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ok, updated reads:
Alley: still solidly in neutrals. I don't want to make the same mistake last time of i like her=village, and her personal life has been really difficult lately so she hasn't been on much. She's pretty echoey but it's hard not to be echoey when you're playing a lot of catchup
Lainey: super wolfy vibes. I maintain that I'm more sure of her being a wolf than other people at this point, but i think the point that shorty and then alley made is an important one to consider, MsP may be more dangerous as a wolf than Lainey. And then as alley pointed out, MsP is lw dangerous to village as village, if that's where it flips.
April: sort of similar to my alley thing, I'm actually taking a way a bit of village cred to make up for my personal bias of I like her. so far, though, she seems to be contributing and wolf hunting, and she's given me very little reason to believe she's wolfy. The D1 sus of her salt vote from other people doesn't really give me pause, I think it's a weird thing to be suspicious over. However, in light of the genny flip happening for kinda similar reasons, I'm willing to consider it a little more.
Shorty: I'm reading as solidly village. she's actively wolfhunting, nothing in her posts has given me much pause. I need to go back and find bc i can't remember what it was now, but for some reason on D1 I had her in my pay attention to while reading list but from everything i've seen of her that I remember, she's been pro-village

and then one at the end that isn't so much a read, but a thought:
Cray has been pretty solidly in my village reads, she's playing as I've seen her play village before, but the one little thought I had that took away a village point during my catch-up is that she is throwing suspicion EVERYWHERE. I know she addressed it in a post early on last night, but that could be addressing it so that no one else can question it later. I dont necessarily think she's wolf at all, and aggro village Cray is normal, but I can't tell who her village reads are at all and that gives me a little bit of pause

those were just the ones cray asked for, everyone else:
ace: definitely not letting go of the possibility he's wolf. I've felt a little better about him in the past 24 hours, especially bc a lot of my suspicion was a split second reaction to what he said before yeet last time
alley; above
april; above
cray; above
dina: this one is hard. i have her in neutral leaning village, i agree with a good amount of her points and she does seem to be wolf hunting. The only reason she's not in village solidly is bc a few of my village reads have sus'd her and i think there's a little bit of weight to that
kras: another difficult one. Pretty solidly neutral with a little caveat of could be wolf. playing a little less chaotic than I've seen before, which I'm not sure what that means for AI. I think cray's point of kras stretching on lainey is interesting, bc (as cray pointed out) there are a lot of other reasons to sus lainey, but again, i don't think this is anything damning. I think there's a possibility that kras is doing a combination of flying under the radar (although I do largely believe that inactivity is NAI, we are all very busy people) because of some of the content of her posts, with a little bit of bold-woofing
lainey; above
MsP: wolfy. I agree with a lot of shorty's points and Dina's suspicions and I think kras and alley too about the danger of keeping MsP around. In an earlier post I noted that I'm keeping my vote on lainey for now, but if it doesn't look like MsP is gonna be modkilled, I will probably move to MsP.
sunshine: weak village. from what I've seen, playing how village sunshine does. doin some wolf hunting. keeping sunshine away from neutral is that I don't think it's super likely that theyre in a pack with my top wolf reads, but this could do with some reevaluation and I'll probably ISO sunshine to get a stronger feeling after my homework tonight
shorty; above
visc: difficult. in neutral for me, another one where busy life has made it kinda hard to read this game. I think that the catch up posts have some substance to them, but I also don't know who the village reads are. another one I need to go back and ISO and get a stronger read on.
i think that's everyone. I kept counting 11 and I was like no there are 12 players! Me, I'm the 12th player. christ

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

i think that's everyone. I kept counting 11 and I was like no there are 12 players! Me, I'm the 12th player. christ

Spoiler: anna's disney princess moment

it's me, I'm the fifth spirit!

 

[Dinashadow]

If my current tally is accurate, both MsP and Lainey have 4 with the following people on them:

MsP: April, me, you, alley
Lainey: Vissy, pleasy, Cray, Ace

I agree with Cray's earlier thought that we should probably decide on who we want the information from most and unite the vote more on one vs the other, but I'd like to see other people's thoughts.

Okay I wasn't looking at the most recent tally. When I went back and read alley hadn't put her vote down yet, so I was thinking MsP was still behind lainey.

But I agree we should decide which one and consolidate. I could go either MsP or Lainey, but I feel more strongly for the MsP vote for reasons I have already mentioned. I think either flip might help give us insight on ace though who seems like a big ? for a lot of us (including me)

 

[LaineyLou]

Genny was not the first person I called out. I was the first person to make a comment about genny being sus. I get that despite me pointing out all this sus stuff about genny I didn't vote her and even tried to preserve her. That was definitely a bias swung by my worship of AM. And generally I try to preserve vets over noobs (yes, I'm evil hate me) when I think all else is equal - and I was equally torn on April vs genny for wolfiness and what would be gained from a flip. If you think two wagons are equally sketch, get on the wagon that has your most village reads and stay off the wagon that has your sus people. Now how much I sus the people on genny changed with genny's flip.

But besides what feels to me like Lainey trying to stretch the truth, her posts AND her vote on genny is totally sketchballs.

I’ll have to go back and find your exact post but you did state that. It seems as if you’re trying to change your story.

 

[supershorty]

Okay I wasn't looking at the most recent tally. When I went back and read alley hadn't put her vote down yet, so I was thinking MsP was still behind lainey.

But I agree we should decide which one and consolidate. I could go either MsP or Lainey, but I feel more strongly for the MsP vote for reasons I have already mentioned. I think either flip might help give us insight on ace though who seems like a big ? for a lot of us (including me)

I feel the same way. I'd be willing to vote for either one of them because I think either way we'll get a wolf, but have already given reasons for why I'd prefer MsP first.

 

[Dinashadow]

What I don't want to do is have another wafflefest right before yeet close where we throw all of our work from the past 36 hours away, and people might not be around to change their votes. And I'm afraid MsP will appear to be modkilled (so people won't vote for her) up until 20 minutes before (again) and that's when we'll all be scrambling around and she'll escape the yeeting

 

[LaineyLou]

I was the first person to call genny out for acting potentially wolfy.

Here’s where cray states this. Idk if it matters that much I just wanted to make sure the statement was correct

 

[Dinashadow]

Here’s where cray states this. Idk if it matters that much I just wanted to make sure the statement was correct

Since you're here, would you mind providing some updated reads?

 

[Dinashadow]

Here’s where cray states this. Idk if it matters that much I just wanted to make sure the statement was correct

Since you're here, would you mind providing some updated reads?

With a focus on ace, MsP, alley, and kras

 

[LaineyLou]

Since you're here, would you mind providing some updated reads?

Yeah absolutely. Sorry I’ve been gone, I had a date last night for early Valentine’s Day.

 

[supershorty]

With a focus on ace, MsP, alley, and kras

I'd like to know @LaineyLou 's reads on sunshine, Vissy, and you as well. Just want to see what her train of thought is like.

 

[supershorty]

Yeah absolutely. Sorry I’ve been gone, I had a date last night for early Valentine’s Day.

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Just want everyone to know that Z read this comment and said "it's a little early for early Valentine's Day" and then minorly freaked out when I told him today is the 10th and Valentine's Day is in 4 days.

"Wait, REALLY? Holy CRAP."

Guess there's not a calendar in the land of the dead 🤣
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[Zenge142]

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Just want everyone to know that Z read this comment and said "it's a little early for early Valentine's Day" and then minorly freaked out when I told him today is the 10th and Valentine's Day is in 4 days.

"Wait, REALLY? Holy CRAP."

Guess there's not a calendar in the land of the dead 🤣
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[alleycat03]

What I don't want to do is have another wafflefest right before yeet close where we throw all of our work from the past 36 hours away, and people might not be around to change their votes. And I'm afraid MsP will appear to be modkilled (so people won't vote for her) up until 20 minutes before (again) and that's when we'll all be scrambling around and she'll escape the yeeting

I want to know what more experienced players would do if MsP doesn't show up and will get modkilled. I know we've discussed yeeting a player that's already going to be modkilled in previous games (which I largely missed out on the discussion for), but it hasn't been discussed as in-depth in this game and I think we need to think things through as a village.

Now that we're at day 3 and we've already caught 1 wolf, I think we should all have a backup plan if MsP doesn't show up and will be modkilled? I think it might be best for those of us currently voting for MsP to switch to another wolfy suspect (likely Lainey) if MsP is still MIA right before yeet. This is similar to the logic of Z making a tie (even accidentally) on day 2 so we could find out more info about wolfy suspects. I feel as if my vote might be "wasted" on MsP if she's going to be modkilled anyway, but I also know that other people do not necessarily feel the same way.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

I want to know what more experienced players would do if MsP doesn't show up and will get modkilled. I know we've discussed yeeting a player that's already going to be modkilled in previous games (which I largely missed out on the discussion for), but it hasn't been discussed as in-depth in this game and I think we need to think things through as a village.

Now that we're at day 3 and we've already caught 1 wolf, I think we should all have a backup plan if MsP doesn't show up and will be modkilled? I think it might be best for those of us currently voting for MsP to switch to another wolfy suspect (likely Lainey) if MsP is still MIA right before yeet. This is similar to the logic of Z making a tie (even accidentally) on day 2 so we could find out more info about wolfy suspects. I feel as if my vote might be "wasted" on MsP if she's going to be modkilled anyway, but I also know that other people do not necessarily feel the same way.

Ok Ily alley but this gave me pause.
It reads to me like you haven't really read what people have been saying/are misunderstanding on purpose and trying to plant seeds for a waffle right before close.
Jic, from what I understand, shorty and Dina are both on the lainey and MsP are both sus but MsP is dangerous either way let's yeet her train
I'm going more towards that direction as the day progresses, but for now I'm on lainey but have said I'm gonna go over to MsP if it looks like she's unlikely a mod kill (which I understand is waffling in itself, but i read your post as let's plan a village-wide waffle)

 

[supershorty]

Now that we're at day 3 and we've already caught 1 wolf

This is kind of weird phrasing, yeah, we've caught 1 wolf but we've lost 5 villagers (one to modkill).

I don't like the idea of banking on a modkill when it's apparently MsP's MO to show up right before yeet and make minimum, and we've seen her do it in this thread once already. A yeet vote on a wolf isn't a wasted vote...

Edit: 5 villagers, typo said 6

 

[alleycat03]

do you think he's village?

I have a wolf lean on him (ace). The stuff he said right before yeet deadline on day 2 was very concerning to me, and that is why I switched from Sloth to Ace. Since then, I've felt a bit better about his posts, but I still don't think he's been playing as pro village as he should.

there's also been questions she's asked that were answered earlier in this game though, and those are the ones that I'm having a hard time with.

That's a great point, and it is another reason why I think Lainey is a wolf. I think she is potentially forgetting which fake question she already asked and asking it again, which pings my wolfdar.

 

[LaineyLou]

🤔

Unyeet MsP

genny's wagon has stalled for most of the day which makes me think she might be a bad yeet

yeet April

Hey guys! Looking back into everything this caught my eye big time. Dina unyeets msp (originally a salt vote) to vote for April. Then states that she thinks genny could be a bad yeet. This struck me as a possible wolfy action just because they take the attention off msp even though it was only a salt vote and try to take the attention off genny. This makes me question if Dina, msp and genny could have been in a pack. I’m gonna continue to look into this for a bit

 

[supershorty]

Hey guys! Looking back into everything this caught my eye big time. Dina unyeets msp (originally a salt vote) to vote for April. Then states that she thinks genny could be a bad yeet. This struck me as a possible wolfy action just because they take the attention off msp even though it was only a salt vote and try to take the attention off genny. This makes me question if Dina, msp and genny could have been in a pack. I’m gonna continue to look into this for a bit

How do you explain Dina's current, sustained push to yeet MsP if you have them in a pack together?

 

[LaineyLou]

How do you explain Dina's current, sustained push to yeet MsP if you have them in a pack together?

I wouldn’t be surprised if Dina were to change yeet last minute kinda how they did with changing to April. I guess only time will tell. I’m still going through everything with a fine tooth comb as I’m getting my hair done lol. More to come

 

[supershorty]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Dina were to change yeet last minute kinda how they did with changing to April. I guess only time will tell. I’m still going through everything with a fine tooth comb as I’m getting my hair done lol. More to come

What do you think would be the strategy behind pushing a fellow wolf for >24 hours? Even if she changed the vote at the last second, she's been pushing the yeet HARD.

 

[LaineyLou]

Especially the quiet ones

This is one that makes me question msp even more. They were quiet until the very end and then didn’t seem to contribute much at all. Wolfy vibes here.

 

[LaineyLou]

Like I said, killing AM and Dubz N1 is a sign of a weak/newbie wolf pack with at least one OG player

Seems way too sure of themselves.

 

[LaineyLou]

After looking through everything all over again...

##yeet MsP###

Reasons include...
Such long inactivity right up until yeet, little contribution to the discussion and wolf hunting in addition to their confidence and what read off as maybe arrogance.

 

[LaineyLou]

What do you think would be the strategy behind pushing a fellow wolf for >24 hours? Even if she changed the vote at the last second, she's been pushing the yeet HARD.

True, very true point. Still a tad suspicious though

 

[supershorty]

After looking through everything all over again...

##yeet MsP###

Reasons include...
Such long inactivity right up until yeet, little contribution to the discussion and wolf hunting in addition to their confidence and what read off as maybe arrogance.

It's interesting to me that you're reading one particular statement as arrogance when multiple people have said that same thing. MsP is not a new WW player.

Have to admit that Lainey putting her vote on MsP is making me rethink whether I want to put my vote onto Lainey instead because the wolf vibes are soooooo strong and I don't know if she's bussing for the second time this game...

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

*** im sorry if it seems like im lurking, UMN is sending out acceptance/rejections like now and I cant focus on anything, im refreshing my email every 2 seconds and making sure i didnt miss any calls every 2 minutes ****

 

[supershorty]

@Crayola227 I know you're probably still sleeping and I'm cringing thinking of coming back and needing to get caught up on 17 more pages of thread, but I'd love your thoughts on Lainey vs MsP when you're back.

@Dinashadow yours too given that we were thinking similarly about that before Lainey's most recent post.

 

[supershorty]

I'd like to know @LaineyLou 's reads on sunshine, Vissy, and you as well. Just want to see what her train of thought is like.

@LaineyLou can you answer this, please?

 

[sunshinefl]

Okay I read through page 36 so far.

So I just got done doing some reading at MafiaScum wiki. I think us villagers need to come together and decide who we are lynching and put the pressure on, and eliminate the scummiest (wolfiest) players one after another.

Lainey, MsP, Alley, Ace, and Kras look the worst to me.

Dear God, after reading the articles I can see why AM has Kras as a policy yeet.

I have some idea who I think is villagiest, and I'd love to hear from them which of the suspects on the above list should be voted off the island first.

Do we think the wagon on Ace dissolved because he has scum buddies?

Where is @Ms Procrastinator ?

Regarding the bold, I can't believe we as a village aren't talking about this more. I agree about Ace, Lainey, Ms. P, Kras, +/- Alley, +/- you.

Sunshine has been awfully hedgy this game. Wolf Sunshine was pretty aggressive, so I can't say it fits the limited meta, but not really loving the hedginess as that can be a classic sign of lyncanthropy. Also the only sketch thing I have done/said that I can tell was the genny vote, and I really think it actually does more to support me in the uninformed majority than the other way round, yet Sunshine felt the need to create that foil about me. I'm definitely looking at people picking up that bait.

@sunshinefl can I get updated reads? How do you feel about Viscernable now?

I'm not hedgy, I think and share out loud. In life in general I am a person who is very open about my thoughts, feelings, processes, etc. And for this game sharing is pro-village. As a villager who isn't informed, I can't be 100% certain of much except my own affiliation. So if I say well I think this but that etc I am thinking through things outwardly with the rest of the village.

This post to come in and declare Dubz and the rest of us villagey, especially right on tails of Dubz sussint Dina, reads kinda funny to me. Very wolf like reaction to have. And Dina also brought up some sus of me somewhere that felt almost in response to mine.

Mostly I don't want Dubz sus of Dina to be forgotten, but I wasn't going to say anything unless on review posts got to me.

Not trying to undo the village bloc that feels like it's forming, but want to continually reassess and encourage other players to as well.

@Dinashadow can I get an updated reads list from you as well?

so you're saying you sus Dina if she doesn't sus someone who sus her, but also you sus dina if she sus someone who sus her.

The way you are clearing people makes me sus. Just gotta say.

The post you quoted was from super early day 1 when not much at all was known. And for the 40th time you nitpick me about how i give village points. I don't know if there is an objective "right" there.

Ok, but this was a nice move. Can't remember if Shorty stayed on genny.

She did not. She left once Genny got to 3 votes.

Ok, unequivocally can see the point about a soft defense. However, I think it can be explained in light of Sunny's vote on genny. Also I think that Sunny is like me in that she will stand by a point (such as don't press people too hard for reads and hold awkwardness against them [although classically great way to catch wolves e.g. genny's weak reads]) even though she argues the point it doesn't always mean she's defending a particular player's alignment.

yes I am like you in standing by a point. But again I used "genny" because I was arguing with Genny about that play style. We were discussing sloth though. I don't feel like going back to day 1 and requoting the whole exchange and quite honestly I'm annoyed this keeps coming up. I called genny out early, voted there, stayed there, actively recruited others. I think I'm quite obviously the strongest village read remaining and assuming I will die tonight by wolves.

 

[Dinashadow]

I want to know what more experienced players would do if MsP doesn't show up and will get modkilled. I know we've discussed yeeting a player that's already going to be modkilled in previous games (which I largely missed out on the discussion for), but it hasn't been discussed as in-depth in this game and I think we need to think things through as a village.

Now that we're at day 3 and we've already caught 1 wolf, I think we should all have a backup plan if MsP doesn't show up and will be modkilled? I think it might be best for those of us currently voting for MsP to switch to another wolfy suspect (likely Lainey) if MsP is still MIA right before yeet. This is similar to the logic of Z making a tie (even accidentally) on day 2 so we could find out more info about wolfy suspects. I feel as if my vote might be "wasted" on MsP if she's going to be modkilled anyway, but I also know that other people do not necessarily feel the same way.

I mean I thought about doing a 5 minute before yeet waffle to Lainey if MsP still hasn't shown up because then she wouldn't have enough time to get her posts in and we can hit two birds with one stone, but it's really risky.

I'm not sure if any of your manators brought up waffles, but a huge wafflefest at the end of the day favors wolves.

Believe me when I say that she'll hit the post count if she thinks she's going to make it another day and won't show up if she's about to be yeeted. She did it during the last cycle and she'll do it again.

Ok Ily alley but this gave me pause.
It reads to me like you haven't really read what people have been saying/are misunderstanding on purpose and trying to plant seeds for a waffle right before close.
Jic, from what I understand, shorty and Dina are both on the lainey and MsP are both sus but MsP is dangerous either way let's yeet her train
I'm going more towards that direction as the day progresses, but for now I'm on lainey but have said I'm gonna go over to MsP if it looks like she's unlikely a mod kill (which I understand is waffling in itself, but i read your post as let's plan a village-wide waffle)

just be careful with this as I mentioned above

Hey guys! Looking back into everything this caught my eye big time. Dina unyeets msp (originally a salt vote) to vote for April. Then states that she thinks genny could be a bad yeet. This struck me as a possible wolfy action just because they take the attention off msp even though it was only a salt vote and try to take the attention off genny. This makes me question if Dina, msp and genny could have been in a pack. I’m gonna continue to look into this for a bit

I ask for reads, you say sure, and then you give me this?

Spoiler: What?

It's interesting to me that you're reading one particular statement as arrogance when multiple people have said that same thing. MsP is not a new WW player.

Have to admit that Lainey putting her vote on MsP is making me rethink whether I want to put my vote onto Lainey instead because the wolf vibes are soooooo strong and I don't know if she's bussing for the second time this game...

@Crayola227 I know you're probably still sleeping and I'm cringing thinking of coming back and needing to get caught up on 17 more pages of thread, but I'd love your thoughts on Lainey vs MsP when you're back.

@Dinashadow yours too given that we were thinking similarly about that before Lainey's most recent post.

The thing is if she's a wolf then she's a busser. Those two things have to exist together because of her vote on genny. If she's bussed once, she'll do it again. I find bussing isn't uncommon with noobs. Also she's already talking about me switching off MsP last minute, maybe she's decided that'll be a good strategy for her if there's waffling again.

 

[supershorty]

She did not. She left once Genny got to 3 votes.

No. I left while there were still 2. You placed your vote 45 minutes after I took mine off.

Small detail, but I don't like that it keeps getting misstated (including by me, to be fair, because for some reason I missed your vote on my tally initially and I trusted you that it was after you placed yours, but I went back to check it today).

 

[Dinashadow]

Regarding the bold, I can't believe we as a village aren't talking about this more. I agree about Ace, Lainey, Ms. P, Kras, +/- Alley, +/- you.

We can talk about ace more. I do think his wagon seemed to have resistance and his behavior beforehand was wolfy, but then got better the next day. I think the appearance of MsP definitely distracted, at least me, from going there again. I still think there's a good chance that he or alley is a wolf.

 

[Dinashadow]

*** im sorry if it seems like im lurking, UMN is sending out acceptance/rejections like now and I cant focus on anything, im refreshing my email every 2 seconds and making sure i didnt miss any calls every 2 minutes ****

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Good luck! I hope you get good news today!

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

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Good luck! I hope you get good news today!

**it was a spot pretty far down the waitlist. I’m in bed with ice cream watching greys anatomy and turning by brain off for a little bit. I’ll be back later, thank you for well wishes and kind words 💕.**

 

[kaydubs]

On Day 3, We're Shufflin' Yeet Tally

Acehunter (2) - sunshine, kras
MsP (5) - April, supershorty, Dina, alley, LaineyLou
LaineyLou (4) - Viscernable, vetschools, Crayola, Acehunter

11/12

Leading: ---

Missing: @Ms Procrastinator

Yeet/Vote closes at 10pm Eastern, TODAY, Wednesday, 2/10/2021 (~3.5 HOURS)

 

[sunshinefl]

Besides the brief ones I posted earlier? Sure.

AM is doing the bare minimum to stay just on the village side of neutral. Cray sounds village. You sound village.

Vis hasn't been as aggressive as I'd expect for village. April's bf says she's wolfy. Dina seems awful lurky, which she has been in the past as a wolf.

Dubz isn't village, but good luck yeeting her if she's a wolf.

Do you have a lean on Ace as of now?

Ace has barely participated, but I can't imagine wolf!ace + village!april in that situation. it's either v/v or v/w. leaning wolfy rn.

This exchange reads almost like genny was saying ace was village and april was wolfy ..... if so, wonder what that means about Ace?

I agree it does seem a little odd, but I also feel that sometimes people get pushed too hard for reads and then get pushed too hard for explanations of those reads and then get chastised about it all. Which is why I said probing too hard isn't always helpful to the village.

i could do with a little less hard probing

also, wolf points for sunshine there.

for voting for you?

no for "hey guys, don't push sloth too hard, ok?"

nope more like "hey guys I have warned you across multiple games and dead chats that I don't agree with interrogating people into premature reads and that actually doesn't help the village."

are you going for the wolf merit badge? no questioning any reads D1 now?

You can question things. I just don't think its helpful in general to be like "genny, give me all your reads!" "genny how do you have all those reads?" "genny how are you so confident in those reads?" "genny you didn't answer fast enough" "genny you are sus." You're creating a situation that is forcing them to dig in on things prematurely. As I stated it can make them throw out incorrect reads that others absorb, or cause others to read the person incorrectly. It's just a bad cycle.

Here is the frequently mis-quoted exchange. I found it when looking for the timing of me voting genny and shorty unvoting genny so I pulled it after all.

I'm willing to backburner Lou for now based on this. Becoming very sus of Dina, Kras, Please, I think if they are wolves it will be more damaging and if we're wrong hopefully we have a chance to see what's up with Ace or MsP.

I really am sus of Lou at this point though

Cray, I know you're going through the thread from the start based on what quotes you're pulling so you'll get to what I'm about to mention, but I just wanted to express my disagreement with this idea because Lainey's contributions D2/D3 moved her WAY up on my wolf reads.

Exactly. Like I said she went from blank--> weak village--> ??? ---> weak wolf ---> very wolfy for me.

I have to admit that I haven't fully understood why a couple of people have gotten hung up on my D1 vote and talked about it like I switched off genny at the last second. I pressed genny, but I changed my vote to Sloth hours before yeet close after they posted their sketchy reads list (and revised reads list) - so I changed from a wolf read to another wolf read (even though we now know that it was wrong) - but we didn't know that then and I had provided evidence of why I was switching.

Cray, you ended up not having a vote on D1 at all because you pulled yours and never replaced it ...

I'll be curious to see what your thoughts are when/if you get a chance to read the rest of the thread because I found that my reads of people from D1 changed quite a bit on D2/D3 as more people started to participate. Particularly Dina.

Edit: sweet jesus, my grammatical choices pre-caffeine are horrifying. Fixing.

Yeah I don't give you wolf points for moving off Genny at this point, or at least they've been negated by other village points. But I am not giving you village points for voting her and then leaving either.

Would genny usually point that out though? As a wolf, I don't think she would want to draw attention to a mistake made by her packmate. This is probably WIFOM territory I guess, and this is the first time I have played with wolf genny, so I might be overanalyzing her posts post-flip. I'm not defending please, I just don't know if forgetting to unvote is really AI or just a simple mistake.

Forgetting to unvote *could* be AI, context matters. Where you might see it would be a late fake bus attempt, to get towncred for voting a wolf in a way that wouldn't count. Not happening here exactly, but it is a thing.

Yes, genny might point that out on a packmate because *someone* was likely to catch that anyway, and she would want to at least leave some interacts however slight behind.

It's not a great point, but a thought I had.

Thank you for the clarification, and I will make note of that for Please's gameplay. From what I can tell, Genny has a lot of experience with WW, so I am sure she was extremely careful with her interactions. I don't want to read too much into something that appears insignificant, but I also understand your point, and I think I should revisit this if anything else from Please stands out to me as wolfy.

Wouldn't she just tell her in the wolf chat???

Sorry for the interruption in my posts. I got a migraine yesterday with all of the construction and passed out for a few hours. I was going to add more today, but my boss just called me in to help cover a shift that two of my coworkers are now out sick for. It was supposed to be one of my days off for school, but they are really pinched and were willing to take any hours I could lend them so I will not be home for a while. Likely going to be a late night and I am not sure when I will be getting back or able to see the chat next as I don't get breaks at my job until whenever the shift finishes. I will re-evaluate later if able, however, for the sake of time and to avoid the possibility of not getting a vote in before close tonight my best suspicion as outlined yesterday is still Yeet Lainey. May change later after potential re-evaluation but unlikely as of currently to change.

okay so I was about to change my vote from Ace to lainey, but now in light of Ace voting for Lainey I am just so confused about how to feel about that.

Going back and ISOing kras really didn't give me a better read on her, which doesn't give me a great feeling. The ratio of vague posts to analysis is pretty skewed, and I'd like to know more about her current vote choice versus some of the others. I'm starting to like breaking up my ISOs by organizing pulled quotes into blocks like I did with the last couple, so I'll try to do that again here, but it's harder because I'm not that clear on my read of kras.

Spoiler: Early vague posts

I would have liked more elaboration on this, but it never came.

I don't twitch at semantics arguments, but I sometimes think they're not the most productive either.

For some reason, I thought that quotes were not pulled on this, but I see that I have them pulled further down in this ISO so I guess they were.





Would have liked more detail on these reads and reads on other people

I thought this was really interesting to say because April had been super active on the thread to this point, it wasn't like she had just popped in and was being nice to noobs. It seemed avoidant to me.

Spoiler: Things where I didn't follow the logic

I found this interesting because Zenge was pretty clearly strong village from the get go - even if sloth flipped village, given how hard Z went after genny for the entirety of D1, I don't know that I would feel like I needed to reevaluate my read on him based on Sloth.

D1 is difficult, but as we've seen in this very game, D1 can get a wolf too. This feels avoidant coming from a more experienced player like kras and it gives me the willies.

Or wolf passing as village...

I don't take issue with this reads list, but looking at it and at the reasoning listed for the wolf reads, I'm not sure I totally follow why kras is voting Ace over Lainey or MsP.

I don't know. I feel like I have stronger wolf reads on other people who have been much more openly wolfy, but I'm not comfortable reading kras as village at this point either.

Yeah Kras isn't being strong village and if it comes too it I would yeet her, but I think we have better suspects right now.

For sure! I've been finding my vote tally tabs the most useful ones and I totally agree with this. I just don't like that the timing of my vote switch has been misconstrued a few times and want to keep the record straight.

I'm sorry I honestly remembered it that way. But yes I just looked back and you unyeeted genny at 4:15, and I yeeted her at 4:58.

As stated. Why did he escape yesterday? Why has his wagon evaporated today? That makes me more sus of him than lainey's noob vs noob wolf vibe or MsP's sudden appearance.

Yeah I feel weird about how it evaporated day 1 and 2, but also feel weird he's voting Lainey

This is kind of weird phrasing, yeah, we've caught 1 wolf but we've lost 5 villagers (one to modkill).

I don't like the idea of banking on a modkill when it's apparently MsP's MO to show up right before yeet and make minimum, and we've seen her do it in this thread once already. A yeet vote on a wolf isn't a wasted vote...

Edit: 5 villagers, typo said 6

A yeet of a wolf isn't a waste, but if you think you can yeet a wolf and mod kill a wolf than thats even better.

After looking through everything all over again...

##yeet MsP###

Reasons include...
Such long inactivity right up until yeet, little contribution to the discussion and wolf hunting in addition to their confidence and what read off as maybe arrogance.

this makes me feel MsP less because Lainey is more sus to me.

No. I left while there were still 2. You placed your vote 45 minutes after I took mine off.

Small detail, but I don't like that it keeps getting misstated (including by me, to be fair, because for some reason I missed your vote on my tally initially and I trusted you that it was after you placed yours, but I went back to check it today).

Again, this post was the reason I even pulled some of those earlier quotes because I didn't believe it lol. As I said above, I just looked back and you unyeeted genny at 4:15, and I yeeted her at 4:58.

 

[supershorty]

A yeet of a wolf isn't a waste, but if you think you can yeet a wolf and mod kill a wolf than thats even better.

I don't disagree, I just think that based on D2, we don't have a strong basis to think that MsP won't turn up an hour before and crank out a few more posts. But Lainey putting her vote on her has given me a little bit of pause.

 

[sunshinefl]

I don't disagree, I just think that based on D2, we don't have a strong basis to think that MsP won't turn up an hour before and crank out a few more posts. But Lainey putting her vote on her has given me a little bit of pause.

I really want to vote lainey. But now Ace is voting lainey, and lainey is voting Ms. P. and I'm just like who the heck is this pack anymore

 

[supershorty]

@Aprilthearab @Viscernable we haven't heard much at all from you both today, any thoughts?

 

[supershorty]

Here are my current thoughts. The pack I have in my head is Lainey, MsP, and potentially one more, which I have as either alley or Ace. But Ace currently has a vote on Lainey, and Lainey has a vote on MsP. Could be some grand noob bussing the whole pack plan, but it doesn't strike me as a strong strategy. Lainey has made herself seem much more wolfy to me in the last 2 days.

I'm back and forth on alley vs Ace as a potential 3rd remaining wolf because of Ace's super anti-village behavior for the first half of this game, but I am making a note of Lainey's omission of alley in her reads (when alley was specifically asked for), and I'm not sure how I feel about alley's wafflefest post from a little while ago.

I don't like feeling this unsure 3 hours out.

 

[Aprilthearab]

@Aprilthearab @Viscernable we haven't heard much at all from you both today, any thoughts?

Yes, just got home from work and catching up

 

[Aprilthearab]

I still have a couple pages to go back and read but I saw this here when Shorty tagged me

Here are my current thoughts. The pack I have in my head is Lainey, MsP, and potentially one more, which I have as either alley or Ace. But Ace currently has a vote on Lainey, and Lainey has a vote on MsP. Could be some grand noob bussing the whole pack plan, but it doesn't strike me as a strong strategy. Lainey has made herself seem much more wolfy to me in the last 2 days.

I'm back and forth on alley vs Ace as a potential 3rd remaining wolf because of Ace's super anti-village behavior for the first half of this game, but I am making a note of Lainey's omission of alley in her reads (when alley was specifically asked for), and I'm not sure how I feel about alley's wafflefest post from a little while ago.

This isn't meant to hand out village or wolfy points to anyone in particular, but as for some of the wolfiest people having votes on each other, I'm keeping in mind that they are still capable of changing their votes. That, and they might be trying to get village cred for having their vote there (even if they plan to pull their votes off) because, after all, this is a nooby bunch and they might not have thought too far. Or, a bigger brain move would be they could be trying to scare off other people from voting there because "one of my wolf reads is yeeting another one of my wolf reads so I'm less inclined to yeet there." We all know Cray is susceptible to changing her vote off of someone because there are too many of her wolf reads there. Regardless, there are a lot of reasons they could potentially have their votes on each other and I'm not really factoring that into my view of them unless they stay on that until yeet close AND one of the ones being stayed on actually does get yeeted.

 

[sunshinefl]

I still have a couple pages to go back and read but I saw this here when Shorty tagged me


This isn't meant to hand out village or wolfy points to anyone in particular, but as for some of the wolfiest people having votes on each other, I'm keeping in mind that they are still capable of changing their votes. That, and they might be trying to get village cred for having their vote there (even if they plan to pull their votes off) because, after all, this is a nooby bunch and they might not have thought too far. Or, a bigger brain move would be they could be trying to scare off other people from voting there because "one of my wolf reads is yeeting another one of my wolf reads so I'm less inclined to yeet there." We all know Cray is susceptible to changing her vote off of someone because there are too many of her wolf reads there. Regardless, there are a lot of reasons they could potentially have their votes on each other and I'm not really factoring that into my view of them unless they stay on that until yeet close AND one of the ones being stayed on actually does get yeeted.

well hot damn April. NAI but I am so excited to see you examining it from 85 angles.

 

[Aprilthearab]

well hot damn April. NAI but I am so excited to see you examining it from 85 angles.

Reading things at face value alone often doesn't reveal the underlying motivation so I think it's best to put those possibilities on the table before assuming exactly which possibility it is most likely to be

 

[kraskadva]

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[sunshinefl]

Reading things at face value alone often doesn't reveal the underlying motivation so I think it's best to put those possibilities on the table before assuming exactly which possibility it is most likely to be

oh yeah I agree and I love it. Unfortunately I feel like this is why people like to say I'm "hedging" when I say XYZ could be this or that.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Also, because Kras reminded me when she showed up just now (sorry Kras), I'm taking note of her inactivity in the last game when she was wolfing with me. She was mostly only on the thread when she was dragged onto it by AM and half of her posts were fighting with AM. Now, AM is not here and she is even less active, and since I don't really have much of anything else to use to read Kras/no village points to hand out there, I'm leaning that wolfy because I remembered she was considerably more active in the noob game as a villager. Even if that presence was goofy and not particularly productive, it was still presence. (I'm blanking on all the other games in between so if someone has input about those that would be appreciated)

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

I don't disagree, I just think that based on D2, we don't have a strong basis to think that MsP won't turn up an hour before and crank out a few more posts. But Lainey putting her vote on her has given me a little bit of pause.

i dont think its entirely impossible lainey's bussing again. i think it would be a bad move, but not impossible given what we've seen

 

[supershorty]

To be clear - I haven't seen anything that is making me rethink my read on either Lainey or MsP right now. I just am not feeling as certain of which one I want to put my vote on tonight.