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hikeappalachia

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Have heard some bad stories about people transferring out of programs. One surgery program failed the resident at the end of the year. Paperwork not being sent to new program, etc. Advice about how to prevent any of this? Everyone says to document. What are some obvious pitfalls people have made?

I'll start.
1. talk to your PD first (ACGME problems for new program if you don't)
2. find someone you can absolutely trust to discuss things with
3. complete your contract for the year
4. give lotsa warning that you're leaving
5. ......
 
i'm curious about this too.

isn't this by nature inherently risky?

when you tell them you want out, what incentive is there for them to help you? and if you DON'T get into another program and have to stay, they know you're unhappy to be there and can make your remaining time a living hell.

by telling them early, i guess it's considerate because they have notice, but then again, they know you're not wanting to be there so they can make your remaining time pretty miserable. let's say i was a intern and wanted to switch specialities or go to another program for my pgy2 year. what's the etiquitte or procedure? when would you find time to interview?

anyone who has switched or left a program can comment on this and what the right way to do it is? i'm sure this has been brought up before; any threads anyone can recommend reading?

probably important not to tell ANYONE, right? if word got out you wanted out or to leave, it's probably bad for you
 
I'm in a similar situation...I have decided to change specialities and have secured a PGY-1 spot for next year. I need to start before this PGY-1 year is finished. My PD knows, and a few friends, but no one else.

My issue is with when I should leave this program. I would ideally finish the whole year, but I can't because I need to start my new program a week earlier then I end this one. My PD isn't sure if I can get credit for the year (in terms of getting my license) if I end one week early, even though we only get 2 wks of vacation, and I think the ACGME allows for 3 or 4. I'm supposed to find out later this week. If I am not going to get credit, I'd like to leave earlier to get everyhting set in place to start my new specialty. I'd also like to avoid all the comments and potential for poor treatment that could occur once people find out. My PD says that it is up to me as to when I leave, they can shuffle things around. Staying in this program until I need to go to the next one would basically be for the money and insurance, and to follow through on what I started, and to give myself something to do, plus to be able to moonlight a year earlier in my new program, if I get credit for the year. I still need to take step 3 and do all the paperwrok, which would take at least 6 mo. Quitting early would allow me some time to study for next year, mentally change focus and get back to "me," and allow some relaxation time. My new program doens't care one or another if I finish and they don't need any documentation from my current program. To them it is as if I graduate this spring and never did any GME.
I'm also not sure how to tell my colleagues without offending them or being treating poorly. I hope that they can accept "it's for you, it's not for me" and move on.
What do you think?

Also, I'm not familiar with the ACGME problems for not talking to your current program first. If you complete the year's contract, fulfill your match, etc, isn't that all that is necessary? Or do you mean if you need to break your contract to change programs?
In terms of other people switching fields, I have heard of PDs being very supportive and helpful, but not giving time off to interview- you have to take a year off to do that- and of PDs refusing to write letters and making the resident's life harder. I think it depends on the culture of the program and how much they like the individual. It can be very risky to stay in the program once you tell them that you are looking, and you are also likely to be fired, becuase they don't want residents who don't want them. It seems safer to find a new spot first, but I know that isn't always practical.
 
Telling your PD before you leave is risky any way you slice it if the program is malignant. A good program will respect you and not hold it against you. Some people go behind the PDs back, but it makes you look bad.

Another program's PD will tell you that they can't talk to you at all if you haven't already told your PD. Have been told its illegal too, against some rules somewhere. MATCH may be over but programs don't want to play dirty and steal others away.

One resident was threatened with deportation (although I don't think that was legal) for going behind the program's back and landing another spot.

When you tell a malignant program you want to leave, no doubt it will become worse.
 
Wondering if there is anything out there to protect residents from malignancy.

Nothing oversees behavior of PDs. I assume most PDs would not like to have an unhappy resident hanging around being less productive than someone who cares to be there.

What can be done to protect a resident? Enlist a lawyer...maybe they are useful. 🙂
 
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