those who applied dental and medicine at the same time, did you mark it?

[syandsy]

Hi guys,
The following are what I heard: Is it the right information?

AMA and ADA have decided to share applicants' information especially on applicants who applied to both medical and dental schools. You may remember that applicants should mark whether they were applying to other health professional schools or not, don't you? If you are accepted into dental (but also applied to medicine) but did not specify the fact that you applied to medicine in your dental application, you will be in trouble because AMA will report this info to your dental school, and vice versa..

Is it true?

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[Benjamin]

I have heard similar thing from one of my friend who is a member of AMA that they are sharing the information starting this year -but they will only share the info regarding applying to med/dental school at the same time. I will Private Message you with the details. check your message account

So, yes you should definitely tell the truth. If you applied to both med and dental school, you should tell them so when they ask you in the application.

 

[mydat]

Hi guys,
The following are what I heard: Is it the right information?

AMA and ADA have decided to share applicants' information especially on applicants who applied to both medical and dental schools. You may remember that applicants should mark whether they were applying to other health professional schools or not, don't you? If you are accepted into dental (but also applied to medicine) but did not specify the fact that you applied to medicine in your dental application, you will be in trouble because AMA will report this info to your dental school, and vice versa..

Is it true?

yes they can figure it out (I too have heard that they started sharing those info), and they can also cancel your admission if they find out.

You better be honest in your application

 

[crazy4clana]

What if you are going to apply to a Master's program that is part of the med school? Do you have to mark that as well? It's not part of the AMA application is it?

 

[ElDienteLoco]

What if you are going to apply to a Master's program that is part of the med school? Do you have to mark that as well? It's not part of the AMA application is it?

No, a M.S. program wouldn't cause a conflict.

An applicant really has to decide before applying whether they want medical school or dental school. They really are two completely different worlds and if you apply to both, you appear very undecided and unresearched about your future career. If you want to do medicine, go to med school. If you want dentistry, go to dental school. Really...don't apply to both.

 

[jay47]

Yeah, whatever you do, be honest in your application. If they find out you lied about something they could take back your seat in a minute. However, just because a more qualified applicant applies way after you doesn't mean they will take your seat away. They would have to find some sort of discrepancy or lie in your app.

In addition, med and dental schools are very "territorial", and if you apply to both med and dent, I feel as if you may be shooting yourself in the foot. You know they will ask you why you are applying to both, and unless you have a good answer, they may not think you are even sure about the field you REALLY want to be in.

 

[SugarNaCl]

Yeah... why the (expletive) would one apply to both medicine AND dentistry. You do one or the other! Ya nut!

 

[crazy4clana]

Some people might not be sure what they want to do after college...Or might use dental or med as a backup? It's alright, many non-traditional applicants previously had different careers and chose to do dental or medicine later in life.

 

[SugarNaCl]

Some people might not be sure what they want to do after college...Or might use dental or med as a backup? It's alright, many non-traditional applicants previously had different careers and chose to do dental or medicine later in life.

Of course I agree that is the reason... doesn't make the logic sound. No offense to anyone out there. DO is back up to MD... not DDS and MD shouldn't be the back up to DDS because if you get into MD, you likely would have gotten into a DDS program. This is the trend in stats MD<DDS<DO just stats alone. This ruins the back up plan. I'm just confused on the logic. Medicine is not dentistry and dentistry is not medicine... though maybe some overlap.

 

[TeamGuo]

Dude it doesn't matter, there's a huge chance premed-->predent are f!ucked anyway. I for one switched from premed to predent, but did not submit my AMCAS application, so technically I did not apply. Having taken the MCAT is no problem, because it doesn't ask on AADSAS whether you took the MCAT or not. However, I did ask for LOR from my professors for med school, and asking them for LORs again for dental school carries a HUGE risk; the chance that they will mention "When I first knew John Doe, he was an enthusiastic med school applicant...but" in the dental school LOR. Plus there's no way for you to know whether or not they do that (the content of the letter is confidential). I'm actually terrified and losing sleep over this.

Why don't you just ask your profs not to mention your transition from pre-med to pre-dent. I'm sure if you know the prof good enough, he/she won't mind. Although it's confidential, it's always good to provide the professors with some guidelines of what you want on your LORs.

You being terrified and loosing sleep is not really solving anything. kk

 

[dentstd]

This ruins the back up plan. I'm just confused on the logic.

If they can get into an MD program, they may likely get into a DDS/DMD program. If they don't get into an MD program, they may still have a shot at the DDS/DMD program. This is the reasoning behind it, and it's perfectly legitimate.

You can still apply to both medical and dental school and still check the box that says you havn't applied to medical school. (As long as you submit your dental application first.) The AMCAS application asks whether you've applied to medical school, not whether you will apply. You'd be 100% honest in your answer by clicking that 'no' box.

A person can go to both medical and dental school to become an oral surgeon. The difference/"advantage" is that you get an MD from an actual medical school and may actually get a scholarship from doing so. Of course, this sacrifices that extra year in med school, but you get to do clinical rounds and externships.

 

[Aceofspades]

If they can get into an MD program, they may likely get into a DDS/DMD program. If they don't get into an MD program, they may still have a shot at the DDS/DMD program. This is the reasoning behind it, and it's perfectly legitimate.

You can still apply to both medical and dental school and still check the box that says you havn't applied to medical school. (As long as you submit your dental application first.) The AMCAS application asks whether you've applied to medical school, not whether you will apply. You'd be 100% honest in your answer by clicking that 'no' box.

A person can go to both medical and dental school to become an oral surgeon. The difference/"advantage" is that you get an MD from an actual medical school and may actually get a scholarship from doing so. Of course, this sacrifices that extra year in med school, but you get to do clinical rounds and externships.

I never got this line of reasoning. Why not just apply to MD/DO/Carrib MD if one was so concerned about getting into med school?

 

[dentstd]

I never got this line of reasoning. Why not just apply to MD/DO/Carrib MD if one was so concerned about getting into med school?

Because they don't want a DO or a carribbean MD. They'd rather have a DDS/DMD be their backup.

 

[Aceofspades]

Because they don't want a DO or a carribbean MD. They'd rather have a DDS/DMD be their backup.

But that's so stupid because DO's and Carrib MD's are still physicians. Dentistry is a whole different field! Medically related, yes, but still a whole field. Don't they want to be dermatologists, ophthalmologists, cardiologists, surgeons, etc?

Edit:
Plus they could strengthen their med school application and apply again. I never hear of dentistry students using med/pod/pharm/etc as their "backup", nevertheless applying to different disciplines at the same time.

 

[dentstd]

But that's so stupid because DO's and Carrib MD's are still physicians. Dentistry is a whole different field! Medically related, yes, but still a whole field. Don't they want to be dermatologists, ophthalmologists, cardiologists, surgeons, etc?

Edit:
Plus they could strengthen their med school application and apply again. I never hear of dentistry students using med/pod/pharm/etc as their "backup", nevertheless applying to different disciplines at the same time.

It's not about medicine. It's about what you can get into. Being in school for a DO or at a carribbean school for anything's like getting socked in the balls for some. Plus, they're willing to do what the work demands of them as long as that work pays well enough. Dentists don't make as much as most physicians, namely the medical specialists, and the medical specialists make much more than the dental specialists. However, dentists make much more than DO's and the carribbean MD's (who are largely locked into primary care).

Many people'd like to be doctors, because the MD program is seen as America's top health program. If they can't have that, they'll take 2nd best. To them, 2nd best is dentistry. Hence, they apply to dental school as a backup to medical school.

 

[ucla2134]

It's not about medicine. It's about what you can get into. Being in school for a DO or at a carribbean school for anything's like getting socked in the balls for some. Plus, they're willing to do what the work demands of them as long as that work pays well enough. Dentists don't make as much as most physicians, namely the medical specialists, and the medical specialists make much more than the dental specialists. However, dentists make much more than DO's and the carribbean MD's (who are largely locked into primary care).

Many people'd like to be doctors, because the MD program is seen as America's top health program. If they can't have that, they'll take 2nd best. To them, 2nd best is dentistry. Hence, they apply to dental school as a backup to medical school.

there are lots of premed at my school apply to dent at the same time. That is just sad and pathetic!

 

[TXgangsta]

there are lots of premed at my school apply to dent at the same time. That is just sad and pathetic!

Im applying to both DDS and MD programs dont see why it is sad or pathetic, please elaborate.

 

[ucla2134]

Im applying to both DDS and MD programs dont see why it is sad or pathetic, please elaborate.

i'm too lazy to type it out. read doc toothache post below or search for yourself

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=541463

 

[TXgangsta]

Please dont confuse me with whoispittsnogle, I have actually thought about my decisions

 

[AggieDDS]

Please dont confuse me with whoispittsnogle, I have actually thought about my decisions

He also thought about it. I don't see any difference.

 

[TXgangsta]

Unlike him, Im not sick of school so that is not the reason why I am applying to Dental School as opposed to Medical School. Regardless of what other people have posted, Medicine and Dentistry to share many aspects such as the ability to use the science of the medicine to improve the health of patients and making a difference in the lives of those who you help. These aspects are what make a profession worth seeking (for me that is). This is the reason why I have applied to both professions, and if Im lucky enough to get accepted into both fields then I will make a choice about my future. I personally dont buy into the concept of "I knew I was going to be an MD from the moment I was born" Im not so naive, I will be happy in either profession of that I am certain.

 

[Bruinlove]

These aspects are what make a profession worth seeking (for me that is). This is the reason why I have applied to both professions, and if Im lucky enough to get accepted into both fields then I will make a choice about my future.

So... you applied to both not because you can't 'risk' not getting into any, but because you don't know your preference yet....?

Then, you are fine... although I'm not sure if you will be able to make the 'hard decision' just a year later.

 

[trixie2126]

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[akirar]

Why don't you decide what you want to do before you apply to either schools? that's what shadowing is for. Shadow both, decide, and then apply. Don't steal someone else's spot from dental school or medical school. most people are committed to their field and worked hard to be there.

If you can't make the decision now, how would applying to both schools make it easier? It really looks like your deciding factor is which school will accept you, which is not right.

Umm...I think you are missing the point. He/she would be happy with either profession. Think of it this way. Most people here are set on dentisitry so people recommend they apply to a lot of schools to increase there odds of getting accepted. The above poster is doing just that. They would be happy helping patients as a physician or dentists so they are increasing their odds off getting to help people medically by applying to both professions. Believe it or not some people would be just as happy being a dentist as they would be as a physician. Afterall the fields are not that different, especially when you consider oral healths impact on systemic health. Heck, some schools even have dental and med students taking the same basic science classes.

 

[Hugh Mannity]

Why don't you decide what you want to do before you apply to either schools? that's what shadowing is for. Shadow both, decide, and then apply. Don't steal someone else's spot from dental school or medical school. most people are committed to their field and worked hard to be there.

If you can't make the decision now, how would applying to both schools make it easier? It really looks like your deciding factor is which school will accept you, which is not right.

You know when I applied to 2 different restaurants at 16 I didn't shadow either. I figured I would be fine flipping burgers or making pizza's.

 

[Indecision]

So I called the ADA, the AMA, AADSAS and AMCAS. Every person I spoke to at each organization said that they have never heard of such information sharing being proposed.

Who got this information in the first place? Wouldn't this information sharing be sort of a privacy violation? Further, when will the schools be notified about this? I'm willing to bet that there are a lot of people out there who applied to both, and if you happened to submit the dental application first what will happen? If schools were going to cancel acceptances, then they would need to notify students before they took out loan money and presumably well before school began. It wouldn't make sense for schools to wait until the last minute because then they might have quite a few unfilled spots.

Comments?

 

[denniss1]

You really have to be honest with this. I also have heard people getting screwed up by lying to the dental schools regarding their med school application. It is OK to apply to both, but it is NOT OK to hide it to the dental schools. I am not sure how they found it out, but I have seen people getting caught. Be honest!