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Hi everyone,

I'm not applying to med school yet, but this is keeping me up at night... Also tried to call AMCAS, but couldn't get a hold of them.

In 2014-2015, I did a NIGHTMARE of a program focused of coaching education... It was disorganized, some classes were taught by people without a phd or even a masters, and I did not do well. I got a 3.0 or something like that.. I can't even tell you, because my grades are no where.. I think we got them on a piece of paper every quarter.. No transcript, no nothing. Exercise physiology and psychology were two classes, however it was highly modified for coaches and geared towards the sport we were involved in... Basically the program doesn't exist. It's not a professional school, it's not a real institution.. It's nothing.. And their disorganization makes me look bad. I'm panicking.. Does this need to be included? I'm applying to post bacc premed programs currently.. Do I need to include it? It does not highlight my academic ability. They take your money, and then waste your time.
 

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What did you get at the end of it, a plastic trophy that says "PARTICIPANT"? You're only required to list the post-secondary institutions you attended, if it's not a real institution and was just some random organization of grifters then you don't have to list it. Just make sure that that is the case. Whether it does or does not highlight your academic abilities is irrelevant.
 
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I received a piece of paper that said "advanced certififice in _____ leadership" the ____ being the sport the program was focused on.


It's the only program of its kind... It doesn't exist anywhere else, and takes place at the sport's facility... Not a school or anything like that.

I do like the idea of a trophy.. Perhaps I'll suggest it hahha
 

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If it isn't a regionally accredited college, it doesn't count for anything. Do not include.
Just to clarify. Each medical school, not AMCAS, has the requirement of a regionally accredited institution. AMCAS actually doesnt use the term accredited for what should be submitted (see below quote). However, it would be safe to say that if an organization/program is not chartered or recognized by a state of other governmental authority as a post-secondary educational institution, it can be ignored. If the OP's program is not in anyway connected with a college or if educational grants/loans were not used (which may show up on a NSC report), it is safe to ignore.

Having said all that, if I were advising the student, I would just leave it off. This sounds like some sort of, at best, pseudo-vocational college, or more likely, a private training company.


When entering coursework, you must include information and corresponding grades for
every course in which you have ever enrolled at any U.S., U.S. Territorial, or Canadian
post-secondary institution, regardless of whether credit was earned.
 

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Better to be honest now then to explain later... just in case.
Not always. The OP was unsure but @gonnif is very knowledgeable and gave a good explanation of why the OP should not include it.
Yeah, in this case it is likely not a post-secondary institution as implied in the AMCAS instruction. It can only hurt GPA as it is not an accredited institution and none of the course work will count towards anything in medical school. It can be reasonably inferred that a private training program in coaching is not a college class. If it was sponsored by a college and/or paid for with recognized Federal grants or loans, then it needs to examined further.
 
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Yeah, in this case it is likely not a post-secondary institution as implied in the AMCAS instruction. It can only hurt GPA as it is not an accredited institution and none of the course work will count towards anything in medical school. It can be reasonably inferred that a private training program in coaching is not a college class. If it was sponsored by a college and/or paid for with recognized Federal grants or loans, then it needs to examined further.
Thank you for the response... So to be clear, if it is not accredited, I should not waste my time listing it as secondary education? I emailed the director asking him about it, and he verified that it is not accredited but was thinking that I actually wanted to use the transcript, so he continued to say "Not accredited but recognized by most. We've done transcripts for all sorts of post graduate programs in the past." not sure what that is supposed to mean, but I asked him to call me, so I can clarify. What key words should I use when asking him??


I did not use federal loans for this program.
 

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Thank you for the response... So to be clear, if it is not accredited, I should not waste my time listing it as secondary education? I emailed the director asking him about it, and he verified that it is not accredited but was thinking that I actually wanted to use the transcript, so he continued to say "Not accredited but recognized by most. We've done transcripts for all sorts of post graduate programs in the past." not sure what that is supposed to mean, but I asked him to call me, so I can clarify. What key words should I use when asking him??


I did not use federal loans for this program.
Not accredited secondary institution, not paid for by student aid money, was it associated in any way, shape or form with any college or was it independent/private?
 
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Not accredited secondary institution, not paid for by student aid money, was it associated in any way, shape or form with any college or was it independent/private?
It is not associated with any particular college. I did not have to register with a university, and payments were made directly to the program. A few classes were taught by professors from local universities, but were not college courses... They were modified for relevance to fit what we were studying
 

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It is not associated with any particular college. I did not have to register with a university, and payments were made directly to the program. A few classes were taught by professors from local universities, but were not college courses... They were modified for relevance to fit what we were studying
So lets review

Not accredited as a college
Not paid with student aid of any kind
Not associated with any college

It would seem that it is not a post-secondary institution that would require reporting on AMCAS.
 
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Awesome. Thank you so much for everyone's help. I'm going to re verify everything tomorrow just in case, but I think I'm okay