Those Applying to AA School....

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  1. KNC

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    For those of you applying to the Anesthesiologist Assistant programs, How many of you are taking the MCAT and how many of you are taking the GRE?.....How many schools are you applying to and why?....Just trying to find some comradery out there for those of us that are applying......
     
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  3. Josh L.Ac.

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    Only applying to UMKC because I do not want to relocate my family, including my wife's acupuncture practice.


    MCAT is required and I just suffered through the June 13th administration of the test.
     
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    how do you think that you did?
     
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    After four weeks of prep, my practice scores were in the low 30's.


    On the real test, I'll be lucky to get a 25.
     
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    You probably did better that you think...It is the month long waitng to find out that is the real problem!!! Is UMKC's application deadline october like Case Western's? If so...You have some time to take it again if you do not like the scores you receive...:)
     
  7. Josh L.Ac.

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    Application due date is August, although I was told that if I get my scores from my retest before my interview, I should be set. I have to get at least a 25 in order to waive the prerequisite-are-to-old rule.
     
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    Hey Josh,


    Do you know if UMKC is going to take more than 8 students this year...If so, will you apply elsewhere if you do not get in there?? ( I am aware that you do not want to re-locate, but sometimes circumstances change)
     
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    I was told that they are taking 10 students and expecting 100+ applications. I feel that my application is going to be pretty solid, but if I don't get in, I'll try to work on my deficiencies to bring my application up to speed.


    But I am not going to relocate. In terms of the AA field, KC represents the edge of the abyss. With Oklahoma licensing AA's a few weeks ago, the rest of the Midwest is about to open up...and I would like to be a part of it.
     
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    This is definitely the truth.....I understand completely
     
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    Aren't CRNAs licensed to practice in all states and AAs licensed to practice in only a few states?

    I have seen people who already have a BSN who go the AA route instead of the CRNA route. Why?
     
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    from the Anesthesia Record, Fall 2005, Letter to the Editor

    Don't shoot the messenger
     
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    i don't know what kind of research that person did, but his idea of CRNA school is quite the misconception...
     
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    That is part of my thinking exactly - took the words out of my mouth!
    Good luck!

    :luck:
     
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    I don't think that it really makes a difference.....unless you are planning on traveling to all 50 states in your lifetime and plan on living in most of them, why does it matter?.....18 states is pretty good, and it seems to be climbing at least one a year.......And that independence mess is just PR.....most of them do not work that way, so in the end , it is about where you want to live
     
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  17. Josh L.Ac.

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    I'll actually agree with you on that one...it sounded more like my complaints against the FNP program I was in, not a CRNA program.
     
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    Well in a nursing program, you would definitely not have taken all the AA prerequisites. Just seems like the CRNA route would be much easier (given that you had a BSN) for the same end point...
     
  19. Josh L.Ac.

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    Correct, the traditional BSN would not have all the basic science prerequisites for AA school and would probably bomb the MCAT.


    But for those of us that did a bachelors in biology before nursing, AA school looks like a great alternative.
     
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    I took the GRE and I'm applying to South, Emory, and Nova. It's been a while since I took my science courses as I finished a respiratory therapy program after taking the science pre-reqs, so taking the MCAT would've been an uphill battle for me (although the verbal section of the GRE was no joke). In addition, I would have to take a few more classes that I really want to avoid like the second semester of calc.. lol. That eliminates Case and UMKC.

    For those applying for entry in '09.. GOOD LUCK! :thumbup:
     
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    UMKC will possibly overlook tertiary prerequisites [my terminology, no UMKC's] if your MCAT is high enough, your Biochem, Anatomy, and Physiology are all relatively recent and have high grades, and if you have stellar LOR's and health care experience.
     
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    You know what, I didn't even know that those schools wanted 2 semesters of calc.....that sucks......well anyway, I am applying to the same schools you are...so good luck to you also......
     
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    On the contrary - and as the DNAP raises its ugly head, even more BS nursing theory crap will be circulated. Just who I want putting me to sleep - the person who got their anesthesia training online! :thumbdown:
     
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    So do AAs compete directly with CRNAs since they share many of the same responsibilities?
     
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    Sort of, but considering the midlevel anesthesia debt that the US experiences each year, there will always be jobs.
     
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    There is no reason to compete with CRNA's...There are WAY too many jobs out there
     
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    Hey Josh,

    When do you expect to hear something from UMKC?
     
  28. Josh L.Ac.

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    Deadline for application is August 1st so I hope to hear something by mid-August.



    I did sit in on a class a few weeks ago and I liked the feel of the class. Very interactive, constantly asking the students about dosages and meds, and absolutely zero fluff.


    Zero.




    Plus they were covering epidurals, which I have some experience with working in Pain Management.
     
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    That is nice that you got the chance to do that...Shows your interest in the program also....How many students were in the class?...Does UMKC start their clinicals in the first semester like other schools?
     
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    good luck to all those applying AA for 2009
     
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  31. Josh L.Ac.

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    Actually withdrawing your post was premature...I read it earlier but since I am in the second day of my cyclical ketogenic diet, I was too loopy to respond to it. But now I am better.

    Re: UMKC

    Now I obviously am applying to the program and am not affiliated with the program [yet, hopefully], so all I can do is regurgitate what I was told.
    Your MCAT is above a 25, which means you are not required to retake Biochem, Anatomy, or Physiology if they are 3+ years old. I think your other stats were fine as well.


    Hopefully I'll see you next year.
     
  32. Josh L.Ac.

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    The first class is only 4 students, the next class will be 8-10. So far, the program starts right with clinicals. Basically once it is covered in class, you practice it then are expected to perform it in the hospital. The students are 7 months in to the program and one of them had performed 5 epidurals.


    Exciting.
     
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    Thanks for the response, I talked to someone from the program and they told me they will have around 50+ apps (interview probably 25 or so??) and then accept a total of 8 students.
     
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    UMKC will be a dynamite addition to the AA programs. There is a huge amount of support and encouragement for this program from the Missouri Society of Anesthesiologists.
     
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    Just back from 9th realm of hell. Dante and I are now friends. I was accepted to pod school a year ago and called back to serve. Now, slowly approaching the big 3-0 mark and feeling like I owe myself and my family the dignity of a great career I am applying for AA schools. I hope to start in June 09.

    GRE: 90th percentile (790 or 800 quantitative...I cant remember which one...one was a practice test and one was the actual test)
    MCAT: 28 (14, 7, 7)

    I am a physics bs and math ms (family thing) with an overall gpa of 3.4 and a science of 3.6. I look forward to meeting all of you during the interview process if I get one. I am applying to Nova, South and Emory.

    Any devil dogs out there?
     
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    Anyone know the average MCAT scores for AA matriculants? I'm wondering if I should take the GRE or not... took MCAT twice, once in April 2005 (24R: 8V 6P 10B) and again in June 2007 (26R: 9V 8P 9B). GPA 3.56. Anyone have any thoughts? Should I take it to make my application a little stronger or do you think this will be competitive enough?

    Also, does anyone have any advice regarding asking for letters of rec? I've been out of school for a little over 2 years, and I went to a big university so never really connected with prof's one on one... should I contact them through email? show up at office hours? phone? Just wondering if anyone has experience in this at all.

    Thanks!

    one more thing... anyone know when emory is posting their general track application for 2009??
     
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    I know the average MCAT score at Emory is 27-28 range, while case western is about a 25, the difference being that Emory also takes GRE. Average GPA's seem to be around 3.3 or 3.4. Get letters of rec from AA's or anesthesiologsit you shadowed, and past employers, having one character reference is not a bad idea either. Profs that you dont know that well can only look at your grades, but the school is getting your transcripts and scores anyway, pick someone who can write something meaningful. This is my frist year applying, but my friend just got in with a letter from an AA, an MD he shadowed, and a biology lab TA. Your stats are fine, focus on learning about anesthesia and shadowing b/c the interviews are intense.
     
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    Your MCAT scores, to me, are good....If you feel that they are not what you want, you can take the GRE but I do not think that it is neccessary. I definitely agree that you should get a letter of recommendation from the MD of AA that you shadow and also from someone you work with that knows your character....You'll be fine.....
     
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    I am finished with my app for South, but I am having problems with the online NOVA application. I have some credits at one school, my degree from another (joint program) and my masters from the first school mentioned. The online app will not let me break this up individually because it says ERROR: This school has already been listed. I do not want to have this one college listed as having attended there for 13 years (that would be a definite NO). I have contacted the division of IT at Nova and tried getting in contact with the program. Sometimes I like paper better than computer application. Also, when does emory open up their application?


    Josh - fyi, during my deployment I was treated for two back injuries and both times I was given acupuncture. Massage and acupuncture seemed to work as well or better than the meds. Officially the Dept of the Navy does not recognize this as a treatment, but unofficially they do...maybe things are changing. Good luck.
     
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    thanks for the input... still juggling whether or not to take the gre in addition to the mcat. it'd be nice to feel a little more confident with my application, especially since my mcat's are average for matriculants.

    as far as letters go thanks for the great advice, i think i'll steer away from asking a prof that i never really got to know well. i might go with the lab TA idea instead. one problem i've got is i've been shadowing a CRNA (i live in MN, so the AA population=zero). my first day shadowing i was already being "strongly encouraged" to change my course from going directly into an AA program to instead going into an accelerated BSN program for 1.5 years, work in an ICU for 2 years, THEN go to a 2 year NA program (yikes, one of the turn off's of med school for me was the time/stress spent on school before finally settling into a career). anyways, my point is i'm a little hesitant to ask her for a letter of rec/evaluation. how important is it to have an evaluation from someone involved in anesthesiology?

    i'm in the process of applying to nova, south, and emory (when they finally post their application...) i set a "personal deadline" for me to get them all done and done by mid-september... anyone think that's too late?? i know the key is to get them in as early as possible, but if i take my gre again it'll be early september, and i still have to request letters...
     
  41. Lornin, did the Anesthesiologist give you the recommendation to do the BSN-exp-CRNA route?
    I do think the Anesthesiologist's recommendation would be an essential LOR for you. If he/she is the one who made alt degree recommendation I would talk to them and say how you evaluated the recommendation and here are the reasons you still prefer to do the AA route, therefore would you be willing to provide an LOR as it will be extremely helpful in the process.
    Good Luck!
     
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    Ive shadowed CRNAs and while none of them told me to go to Nursing school some werent too enthusiastic about my AA ideas. But, the ones that were cool, down to earth, straight up told me I would be stupid to go through Nursing school, work 1 or 2 years, then go back to school, when i already have a solid premedical degree. For those of you who dont have AA's to shadow i just want to let you know that I have shadowed plenty and they are more than happy with the choice they made. I shadowed a guy (30 yrs old) who got accepted to Emory Med school and opted for the AA program and has no regrets. It's the real deal...if you want just a flavor for what type of job/locations one would get after graduating hit up gaswork.com, go to AA section.
     
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    One of my NP friends that I went to acupuncture school with does acupuncture in an army hospital and has been part of a group developing protocols to treat PTSD.

    If acupuncture works, it is much cheaper than epidurals or surgery, although it is great to have the latter options should the patient fail acupuncture.
     
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    I am officially applied as of today, with 3.3 science GPA and 3.57 total GPA, 29 MCAT, and 4 years experience in health care.


    We'll see.
     
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    Best of luck to you Josh... your numbers look better than mine. I'm sure that you will do fine.

    Keep us posted.

    -RT2MD (or AA... whatever)
     
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    Josh......It is now August......Don't keep us waiting with the news, o.k.?
     
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    Well, the applications have to be postmarked by August 1st, so I doubt I will hear anything until the last week in August.



    No stress.
     
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    Actually I hadn't calculated my GPA in several years so I was surprised at how low it is...apparently I DID have an awesome time during my first bachelor's degree.

    And very few of my BSN classes counted for anything in helping my GPA.

    Sigh.
     
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    We won't talk about GPA's right now... the only thing that is saving me is my ~3.9 from my RT degree from KUMC, as well as my 4.0 in organic/genetics and biochem post bacc. My other undergrad is less than stellar.

    Oh, and you said no stress? I have an August 15th date with the MCAT... so I have a bit of stress! :laugh: I am already planning a trip out to the lake to go sailing (and a bit of drinking) all weekend long for the 16th and 17th.

    Hope to meet up with you soon, Josh. (hopefully only a year behind you at UMKC)

    -RT2MD (AA)
     
  50. Josh L.Ac.

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    I'm big on transference [of stress], so I told my wife if I don't get in this year, I am going to prep again for my MCAT, retake several key classes, and apply to med school with the goal of becoming an anesthesiologist.


    She hopes the AA program works out.



    Edit - and good luck on the MCAT
     
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    Emory's application will be up and running on August 8th. It can only be better than Nova's application...
     
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    Well... I say that I am stressed... but I don't really get stressed about stuff like this. The way that I look at it - worst case scenario is that I have to take it again. :laugh:

    I've been scoring fairly well on my practice tests - which I am impressed with because I haven't really studied. I have worked most weekends, and when I am home during the week (a day off) I have my 12 month old by myself (wife at work). That doesn't really allow too much time to study. Combine that with the fact that I haven't taken some of this chem/physics since 1998-99 and I feel lucky to even be scoring over a 25 (my min score due to UMKC req)!

    Starting the week after I take my MCAT my daughter will be in 5 day/wk daycare. So if I do decide to retake, I will at least have much more time to prepare (only made it through week 4 of examkrackers 10 week schedule).

    Thanks for the well wishes on the MCAT!

    I really thought about the med school route (obvious due to my SDN name), but in the end I think that spending more time with my family is going to win out. I really can't imagine missing my daughter grow up (for 8 years anyway). I know that the lifestyle would be much better after residency, but it's those 8 years that worry me.

    :luck::luck:Good luck again with the AA route!:luck::luck:
     

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