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ARGHHHH....

A two of my friends have recieved a rejections pre/post-secondaries and no interviews from their state MD schools. Now intheir self-pity they've resigned themselves to being "psuedo-doctor DO's.... even though it's not a real medical degree because that's the only place they'll get in." As a pre-DO dude, this really offends me... but at the same time I don't want to rip into them because getting rejection letters has got to suck. Anyway, I just needed to blow off some steam. Wouldn't it be great if DO schools filled their classes with people who actually wanted to be DO?

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This is where two things come into play.

1) They must get a letter from a DO recommending them to the profession and usually that involves showing your comittment to the process and ideals.

2)They also must answer why they want to be a DO and if they get an interview then they must answer questions involving DO vs. MD as well.

Do I think that people get rejected from MD apply to DO, absolutly. I also believe that people who are turly intrested in the profession and show a comittment shine out in their applications as well. I am emphaize that it is frustrating but I look at this as an opportuny to make sure I am the best canidate I know I can be. Things always happen to have a way of working out for the best.
 
I don't know, I think alot of people went into Osteo as a backup then wound up loving it and become great DOs.
 
My friend went to meet with the admissions in CCOM with her family friend who is applying to DO schools this summer. My friend told me that the adcoms were saying that they can usually pick out applicants through the application itself ( i.e., personal statement) or/and through interviews and they are very cautious of applicants who aren't really interested in applying to DO schools. So, the adcoms are also cautious about what kind of applications they receive. So if your friends aren't sincere, then it will show. I think it takes a lot to act very interested in something you aren't interested in.
 
Don't let your friends decision offend you; take this opportunity to educate them about the osteopathic philosophy. I was the same way before I learned about the osteopathic philosophy and many premed students are uninformed. Be glad you have discovered this before you applied to medical schools. It is only a disadvantage for them because they spent more money than they had to in applications and they are completely uninformed about osteopathic medicine. In the end, I'm sure they will be thrilled with their medical education and their opinions will probably change about osteopathy. Many pre-MDers think the suffix: MD looks better after their name and those types of people aren't necessarily concerned about their patients, but rather their credentials.

Your friends are the uninformed ones and you have the chance to tell them how osteopathy is so similar to allopathic medicine, with a few educational advantages. Good luck.

Blake
 
I wasn't a die-hard pre-DO... my advisor told me I simply wouldn't have a shot at an MD school (had a 3.54 overall, 3.5 science, 28 on MCAT, etc), and he told me to apply DO. he actually said "Don't waste your time applying MD." So I didn't.

I knew nothing about DOs until he told me about them.

So now I'm an actual DO and in residency.

When I was studying for the MCAT, I was one of those who joked "If I score less than a 24, these hands will be made for manipulating!"

Q, DO
 
I agree with the above posters...generally pre-med = ignorant...on ALOT of levels...MD v. DO, rankings, Affirmative Action, URMs etc. The more enlightened pre-meds are generally but not always a bit older. (Of course I am an older premed 😉 )


Hopefully they will properly research and ultimately see the err in their ways/opinions. If not, I am sure they will be figured out by adcoms.

By the way, in case someone freaked out like i did upon reading the 'mandatory DO recommendation'...apparently alot of schools just recommend but it is not mandatory. I do NOT have a DO LOR, I just never had time to shadow or contact one. All my decisions came first from a onetime encounter with a DO neurologist that worked with my grandmother when she had a stroke all the way in GA...and then was just research on my own. After talking to some folks already in school, it seems it is not uncommon to get in without the DO LOR. FYI.
 
I have very good credentials, and turned down MD and DO acceptances for my current school (OSU-COM). I think that peple who "resign" themselves to osteopathic school will be in trouble. The coursework is just as difficult (moreso in some instances), and the expectations are at least as great. In my opinion, you have to be MORE dedicated to be a successful osteopath. Just my two cents.
 
They must get a letter from a DO recommending them to the profession and usually that involves showing your comittment to the process and ideals.

Not necessarily true depending on the school you apply to.
 
Yeah, and my letter (glowing, no less) was from a local D.O. that I had never met before and who was not at all representative of the osteopathic principles that I have come to know. The letter is the least of anyones concerns.
 
As far as non-dedicated pre-DO's who use osteopathic schools solely as a back up....When I went to my interview at PCOM, some of their questions were 1) what other schools did you apply to? 2) you didn't apply to any allopathic schools? 3) how far has your application process gone at UNECOM? (I applied only to PCOM and UNECOM because I was fairly confident and wanted only to go to those 2 schools).

Anyway, imagine this scenario....
adcom: what other schools did you apply to?
student: allopathic school #1, allopathic school #2...and so on...
adcom: how far did your application process go with those schools?
student: I was rejected by all of them.

Anyway, my point is that the admission's committees of osteopathic schools are pretty much looking out for "back-up planners," and they can see through anyone who is not dedicated.
 
Originally posted by Monkeyguts
Not necessarily true depending on the school you apply to.

True, you caught me making a general claim. I know that DMU, MSU, and Kirksville did not require me to get a DO letter. I stand corrected in my statement.
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Originally posted by daveswafford
ARGHHHH....

self-pity they've resigned themselves to being "psuedo-doctor DO's.... even though it's not a real medical degree because that's the only place they'll get in."

These guys are utterly misinformed. But if they are truly sincere in their desire to become DOctors does it really matter? The training is almost identical and they will probably end up at an allopathic school for residency. As long as some percentage of the Osteopathic profession continues to carry on as true believers the profession can maintain its separate, unique identity.
 
I was certainly not a gung-ho DO applicant, but I was realistic. I knew I would most likely get rejected by MD schools (I did) so I decided to apply to DO as well. Not because I was a die hard DO fan but because I really wanted to be a physician. Don't be too hard on your friends, because they may come around (as I did) and end up loving the DO path! Even if it is by default.
 
Interesting thread, here's my experience with this issue:

Students who matriculate to DO schools only because they didn't get into an MD school end up being very frustrated and unhappy with their overall educational experience. They view learning OMM as a burden, they feel "brainwashed" by the primary care emphasis and holistic osteopathic approach to patient care, they dislike the traditionally community-based medical education settings compared to the larger university-based settings more common in allopathic institutions. They develop a chip on their shoulder.

As a consequence of these feelings, these "MD-wannabe's" isolate themselves from the rest of the class. They don't get involved in national osteopathic student activities, clubs, or local student government. They don't attend Convocation or SOMA conventions; they just sort of fester in the back of the room bemoaning their osteopathic education. I've seen this scenario play out over and over again. It is so predictable for certain kinds of premeds that it is almost like watching the natural history of a disease unfold right in front of your eyes.

The best advice I have for premeds (ironically premeds who are at highest risk for experiencing this *REFUSE* to listen to or understand my advice) is that if you can not approach applying to osteopathic schools on an equal footing with allopathic schools, then don't apply at all. You *WILL* be miserable. You will hate your situation and medical school is hard enough without having to deal with feeling second-rate all the time and wishing that you were at the MD school down the street.

That's not to say that one has to be a "gun-ho" D.O., it just means that you have find value in the osteopathic approach to patient care, utility in the osteopathic social movement in health care, and feel proud of the osteopathic heritage as a unique branch of American medicine in order to sustain yourself through a very gruelling process. If you do find yourself feeling like an "MD-wannabe" there is an antidote---get involved in the profession! Force yourself to meet prominent D.O.'s in your community or school. Force yourself to go beyond the basics and really *LEARN* something about OMM or the history of osteopathic medicine or the process of becoming a doctor. Run for class president and try to locally affect something that is really bugging you. It's not easy, but it is better than just sitting in the back of the room and snickering, rolling your eyes, and wishing you were some place else.

Anyway, that's my two cents...
 
Originally posted by QuinnNSU
I wasn't a die-hard pre-DO... my advisor told me I simply wouldn't have a shot at an MD school (had a 3.54 overall, 3.5 science, 28 on MCAT, etc), and he told me to apply DO. he actually said "Don't waste your time applying MD." So I didn't.
Q, DO

Quinn,

Where in the world were you applying that those scores weren't good enough?? Just asking cause I was accepted with a 3.55 overall GPA and just slightly better in science, with a 28 MCAT! And it was an MD program. (No, I obviously did not go...that's why I'm here applying again)....

Will~
 
Those numbers are remarkably average nowadays...no disrespect, and not saying you couldnt get in with them (you did). But you certainly cant hang your hat on it anymore.
 
Originally posted by Idiopathic
Those numbers are remarkably average nowadays...no disrespect, and not saying you couldnt get in with them (you did). But you certainly cant hang your hat on it anymore.

Yes but his advisor told him not to even bother applying with those numbers. Which proves that you shouldn't really listen to your advisor cause they might be talking out of their %^&&*!
Those are respectable and would get you into many M.D. as well as D.O. programs especially if you've got cool ECs to make your application stand out.
 
We had an advisory committee that would not write a letter for you (application suicide) if they did not feel you met the criteria. I dont think it is right or wrong, but it was there policy to make sure that who they thought couldnt get in, were told that, so that they could work on their app.
 
I used Interfolio.com instead to collect four faculty letters. Seems to be working fine so far. But I am a non trad so maybe the letter is not as important.
 
it seems it is not uncommon to get in without the DO LOR. FYI.

AZCOM requires an DO or MD LOR.🙁
 
I don't really see what's wrong with applying to both Allopathic and Osteopathic schools. I think that there are an awful lot of people out there who just want to work with people, who just want to save lives, and the way it stands today they can do through two different Avenues. What's wrong with choosing to pursue both if the ends are the same? Now I agree that the whole "backup plan" deal is wrong and fundamentally offensive, but there are a few brave souls who just want to be doctors, and could care less what the two letters are. Shouldn't these folks be allowed to maximize their chances of fulfillment? Shouldn't these people be allowed to take both paths without fear of stigma?
 
I just wanted to make it clear that I think it's totally cool to apply DO and MD if you believe they are equal degrees.... it just hacked me off that the dudes really believed they'd be getting a second rate education at a DO school.
 
I myself applied to both DO and MD schools. I understand that there are differences in their philosophies, but in practice DO's and MD's are equally qualified and basically the same. I don't really care what letters are placed after my last name. I just want to be in the medical field. My top choice is a state MD school so I can save money. The DO school in my state (NYCOM) does not give a financial break to residents, which is why I am hoping to get into a SUNY. I also will say that if I end up going to a DO school, I will probably still go into a specialty. I am considering family medicine, but I am currently really interested in Forensic Pathology.
 
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