Two anesthesiologists murdered

[deleted109597]

No spring loaded clip to go bad if the gun sits loaded for years. Excellent choice for someone like me that is into rifles and rarely shoots a handgun. You can also be like Mat Dillon.

Handguns don't have clips.

I can't convince you to buy a revolver instead? I own several Rugers and Smith & Wesson revolvers. They will never fail you. Never jam. Go bang every time even with 10 year old ammo in the chamber. Non gun people should look to a revolver for ease of use and reliability.

Also, they will fire the second, third, fourth, and so on times you pull the trigger. You pull the trigger on your taser and miss? Well now you've just pissed them off.
I have a Judge Tracker at my house. I use it for both home defense and ranch defense. I don't have to worry about taking off the safety and it's got .45 colt slugs and .410 shells in it. Makes it easier to kill both rattlesnakes and hogs should they feel a need to come say hi.

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[CommonMan]

Handguns don't have clips.

Also, they will fire the second, third, fourth, and so on times you pull the trigger. You pull the trigger on your taser and miss? Well now you've just pissed them off.
I have a Judge Tracker at my house. I use it for both home defense and ranch defense. I don't have to worry about taking off the safety and it's got .45 colt slugs and .410 shells in it. Makes it easier to kill both rattlesnakes and hogs should they feel a need to come say hi.

Clip is a strip of cartridges in a holder, magazine is spring loaded. I stand corrected.

 

[epidural man]

I was reading this thread and was like.. how did this murder of 2 anesthesiologist turn into a gun thread?

About 30% of SDN anesthesia threads turn into gun posts - regardless of the starting post sentiment.

 

[epidural man]

any suggestions on what type of gun to get for someone not particular big and strong?
also, any suggestions on which type of courses/training to get for a new comer?

thanks

Firearm Training Courses: Gun Training

Really great hand gun courses -
They also have shot gun courses, sharp shooter, and other cool courses.

But I did the 4 day handgun course - invaluable really.

 

[mostwanted]

Firearm Training Courses: Gun Training

Really great hand gun courses -
They also have shot gun courses, sharp shooter, and other cool courses.

But I did the 4 day handgun course - invaluable really.

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[Pooh & Annie]

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[anbuitachi]

Firearm Training Courses: Gun Training

Really great hand gun courses -
They also have shot gun courses, sharp shooter, and other cool courses.

But I did the 4 day handgun course - invaluable really.

I took a handgun class in college for a semester. It was about 4 hrs of shooting per week. It was pretty fun

 

[BLADEMDA]

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I was kind of looking forward to your posts; after all, we are typically on opposite sides of most issues.

 

[BLADEMDA]

I don't know if owning a gun would have saved them as there are some facts which seem to indicate the guy walked right into the apartment, such as police initially saying there was some sort of relationship between them as it certainly looked that way. If the guy was armed, and in better physical condition they may have already lost the fight though Field had time to text somebody, which indicates to me that the killer was occupied with "talking" with the woman. If an armed guy points a gun at you, would you ask him if you can text for help?

How the heck would this guy know to go to this certain floor of a secure apartment and the write words of retribution on the walls? I think that the wife, who had access to painkillers maybe was selling them to this guy on the side, and then decided not to deal with him anymore. Or maybe the husband was involved.

Probably the anwsthesiologists had more pricey things, but it looks like the killer knew that the wife had expensive jewelry and taking the jewelry was his way of getting back at her for a drug deal gone wrong.

I think the Brigham hospital attracts the sort of doctors who want to be associated with "the best", and that maybe one of the deceased wanted to supplement their income by selling narcotics they had access to.

And attendings at most of these teaching hospitals in Boston don't earn a lot of money by my standards due to the high cost of living in Boston. The average person has no clue how much income it takes to live in a $700K apartment combined with all the other expenses of living a "nice lifestyle."

Let's not forget her place cost $700K and his place was $2 million. I realize that this is pure conjecture here but this is not your typical academic couple. He was in private practice doing "Pain" so I assume he was earning 7 figures. Or, were things a bit slow and his income was $600K putting a crimp on his lifestyle.

I'm not making any excuse for the murderer here but something does seem a bit fishy.

 

[Pooh & Annie]

I was kind of looking forward to your posts; after all, we are typically on opposite sides of most issues.

Thank you! I was going to add a clumsy argument refuting the idea that having a gun and having a car are comparable, but I decided that argument really doesn't matter.

I do think it's worth mentioning that we've gone quite a while (relative to the US and several less stable war torn countries) without a mass shooting at a school or mall or church or whatever. I'll be interested to see how the new president handles it when the next gun tragedy eventually takes place. It's a sad reality but we all know it IS a reality.
Anyway, he's very impulsive and loves "beautiful babies," so it'll be interesting seeing his flip-flops on the issue when children are inevitably killed under his watch.

But yes, crazy story about those people. I saw a thing about them being doctors but I didn't realize til a couple days ago that they were both anesthesiologists. I'll be interested in hearing the details as they come out.

As for security my doors are booby trapped with C4 explosive and the halls with motion-detonated dirty bombs, so I also feel pretty safe. I try to let kids know about it when they come around but sometimes I'm preoccupied with other stuff.

 

[gasblaster]

If an armed guy points a gun at you, would you ask him if you can text for help?

How the heck would this guy know to go to this certain floor of a secure apartment and the write words of retribution on the walls? I think that the wife, who had access to painkillers maybe was selling them to this guy on the side, and then decided not to deal with him anymore. Or maybe the husband was involved.

Probably the anwsthesiologists had more pricey things, but it looks like the killer knew that the wife had expensive jewelry and taking the jewelry was his way of getting back at her for a drug deal gone wrong.

Well he did work for security at the adjacent building for the same security company so it wouldn't be surprising that he would know that the penthouse would likely have the best/most expensive things.

It's possible he texted his friend to call the police covertly because he couldn't call.

 

[gasblaster]

And attendings at most of these teaching hospitals in Boston don't earn a lot of money by my standards due to the high cost of living in Boston. The average person has no clue how much income it takes to live in a $700K apartment combined with all the other expenses of living a "nice lifestyle."

Let's not forget her place cost $700K and his place was $2 million. I realize that this is pure conjecture here but this is not your typical academic couple. He was in private practice doing "Pain" so I assume he was earning 7 figures. Or, were things a bit slow and his income was $600K putting a crimp on his lifestyle.

I'm not making any excuse for the murderer here but something does seem a bit fishy.

She worked for MEEI whose anesthesiology group is essentially a private practice group not owned or operated by Partners.

 

[gasblaster]

Yeah, its fishy to say the least. I didn't know they were married but lived in separate, and very expensive apartments either.

The wife looked kinda . . . young to be with Field, I don't if it was more she liked having his income or something, but they seemed to enjoy the high life.

The wife was from Columbia too, and in a lot of Latin American countries, bribery, embezzlement and shady deals make up a large part of the economy, it is just how business is done, so being a fantastic pediatric anesthesiologist wouldn't necessarily make it impossible or unethical (in her eyes) to earn some more cash on the side in an illegal pursuit, with somebody from that culture she might not have seen these two actions as contradictory.

I don't know what photos tell, they look like a nice couple and people who would never do that sort of thing, but you never know.

So strange that Boston PD first said the guy was linked to the couple and now deny with caveats.

Wow.

 

[IlDestriero]

Handguns don't have clips.

Also, they will fire the second, third, fourth, and so on times you pull the trigger. You pull the trigger on your taser and miss? Well now you've just pissed them off.
I have a Judge Tracker at my house. I use it for both home defense and ranch defense. I don't have to worry about taking off the safety and it's got .45 colt slugs and .410 shells in it. Makes it easier to kill both rattlesnakes and hogs should they feel a need to come say hi.

I used to just hit them with a shovel. Rattle snakes that is, not hogs.


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[deleted126335]

Two jobs now open in Boston...
...Too soon?

 

[Psai]

The amount of absurd conjecture in this thread blows my mind.

 

[chocomorsel]

I don't know if owning a gun would have saved them as there are some facts which seem to indicate the guy walked right into the apartment, such as police initially saying there was some sort of relationship between them as it certainly looked that way. If the guy was armed, and in better physical condition they may have already lost the fight though Field had time to text somebody, which indicates to me that the killer was occupied with "talking" with the woman. If an armed guy points a gun at you, would you ask him if you can text for help?

How the heck would this guy know to go to this certain floor of a secure apartment and the write words of retribution on the walls? I think that the wife, who had access to painkillers maybe was selling them to this guy on the side, and then decided not to deal with him anymore. Or maybe the husband was involved.

Probably the anwsthesiologists had more pricey things, but it looks like the killer knew that the wife had expensive jewelry and taking the jewelry was his way of getting back at her for a drug deal gone wrong.

I think the Brigham hospital attracts the sort of doctors who want to be associated with "the best", and that maybe one of the deceased wanted to supplement their income by selling narcotics they had access to.

There were also keys to said apartment outside . . . obviously the deceased didn't open their own door and leave their keys outside. It was probably the killer as he knew he was there to do the deed, and obviously he didn't care about locking up.

He didn't shoot them, but probably pistol whipped them unconscious and then made one watch (probably the husband) while he slit the wife's throat. If either of these two were dealing drugs, they probably hid a lot of the evidence.

I think Brigham or somebody put a lot of pressure on Boston PD to play down the strong possibility of these people knowing each other. It will probably come out at the trial.

You are really, really reaching here and making assumptions about something you have absolutely no clue about!!!
Is this what you think anesthesiologists do to make extra money?
Please try to put yourself in the poor deceased shoes and think how you would feel if people were making these assumptions about you.
Yeah, I know they can't feel anything, but this s hit you are typing is really callous and unfounded.

Go write a novel or something. And stop speculating so negatively on something none of us really know about.

 

[chocomorsel]

And attendings at most of these teaching hospitals in Boston don't earn a lot of money by my standards due to the high cost of living in Boston. The average person has no clue how much income it takes to live in a $700K apartment combined with all the other expenses of living a "nice lifestyle."

Let's not forget her place cost $700K and his place was $2 million. I realize that this is pure conjecture here but this is not your typical academic couple. He was in private practice doing "Pain" so I assume he was earning 7 figures. Or, were things a bit slow and his income was $600K putting a crimp on his lifestyle.

I'm not making any excuse for the murderer here but something does seem a bit fishy.

Maybe they come from wealthy families. Maybe someone died and left them a nice chunk of change. Maybe he truly was making 7 figures and living well.

Where do you guys get off on making these assumptions about these poor murdered people? How would you feel if this was your family and people were speculating and reaching and putting it on the internet?

How about we wait to see the facts after the police complete their investigation.

 

[chocomorsel]

The amount of absurd conjecture in this thread blows my mind.

Absolutely agree and I didn't' even see this before I posted.
People have wild imaginations.

 

[chocomorsel]

Yeah, its fishy to say the least. I didn't know they were married but lived in separate, and very expensive apartments either.

The wife looked kinda . . . young to be with Field, I don't if it was more she liked having his income or something, but they seemed to enjoy the high life.

The wife was from Columbia too, and in a lot of Latin American countries, bribery, embezzlement and shady deals make up a large part of the economy, it is just how business is done, so being a fantastic pediatric anesthesiologist wouldn't necessarily make it impossible or unethical (in her eyes) to earn some more cash on the side in an illegal pursuit, with somebody from that culture she might not have seen these two actions as contradictory.

I don't know what photos tell, they look like a nice couple and people who would never do that sort of thing, but you never know.

So strange that Boston PD first said the guy was linked to the couple and now deny with caveats.





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I don't know where you came from Hampshire girl, but you need to crawl back there and stay there.
Step back re-read your posts, imagine these were your friends or family and think how you would feel with all this absurd crap you keep typing.
You need to write a novel for real and leave these people alone.

 

[deleted109597]

The amount of absurd conjecture in this thread blows my mind.

This close to Comey's firing? Definitely Trump. They were on to the Russian connection.

 

[GasPackerGB]

Hampshiregirl you are something else. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


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[deleted171991]

For the bleeding hearts here. Smug superiority re: immigration is pretty cool right up until it's slitting your throat open.

Statistics show that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than natives. Every rose has its thorn.

 

[deleted171991]

Should be held accountable as an accessory. Barring that, disbarment/disrobing at a minimum. If the family members of the secondary victims (the docs) sought their own form of Justice against her, I'd happily vote Not Guilty as a jury member.

Next time you save a known criminal's life, before he goes out and kills somebody, let's just hold you accountable as an accessory.

It's so easy to be judgmental. Walk a mile in her shoes first.

 

[GasPackerGB]

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[IlDestriero]

You guys are crazy. If she was making 3-400 and he was making 6+, they could easily support their lifestyle. He's been banking pain dollars for >20 years and she's more than a decade in. I could pay cash for a $1m+ condo and I'm getting by on well less than $1m a year and haven't been making attending level income for 2 decades either.
Or maybe she's a Colombian drug lord's daughter. Or a former CIA informant or something.


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[NightNight]

Next time you save a known criminal's life, before he goes out and kills somebody, let's just hold you accountable as an accessory.

It's so easy to be judgmental. Walk a mile in her shoes first.

Lol wut? How are these scenarios even remotely comparable?

I'm not "out to get" immigrants here. I'm sick of activist judges letting their politics allow felons to walk our streets and hurt other citizens.

This woman now has two dead bodies and a raped young woman on her hands. What's your threshold before she should be held accountable?


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[nimbus]

And attendings at most of these teaching hospitals in Boston don't earn a lot of money by my standards due to the high cost of living in Boston. The average person has no clue how much income it takes to live in a $700K apartment combined with all the other expenses of living a "nice lifestyle."

Let's not forget her place cost $700K and his place was $2 million. I realize that this is pure conjecture here but this is not your typical academic couple. He was in private practice doing "Pain" so I assume he was earning 7 figures. Or, were things a bit slow and his income was $600K putting a crimp on his lifestyle.

I'm not making any excuse for the murderer here but something does seem a bit fishy.

One of the benefits of starting your career in a high cost of living area 10-20 years ago is that you've been riding the real estate gravy train. Many of my partners live in $2-3mil homes because they were purchased for 4-500k in the 1990s and 2000s. It's common for 2 physician couples to have that kind of lifestyle. Nothing fishy about it at all. I know several physician couples with much higher real estate wealth here in California.

 

[BLADEMDA]

One of the benefits of starting your career in a high cost of living area 10-20 years ago is that you've been riding the real estate gravy train. Many of my partners live in $2-3mil homes because they were purchased for 4-500k in the 1990s and 2000s. It's common for 2 physician couples to have that kind of lifestyle. Nothing fishy about it at all. I know several physician couples with much higher real estate wealth here in California.

That's fine. But, he purchased his luxury apartment for $1.9 million and her apartment was $700K. The fact that the alleged murderer was seeking retribution combined with their high spending lifestyle is what makes me suspicious. I'm sure the police will look into the matter but I'm not sure this info. (if there is any about drugs) will be made public.

I do think it's odd he picked their apartment to rob and then slaughtered them in cold blood while they watched in the mirror. But, I concede there are maniacs/lunatics out there wanting to do others harm so I'll cease from any further conjecture.

For most of us regular folks not living in a $2 million luxury apartment we can still sleep better at night by locking our doors and not leaving the keys to our home outside. In addition, a security system combined with a home defense plan is something we all should have in place.

My prayers go out to the family and friends of the victims here. It was a brutal, cold, heartless murder scene and the alleged murderer deserves to be put to death for it.

 

[nimbus]

That's fine. But, he purchased his luxury apartment for $1.9 million and her apartment was $700K.

More than likely they've been building real estate equity for years and flipped their equity into the latest purchases. Doubt it was their first homes.

 

[Ezekiel2517]

And attendings at most of these teaching hospitals in Boston don't earn a lot of money by my standards due to the high cost of living in Boston. The average person has no clue how much income it takes to live in a $700K apartment combined with all the other expenses of living a "nice lifestyle."

Let's not forget her place cost $700K and his place was $2 million. I realize that this is pure conjecture here but this is not your typical academic couple. He was in private practice doing "Pain" so I assume he was earning 7 figures. Or, were things a bit slow and his income was $600K putting a crimp on his lifestyle.

I'm not making any excuse for the murderer here but something does seem a bit fishy.

The dude wasn't an academic anesthesiologist. north shore pain management is PP. The guys in this group make bank. Could easily afford a 2 mil home

 

[partydoc]

Next time you save a known criminal's life, before he goes out and kills somebody, let's just hold you accountable as an accessory.

It's so easy to be judgmental. Walk a mile in her shoes first.

You're right, I usually go half @$$'d for my traumas.

 

[epidural man]

The amount of absurd conjecture in this thread blows my mind.

Not conjecture.

Deductive reasoning.

Actually, if you really look at the facts presented to us by a random guy writing a newspaper article, it becomes very clear that the female was running a human-trafficking ring and would often take payment in blood diamonds that were being used to help finance a small drug faction in Columbia. That is so obvious from the story. She also was clearly having an affair with the the head of endocrinology at the hospital (see the last paragraph - you have to read between the lines a little, but it is there).

The thing is, the boyfriend had just found out about the affair (see paragraph two, very clear with the way things are worded) and was not that jealous because he was secretly gay and totally strung out on heroine but was paying for sex on the side. However, he needed more money because of his gambling debt, which the girlfriend didn't approve.

The guy that killed them was actually the girl friend's brazilian dance partner. The story isn't very clear why he killed them though - I picked up on something about a stolen dog and a weird fact about the killer's estranged uncle.

Anyway, it's all there. Just look.

 

[teeva]

Fair enough. I may actually be in a hospital now, with some like meningitis . . . so maybe I'm not thinking too clearly?

That's an insulting scapegoat. I've met meningeal bacteria, viruses, and fungi with more intelligence and coherence than your posts.

 

[nimbus]

Not conjecture.

Deductive reasoning.

Actually, if you really look at the facts presented to us by a random guy writing a newspaper article, it becomes very clear that the female was running a human-trafficking ring and would often take payment in blood diamonds that were being used to help finance a small drug faction in Columbia. That is so obvious from the story. She also was clearly having an affair with the the head of endocrinology at the hospital (see the last paragraph - you have to read between the lines a little, but it is there).

The thing is, the boyfriend had just found out about the affair (see paragraph two, very clear with the way things are worded) and was not that jealous because he was secretly gay and totally strung out on heroine but was paying for sex on the side. However, he needed more money because of his gambling debt, which the girlfriend didn't approve.

The guy that killed them was actually the girl friend's brazilian dance partner. The story isn't very clear why he killed them though - I picked up on something about a stolen dog and a weird fact about the killer's estranged uncle.

Anyway, it's all there. Just look.

So obvious now that you point it out. I'm embarrassed I didn't see it sooner.

 

[GasPackerGB]

Not conjecture.

Deductive reasoning.

Actually, if you really look at the facts presented to us by a random guy writing a newspaper article, it becomes very clear that the female was running a human-trafficking ring and would often take payment in blood diamonds that were being used to help finance a small drug faction in Columbia. That is so obvious from the story. She also was clearly having an affair with the the head of endocrinology at the hospital (see the last paragraph - you have to read between the lines a little, but it is there).

The thing is, the boyfriend had just found out about the affair (see paragraph two, very clear with the way things are worded) and was not that jealous because he was secretly gay and totally strung out on heroine but was paying for sex on the side. However, he needed more money because of his gambling debt, which the girlfriend didn't approve.

The guy that killed them was actually the girl friend's brazilian dance partner. The story isn't very clear why he killed them though - I picked up on something about a stolen dog and a weird fact about the killer's estranged uncle.

Anyway, it's all there. Just look.

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[deleted171991]

I don't know about that, this article says illegal immigrants make up 3.5% of the US population but may commit 22% of the homicides. It seems logical that if you were OK breaking US law to enter the US, and come from a country with more homicides, (and if you're from a country where 95% of the times murderers aren't caught) that you would be more likely to commit a homicide.

I can't remember if "The Hill" is partisan?

The truth about crime, illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities

Even if that's true, illegals are one thing, and legal immigrants another. Don't mix them together, because people who respect the tough immigration rules and jump through all the hoops tend to be law-abiding decent people.

 

[deleted171991]

Lol wut? How are these scenarios even remotely comparable?

I'm not "out to get" immigrants here. I'm sick of activist judges letting their politics allow felons to walk our streets and hurt other citizens.

This woman now has two dead bodies and a raped young woman on her hands. What's your threshold before she should be held accountable?

Are you sure she's an activist judge? You don't know what her thinking and the rules she had to follow were.

I personally think we, as a country, are among the most authoritarian in the world. (I can't think of another country that welcomes police presence in schools.) We tend to just lock people away and throw away the key, instead of reeducating them. It's not a coincidence that we have among the highest number of prisoners per capita. Our criminality has been going down for decades, paralleling the decrease in the number of undesired children (post Roe v. Wade). Just because the sensationalist media makes a big fuss every time a ***** starts shooting somewhere, it doesn't mean that the crime rate is going up. There is also historical proof that all this idiotic "hard on crime" stance has zero impact on crime. People who have the heart of a criminal will keep committing them, while those who have taken one bad decision and could otherwise be reeducated will be locked up for so long that they will have zero choice to reintegrate into society once released.

The same way "it takes a village to raise a child", when that child f-s up as an adult, it's everybody's fault. In a civilized society, one doesn't just give up on people, but gives them a second chance. Some people don't deserve it, but I'd rather have a guilty person go free than be punished excessively. Everybody deserves the benefit of the doubt, including criminals. Just because somebody has f-ed up once, it doesn't mean that the person is bad and lost to society.

And no, I am not a bleeding heart liberal. I am just older, and I know exactly what Jesus meant about throwing the first stone. There is this holier than thou aspect of some bigoted people who tend to forget that criminals are also human beings, and that the average decent person breaks the law a few times per week. Just because we have never been charged with anything doesn't mean we are so good and pure, and all those people behind bars are so evil. We have just been luckier in our lives.

 

[chocomorsel]

A lot of the tough on crime bull**** of locking people away and throwing away the keys is based on a very long history of racism. Most inmates are black. Many if not most of them though are non violent offenders. But grew up in poverty where they had no role models, education wasn't stressed and followed the gangster drug life of easy money. Or so they thought, till they got caught and thrown in jail forever.
And when they get out, 10 years later, no one wants to higher a black ex con so what do they turn to.? And it's not likely that they have been treated decently in jail or educated, or taught any vocational skills. It's a viscous cycle. Let's not forget minorities get tougher sentences for the same crimes again, because of racism and classism.
Then there the whole thing of privatizing jails to keep them full and make money for the owners and investors. More incentive for Peru criminals to rot in there.
The whole system needs to be overhauled. Plenty of those petty criminals could have a second chance if they were given the right tools.

Enough of my rant.

We need to follow the more Humane way that a lot of European countries have enacted in taking care of their prison population.

 

[nimbus]

What abt online?


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[real-teo]

I don't know about that, this article says illegal immigrants make up 3.5% of the US population but may commit 22% of the homicides. It seems logical that if you were OK breaking US law to enter the US, and come from a country with more homicides, (and if you're from a country where 95% of the times murderers aren't caught) that you would be more likely to commit a homicide.

I can't remember if "The Hill" is partisan?

The truth about crime, illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities

Geez, all this because the deceased female physician was Columbian. Way to perpetuate stereotypes about immigrants. I second one of the comments in this thread, you should definitely crawl back to wherever you came from. There is no room on this forum for your bigoted, xenophobic speculations. No matter how she lived her life outside of the hospital, neither she nor her husband deserved to die. Please educate yourself on the countless contributions that immigrants and people of color have made to this country, you will be a better person for it.

 

[Colba55o]

Your post is all over the place. So, I'll answer you point by point.

1. In the USA having a gun in your home or, for that matter, in your possession, is a constitutional right protected by the second amendment. So, whether you believe a gun in the home is more dangerous than not having one doesn't alter the U.S. Constitution. If I choose to defend myself with a firearm that is my right.

2. Stealing stuff- If a burglar breaks into my home while I'm away then all he gets is "stuff" like my TV, watches and the Ruger GP100. No human life is endangered and the need for lethal force is not required. I'm not advocating for lethal force to protect stuff but rather for those you love as well as yourself. A burglar's intention may extend well beyond the desire to just take your stuff; he may take your life. Since we have no way of knowing the intentions of a person committing a felony in your home lethal force is justifiable.

3. Tragedy- I agree that the risk of a home invasion with loss of life is a rare event and one I don't ever expect to happen to me; but, I have my right via the second amendment to own and carry a firearm. I choose to exercise that right. Also, the fact is that a firearm may have saved lives in this tragedy as the alleged murderer would have likely fled the scene. Perhaps, there would only have been a robbery that day instead of two murders.

4. Race- it's irrelevant to the facts. A home intruder robbed and murdered 2 people. Whether the thief was white, black or brown wouldn't have changed how most of us dealt with the situation.

5. Dylan Roof- This comparison is way off base. Mr. Roof is a disturbed individual with racist ideology. The discussion in this thread is about robbery and home defense.
Whether it's radical muslim terrorists, nutcase white supremacist racists or just mentally disturbed individuals a free society with a second amendment must deal with tragedies. These mass killings are hate based crimes and not based on money. In addition, I believe a society with a second amendment like the USA should not have "gun free zones" as that only encourages the criminals while limiting the law abiding citizens (which most gun owners are).

6. Concealed Carry/Gun ownership- It's a fundamental right in the USA just like Free Speech. Would we be willing to give up our freedoms to live in a safer society? Who gets to decide what freedoms are worth keeping and which ones get abolished? No thank you. Despite the tragedies of a free society it's the best system ever created on Earth.

Peace to you all and I recommend a firearm for personal protection.

I'll respond to you in kind, point by point

1) I agree gun ownership is protected by the constitution even though it is dangerous. Dont get what your point is.

2) I agree that lethal force is justifiable if someone invades your home, never said it wasn't. And of course if someone steals your gun, your family's life may not be in danger, but the next family who's home that burglar invades might be.

3) Again, I never argued that you are not allowed to keep a gun. The law once permitted men to own slaves, prohibited gay people from marrying and women from voting. You seem to think that because the constitution gives you a right, that it means its the best choice. Laws change.

4) You're wrong on this. Race is irrelevant to the facts of what occurred but very relevant to the visceral response you and others had to what happened. When shootings occur in South Chicago, or other poor neighborhoods, or violent crime afflicts black and brown people (ie committed by the police) you would not react as strongly if at all, and suggest people arm themselves for protection. But when the victims are white wealthy doctors like you are, and the shooter is a black immigrant your reaction is to support keeping a gun in your home for protection.

The type of vigilante, protect myself at all costs attitude is what led to Trayvon Martin's death. If a burglar breaks into your home, chances are he is armed working with someone else who may be armed, and has experience committing these crimes. Do you really think most of you could get to your gun and shoot and kill them before they got you? Seems more likely you may shoot and miss and his buddy may sneak up behind you and things happen very differently.

 

[nimbus]

I'll respond to you in kind, point by point

1) I agree gun ownership is protected by the constitution even though it is dangerous. Dont get what your point is.

2) I agree that lethal force is justifiable if someone invades your home, never said it wasn't. And of course if someone steals your gun, your family's life may not be in danger, but the next family who's home that burglar invades might be.

3) Again, I never argued that you are not allowed to keep a gun. The law once permitted men to own slaves, prohibited gay people from marrying and women from voting. You seem to think that because the constitution gives you a right, that it means its the best choice. Laws change.

4) You're wrong on this. Race is irrelevant to the facts of what occurred but very relevant to the visceral response you and others had to what happened. When shootings occur in South Chicago, or other poor neighborhoods, or violent crime afflicts black and brown people (ie committed by the police) you would not react as strongly if at all, and suggest people arm themselves for protection. But when the victims are white wealthy doctors like you are, and the shooter is a black immigrant your reaction is to support keeping a gun in your home for protection.

The type of vigilante, protect myself at all costs attitude is what led to Trayvon Martin's death. If a burglar breaks into your home, chances are he is armed working with someone else who may be armed, and has experience committing these crimes. Do you really think most of you could get to your gun and shoot and kill them before they got you? Seems more likely you may shoot and miss and his buddy may sneak up behind you and things happen very differently.

Yes but in this particular case the outcome couldn't be worse for the victims. A gun in the home might have helped.

 

[doctalaughs]

I'll respond to you in kind, point by point

1) I agree gun ownership is protected by the constitution even though it is dangerous. Dont get what your point is.

2) I agree that lethal force is justifiable if someone invades your home, never said it wasn't. And of course if someone steals your gun, your family's life may not be in danger, but the next family who's home that burglar invades might be.

3) Again, I never argued that you are not allowed to keep a gun. The law once permitted men to own slaves, prohibited gay people from marrying and women from voting. You seem to think that because the constitution gives you a right, that it means its the best choice. Laws change.

4) You're wrong on this. Race is irrelevant to the facts of what occurred but very relevant to the visceral response you and others had to what happened. When shootings occur in South Chicago, or other poor neighborhoods, or violent crime afflicts black and brown people (ie committed by the police) you would not react as strongly if at all, and suggest people arm themselves for protection. But when the victims are white wealthy doctors like you are, and the shooter is a black immigrant your reaction is to support keeping a gun in your home for protection.

The type of vigilante, protect myself at all costs attitude is what led to Trayvon Martin's death. If a burglar breaks into your home, chances are he is armed working with someone else who may be armed, and has experience committing these crimes. Do you really think most of you could get to your gun and shoot and kill them before they got you? Seems more likely you may shoot and miss and his buddy may sneak up behind you and things happen very differently.

Seems you, not others are bringing race into this. If it was a white home invader and murderer, how do you know the response would be different?

Also, if people disagree with you at all about the Trayvon Martin case (or others like it), does that automatically make them racist? Seems like a pretty rigid world view.




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[BLADEMDA]

I'll respond to you in kind, point by point

1) I agree gun ownership is protected by the constitution even though it is dangerous. Dont get what your point is.

2) I agree that lethal force is justifiable if someone invades your home, never said it wasn't. And of course if someone steals your gun, your family's life may not be in danger, but the next family who's home that burglar invades might be.

3) Again, I never argued that you are not allowed to keep a gun. The law once permitted men to own slaves, prohibited gay people from marrying and women from voting. You seem to think that because the constitution gives you a right, that it means its the best choice. Laws change.

4) You're wrong on this. Race is irrelevant to the facts of what occurred but very relevant to the visceral response you and others had to what happened. When shootings occur in South Chicago, or other poor neighborhoods, or violent crime afflicts black and brown people (ie committed by the police) you would not react as strongly if at all, and suggest people arm themselves for protection. But when the victims are white wealthy doctors like you are, and the shooter is a black immigrant your reaction is to support keeping a gun in your home for protection.

The type of vigilante, protect myself at all costs attitude is what led to Trayvon Martin's death. If a burglar breaks into your home, chances are he is armed working with someone else who may be armed, and has experience committing these crimes. Do you really think most of you could get to your gun and shoot and kill them before they got you? Seems more likely you may shoot and miss and his buddy may sneak up behind you and things happen very differently.

Wrong. If this guy below had invaded the home and murdered these two Physicians my posts would have been the same. Race has nothing to do with it.

 

[IlDestriero]

He even comes with a little target.


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[deleted697127]

Is Columbia hillbilly for Colombia? 😉

 

[chocomorsel]

Seems you, not others are bringing race into this. If it was a white home invader and murderer, how do you know the response would be different?

Also, if people disagree with you at all about the Trayvon Martin case (or others like it), does that automatically make them racist? Seems like a pretty rigid world view.




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I think he or she is saying, that if the victims had been brown/black, the response may have been different. Of course, she was of a darker hue. Are Latinos considered brown or white?

 

[BobBarker]

Depends. The they can either be white hispanic or non white hispanic according to the government.

 

[Colba55o]

Seems you, not others are bringing race into this. If it was a white home invader and murderer, how do you know the response would be different?

Also, if people disagree with you at all about the Trayvon Martin case (or others like it), does that automatically make them racist? Seems like a pretty rigid world view.




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There's no way to know the response would be different if the shooter had been white and the victims black but I suspect it would have been. It's the same reason why when someone from the Middle East kills people, its called radical Islamic terrorism but if a white guy kills people its not called white American terrorism.

Ever heard of Renisha McBride? Probably not, but it's a clear example of the consequences of people with guns who think they are protecting their homes

Detroit-area man gets 17 to 32 years for shooting visitor on porch

Any reasonably intelligent person who doesn't believe Trayvon Martin would be alive today if all else being the same, he had blond hair and blue eyes, yes I would absolutely consider to be a racist.

It's easy to not bring race into it, when you're not a member of the race that is disproportionately victimized by gun violence