Unfilled programs

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RNA said:
Do you have access to an updated unfilled program list?
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no, there's no such thing. however notices are sent out to some applicants and/or if someone knows someone there.
 
rirriri said:
no, there's no such thing. however notices are sent out to some applicants and/or if someone knows someone there.
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Oh, i thought that NRMP updated the list a positions filled- my bad.
 
Yeah, I don't think board scores mean jack-squat other than maybe you have a good memory for things that can easily be looked up and for buzzwords and such. I had a really good day on my step 1, but honestly I could imagine having had not so good of a day. And then what does that mean, that I know any less, am that much less well-trained or am any more physically attractive than I am? I doubt it. 😀
 
I was at the scramble for both days, and we had access to a list of unfilled positions that was updated. It was in the NRMP system for unmatched applicants to look at. Towards the end it wasn't that relevant because programs didn't bother updating it.
 
PathOne said:
230's scores can't even get you in the door at competitive rads programs, let alone ANY derm program. Djeez.

I think you need treatment for that xenophobia of yours. I guess that, according to your logic, English-language only AMG's shouldn't be able to get residencies in So. Cal, where most people by now speak spanish. But maybe hispanics with a US passport isn't blue-blooded americans in your book either? Perhaps only people of American Indian descent should be allowed to become docs, as they're the only REAL non-immigrant Americans.

I find it amazing that a AMG such as yourself, after eight years in a university, not only have so narrow-minded viewpoints, but also so much trouble communicating them in an intelligent and non-abrasive manner.

However, I have no illusions. I fully expect a barrage of name-calling and obscenities from you. Go ahead. Isn't going to ruin my day, and might make you feel more self-righteous than you feel already.
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Not to beat a dead horse, but one problem with IMGs filling path spots is that alot of them just want to be in America and have their kids grow up here more so than anything else. I live in New York, and everyday I get into a cab and have a Russian or Indian M.D. drive me to the hospital. These people just want to make a living doing medical work, rather than driving a cab, work construction, etc. I see nothing wrong with that. That is the American dream. The problem is that these people will work for alot less than the average AMG. So much for bargaining chips! The main issue with AMGs not matching is that some very reputable U.S. medical schools just don't bend over backwards to help their students. Instead they take your 150-200k and act like you are lucky to even be there. This is the problem! Academia is filled with many ego driven individuals that are so used to finding the flaws in their co-workers to crush the competition, that this is heavily rooted in their character, and they end up looking for what's wrong with you instead of what's right with you. In the end, nobody pulls for you, the student who's dad is in rads matches in rads, and you are left out in the cold. I didn't apply to rads though (path only for me). As time goes by I realize that it's the extracurricular information that really matters the most. U.S. medical schools do not advise their students as to forming a strategy to get the programs they want. Many IMGs view the AMG as an eternal competitor for programs, jobs, etc, and rightfully so. They tend to stick together and educate each other on the ins and outs of how to get into the U.S. medical system. Again, there is nothing wrong with this. Why do you think so many U.S. grads come to this stupid website to get information about forming a game plan for applications, ROLs, etc.? Think about it! It's pretty bad when you are spending a quarter of a million dollars on education and you are asking faceless people their opinions as to what field to go into, or how to make your application more competitive. Don't blame the IMGs for milking the one advantage they have (often times with an extra 4-6 year PhD. program to gain the insight), this problem is way deeper than it appears.
 
desmangt said:
Not to beat a dead horse, but one problem with IMGs filling path spots is that alot of them just want to be in America and have their kids grow up here more so than anything else. I live in New York, and everyday I get into a cab and have a Russian or Polish M.D. drive me to the hospital. These people just want to make a living doing medical work, rather than driving a cab, work construction, etc. I see nothing wrong with that. That is the American dream. The problem is that these people will work for alot less than the average AMG. So much for bargaining chips! The main issue with AMGs not matching is that some very reputable U.S. medical schools just don't bend over backwards to help their students. Instead they take your 150-200k and act like you are lucky to even be there. This is the problem! Academia is filled with mostly insecure ego driven individuals that are so used to finding the flaws in their co-workers to crush the competition, that this is heavily rooted in their character and they end up looking for what's wrong with you instead of what's right with you. In the end, nobody pulls for you, the student who's dad is a radiologist matches in rads, and you are left out in the cold. As time goes by I realize that it's the extracurricular information that really matters the most. U.S. medical schools do not advise their students as to forming a strategy to get the programs they want. Many IMGs view the AMG as an eternal competitor for programs, jobs, etc, and rightfully so. They tend to stick together and educate each other on the ins and outs of how to get into the U.S. medical system. Again, there is nothing wrong with this. Why do you think so many U.S. grads come to this stupid website to get information about forming a game plan for applications, ROLs, etc.? Think about it! It's pretty bad when you are spending a quarter of a million dollars on education and you are asking faceless people their opinions as to what field to go into, or how to make your application more competitive. Don't blame the IMGs for milking the one advantage they have (often times with an extra 4-6 year PhD. program to gain the insight), this problem is way deeper than it appears.
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YES.
I read the rest of your thesis. You are right on. Like right on the money. Hats off.
 
deschutes said:
Unveil the grand plan!
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Revolution I say! Ive had enough of this bowing the self-proclaimed Pathology greats who have done no more rearrange their own obscure taxonomic systems and played with the countless lives of medical students and residents like they were mere dolls. Im going to New Orleans USCAP next year and Im bringing Hell with me. :meanie:
 
LADoc00 said:
Revolution I say! Ive had enough of this bowing the self-proclaimed Pathology greats who have done no more rearrange their own obscure taxonomic systems and played with the countless lives of medical students and residents like they were mere dolls. Im going to New Orleans USCAP next year and Im bringing Hell with me. :meanie:
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I totally agree. If I do X, Y, and Z and do my best at it, are you gonna pull for me and get me that fellowship or job? Maybe! I've actually seen that sometimes the resident who complains the most, gets the most. If you are interested in private practice, the guy who truly has it in the bag is the guy who's buddy, dad, neighbor, etc. is already in practice and knows how to get reimbursement for histology, how to get contracts, or how to get the largest numbers of open job listings. It's probably not the guy in the ivory tower that has the answers to all of your problems. They can make you a great academic pathologist, but they don't usually get involved with the financial aspects of pathology. If you are interested in academics, though, these things are less important. I'm on the fence. I say we start an underground network of practicing non-academic pathologists to help us learn the ins and outs of how the business of pathology works. I nominate LADoc for president!

Not to keep this topic going, but I have to comment that many FMGs go on to become very famous and successful in pathology. Look at any copy of Modern Path or Human Path, most of the authors are foreign grads working at major academic hosipitals.
 
briliant posts

wholeheartedly agree and i couldnt be more disenfranchised with academia and this whole system
 
Thrombus said:
briliant posts

wholeheartedly agree and i couldnt be more disenfranchised with academia and this whole system
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Come on guys, everybody calm down. Everyone should go into academics, I hear its great. Dont go into private practice theres too much politics and trouble. In academia things are stable and you can have a lot of free time. It RULES!! Now its time to change the subject.
 
There's politics in both academia and private practice. The nature of the politics is different however. Politics sucks. Just gotta deal with and tolerate it.
 
AndyMilonakis said:
There's politics in both academia and private practice. The nature of the politics is different however. Politics sucks. Just gotta deal with and tolerate it.
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But see.... That's the whole problem. I know how academic pathology works. I don't know jack about private practice, which is a much larger job pool. I just hope in the end I'm gonna stick with academics. I personally feel that pathology is one of those "great" well-rounded fields, and I am happy that I matched before everyone jumped on the bandwagon. I wouldn't mind a little more insight. Knowledge is Power!!!
 
Freestyle said:
Yeah, I don't think board scores mean jack-squat other than maybe you have a good memory for things that can easily be looked up and for buzzwords and such. I had a really good day on my step 1, but honestly I could imagine having had not so good of a day. And then what does that mean, that I know any less, am that much less well-trained or am any more physically attractive than I am? I doubt it. 😀
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Only 10-20% of the USMLE is RECALL! Memorization would NOT get you far...this pretty much explains why the FIRST AID book is pretty useless!

P.S. Buzzwords DO NOT exist on the USMLE.
 
rirriri said:
no, there's no such thing. however notices are sent out to some applicants and/or if someone knows someone there.
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rirriri, you are just blowing smoke from your ass...the NRMP DOES update its unfilled list every hour of the day! 😀
 
At the same time, the kids whose parents were dermatologists, radiologists, radiation oncologists, etc. were working to secure themselves spots in fields with great income, low malpractice, and good lifestyles. !![/QUOTE]


Why does everyone think that other fields dont have or wont in the near future high malpractice? esp radiology. Everyone who can pay will no one is safe from lawsuits. When life is great in a speciality word gets out and the spots get competitive. But by the time the next generation comes around things arent great anymore ( malpractive, lawsuits, oversaturation of the field with those who think its gonna be great) Alot of fields were big money makers in the 80's I hear this all of the time but they arent great anymore. The only diffrence now is that this trend just moves from speciality to speciality. You never know when radiology becomes saturated and no longer "great" everyone might be screaming PMR as the next big thing. Point is do what your going to do stick with it and keep your ears open if your weak an certain aspects of the medical business. I always thought they should have some type of business class in med school. Today medicine is a business.
ps sorry about all the typo's
 
I completely agree. The point I was making is that many medical students get caught up in the competition and there are many dying for ortho surgery because of the prestige when they have two young children at home. It's the perspective. The kids whose parents/friends are doctors have knowing perspective pointing out that "lifestyle", "family", etc. are more important than their peers will admit. I had friends in med school who loved pathology but wouldn't apply beacuse it wasn't competitive enough. Now, with path becoming more competitive, we have AMGs applying to only "big name" path programs and not matching. The most important thing is to get a job, not maintain your ego. We have to pay off those loans somehow. Don't blame the IMGs, alot of them just want to practice medicine (any form), make money, have the American Dream, and not drive me to work everyday in a cab. We, AMGs, can create our own problems.

Again though, we wouldn't have an impressive international pathology status if it weren't for importing some of the top brains in the world.
 
cab?
 
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