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[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

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Has lainey made an appearance at all today?
Also I think I remember ace saying he would be more active today and I'm curious to see what form that takes

Unyeet lainey
Yeet ace
Pressure voting, ya talked a big game and I wanna see delivery

 

[Acehunter123]

Just finished a meeting with Cornell and I need to catch up a bit and then I will release my reads including the newer information.

 

[supershorty]

I have some reservations about everyone piling on Lainey, but maybe her wolf partners figured it was a lost cause today

Yeah, I don't really love this either, but I'm really hesitant to change my vote without something smacking me in the face with evidence.

I just got back so will do a quick ISO of pleasy, but I'm going to preface it with I haven't really had a wolf read on her to this point and there are a LOT of pages of posts from her, so it's going to take me a while.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Oh gosh sorry. Alley isnt suspicious to me. Im going back through in detail and so far i feel like theyre being a good village wolf hunter doing their village duties. i keep trying to find more and sdn kicks me back to the end ***eye twitches***

This really gives me "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" vibes. I'm not sure where this impression came from given Alley has been relatively inactive (for no fault of her own) until very recently and hasn't struck any "ah, she's villager" notes for me within that period of initial inactivity.

If only I was a member of the pack! Otherwise totally would!

Eeek

ONAH WHOEVET THE WOLF IS DO NOT KILL SHORTY!!! She’ll blame me!!!

Eeeeeeek

 

[Acehunter123]

This really gives me "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" vibes. I'm not sure where this impression came from given Alley has been relatively inactive (for no fault of her own) until very recently and hasn't struck any "ah, she's villager" notes for me within that period of initial inactivity.

Eeek

Eeeeeeek

If I recall correctly she made a similar comment to the last one following the death of AM and how she through she was "framed".

 

[supershorty]

If I recall correctly she made a similar comment to the last one following the death of AM and how she through she was "framed".

Correct.

 

[Acehunter123]

If I recall correctly she made a similar comment to the last one following the death of AM and how she through she was "framed".

Correction: Thought instead of through
Autocorrect sucks

 

[supershorty]

Okay, the one problem with ISOing 16 pages of posts is you get to the end and have a billion quotes pulled but can't necessarily remember why you pulled all of them. I'll try to organize the way I have for my other ISOs, but I have to be honest, I'm really not getting wolfy vibes from pleasy and that's making it harder for me to split this up neatly.

 

[sunshinefl]

Is this a rojo?

okay I had quoted this to make sure it was addressed and not forgotten, but it was

Not trying to destroy the village bloc, but from what I can tell Dina is the one with the shakiest basis for being there, if we think that the not so great play from Lainey/Ace/Alley/Kras might be NAI.

I don't know Dina's meta.

But Dubz sussed her, and MsP's dying breath said to look closely there as well. Besides myself (although I would argue I've been less effective in my vote-****ery) VCA looks worst here as well.

After losing genny I could totally see her taking out WZ and AM and then just letting/leading village to turn on the sus noobs left as an easy misyeet train to victory.

hmmm

@Crayola227 I'd love your thoughts on this before write up gets posted since it's my strong suspicion that either you or I will be NKed based on wolf hunting activity.

I am most confident at this point in my wolf read of Lainey. However, I'm starting to get more and more suspicious of Dina actually driving the pack, and I need to reevaluate a lot of that today. I'm feeling torn on which person to target because I feel like there's the most evidence for Lainey, but having a more experienced wolf still around is dangerous for village. This was the thinking that led to my misyeeting MsP too, and I'm really, really doubting myself now because of it. IF I'm correct on both of them (and there's no guarantee of that, obviously, although I've been making a huge effort on wolf hunting, the results have been disappointing), do you think it's better to go for the more solid read at this point? That's how I'm leaning with time running out in the game for a village win.

This was my point when I was sus'ing Ace yesterday but wondering if he was low hanging wolf fruit and if it was worth going after the biggest fish, but then decided to go with the strongest read at the time (ace) vs trying to find the strongest player.

I don't think it's really fair to not be present at yeet close and then monday morning quarterback



Yeah I've been having similar thoughts about cray



I clearly said why I moved. I announced it way before yeet close that I would be moving back to Msp if she showed up last minute. Her play was anti-village and you all agreed with that.



MsP didn't even vote for me and I wouldn't take someone who barely played read of me as serious



Are you serious? Cray's vote history is just as bad but I go into your wolf pile and she's for sure village? At least I didn't forget who I yeeted last night and then jumped on the Msp pile just in case she was a wolf

Yeah, this annoyed me too. And it's not like we hadn't had conversations about MsP's play being anti-village over the last day cycle.

I have no idea what I think right now, that's why I want to redo a bunch of ISOs today. But I need to consider a more experienced player being in the wolf pack, whether it's you or kras or someone else.

I fell asleep holding my laptop with all the lights on from sheer exhaustion. I wasn't just skipping around. I had Ms. P as ??? and felt Lainey was much wolfier. When I passed out Lainey was comfortably in the lead. Then there was a swing. And btw I never agreed with the "vote Ms P if she shows back up" plan. You can look back and I never agreed to that. In fact, I knew she had made some day 3 cycle posts early in the cycle but specifically didn't tell you guys in case she came back and made like 3 posts you would still think she was being mod killed without realizing she may have reached the threshold.

But not cray? 🤔

I might have to go back and read a game where she wolfed to see if power wolfing is part of her meta, because sunny brings up some good points

I also might be interested in going for alley.

This might seem hypocritical, but with Dina already having a shaky voting history, with Cray flipping village I am wondering if Dina could have just been stoking the Cray flame that I made. (to put more sus on cray, or to try to frame me with the NK, or to try to pocket me with agreeing-- not saying that definitely is what happened but thinking out loud).

Giving sunshine some wolf points for pushing the Cray tinfoil so hard. Not changing my overall village read of her for now, but I wanted to put this out there after her Monday morning QBing rubbed me the wrong way.

Leaving my vote on Lainey unless there's some really strong evidence elsewhere today.

I understand having some sus points for Cray being NK'ed, and I would worry about the same if it was someone else posting a case for Cray besides me. I get it. All I can say is it definitely was not me. I really thought it was a strong possibility.

It could be a more experienced player power wolfing and driving the pack (think dubz last game), so yeah I know I'm sus and maybe I'd vote for me too, but this isn't how I play wolf. I can't really say anything for my voting but I've been genuinely trying to wolf hunt. I never said I was good at this game

But now I see cray got NK (which wasn't a good choice for a NK in my opinion but w/e it helps us) so that makes me the most experienced player here so I'm going to say that's not happening here.

I think alley/please is interesting or alley/lainey. I might go back and iso when they mentioned each other. we need to check where reads are not matching up. I think it's between alley, lainey, ace, kras

I agree that Cray was a stupid choice for the wolves given I was sus of her and presenting a case on her, and that others could see some merit in my points. Since wolves will always NK a villager, i am actually thankful that they picked a villager I was sus of.

Uh no. I was responding to shorty's message, but Please was also questioning that same post from yesterday, and I saw her message and wanted to make sure she knew I had read her post. Dina was also questioning what I meant, but I had a lot of schoolwork and wasn't able to be on thread for several hours so I was unable to respond properly to any of them. Now I have to go back and quote it and explain further what I meant. I'm sorry for the confusion there.

Here is where alley explains.

This is a valid point. I know I've been suspicious this game and a lot of you have me on their wolf lists because I have been MIA and super busy in real life, but I am trying to keep caught up and help the village as much as I can.

If you think I am anti-village, vote me off. But I seriously think there are several more suspicious people that should be yeeted before you consider me.

I am trying to put aside your IRL struggles as NAI, but when the NAI is absence, it makes it hard to have much left to work with. You remaining in my maybe pile.

Reading catching up, I don't know how i feel about the sus'ing of Dina. I feel like maybe I haven't been analytical enough of her, esp. here as cray pointed out that dubz sus'd her and then MsP's on her way out post (although idk how much weight to give the MsP thing)

That is very WIFOM. One thing i'm having trouble with is that the three people left that haven't flipped are alley, ace and dina. ace is in my wolf reads, alley is in my not impossible to be a wolf read, and dina has stayed in my village ?I think? reads. so if I'm looking for one wolf in there, I'm not looking at dina

in light of the cray flip i don't super like sunshine's push on cray or dina sus'ing cray in addition to it. I'm beginning to consider maybe it's. although sunshine's sus'ing did, I admit, make a little bit of sense to me and read more as paranoia after a flip that we weren't expecting

I think it's some combination of two or three of
Ace, Lainey, kras, alley, dina


The last three are a little bit tied in the sense that they're not actually in my wolf reads, but i could see situations where they're in the pack.

I really thought I saw a case for Cray. Part of sharing that was to persuade others yes, but also to get feedback from other villagers. You and Dina both supported it so I thought that I wasn't crazy. It may seem unfair since it was my own idea, but as i said above I need to think about what the support of my idea means about you guys, especially Dina since she already has other sketch points.

I have some reservations about everyone piling on Lainey, but maybe her wolf partners figured it was a lost cause today

yes there is the whole philosophy that if there is no resistance, the wolves are happy, BUT say there were 3 total wolves. 1 was yeeted. 1 is leading for a yeet. What could the remaining wolf due to turn the tide? Not much. Even with 2 left. It would be hard while avoiding detection.

 

[sunshinefl]

Okay, the one problem with ISOing 16 pages of posts is you get to the end and have a billion quotes pulled but can't necessarily remember why you pulled all of them. I'll try to organize the way I have for my other ISOs, but I have to be honest, I'm really not getting wolfy vibes from pleasy and that's making it harder for me to split this up neatly.

I feel you. Happens to me not just with ISOing but even with just catching up if there are several pages.

 

[sunshinefl]

YEET LAINEY

 

[sunshinefl]

I tried yesterday and she remains the most sus especially since my other sus is gone.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

This might seem hypocritical, but with Dina already having a shaky voting history, with Cray flipping wolf I am wondering if Dina could have just been stoking the Cray flame that I made.

????????

I really thought I saw a case for Cray. Part of sharing that was to persuade others yes, but also to get feedback from other villagers. You and Dina both supported it so I thought that I wasn't crazy. It may seem unfair since it was my own idea, but as i said above I need to think about what the support of my idea means about you guys, especially Dina since she already has other sketch points.

that's fair. for me it was just the proximity of events

 

[supershorty]

Spoiler: Earlier posts

Ok the thread has slowed down enough for me to collect my thoughts, especially since I'll be largely absent tomorrow (anniversary with partner).

I don't love cray's focus on sloth's vote for the first pageish. my impression of the first half of day one is everyone casts a joke vote and we all change it when something actually happens. other than that sounds like normal village cray to me

some of lainey's posts would ping me a little if she weren't basically a fresh noob. she only got 1 day last game so i don't super count it
alley sounds like village alley
i'ont trust april one bit after last game, so im not sure where to put her posts at all. same goes for WZ. i need to get a better handle on their tones
I also don't like the focus on april's salt vote, i feel like it's too much attention for something minor? although that can be a direct consquence of there just not being too much to go off of yet

i thought this was an interesting post and i wanted to just keep it where i can see it in the context of reading shorty's posts

That last line was referring to Cray saying I was too smart to give the noobs the benefit of the doubt, in case you were wondering. However, I think my interactions with Ace have shown that I am, in fact, not giving the noobs the benefit of the doubt like I thought I was going to, instead I'm biting their heads off 😳

Sunshine sounds like village sunshine to me
Dr roro I don’t have a tonal read yet
Zenge sounds very similar to last game so I’m scootching him on over to the village pile for now
Idk how to spell that
I’m gonna pop in as much as I can and give general impressions but we’re about to start anniversary festivities with walking to our favorite pastry shop🥰

I agreed with these reads.

I wanted to get this one to keep it in mind as i read sloth's stuff but I also feel like that's just how sloth plays? kinda similar to me (and I could be reading this wrong) but I kinda take an innocent until proven guilty approach and i think sloth might more or less do the same?

This had given me a tiny bit of pause initially but given that Sloth flipped village, doesn't read like defending the way it did before the flip.

I'm gonna yeet MsP for now

I think this was following Dina's posting about MsP

Spoiler: Posts that are more reads-related

looking at the people in the ties, i don't like how ace came on, said april was a wolf and didn't give a lot of explanation, and then left and we haven't heard from since

unyeet MsPTop
yeet Ace

to get the heck away from a tie and also to get an explanation for the april stuff.

This seemed reasonable to me because Ace has been wolfy consistently.

i don't like that the response to please explain your reads was a fairly similar looking reads list, which also had no explanations. but i'll keep reading and see if that changed.

but (and i could be wrong) i don't remember anyone pushing her to post reads

This is the same issue that I'd taken with Sloth's reads lists (although I'd argue that I was pushing for them to be posted, and I know sunshine would say I was doing that and being mean)

i think these z/genny interactions are interesting. maybe w/v or v/v

Pleasy, I'm curious if you remember if you thought at this point that genny was definitely village or if you were saying that that pairing could go either way?

i don't like this vote, it read to me as genuine joke? and it seems a bit close to yeet for this to be a joke vote. if i finish my catchup and april's still on this one is definitely an eyebrow raise

This was in reference to April's genny vote

interested to see where this goes. but this paired with the stuff from p4 that i mentioned makes me thing April and ace are not w/w, i don't think bussing that hard is reasonable

Agreed with this

while im tempted to read this as genuine, it reminds me a leetle bit of when someone was caught for essentially a typing mistake that made it clear they were faking reads and i don't like it

I think this was in reference to Sloth saying that there really wasn't a difference in their neutral vs ???? reads and I took issue with the same thing.

it was the questionable reads lists posted earlier without much explanation + the saying that ???/neutral were the same upon reflection didn't sit right with me, and the latter made me vote

i think this gets the genny vote to 6 (maybe 7) and that's awfully big. definitely some wolves hiding in there. i don't have her strongly in either category, but i think whatever she flips it'll be interesting to see who was on the vote

I feel like the only wolfy possibility left on the genny wagon is Lainey - the others on there were Z, Dubz, sunshine, April, and Vissy

I thought this was interesting and wanted to keep this in mind as I keep reading. I know who's morning dead during this catchup btw. My current hmms are sloth, shorty (though I doubt they would be in a pack together, and shorty is admittedly a much weaker suspicion than sloth), ace and dina.

As far as I can tell, my being part of this list was solely based on Cray's earlier comment regarding my giving the noobs the benefit of the doubt?

i don't like this comment by lainey, i'm feeling worse about her as time goes on.

interesting point paired with my feelings abt Lainey

quoted this bc i agree and also just a placemarker for me reading the lainey/AM interactions. ew fighting.
I think that the frustration from lainey towards AM is NAI, and doesn't put her more wolf or village. What does push her a little more wolfy to me was the frustration (and this was just my interpretation) of AM ISO'ing her, when AM was ISO'ing everyone who interacted w genny that she didn't have as clear.

what's the connection?

Lots of Lainey sus early

caught up


yeet sloth


close close eye on lainey

More Lainey sus

this is the post where i start having issues with sloth. no one had prompted her to post a full roster reads list beyond maybe a hey whatchya thinking i maybe missed. i found the volunteering of a list with literally no logic real fishy

doesn't say anything concrete on anyone (although it's mid D1 so that i dont super have an issue with)

then this is where my problem gets pretty solidified. between the lists everyone was like "its weird to post a list with no explanation. please give us explanation" then sloth said here's another list with a single sentence of kinda sorta explanation

putting this here

this i think was the only explanation we got. no reasons beyond village, which is easy enough to stay vague on.

Explanation of why Sloth given her Lainey suspicions

this could be defense without actually being defense. esp because she was irritated w AM asking her questions that a post 2 above had explained, when this question had been addressed in the previous posts i made on the same page/page before. an intentional misunderstanding kinda thing

More Lainey

unyeet sloth
yeet ace

ace just skyrocketed past sloth in sus

This is when Ace seemed like he was openly wolfing badly and quite a few of us thought it was really weird.

this is gonna get very WIFOM very fast, careful. most people sus inactivity but you're thinking it's more village? I'm curious as for why? Like you said that you think that they would be on more trying to make themselves look more village, but im curious as to what you think of the other side of the coin (some people say inactivity is trying to just hide and fly under the radar)

Pushing Lainey

I mean i don't think it's IMPOSSIBLE but i also don't think it's likely. granted, april has remained in my neutral (leaning village but only due to i don't learn and nice!April bias bc i like her a lot) and ace has been in my wolf reads for a hot minute now
but i think that if they were in a pack together, ace wouldnt be messing up and saying wolfy stuff so often on the thread bc i feel like he'd be more likely to listen to april

I agree with this, April has wolfed once and did a really good job of it - I'd imagine that if she were in the pack, she'd at least be coaching them to not say openly wolfy things.

Although I say that like the pack is self destructing, and while we think we have one now, our record is not great.

I'm finding dina's points on MsP compelling, and definitely a cause for concern.
As far as MsP's ace vote, if they were in a pack, I can understand the vote still. At that point the majority of us were/are sus'ing ace so that seems like pretty easy village cred to grab, swooping in and getting rid of ace as she attempted to do.
but i can also see a situation where I'm wrong, ace is village, and MsP is just playing her wolf-meta (I might be misusing meta) like Dina says.
This is what I meant earlier, I think the disjointed wolf pack approach is really making it hard to see any packs, because with each flip i can't necessarily discount or confirm pack members

I'm worried that several of us, including me, are getting too hung up on pack dynamics and not focusing enough on individual wolfy actions.

who do you think might be in Lainey's pack? from your post im inferring cray but also if you've said it before i apologize

I think if I remember correctly she was asking this of Vissy?

i've been thinking that a little bit too. even as the divided pack i think they might be, this is a bit far for that. ace has moved down my sus list this morning bc my main issues were tunneling with very little evidence and then saying weird stuff last night, but lainey has moved up and they're about tied right now in wolfyness, but im beginning to think it's more of an either/or than i previously thought.
unyeet ace
yeet lainey
i wanna see where that goes

Back to Lainey suspicions that she had before

this in combination with a post cray made earlier makes me even more ???? about lainey and pushing her further into wolf. I'm interested to see that flip tonight.

Pleasy's been on the Lainey train of thought for a while, that's what this ISO is telling me.

I agree that there's been some tonal change in Ace but I don't think it's gone wolfy>villagey. I think it went noob wolfing and barely posting> ok i got told i need to contribute more, so i'm gonna ask people to ask me questions.

Yeah I mean, I didn't say that I was reading Ace village, I just did see A tonal shift when I did his ISO. It wasn't profound. It wasn't Z-level wolf --> village by any stretch.

I mean I think it's dissolved bc Lainey is being sketch. To me, Lainey is more surely a wolf than ace right now and I'd rather vote on someone I'm more sure of

This seems reasonable to me based on Lainey's posts.

ok, updated reads:
Alley: still solidly in neutrals. I don't want to make the same mistake last time of i like her=village, and her personal life has been really difficult lately so she hasn't been on much. She's pretty echoey but it's hard not to be echoey when you're playing a lot of catchup
Lainey: super wolfy vibes. I maintain that I'm more sure of her being a wolf than other people at this point, but i think the point that shorty and then alley made is an important one to consider, MsP may be more dangerous as a wolf than Lainey. And then as alley pointed out, MsP is lw dangerous to village as village, if that's where it flips.

I'm not totally sure why she's still leaving Alley in neutrals at this point but since I don't have date stamps on pulled quotes, I don't remember if this was before or after Lainey started being super Alley-avoidant and sketchy. I think it was before.

Cray has been pretty solidly in my village reads, she's playing as I've seen her play village before, but the one little thought I had that took away a village point during my catch-up is that she is throwing suspicion EVERYWHERE. I know she addressed it in a post early on last night, but that could be addressing it so that no one else can question it later. I dont necessarily think she's wolf at all, and aggro village Cray is normal, but I can't tell who her village reads are at all and that gives me a little bit of pause

Agreed with this too, paranoia!Cray seems like standard village!Cray from when I've totted games, sometimes it seems like Cray even gets sus of herself (Cray, if you're reading this, I say this with the utmost respect).

those were just the ones cray asked for, everyone else:
ace: definitely not letting go of the possibility he's wolf. I've felt a little better about him in the past 24 hours, especially bc a lot of my suspicion was a split second reaction to what he said before yeet last time
alley; above
april; above
cray; above
dina: this one is hard. i have her in neutral leaning village, i agree with a good amount of her points and she does seem to be wolf hunting. The only reason she's not in village solidly is bc a few of my village reads have sus'd her and i think there's a little bit of weight to that
kras: another difficult one. Pretty solidly neutral with a little caveat of could be wolf. playing a little less chaotic than I've seen before, which I'm not sure what that means for AI. I think cray's point of kras stretching on lainey is interesting, bc (as cray pointed out) there are a lot of other reasons to sus lainey, but again, i don't think this is anything damning. I think there's a possibility that kras is doing a combination of flying under the radar (although I do largely believe that inactivity is NAI, we are all very busy people) because of some of the content of her posts, with a little bit of bold-woofing
lainey; above
MsP: wolfy. I agree with a lot of shorty's points and Dina's suspicions and I think kras and alley too about the danger of keeping MsP around. In an earlier post I noted that I'm keeping my vote on lainey for now, but if it doesn't look like MsP is gonna be modkilled, I will probably move to MsP.
sunshine: weak village. from what I've seen, playing how village sunshine does. doin some wolf hunting. keeping sunshine away from neutral is that I don't think it's super likely that theyre in a pack with my top wolf reads, but this could do with some reevaluation and I'll probably ISO sunshine to get a stronger feeling after my homework tonight
shorty; above
visc: difficult. in neutral for me, another one where busy life has made it kinda hard to read this game. I think that the catch up posts have some substance to them, but I also don't know who the village reads are. another one I need to go back and ISO and get a stronger read on.
i think that's everyone. I kept counting 11 and I was like no there are 12 players! Me, I'm the 12th player. christ

More reads that are consistent with her reads she posted before.

Ok Ily alley but this gave me pause.
It reads to me like you haven't really read what people have been saying/are misunderstanding on purpose and trying to plant seeds for a waffle right before close.
Jic, from what I understand, shorty and Dina are both on the lainey and MsP are both sus but MsP is dangerous either way let's yeet her train
I'm going more towards that direction as the day progresses, but for now I'm on lainey but have said I'm gonna go over to MsP if it looks like she's unlikely a mod kill (which I understand is waffling in itself, but i read your post as let's plan a village-wide waffle)

Calling out Alley - since I have a wolfy read on Alley right now, this struck me as villagey, but I could be wrong.

what do you think of her interactions with other people, why is she village and not ???

Questioning Lainey

contingency yeet lainey

Back to her Lainey vote from before

Unyeet lainey
Yeet ace
Pressure voting, ya talked a big game and I wanna see delivery

I think this is interesting and I'm curious to see where it goes.

Oof. Nothing in there really jumped out at me. Keeping my weak village read on pleasy for now...

 

[supershorty]

I fell asleep holding my laptop with all the lights on from sheer exhaustion. I wasn't just skipping around. I had Ms. P as ??? and felt Lainey was much wolfier. When I passed out Lainey was comfortably in the lead. Then there was a swing. And btw I never agreed with the "vote Ms P if she shows back up" plan. You can look back and I never agreed to that. In fact, I knew she had made some day 3 cycle posts early in the cycle but specifically didn't tell you guys in case she came back and made like 3 posts you would still think she was being mod killed without realizing she may have reached the threshold.

I didn't say you agreed to it, I just didn't know why you acted like it was so shocking that it had happened when Dina and I had been stating for HOURS that we would move our votes if MsP came back. Again, it sucks that we didn't get a wolf last night, but this is why anti-village play is so damaging.

I understand having some sus points for Cray being NK'ed, and I would worry about the same if it was someone else posting a case for Cray besides me. I get it. All I can say is it definitely was not me. I really thought it was a strong possibility.

I honestly said that just to needle you a little because I was irritated. It didn't change my read of you. 😉

I agree that Cray was a stupid choice for the wolves given I was sus of her and presenting a case on her, and that others could see some merit in my points. Since wolves will always NK a villager, i am actually thankful that they picked a villager I was sus of.

I don't really understand this because Cray was, IMO, the obvious NK choice before your posts just based on the sheer amount of wolf hunting she'd been doing, just like Zenge was the obvious choice the night before. If they're picking their targets based on activity level, there's a clear pattern in who they kill.

yes there is the whole philosophy that if there is no resistance, the wolves are happy, BUT say there were 3 total wolves. 1 was yeeted. 1 is leading for a yeet. What could the remaining wolf due to turn the tide? Not much. Even with 2 left. It would be hard while avoiding detection.

I agree with this to some extent.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Pleasy, I'm curious if you remember if you thought at this point that genny was definitely village or if you were saying that that pairing could go either way?

i think it was more a the pairing could go either way

my being part of this list was solely based on Cray's earlier comment regarding my giving the noobs the benefit of the doubt

yes. that was the comment that put you temporarily on my ?? read carefully list

 

[supershorty]

yes. that was the comment that put you temporarily on my ?? read carefully list

Lol meanwhile I read that comment and was like "Cray doesn't think I'm a TOTAL dummy! "

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Lol meanwhile I read that comment and was like "Cray doesn't think I'm a TOTAL dummy! "

I think all the vets think i'm an absolute idiot. which is ok, bc i am

 

[kaydubs]

Are You Afraid of Day 4 Yeet Tally

Acehunter (2) - kras, vetschools
LaineyLou (6) - supershorty, Acehunter, Dina, April, alleycat, sunshine

8/10

Leading: @LaineyLou

Missing: @Viscernable @LaineyLou

Yeet/Vote closing at 10pm Eastern, TODAY, Thursday, 2/11/2021 ???? (~3.5 hours)

 

[supershorty]

@Dinashadow I forgot pleasy's voting record because I don't have my life together, so here it is:

D1: MsP (vote placed 5.5 hours before yeet close) -->unyeet MsP, yeet Ace (a little less than an hour later) --> unyeet Ace, yeet sloth (1 hour before yeet close)

D2: Sloth (vote placed >24 hours before yeet close) --> unyeet sloth, yeet Ace (<1 hour to yeet close)

D3: Ace (vote placed >24 hours before yeet close) --> unyeet Ace, yeet Lainey (5.5ish hours to yeet close) --> unyeet Lainey, yeet MsP (half an hour to yeet close)

 

[Dinashadow]

I fell asleep holding my laptop with all the lights on from sheer exhaustion. I wasn't just skipping around. I had Ms. P as ??? and felt Lainey was much wolfier. When I passed out Lainey was comfortably in the lead. Then there was a swing. And btw I never agreed with the "vote Ms P if she shows back up" plan. You can look back and I never agreed to that. In fact, I knew she had made some day 3 cycle posts early in the cycle but specifically didn't tell you guys in case she came back and made like 3 posts you would still think she was being mod killed without realizing she may have reached the threshold.

Oh I never inferred that you were supposed to switch to MsP, just that I announced my plan earlier in the day when I switched to Lainey and short and pleasey both said they were going to do it too, so I don't think anyone should be surprised by my switch.

This might seem hypocritical, but with Dina already having a shaky voting history, with Cray flipping wolf I am wondering if Dina could have just been stoking the Cray flame that I made. (to put more sus on cray, or to try to frame me with the NK, or to try to pocket me with agreeing-- not saying that definitely is what happened but thinking out loud).

Just clarifying what you're saying here. Do you think I was sheeping your cray read to put more sus on cray to NK her? Or try to frame you for it (when I have you hard cleared and have for days)? I guess the last one is plausible but I've been ??? on cray for a few days. I put her in my neutral pile and kept telling everyone to be careful just throwing her in their village piles especially after what happened with dubz last game.

I understand having some sus points for Cray being NK'ed, and I would worry about the same if it was someone else posting a case for Cray besides me. I get it. All I can say is it definitely was not me. I really thought it was a strong possibility.

I don't think anyone is suspecting you for that. The wolf pack seems to like taking out veteran players.

yes there is the whole philosophy that if there is no resistance, the wolves are happy, BUT say there were 3 total wolves. 1 was yeeted. 1 is leading for a yeet. What could the remaining wolf due to turn the tide? Not much. Even with 2 left. It would be hard while avoiding detection.

Yeah I'm inclined to agree with this

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Just finished a meeting with Cornell and I need to catch up a bit and then I will release my reads including the newer information.

whatchya got?

 

[supershorty]

I think all the vets think i'm an absolute idiot. which is ok, bc i am

I am too, but at least I feel like I'm an idiot who is really making an effort in this game.

Even if I suck at it. I'll just laugh and cry at the same time. And then be sad when I go to dead chat and see how disappointed everyone is lol

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

And then be sad when I go to dead chat and see how disappointed everyone is lol

me last game omg

 

[Dinashadow]

I am too, but at least I feel like I'm an idiot who is really making an effort in this game.

Even if I suck at it. I'll just laugh and cry at the same time. And then be sad when I go to dead chat and see how disappointed everyone is lol

This is like my 15th game and I'll still maintain that I am not a good WW player 😳 but it's fun so I keep coming back

 

[supershorty]

This is like my 15th game and I'll still maintain that I am not a good WW player 😳 but it's fun so I keep coming back

I have genuinely sadlaughed at the posts that are like "what if shorty is powerwolfing" and I'm like LOL I WISH I WERE ANYWHERE NEAR GOOD ENOUGH TO PULL THAT OFF

Instead I get to feel like I'm putting in a whole lot of work to accomplish a whole lot of suckitude 😢
but that's what PhD life feels like too so I'm used to it?

 

[Dinashadow]

I have genuinely sadlaughed at the posts that are like "what if shorty is powerwolfing" and I'm like LOL I WISH I WERE ANYWHERE NEAR GOOD ENOUGH TO PULL THAT OFF

Instead I get to feel like I'm putting in a whole lot of work to accomplish a whole lot of suckitude 😢

Spoiler: Putting this in spoilers because I legit don't want you to think I'm pocketing you, this is my true thoughts

Remember what dubz said last game, it's not about the outcome of the game, it's about the journey. As long as you're having fun and enjoy the mystery solving then who cares if your reads aren't always amazing. Plus this is like your 3rd game and you wolfed once? Give yourself some credit

I think all the vets think i'm an absolute idiot. which is ok, bc i am

Spoiler

I promise you they absolutely don't. If you come on and make an effort nobody will fault you for that. Ya'll should go back and read some older games of some of the veteran players choking (I've done it too). It'll make you feel better 😉

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

by my count we have 10 people left and the thread is so quiet so close to yeet, i don't like it
@Acehunter123, @kraskadva, @LaineyLou, @Viscernable wya?

 

[supershorty]

Spoiler: Putting this in spoilers because I legit don't want you to think I'm pocketing you, this is my true thoughts

Remember what dubz said last game, it's not about the outcome of the game, it's about the journey. As long as you're having fun and enjoy the mystery solving then who cares if your reads aren't always amazing. Plus this is like your 3rd game and you wolfed once? Give yourself some credit

Spoiler

It's my 3rd game technically but I was yeeted on D1 of my second game and I wolfed in my first game so this is really the first time I've wolfhunted 🙁

 

[supershorty]

Spoiler: Putting this in spoilers because I legit don't want you to think I'm pocketing you, this is my true thoughts

Remember what dubz said last game, it's not about the outcome of the game, it's about the journey. As long as you're having fun and enjoy the mystery solving then who cares if your reads aren't always amazing. Plus this is like your 3rd game and you wolfed once? Give yourself some credit

Spoiler

I promise you they absolutely don't. If you come on and make an effort nobody will fault you for that. Ya'll should go back and read some older games of some of the veteran players choking (I've done it too). It'll make you feel better 😉

Also I genuinely appreciate this post, but for some reason, the idea that a spoiler would make or break it being pocketing is really making me laugh. I don't know if it's actually funny or if that's just where my brain is today...

 

[Dinashadow]

Anyways I was thinking about the posts regarding possible wolf counts and I might be leaning three wolves total, mostly because there's a lot of vanilla villagers and it seems the wolves got an extra kill, so balancing wise I think 3 would be fair. I don't know how this helps us find a wolf, just wanted to put it out there I guess.

 

[Dinashadow]

Also I genuinely appreciate this post, but for some reason, the idea that a spoiler would make or break it being pocketing is really making me laugh. I don't know if it's actually funny or if that's just where my brain is today...

It was the best I can do to make it seem non game related . You can look at it again after the game is over

 

[sunshinefl]

????????

what was confusing. The statement you're ?????ing to explained details in the parenthesis you omitted.

Oh I never inferred that you were supposed to switch to MsP, just that I announced my plan earlier in the day when I switched to Lainey and short and pleasey both said they were going to do it too, so I don't think anyone should be surprised by my switch.

not surprised, disappointed.

Just clarifying what you're saying here. Do you think I was sheeping your cray read to put more sus on cray to NK her? Or try to frame you for it (when I have you hard cleared and have for days)? I guess the last one is plausible but I've been ??? on cray for a few days. I put her in my neutral pile and kept telling everyone to be careful just throwing her in their village piles especially after what happened with dubz last game.

I'm not sure what happened and they're all possibilities. This is how I think about everything (from 24 angles).

I am too, but at least I feel like I'm an idiot who is really making an effort in this game.

Even if I suck at it. I'll just laugh and cry at the same time. And then be sad when I go to dead chat and see how disappointed everyone is lol

This is the longest I have lived as uniformed. It's so weird. For the human doctor peeps here, I study with Uworld on tutor mode because I can't wait to see if I was right. It feels weird to still be speculating on the side of the living.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

what was confusing. The statement you're ?????ing to explained details in the parenthesis you omitted.

i was confused about the cray flipping wolf part. I think i'm misreading it or like just not understanding it?

 

[WildZoo]

but that's what PhD life feels like too so I'm used to it?

*******
#solidarity
*******

 

[sunshinefl]

i was confused about the cray flipping wolf part. I think i'm misreading it or like just not understanding it?

typing error sorry. *please don't kill me for error. Am not wolf.*

 

[sunshinefl]

by my count we have 10 people left and the thread is so quiet so close to yeet, i don't like it
@Acehunter123, @kraskadva, @LaineyLou, @Viscernable wya?

@kaydubs did everyone acknowledge 12 hour cycle? did anyone object?

 

[sunshinefl]

can we just majority yeet Lainey and go into night cycle now? lol

 

[alleycat03]

What are your thoughts on pleasy? Sorry if you posted and I missed them. I'm battling a migraine today

I hope you're feeling better! Migraines are the worst.

These posts are making me feel like you NK'd cray

Yeah I was definitely focused on Cray because she was leading the charge and wolfhunting a lot, and I'm really disappointed she was killed because she was a veteran doing some serious heavy lifting when it came to figuring out who the wolves are.

I am trying to put aside your IRL struggles as NAI, but when the NAI is absence, it makes it hard to have much left to work with. You remaining in my maybe pile.

Valid. My personal life struggles are interfering with all other aspects of my life (school, work, clubs, and WW) and it really sucks and I hate it, but it's no fault of my own. I don't recommend ****ty roommates to anyone. It's also apparently really hard to get out of a lease. I don't want to let you all down but I'm trying to contribute as much as I can.

Oof. Nothing in there really jumped out at me. Keeping my weak village read on pleasy for now...

Thank you for doing this ISO. I agree with your points and I think Please is not a wolf, but there's not enough evidence to say she's definitely village.
Nothing from her has stood out to me as wolfy, but I don't want to just give her a pass and mark her as village because I like her as a person. April tricked me last game, so I'm not letting it happen again.

I don't really understand this because Cray was, IMO, the obvious NK choice before your posts just based on the sheer amount of wolf hunting she'd been doing, just like Zenge was the obvious choice the night before. If they're picking their targets based on activity level, there's a clear pattern in who they kill.

I agree with Shorty. The wolves took out most of the vets as soon as they could, and then they've been picking off our most active and wolfhunting villagers. Cray was a pretty logical choice, because even though Sunny was suspicious of her, I don't know if anybody else would be. Plus the wolves could have submitted their night action before Cray and Sunny were on thread last night.

I am too, but at least I feel like I'm an idiot who is really making an effort in this game.

Even if I suck at it. I'll just laugh and cry at the same time. And then be sad when I go to dead chat and see how disappointed everyone is lol

me last game omg

I also feel like an idiot this game, and I honestly wish this game would just end because I'm struggling IRL. But the only way for it to end is to catch the wolves, so I'm doing my best trying to contribute so we can get this game over.

Spoiler

It's my 3rd game technically but I was yeeted on D1 of my second game and I wolfed in my first game so this is really the first time I've wolfhunted 🙁

Shorty, you're doing an amazing job, honestly you and Z are just a WW power couple at this point. Props to you.

 

[supershorty]

Shorty, you're doing an amazing job, honestly you and Z are just a WW power couple at this point. Props to you.

Spoiler

This is VERY nice of you, but I feel like Z is the wunderkind in the sandbox and I'm the one eating sand and getting Baylisascaris 🤣 at least he's actually good at reads

 

[sunshinefl]

The more people point out the wolves are just picking off the vets, the more I feel better about the lainey yeet.

 

[supershorty]

I'll be curious to see if they stick with that pattern tonight now that we're calling attention to it.

Any more ISOs y'all want before that? Because if they stick with their current MO of vets or high wolfhunting activity, I think I might get dead.

 

[sunshinefl]

Yeah I was definitely focused on Cray because she was leading the charge and wolfhunting a lot, and I'm really disappointed she was killed because she was a veteran doing some serious heavy lifting when it came to figuring out who the wolves are.


I agree with Shorty. The wolves took out most of the vets as soon as they could, and then they've been picking off our most active and wolfhunting villagers. Cray was a pretty logical choice, because even though Sunny was suspicious of her, I don't know if anybody else would be. Plus the wolves could have submitted their night action before Cray and Sunny were on thread last night.

well offhand, vetschools and Dina both expressed some support of the idea. Could have been more but at least them.

i want to go back and see if this is consistent for alley's comments about Cray.

 

[sunshinefl]

another thing, I know some people have mentioned not being surprised about cray being the NK and suspecting shorty is next, but since they're not my top village block AND I really thought I was the obvious choice, it makes me wonder about 2 possible motivations for the wolves not killing me yet:

1. 1 or more wolves are nice people and sympathetic to me being murdered early
2. 1 or more of the wolves are in my village reads

 

[supershorty]

Well, it seems like if Lainey tells the wolves not to kill you that night, you somehow don't end up dead. Just based on my experience last night.

Not sure how that will work when Lainey's gone though since I kind of felt like she was talking to herself with that comment.

 

[supershorty]

Speaking of Lainey, @LaineyLou , whatcha up to? Yeet's closing in 2ish hours

 

[supershorty]

@Acehunter123 you too

Vissy's liking comments so I think she's getting caught up

 

[Acehunter123]

My vote will likely not change tonight especially because I do not want to see another shift off of Lainey who is still my highest wolf suspect.
The majority of my suspicion towards Alley was primarily due to the low posting. I definitely feel there have been a lot more posts recently which I am taking note of and trying to read through. My next largest concern is Kras primarily for the same reason of really not seeing too much, especially until right before voting. I acknowledge that my posting has been rather limited as well and that they may very well be busy with other things. This is just my initial feelings that make me uncomfortable and will be building on it more with evidence and quotes. My new plan was to go through each post from the beginning and flag parts that seemed suspicious given their context similar to what I was seeing Cray do last night and over the last few days. I need to go out, but should only be about 30 minutes, so I will be back as soon as I can. Currently looking over everyone's posts at once but as I find suspicious quotes for anyone I will be posting them with context.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

My vote will likely not change tonight especially because I do not want to see another shift off of Lainey who is still my highest wolf suspect.
The majority of my suspicion towards Alley was primarily due to the low posting. I definitely feel there have been a lot more posts recently which I am taking note of and trying to read through. My next largest concern is Kras primarily for the same reason of really not seeing too much, especially until right before voting. I acknowledge that my posting has been rather limited as well and that they may very well be busy with other things. This is just my initial feelings that make me uncomfortable and will be building on it more with evidence and quotes. My new plan was to go through each post from the beginning and flag parts that seemed suspicious given their context similar to what I was seeing Cray do last night and over the last few days. I need to go out, but should only be about 30 minutes, so I will be back as soon as I can. Currently looking over everyone's posts at once but as I find suspicious quotes for anyone I will be posting them with context.

thats a big plan for like 2 hours to yeet, esp if you're gonna lose half an hour. id reevaluate that strategy

 

[supershorty]

thats a big plan for like 2 hours to yeet, esp if you're gonna lose half an hour. id reevaluate that strategy

46 pages in an hour and a half.

Uffda.