Urrrrgh ...single?

Is there any way you can work all your shifts lumped together?

I work about 70 miles outside a major city. I rent a room in the town with the hospital for days that I work.

I keep an apartment in the city and do all of my dating there.

It's not perfect, but I make it work.

Unfortunately, I don't have shifts, I just work every day (with most weekends off). I do appreciate the suggestion, though. I have yet to figure out what dating there is -- I've literally just been here for two days now. Driving to the univeristy town here takes about 45 minutes, but I rationalized to myself that it was no big deal. I mean, if I still lived in the metropolitan area I just moved from, the distance to commute might be only 15 miles and yet take that long, too. But I don't know where to meet people around here. Some of the mods, actually, who are from the area (I hope they don't mind me saying this) were trying to give me suggestions, but although I am extremely extremely appreciative I'm also pretty dubious. The main "attraction" around here, based on what they said and what I read online, is some sort of market square that has shops and restaurants. But I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with that. I mean, you can't just sort of walk around and run into people (or at least, I can't -- I know the stereotypical "pick up artist" routine is to just walk up to random women, but that's not me). Still, I'll probably check it out soon. Can't hurt.

I tried messaging the two or three women I saw online who actually had graduate degrees, even though I'm not attracted to any of them, just to ask if they were interested in hanging out sometime. I don't know if that was a complete turnoff for a dating site, since they read my messages but didn't reply. 🙁 So I think online is pretty much dead for me. Last thing I have planned is a laser tag outing for next week, but like I said, everyone coming is basically older than me with kids. So I doubt it will contribute much to my personal life other than, obviously, some possible friendships. But given that they all live in town and I live 60 miles away, I probably won't be able to do many of these "meetups" once I start working.

My friends all say that working will take my mind off things, and it will, but it's sort of like doing drugs. Sure, my mind will be off my disaster of a personal life, but all I'm doing is taking my mind off the problem while it gets worse. That happened with my other (sucktastic) job, where I just worked and was either on call or tired and just went home. A couple years later, I paused and realized I was a couple years older and that was all. Errrgh. Sorry to whine about this, but it's pretty frustrating.
 
Also, hen I did do the POF thing 2-3 years ago, I had multiple figures showing off my physique (I`m 190 7% body fat, competitive powerlifter physique) and had a very outgoing profile showing off everything I had, and even then... I`d only get a few responses when I sent out bulk loads of messages.
People who didn`t have the above, always told me they wouldn`t even get a single reply.
Of course it varies, and most chicks get their inboxes blasted full of messages, so luck is a factor.

Yeah, I know it must be ridiculous to be an attractive woman and be on online dating. You either get nothing (because everyone is thinking "I have no shot") or it's a bunch of losers all going "heeeey, girl, you fine!!" I can't bring myself to do the shirtless thing, plus I have nothing up top, lol. I'm a runner, so I have low body fat, but I'm not ripped, just lean. That's not my personality, though.
 
Yeah, I know it must be ridiculous to be an attractive woman and be on online dating. You either get nothing (because everyone is thinking "I have no shot") or it's a bunch of losers all going "heeeey, girl, you fine!!" I can't bring myself to do the shirtless thing, plus I have nothing up top, lol. I'm a runner, so I have low body fat, but I'm not ripped, just lean. That's not my personality, though.
You`d be surprised.. me and many others have done the fake profile experiment. No matter how you look as a chick, you get bombarded with messages.
 
Well, I made a fake profile, too, to begin with, just so I could see what type of women were on the site (since they force you to do so). But, with the exception of POF, you didn't need to include a photo mandatorily, so I never had one.
 
Well, I posted my profile on an online dating website (Christian site) and got A LOT of looks and winks/smiles and messages from the girls. Many were quite attractive. I think I messaged only two girls (I was/am crushing on a girl off of the website). The key, I think, is having concise but substantive stuff to put in your profile and to have 2-3 contrasting but attractive photos of your face+torso (robed, not bare). The photo is crucial. There are things you can do to work on this (losing weight if overweight, if your face is very young looking, can you grow a beard to give you angles?). Don't lose hope.

Btw, initially my profile alluded to a medical career, but then I took that down and talked about being a researcher. While the number of looks/mail went down, it did not plummet and there were clearly still women interested despite the change in the text.

Also, try more professional sites than POF, like Match or eHarmony or some of the niche websites (there are Christian, Jewish, Indian, etc. websites, perhaps you'll find one that fits you).
 
Well, I posted my profile on an online dating website (Christian site) and got A LOT of looks and winks/smiles and messages from the girls. Many were quite attractive. I think I messaged only two girls (I was/am crushing on a girl off of the website). The key, I think, is having concise but substantive stuff to put in your profile and to have 2-3 contrasting but attractive photos of your face+torso (robed, not bare). The photo is crucial. There are things you can do to work on this (losing weight if overweight, if your face is very young looking, can you grow a beard to give you angles?). Don't lose hope.

Btw, initially my profile alluded to a medical career, but then I took that down and talked about being a researcher. While the number of looks/mail went down, it did not plummet and there were clearly still women interested despite the change in the text.

Also, try more professional sites than POF, like Match or eHarmony or some of the niche websites (there are Christian, Jewish, Indian, etc. websites, perhaps you'll find one that fits you).

I don't know if it's me, then, because I'd consider myself a fairly decent writer. Initially, to be fair, I tried to hide a lot of my profile (e.g., I'd never say what my occupation was), so I can understand a reluctance for women to be interested in that. But then I said, "whatever" and was quite open (other than salary, I'm still not including that). Still nothing. So I don't know if it's something I'm doing that is coming off as creepy, or what. I'd do a Christian site, but I'm not actually very religious, so I'd sort of feel like I'm just basically trolling churches for dates, which seems pretty low to me. I think my best bet is just seeing if I can get real life interactions going. But good luck to you!
 
Cut yourself some slack, ruralsurg4now, because it's probably not you. I'm an extroverted female who becomes really shy around guys that I'm interested in. (Personally, I think it's a trust issue: I neither trust myself not to make a fool of myself, nor do I trust you enough to let you in yet.)

Be encouraged that you aren't alone in postponing dating until after college and grad school... But it does present a conundrum of where to meet people who are age appropriate, attractive (which is a subjective quality), and interesting. I don't really have an answer for that either.

Previously you inquired what females want people to talk to about. As you can imagine, everyone is different. For instance, I love deep conversation, trivia, and people watching (former actress/dancer, current DPT applicant) and small talk makes me cringe inside. My friends love to discuss TV shows and pop culture.
After listening and observing in a new group, try to lead with topics with which you are comfortable; books, movies, fishing, sky diving, music, travel, holiday mishaps or traditions, how nuts the locals are, etc. and try to transition that into getting a group or another individual together to do something that relates to that topic. (For instance: adrenalin junkies might want to check out an amusement park. Holiday coming up? If you love it, have a holiday party that enbraces every tradition, no matter how tacky! Hate it? Have an anti-holiday party. Sometimes things as simple as trading books/music can lead to meaningful friendships/relationships.)

Best of luck to you. I'm sure you will find yourself an attractive, classy, intelligent lady who will exceed your hopes. Meanwhile, enjoy the humor, blessings, friendships, and adventures you are presented with each day. (After all, these are the things that make you most interesting. These are the things you will be sharing when you are old and gray.)
Peace and God bless
 
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Well, I posted my profile on an online dating website (Christian site) and got A LOT of looks and winks/smiles and messages from the girls. Many were quite attractive. I think I messaged only two girls (I was/am crushing on a girl off of the website). The key, I think, is having concise but substantive stuff to put in your profile and to have 2-3 contrasting but attractive photos of your face+torso (robed, not bare). The photo is crucial. There are things you can do to work on this (losing weight if overweight, if your face is very young looking, can you grow a beard to give you angles?). Don't lose hope.

Btw, initially my profile alluded to a medical career, but then I took that down and talked about being a researcher. While the number of looks/mail went down, it did not plummet and there were clearly still women interested despite the change in the text.

Also, try more professional sites than POF, like Match or eHarmony or some of the niche websites (there are Christian, Jewish, Indian, etc. websites, perhaps you'll find one that fits you).
So... how many girls did you bang and/or how many did you date successfully? You always look at outcomes.
 
I don't know if it's me, then, because I'd consider myself a fairly decent writer. Initially, to be fair, I tried to hide a lot of my profile (e.g., I'd never say what my occupation was), so I can understand a reluctance for women to be interested in that. But then I said, "whatever" and was quite open (other than salary, I'm still not including that). Still nothing. So I don't know if it's something I'm doing that is coming off as creepy, or what. I'd do a Christian site, but I'm not actually very religious, so I'd sort of feel like I'm just basically trolling churches for dates, which seems pretty low to me. I think my best bet is just seeing if I can get real life interactions going. But good luck to you!
so how are you standing out from the other 80 messages she gets when she's online for an hour or two? A couple years ago, POF was a great place for jacked guys to get a couple extra kills. Don't believe it's the same now.
 
Cut your self some slack, ruralsurg4now, because it's probably not you. I'm an extroverted female who becomes really shy around guys that I'm interested in. (Personally, I think it's a trust issue: I neither trust myself not to make a fool of myself, nor do I trust you enough to let you in yet.)

Be encouraged that you aren't alone in postponing dating until after college and grad school... But it does present a conundrum of where to meet people who are age appropriate, attractive (which is a subjective quality), and interesting. I don't really have an answer for that either.

Thanks for the encouragement. Yeah, I need to figure out where to meet people. So anyone who wants to give me some hints, feel free to chime in, SDN.
 
so how are you standing out from the other 80 messages she gets when she's online for an hour or two? A couple years ago, POF was a great place for jacked guys to get a couple extra kills. Don't believe it's the same now.

Yeah, I guess I'm not really standing out. Well, other than the fact that it seems like most other people can't use periods or write complete sentences (a number of women's profiles were complaining about that). But there's not much that I have to make me stand out, other than my job, which I'm not into flashing around. I mean, I'm a guy and my picture is there. Like I said, I'm not an ugly guy even if I'm no underwear model, so I dunno. Trust me, if I was hideous, I wouldn't be like "gee, Quasimodo no understand why he get no love!"
 
Yeah, I guess I'm not really standing out. Well, other than the fact that it seems like most other people can't use periods or write complete sentences (a number of women's profiles were complaining about that). But there's not much that I have to make me stand out, other than my job, which I'm not into flashing around. I mean, I'm a guy and my picture is there. Like I said, I'm not an ugly guy even if I'm no underwear model, so I dunno. Trust me, if I was hideous, I wouldn't be like "gee, Quasimodo no understand why he get no love!"
My point was you definitely need to "flash" your job and even exaggerate it. You're not going to meet a potential wife off of POF but just get some dating experience at most.
 
My point was you definitely need to "flash" your job and even exaggerate it. You're not going to meet a potential wife off of POF but just get some dating experience at most.

Uh, well, I'm not really into flashing the job. I figure that would attract the wrong type of women. But if I get desperate enough ... 😉
 
Uh, well, I'm not really into flashing the job. I figure that would attract the wrong type of women. But if I get desperate enough ... 😉
lol I mentioned that in another thread... on this whole topic of career/looks. Me and a buddy (couple years ago) made 3 accounts.

account 1: really jacked good looking guy
account 2: average/decent looking guy who's a surgeon
account 3: average looking guy with nothing special

Account 1 got quite a few messages, and a lot of replies (couple decent looking girls here and there).
Account 2 got very few messages and a few replies here and there (no decent looking girls I believe).
Account 3: pretty much zero success

I know a couple people who have tried similar things. Anyway, point is, if you're not 1... you absolutely have to go with 2.
Keep in mind, I brought up the career/money thing when messaging the people who replied to the second account.. all of the women got turned off and all but one stopped replying. So it's basically seen as an attractive feature to have.. more of a bonus.
You don't find many gold diggers on POF..
 
You may have mentioned it already but-are you a sports fan? If you're close to a university town, there should be a good bit of sports-related activities going on. Perhaps you can find a way of meeting women via that avenue. If there's a market square type place, there are usually events on the square during the fall/spring/summer. Winter is a little more iffy at the ones I've seen. Ice skating is about the only activity I've seen during the winter.

If you run, join a running club. Take up photography and join a club. Etc. There are a lot of ways of meeting women.

Do you have a better time asking women out once you know them?

Sorry if you've answered a lot of those questions. The thread got a little off topic-I don't remember everything that's been said.
 
You may have mentioned it already but-are you a sports fan? If you're close to a university town, there should be a good bit of sports-related activities going on. Perhaps you can find a way of meeting women via that avenue. If there's a market square type place, there are usually events on the square during the fall/spring/summer. Winter is a little more iffy at the ones I've seen. Ice skating is about the only activity I've seen during the winter.

If you run, join a running club. Take up photography and join a club. Etc. There are a lot of ways of meeting women.

Do you have a better time asking women out once you know them?

Sorry if you've answered a lot of those questions. The thread got a little off topic-I don't remember everything that's been said.

Well, the problem is I'm actually not in the university town. I'm about 45 minutes away from it (hence the "rural" in my name). I do run, but I usually do it alone. Nevertheless, I was game for signing up for a running club, but I quickly realized that with the commute it would really be impossible. I might still run some road races, depending on my schedule, but it's sort of tough meeting people at those because they're usually just focused on running. Thanks for the brainstorming, though! More heads = better. 🙂

As far as asking out women, it's not about how well I know them. I just get VERY shy when I like a girl. Like, ridiculously so. I asked out a nurse -- the one who was way out of my league that I mentioned -- and after she turned me down (she had a fiancee), I was totally fine with talking with her normally. It's totally messed up. 🙁
 
Well, the problem is I'm actually not in the university town. I'm about 45 minutes away from it (hence the "rural" in my name). I do run, but I usually do it alone. Nevertheless, I was game for signing up for a running club, but I quickly realized that with the commute it would really be impossible. I might still run some road races, depending on my schedule, but it's sort of tough meeting people at those because they're usually just focused on running. Thanks for the brainstorming, though! More heads = better. 🙂

As far as asking out women, it's not about how well I know them. I just get VERY shy when I like a girl. Like, ridiculously so. I asked out a nurse -- the one who was way out of my league that I mentioned -- and after she turned me down (she had a fiancee), I was totally fine with talking with her normally. It's totally messed up. 🙁
Beta blockers?
 
Lol, nah. It's not really heart rate. It's more like I just freeze and clam up.
 
Meeting through friends and texting is probably the only way then
 
Well, I can power through it, but it just looks incredibly awkward. 😀
 
How are you so sure that finding a woman will make you a happier man?
 
How are you so sure that finding a woman will make you a happier man?

I can't say. I mean, honestly it's just knowing that I feel incredibly lonely right now (sorry if that sounds too pathetic). I get what you're saying. For example, let's say I went out and found some woman who made me miserable. Then, yeah, I'd look back and say "wow, what was I thinking?" But it's tough for me to say because I've never even really had a girlfriend. I can't guarantee that it would make me happier, if that's what you mean, but that doesn't mean I don't feel like I'd like to be with someone. Does that make sense?
 
Ruralsurg4now,

I would like to mention another avenue for you to meet young women who are more in your league (ie. professional,intellectual etc) which I don't believe was mentioned when I skimmed through this thread.

Are you involved with any charitable work? fundraisers? I don't know if this possibility exists in your area but there are a number of "young philanthropy" organizations that I have discovered which target young professionals. What are the benefits?

1) raising money for a good cause
2) networking with professionals from different walks of life (eg. lawyers, physicians, engineers, university professors, business people) and increasing your possibilities of meeting new friends or potential girlfriend material
3) usually tax deductible!

Don't participate in such events with the aim of meeting your soul mate or dating partners. Rather, be open minded to simply networking and meeting new friends. If you put yourself under too much stress to meet someone, it won't work in your favor.

Personally, this has been the most rewarding avenue for me. Good luck!
 
Ruralsurg4now,

I would like to mention another avenue for you to meet young women who are more in your league (ie. professional,intellectual etc) which I don't believe was mentioned when I skimmed through this thread.

Are you involved with any charitable work? fundraisers? I don't know if this possibility exists in your area but there are a number of "young philanthropy" organizations that I have discovered which target young professionals. What are the benefits?

1) raising money for a good cause
2) networking with professionals from different walks of life (eg. lawyers, physicians, engineers, university professors, business people) and increasing your possibilities of meeting new friends or potential girlfriend material
3) usually tax deductible!

Don't participate in such events with the aim of meeting your soul mate or dating partners. Rather, be open minded to simply networking and meeting new friends. If you put yourself under too much stress to meet someone, it won't work in your favor.

Personally, this has been the most rewarding avenue for me. Good luck!

That's good advice, but I wouldn't know where to begin. For example, I'm sure there's some local branch of something like Habitat for Humanity, but honestly I don't have time to put in extensively as a physician. How do you go about finding organizations?
 
That's good advice, but I wouldn't know where to begin. For example, I'm sure there's some local branch of something like Habitat for Humanity, but honestly I don't have time to put in extensively as a physician. How do you go about finding organizations?


See if there is a chapter of the Junior Chamber of Commerce (aka Jaycees) in your area! I'm almost convinced there's a junior league as well...
 
See if there is a chapter of the Junior Chamber of Commerce (aka Jaycees) in your area! I'm almost convinced there's a junior league as well...

There is a Junior League, but it says "dedicated to developing women as community and civic leaders." I don't think they want some dude coming in there. Right? :coldfeet:

I don't think there's a Junior Chamber of Commerce Club. I'm going to try to Google for "volunteering" in the area and see what I get.
 
Oh, sweet, there's a golden retriever rescue program. I'm all over that. 🙂

Urrrgh, they just want donations. Well, that and foster homes, which I can't do.
 
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That's good advice, but I wouldn't know where to begin. For example, I'm sure there's some local branch of something like Habitat for Humanity, but honestly I don't have time to put in extensively as a physician. How do you go about finding organizations?

I think you will have to check out organizations and events in the nearest largest city. I doubt that such things can be found in rural areas. Check out the local orchestra, opera company and museum philanthropic events. They usually have cocktails, vernissages and other events for fundraising. Also, there probably are a number of balls or banquets for various charities that fundraise for various illnesses (eg. cancer).
 
I can't say. I mean, honestly it's just knowing that I feel incredibly lonely right now (sorry if that sounds too pathetic). I get what you're saying. For example, let's say I went out and found some woman who made me miserable. Then, yeah, I'd look back and say "wow, what was I thinking?" But it's tough for me to say because I've never even really had a girlfriend. I can't guarantee that it would make me happier, if that's what you mean, but that doesn't mean I don't feel like I'd like to be with someone. Does that make sense?

I'm mostly playing Devils advocate... You might remember me from the bachelor thread...
 
I think you're probably also having a difficult time because you have very high expectations. From your responses, you require someone who is attractive, intelligent, financially independent, and also a "girl next door" (does this entail domestic aptitude, cooking and cleaning?!). You're focusing way too much on your checklist to actually take the time to get to know if you are compatible with someone. You're also not doing yourself any favors by hiding your occupation. How do you know that there aren't women who are overlooking your profile because they're also interested in getting to know someone who is highly educated and financially independent?

I honestly think online dating is still your best shot considering you've admitted you aren't strong in small talk or charisma, dislike most of your colleagues' suggestions, and have basically discounted your entire town for potential romantic interests. Sign up for a website where you actually have to pay a membership fee -- this will screen out a lot of the casual participants, look for a site that matches you based on your personality and values, and make an honest profile. You'll have a much wider pool to choose from since you are very selective, and if you connect strongly enough to someone, the distance may become negotiable.
 
I think you're probably also having a difficult time because you have very high expectations. From your responses, you require someone who is attractive, intelligent, financially independent, and also a "girl next door" (does this entail domestic aptitude, cooking and cleaning?!). You're focusing way too much on your checklist to actually take the time to get to know if you are compatible with someone. You're also not doing yourself any favors by hiding your occupation. How do you know that there aren't women who are overlooking your profile because they're also interested in getting to know someone who is highly educated and financially independent?

I honestly think online dating is still your best shot considering you've admitted you aren't strong in small talk or charisma, dislike most of your colleagues' suggestions, and have basically discounted your entire town for potential romantic interests. Sign up for a website where you actually have to pay a membership fee -- this will screen out a lot of the casual participants, look for a site that matches you based on your personality and values, and make an honest profile. You'll have a much wider pool to choose from since you are very selective, and if you connect strongly enough to someone, the distance may become negotiable.

No, "girl next door" refers more to her personality. I couldn't care less if she cooks or cleans. Nevertheless, I understand what you're saying about my having high expectations and that making it difficult. I think it's coming off that way because it's hard to explain things. For example, if I say "attractive," chances are that everyone immediately thinks "oh, he wants a Victoria's Secret model, no wonder he's SOL." But the girls I've been attracted to, while certainly pretty, aren't viewed by most guys as "hot." (In fact, in medical school, a lot of the women considered "hot" were ones that I was uninterested in, not that they were interested in me.) I never said I wanted someone financially independent -- and actually I've never mentioned money at all in this thread, since it's pretty irrelevant to me (I still drive a 15-year-old car despite the fact that I could go out and buy a new car with cash right now). Now, I wouldn't date someone who had money problems, such as someone who constantly maxes out their credit cards and is into just buying tons of stuff, but that's different.

As far as hiding my occupation, you're right. I mean, if some woman said to me "I'll tell you later if I have kids," I'd assume the worst. So I went back and put in that I was a surgeon and was pretty open about everything. However, I didn't get any interest. I've talked with some people and they say that online dating is a different beast, that my profile doesn't "pop out of the crowd." And that's true. I mean, I'm a responsible guy who has a good job and who is in good shape, but other than that, there's nothing special, which is what hurts me in real life too, I guess. I've actually decided to abandon online dating because I don't know if I'm doing it wrong or what. I at first only messaged women that I was attracted to, but the reality is they probably get dozens of messages a week and I never got any responses. So next, I messaged women even if I wasn't really attracted to them, so long as they were educated, and wrote that I was interested in meeting professionals in the area, whether they just wanted to hang out or perhaps date. Still nothing. So I said "look, this is getting ridiculous. I'm not going to next start messaging women I'm not attracted to who aren't educated, just so I can say that someone messaged me back." Clearly it doesn't work for me. So I'm focusing on good old fashioned real life.

I guess, coming back full circle to the OP, that's what is so frustrating to me. As I said, there's a belief that if you're a doctor you "have it made" in the dating world. I've even had attendings who are married say to me "what I wouldn't give to be in your shoes." And I never know what that means. I mean, let's face it, I know a lot of guys are of the "I'll hit anything that moves" mentality, so I can see someone like that doing quite well in my shoes. But other than that, I don't get it. I've said before, and had many people agree, that you don't go to bars or clubs to meet Ms. Right. (And women say the same thing, that they wouldn't go to a bar to meet Mr. Right.) But other than bars or clubs, the prevailing theory to meeting someone seems to be to literally just run into them somewhere, which is why people are having such a hard time telling me where to meet people. It's sort of like people saying "well, I met my girlfriend because we were both waiting for the bus one day" or "I met my boyfriend when I needed some help in a Best Buy." Well, that actually doesn't happen to me. I mean, I've heard people say "airports are a great place to meet people!" And while you may initially disagree, the person just says "sure, you're waiting for a plane to board and you see an attractive woman, just start talking to her." Now, again, that's sort of like most dating advice I run into: yeah, I get that, theoretically, but I don't get it, realistically. That's why I get frustrated with dating advice, to be honest. You can say "meet someone in the grocery store ...it's the easiest thing, just go up to a woman and start talking to her about whatever produce she's looking at." Again, theoretically, yes; realistically, no. I get how, in theory, you could even meet a woman in the feminine hygeine aisle, if you want to act like that. Someone might say "that's actually a perfect place to meet women! Just make a joke about the tampons she's holding!" I can't really argue with that, but I also can't really see it happening.
 
It sounds like you've received a fair amount of advice but nothing seems to work well for you. Maybe the problem isn't actually meeting women, but the small talk that comes after. If you're insecure, women can probably sense it. Take redhead's advice and practice your conversation skills. You probably just need to develop more confidence in yourself. Remember that dating is a two-way street -- think about the qualities that would make you a worthy significant other and what you can offer in a relationship. Don't expect an immediate change in your outcomes. It takes time to connect with someone, so be patient and don't get discouraged. You also can't expect a new relationship to drastically improve your quality of life. That is too much to put on someone else, and it's unfair. Focusing on improving yourself and establishing a better network of friends in your new town will make you happier, less lonely, and perhaps better prepared to commit to a romantic relationship. Good luck!
 
It sounds like you've received a fair amount of advice but nothing seems to work well for you. Maybe the problem isn't actually meeting women, but the small talk that comes after. If you're insecure, women can probably sense it. Take redhead's advice and practice your conversation skills. You probably just need to develop more confidence in yourself. Remember that dating is a two-way street -- think about the qualities that would make you a worthy significant other and what you can offer in a relationship. Don't expect an immediate change in your outcomes. It takes time to connect with someone, so be patient and don't get discouraged. You also can't expect a new relationship to drastically improve your quality of life. That is too much to put on someone else, and it's unfair. Focusing on improving yourself and establishing a better network of friends in your new town will make you happier, less lonely, and perhaps better prepared to commit to a romantic relationship. Good luck!

I definitely have difficulty with small talk, there's no question. That's because I'm too practical about it. Like, I can't say to someone "how about this weather?" because then I feel like an idiot. Someone just recently told me that my problem is that I'm phrasing things wrong. So, instead of saying "how about this weather?", say something like "wow, it sure is tough to go running in this heat" because that leads the conversation somewhere. And they're right. I've never done that before, so it's something I'm working on. But beyond that, as I said, I really don't see myself doing the whole "pick up artist" thing where you just go to a mall or something and just approach women randomly. For me, it's always had to be, for example, a girl in my class or someone I see regularly. That's what is the most frustrating thing to me right now, since that doesn't happen anymore, other than at work.
 
Ruralsurg4now: I feel your pain! All you have described are EXACTLY what have happened to me! I am also not good at small talk (what is worse is that English is not my first language), I am lean, healthy, look much younger than my real age, did not put effort in finding a girlfriend before residency, looking for well educated girl who is younger than me for serious relationship, do not live in the city, not into bars or clubs (just too noisy), no luck with online dating, tried meetup group where people are still into bars and clubs, don't believe in random pickup, don't want to fake being religious and even also asked out a nurse who turned me down because she has a fiancé.
Thank you for sharing your story here! I thought it was because of my foreigness, now it seems that its not only you and me, probably there are many other people who have the same problem.
However, I think it might be fine for you to talk to strangers in public places (like malls or grocery stores) in rural area, because other people may also be lonely and want to chat. But in cities they may stay away from you due to safety concern.
In addition, you can try asking out girls that you DON'T LIKE as well as the ones you like. Because a one on one occasion may give you more time to know each other better, and in the future she may introduce you to someone that suit you. Also you will be able to know how/what to talk with a girl by having more platonic girl friends. For the same reason, you can go to bars and clubs to make platonic friends (instead of aiming for relationship which will disappoint you). You will need to have a "pyramid" of girls before finding the Mrs. Right. At the bottom of the pyramid, it's a lot a platonic friends. Once you build a solid base, then you can start to construct the second layer of casual dating, where there are quite a few girls, and finally complete the top of the pyramid by finding your soul mate. Without a big foundation, it is hard to reach the top directly from ground level.
From your posts, I feel that you are a serious person. When you message someone in those online dating sites, keep the topic light and funny, don't take yourself seriously and don't take her seriously. I did get replies after sending out these type of messages. I believe that most girls like nice, smart and well educated guy deep in their mind. But many of these "husband material" do not have much luck with dating because they take things too seriously at the beginning, which makes the conversation boring. So the marketing strategy for guys is "talk more and talk funny" so girls will like your personality and feel you are more approachable, then serious topics/conversations kick in to impress her with your wisdom.
That's just my thought, I would also like to hear other people's opinion
 
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In addition, you can try asking out girls that you DON'T LIKE as well as the ones you like.

Yeah, everyone says that, but I really have a tough time wrapping my head around that one. That's why I can't stand "pick up artist" mentality (which I know you're not advocating), because it's "ask out anyone, anywhere, and then brag about how many numbers you got, even though you're not attracted to anyone." I think I'm just not hard-wired for that.
 
Yeah, everyone says that, but I really have a tough time wrapping my head around that one. That's why I can't stand "pick up artist" mentality (which I know you're not advocating), because it's "ask out anyone, anywhere, and then brag about how many numbers you got, even though you're not attracted to anyone." I think I'm just not hard-wired for that.

Yep, it's bizarre. Some guys are just attracted to anything with a vagina. She can be fake, plastic, ugly, stupid, nasty, disgusting, etc. - as long as it's female, they're all for it.

Other guys are a bit more picky. They're actually thinking of where things might go in the long term.
 
Yeah, everyone says that, but I really have a tough time wrapping my head around that one. That's why I can't stand "pick up artist" mentality (which I know you're not advocating), because it's "ask out anyone, anywhere, and then brag about how many numbers you got, even though you're not attracted to anyone." I think I'm just not hard-wired for that.
If everyone says that, there must be a reason for that. No one's brain is wired in that way. Given your location disadvantage, you will have to be more flexible. "asking out" does not mean that you must be romantically interested in her, it is not equal to "date". Even if the girl misinterprets your intention, most of the times she will be flattered instead of being annoyed.
 
If everyone says that, there must be a reason for that. No one's brain is wired in that way. Given your location disadvantage, you will have to be more flexible. "asking out" does not mean that you must be romantically interested in her, it is not equal to "date". Even if the girl misinterprets your intention, most of the times she will be flattered instead of being annoyed.

But, for example, the women in the city where I work are, as I said, the "white trash" type, where they're either pretty good looking jailbait (with no future, likely) or they're old and obese with kids. I can't see that as a compromise. I just finished doing a race in the nearby college town and there were lots of attractive women ...but they were all with guys. It's sort of the same thing, where people basically pair off very early, leaving me SOL. Now, theoretically, those guys could just be friends, but it's not like I'm going to approach them to find out.
 
Speaking as a girl, if a guy invited me in a one-on-one situation when he wasn't actually interested in me and was using me in order to potentially meet women he actually wanted to date later on, I can assure you I would be annoyed. There is nothing wrong with adding women to your social circle in group activities, but asking asking out women (especially women on dating sites) who you aren't actually inerested in is called leading people on.

If everyone says that, there must be a reason for that. No one's brain is wired in that way. Given your location disadvantage, you will have to be more flexible. "asking out" does not mean that you must be romantically interested in her, it is not equal to "date". Even if the girl misinterprets your intention, most of the times she will be flattered instead of being annoyed.
 
Speaking as a girl, if a guy invited me in a one-on-one situation when he wasn't actually interested in me and was using me in order to potentially meet women he actually wanted to date later on, I can assure you I would be annoyed. There is nothing wrong with adding women to your social circle in group activities, but asking asking out women (especially women on dating sites) who you aren't actually inerested in is called leading people on.

There was one girl on a dating website who was actually pretty attractive (but not my type). As I was clicking through her pictures, though, I saw one where she was with this other girl and I was like "HOLY S**T, WHO IS THAT??" I was thinking, "is there some way I can tactfully say 'hey, I'm not attracted to you, but your friend is hoooooot!'?" I decided the answer was no, lol.
 
There was one girl on a dating website who was actually pretty attractive (but not my type). As I was clicking through her pictures, though, I saw one where she was with this other girl and I was like "HOLY S**T, WHO IS THAT??" I was thinking, "is there some way I can tactfully say 'hey, I'm not attracted to you, but your friend is hoooooot!'?" I decided the answer was no, lol.

PICS or it didn't happen. And you can do this with screen capture and post on chat. :0
 
Lol. something tells me you want to see what I consider to be hot. 🙂
 
There was one girl on a dating website who was actually pretty attractive (but not my type). As I was clicking through her pictures, though, I saw one where she was with this other girl and I was like "HOLY S**T, WHO IS THAT??" I was thinking, "is there some way I can tactfully say 'hey, I'm not attracted to you, but your friend is hoooooot!'?" I decided the answer was no, lol.

And THIS is why you should never post group pictures on an online dating profile.

This advice is for dudes too.
Tinder is full of group pictures of dudes: so annoying.
 
And THIS is why you should never post group pictures on an online dating profile.

This advice is for dudes too.
Tinder is full of group pictures of dudes: so annoying.

What's worse, though? A group photo or the old "there's a disembodied man's arm around my shoulders, but pretend you don't see it"?
 
What's worse, though? A group photo or the old "there's a disembodied man's arm around my shoulders, but pretend you don't see it"?

I don't worry about that so much. Everyone had a picture with an ex/brother/cousin/friend.

Unless they're making out that doesn't bother me.
 
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