titration problem

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Can someone please help with this one?

What volume of HCl was added if 20mL of 1M NaOH is titrated with 1M HCl to produce a pH=2?
a. 10.2mL
b. 20.2mL
c. 30.4mL
d. 35.5mL
e. None of these

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Can someone please help with this one?

What volume of HCl was added if 20mL of 1M NaOH is titrated with 1M HCl to produce a pH=2?
a. 10.2mL
b. 20.2mL
c. 30.4mL
d. 35.5mL
e. None of these

I dont want to give you the wrong explanation, but before you even start the problem, you can eliminate 2 choices just looking at it.

A and B can be eliminated, because since you will need for than 20mL of HCL to get to pH of 2.

20mL of HCL + 20mL of NaOH = neutral (pH of 7).

*I know this is not the answer, but just thought you might want to eliminate 2 choices!
 
i would guess B
20 ml to neutralize it
after that its just takes alittle bit more to get a really really low pH
 
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Well, it's been many many years since i've even attempted a gen chem problem so this might be completely wrong. Here's what i did.

You know you want the pH = 2 AFTER you add the HCl. Therefore, using the definition pH you get pH = -log [H+] --> 2 = -log [H+]. 10^-2 = .01 = [H+]. So you want the molarity of H+ to equal .01. Since HCl and NaOH are in a one to one ratio it will take 20mL of HCl before the solution is neutral so anything you add after 20ml will contribute to the H+ concentration (adding it before will just neutralize into water).

Now you take the definition of molarity

Number of moles (H+) / total volume of solution = .01
Let x = amount of HCl added.

(x - .020) / (x + .020) = .01
(exess moles of H+ in solution) / (total volume in solution) = .01

Solving that for x you get x = .0204L or 20.4mL. So 0.4mL of H+ needs to be in excess.

You can test the answer by doing -log ( .0004 moles of H+/ (.0404L) = 2.00.

Hope this Helps and hopefully if i did something wrong (it's been forever since i had chem) someone will catch it. GL!
 
He is right....another way of setting up the problem is

1(x)/total volume = 1(x)/(.040 + x) = 0.01

So...total HCl needed is 20ml for neutralization + x

That problem is nitpicky with calculation though...20.2 vs 20.4??? WTF???? I like the achiever version of that question way better...the choices actually force you to do the calculation. WORSE QUESTION EVER!!!
 
hrmm the correct answer is E but I dont really know how to approach this problem. I hate titration problems. :mad:

Yeah, the answer is E.

This was my first thught, but it seemed to easy. Anyways this is how I figured its E.

M1V1=M2V2 ---? 20(1)/1 = V therefore volume is 20ml needed to neutralize.. does this seem right ?
 
thanks guys. Finally got a chance to go over the solutions posted for this problem today. Although this problem looks easy now after having reviewed the posted solution, I dont think I would have been able to solve it under a minute on the real thing. seemed kinda lengthy
 
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