing of April as well. Even looking retrospectively, I cannot fathom why I originally thought that especially with so many others that seemed more suspicious at the time. I'm curious what your opinion is on the most recent list that I formed? (Including the correction of April to village yesterday). Note: I wish I had more time currently to add more information to back up the list, but that will have to wait until much later when I get home.

this read wolfy to me, like a non-reason

Sure, yeah, of course I would do that as a wolf. Literally just did that last game. But so would you.
And just because I *would* do something, doesn't mean that I did it here...since, ya know, I'm not a wolf this time.

this reads a little bit like the bold wolfing genny pulled off

 

[kraskadva]

so are village reads based solely on meta or are there like specific posts/things that are giving village points?
also w MsP, trying to read between the lines, do you think she was reading along more than she posted so it wasn't a "catchup" but a tactic to fly under the radar?

It was just meta cuz I was too tired last night to iso/pull posts
re: MsP... maybe, but I don't think so. I had more of a vibe of somebody filling her in to key points a la wolf chat

 

[kraskadva]

this reads a little bit like the bold wolfing genny pulled off

Genny didn't pull it off, since she got yeeted D1

and again, open!wolf kras was what you saw last game, not what you're seeing here

 

[supershorty]

@kraskadva What's your reasoning behind your Ace vote vs MsP or Lainey?

 

[kraskadva]

@kraskadva What's your reasoning behind your Ace vote vs MsP or Lainey?

As stated. Why did he escape yesterday? Why has his wagon evaporated today? That makes me more sus of him than lainey's noob vs noob wolf vibe or MsP's sudden appearance.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

we keep going;

yeah I'll do this when I reach bottom of my catchup

I took it as her asking me to post a little more, so i did what i could.

it was all over the place, it was a day where i was only able to come on sporadically so my keeping up and understanding of what was happening was sporadic

Since last game I've been trying to put thoughts-in-progress on the thread more, so yeah, a lot of it is not gonna have a lot of depth to it because they're my reactions as i read things

i hadn't really considered this. MsP isn't neccecarily a stronger wolf read to me than lainey, but if her and lainey are in a pack this would leave lainey on her own to decide things, which i think would be better for village. considering the MsP vote
but my other thought there is she's likely to get modkilled. I think i'll switch my vote to MsP only if she shows up at the end of today and looks like she's gonna make post minimum but from the last day where she's been ???somewhere??? idk if that will happen

I don't think Dina and MsP could be in a pack together. Dina's been sus'ing MsP from before she even showed up, so I think Dina/MsP are w/v or v/w. I could definitely see lainey in a pack w either of them

do you think he's village?

there's also been questions she's asked that were answered earlier in this game though, and those are the ones that I'm having a hard time with.

i forgot about that
i don't like it

unfortunately, as AM(?I think) pointed out, based on her signature i don't think we'll get that

this read wolfy to me, like a non-reason

this reads a little bit like the bold wolfing genny pulled off

ok, updated reads:
Alley: still solidly in neutrals. I don't want to make the same mistake last time of i like her=village, and her personal life has been really difficult lately so she hasn't been on much. She's pretty echoey but it's hard not to be echoey when you're playing a lot of catchup
Lainey: super wolfy vibes. I maintain that I'm more sure of her being a wolf than other people at this point, but i think the point that shorty and then alley made is an important one to consider, MsP may be more dangerous as a wolf than Lainey. And then as alley pointed out, MsP is lw dangerous to village as village, if that's where it flips.
April: sort of similar to my alley thing, I'm actually taking a way a bit of village cred to make up for my personal bias of I like her. so far, though, she seems to be contributing and wolf hunting, and she's given me very little reason to believe she's wolfy. The D1 sus of her salt vote from other people doesn't really give me pause, I think it's a weird thing to be suspicious over. However, in light of the genny flip happening for kinda similar reasons, I'm willing to consider it a little more.
Shorty: I'm reading as solidly village. she's actively wolfhunting, nothing in her posts has given me much pause. I need to go back and find bc i can't remember what it was now, but for some reason on D1 I had her in my pay attention to while reading list but from everything i've seen of her that I remember, she's been pro-village

and then one at the end that isn't so much a read, but a thought:
Cray has been pretty solidly in my village reads, she's playing as I've seen her play village before, but the one little thought I had that took away a village point during my catch-up is that she is throwing suspicion EVERYWHERE. I know she addressed it in a post early on last night, but that could be addressing it so that no one else can question it later. I dont necessarily think she's wolf at all, and aggro village Cray is normal, but I can't tell who her village reads are at all and that gives me a little bit of pause

 

[supershorty]

As stated. Why did he escape yesterday? Why has his wagon evaporated today? That makes me more sus of him than lainey's noob vs noob wolf vibe or MsP's sudden appearance.

So then what are your reads on the (still living) people who were on his wagon, with that in mind?

(If it helps, his wagon at max vote count was Sloth, Please, myself, Dina, Alley, and MsP)

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

I had more of a vibe of somebody filling her in to key points a la wolf chat

that's certainly a possibility, but seems like a LOT of work for her packmate to agree to lol

Genny didn't pull it off, since she got yeeted D1

and again, open!wolf kras was what you saw last game, not what you're seeing here

but it's not impossible that you'd do it two games in a row

 

[Dinashadow]

As stated. Why did he escape yesterday? Why has his wagon evaporated today? That makes me more sus of him than lainey's noob vs noob wolf vibe or MsP's sudden appearance.

Yeah I'm still going back and forth with ace. His reads this cycle made me feel better, but I'm aware that I might be being swayed by a wolf who is trying to hide with village now that suspicion is being thrown around. I do really want to flip MsP today though. I'm worried about how little votes she has right now despite people throwing around sus on her left and right.

 

[supershorty]

Yeah I'm still going back and forth with ace. His reads this cycle made me feel better, but I'm aware that I might be being swayed by a wolf who is trying to hide with village now that suspicion is being thrown around. I do really want to flip MsP today though. I'm worried about how little votes she has right now despite people throwing around sus on her left and right.

If my current tally is accurate, both MsP and Lainey have 4 with the following people on them:

MsP: April, me, you, alley
Lainey: Vissy, pleasy, Cray, Ace

I agree with Cray's earlier thought that we should probably decide on who we want the information from most and unite the vote more on one vs the other, but I'd like to see other people's thoughts.