USMLE USMLE - Official 2016 Step 2 CK Experiences and Scores Thread

This forum made possible through the generous support of SDN members, donors, and sponsors. Thank you.

Trogdor_The_Burninator

Full Member
7+ Year Member
Joined
Nov 3, 2015
Messages
27
Reaction score
52
Hello everyone!

With 2016 around the corner, I thought it would be a good time to start this thread and continue the 2015 thread into the new year!

Similar threads from the past have been extremely helpful to me (and I'm sure) and many others.

Good luck to everyone taking Step 2 CK in 2016!
 
I just postponed my exam from Aug 23 to Aug 31. MY step 1 score was not too hot...it was 216. I'm trying to get into internal medicine. I just recently finished my 3rd year rotations on Jul 29. So really didn't have all that time to just study for step 2 CK. My rotations were pretty busy and involved. Couldn't really do much studying...I'm sweating right now. But can't really push my date any further than this because of the dreaded opening date of Sept 15.
 
What are CMS questions?
I only know about uwsa and nbme. I didn't know that this existed.
Hi "Genie",
They are the NBMEs self-assessments for clinical sciences. There are 4 for each of the 6 subjects = 24 forms = 1200 extra Qs. Some use them for their shelves, others for USMLE. I am an IMG, and I found them quite helpful for USMLE (as seen a few posts above). If you want to do them, but are running short on time, you can either prioritize or do forms 3+4 for all subjects.
http://www.nbme.org/students/sas/MasterySeries.html
Good luck!
 
Last edited:
I would do both, but if you absolutely have to choose, probably do UWSA as there is consensus that it is a stronger predictor of your final score - if that is what you want. For me, they were both good score predictors, and I am not the only one for whom NBME-7 worked. If you go 1-2 years back, then NBME-7 more consistently underestimated, but it has been re-calibrated since then, and also, most Qs can now be answered based on UWorld. That is how it always works with NBMEs.

The "problem" with UWSA is that it is very heavy on internal medicine, and if you think that step 2 CK will be the same, you will probably be surprised at the amount of behavioral and (difficult) OBGYN stuff encountered. On the other hand NBME-7 may have some very odd questions, but the balance, at least in my opinion, is somewhat closer to what you encounter on the real deal - both subjectwise, but also in terms of "WTF-ness" - and honestly, step 2 CK felt more like NBME-7 than UWSA. The funny thing is, that the curve for UWSA and NBME-7 is about the same. Both give you 265 for 90%, but NBME-7 is still perceived as being harder than UWSA. On the other hand, you need as much as 95% on NBME-6 to get a 271. 5% for 6 points, i.e., an awful curve - but it just has a lot of familiar questions and thus both feels easy and overestimates...

Copenhagen, would you say that Uworld prepares for the "hard" OB/GYN and Psych questions on the real deal?
 
Copenhagen, would you say that Uworld prepares for the "hard" OB/GYN and Psych questions on the real deal?
Hi SweetSyndrome!
Well, as I wrote previously, I can mostly speak for myself as people encounter different questions, different percentages per subjects, different levels of difficulty.

That being said, I think that UWorld prepares you relatively well for psychiatry, but you need to look carefully into the subtle differences between "overlapping" conditions. If you throw in a few (2 should be enough) CMS forms, you will get used to that vagueness encountered during step 2 CK, and you will also see how some stems blend in > 1 condition - with you having to decide which came first / which could lead to the other. Conclusion: Theoretically, UWorld is enough, but CMS are important because they are a lot like the real questions, whereas the stems on UWorld are overall more straightforward.

EDIT: I should note that for psychiatry especially, it is a good idea to cover the answer choices and decide for yourself before looking at them. This is because - for some reason - a lot of wrong terminology is used, with diagnoses blended into each other - and if you are not focused, some of these choices may look very reasonable.

OBGYN was difficult. I have heard that most people feel unprepared for this going in, but alright coming out. It was the exact opposite for me. I thought I was going to smash OBGYN, but it ended up being my only "low to borderline performance". I knew everything from MTB2 and UWorld, I had done all 200 CMS Qs, and I had even read summaries (and sometimes more details) for most conditions on UpToDate and in my own notes (approx. 300 pages size 12 Times New Roman) from medical school. It just felt like there were a lot of Qs where they gave way too little information for me to decide what the most likely diagnosis was. Yes, the management Qs were relatively doable, and you could do well on most of these with UWorld only - I maybe had 1-2 twisted in a way that made it impossible for me to decide whether to be "passive" or "active", based on my knowledge from guidelines, etc. But my God, the diagnosis Qs were tough! I have heard that some people like to use UWise for OBGYN. I did about 200 of their Qs before I had to start prednisone Rx last Summer, so I honestly cannot remember whether the Qs were more similar to the real deal than those on UWorld, and I never had the chance to go through the explanations back then. I just quickly browsed through some of them before writing this, and it seems that the Qs are a bit more difficult than on UWorld, whereas the explanations are shorter. However, I have a hard time seeing how I could have prepared better for this - the random testing items just weren't in my favor that day. Conclusion: UWorld gives you most of the background information and algorithms, but be mentally prepared for super vague diagnostic Qs. Add in a couple of CMS forms. They will help you realize how vague the Qs may be.
 
Last edited:
This is probably the most thoughtful, thorough, and helpful advice I've ever received on SDN, and I really, really appreciate it 🙂. I'll definitely be pushing the test date back, I just have to decide on either an extra 2 or extra 4 weeks, during an outpatient rotation.

Any advice/opinions on scheduling, in terms of when residencies would see my score? I'm guessing if I take it by early September, they would probably get it with my MSPE, and by late September they'd only see it if they're already inviting me to interview. My step 1 was ~215, so maybe it's best to take Step 2 earlier to prove I can pass it, or alternatively take it a bit later and show I can actually do well on it (healthy optimism lol).
Thank you for the kind words, happy to help!
With respect to your last question, I am sure that some AMGs (or just people who are closer to applying than myself) will be able to help you better, but personally, I would rather wait a couple of weeks to improve the score. Your step 1 score is not that bad, you still have plenty of programs that you can apply to, and even when taking into account the standard error of the test score, you are 1 SD above the passing score. In other words, you did not barely pass the exam and thus do not need to prove that you can pass step 2. Tactically, it may be better to show them that you can actually get a good score on step 2, because the residency directors will feel that you are able to grow and retain information. But those are just my 2 cents.
 
Hey Guys,
I have a question for everyone. I took my Step 2 CK about 1 week ago and found it very difficult as everyone else has stated. I definitely had a timing issue. My question is, on the NBME website on the Step 2CK box I have a "Print Permit" link and also a "Confirm or Reschedule Exam" link. Does everyone waiting on their score have both of these links? I just want to make sure that others have the "confirm or reschedule exam" link. Thanks for any help!
 
I just postponed my exam from Aug 23 to Aug 31. MY step 1 score was not too hot...it was 216. I'm trying to get into internal medicine. I just recently finished my 3rd year rotations on Jul 29. So really didn't have all that time to just study for step 2 CK. My rotations were pretty busy and involved. Couldn't really do much studying...I'm sweating right now. But can't really push my date any further than this because of the dreaded opening date of Sept 15.

3 weeks is already more than most people take for step 2.... I think this forum isn't really representative of real life. I see people on here taking 6 weeks which is crazy. Most of my friends have done 10-14 days for step 2 prep.

old saying 2 months 2 weeks #2 pencil....
 
3 weeks is already more than most people take for step 2.... I think this forum isn't really representative of real life. I see people on here taking 6 weeks which is crazy. Most of my friends have done 10-14 days for step 2 prep.

old saying 2 months 2 weeks #2 pencil....
I started studying in january for step 2. Started taking NBME's ect aboout 1.5 months out. Different strokes and all.
 
3 weeks is already more than most people take for step 2.... I think this forum isn't really representative of real life. I see people on here taking 6 weeks which is crazy. Most of my friends have done 10-14 days for step 2 prep.

old saying 2 months 2 weeks #2 pencil....


That's good to hear. I thought I was the only one here...with only that much time. Everyone here seems to have a lot of time on their hands.
 
It all depends on how much you were able to study during 3rd year rotations. The hospital I was at was brutal. Had to be there for long hours, including most weekends. Also, most residents and attendings would get annoyed if they saw you on your iphone, so you couldn't even do qbank. That's why I'm now forced to take some time off from rotations to study.
 
Just took NBME 7, it was awful! Scored 10 points lower than my previous NBME which was number 4. Just wondering how predictive it is
 
Congratulations. What did you do after uwsa to bump up to get 259?
I focused more on the subjects I scored low on. I was initially trying to use multiple sources to study. But after the SA and resetting UW, I stuck with MTB2/3 along with the videos. I feel they cover the majority of the cases and what isn't there is well covered in UW. Personally, I feel doing UW by subject is more helpful as it covers the same topic multiple ways which helped solidify the information for me.
 
How prepared do most people feel when they are about to take the exam. Uworld (1st pass) is taking forever for me to finish and my exam is in a little over a week. I'm planning on reviewing my uworld notes and MTB after finishing. Do you think this is enough to get an above average (but not out of the planet stellar) score?
 
Not sure if anyone knows the answer to this, but I just took the UWSA and the average overall percent correct is ~68%. I got a 78% but that corresponds to a 242... So I'm just curious why the average 3 digit score is lower on the uwsa than the real CK (which has a 240 average)? Thank you!
 
Let me tell you something. I once had an ex who cheated on me with a senior resident and became pregnant from that ONS. I felt worse after step 2 CK.
This test is meant to destroy you mentally and physically, and you will be shaken for a long time. Even after you get your scores, there is going to be some residual fatigue. I wish I could say "just focus on something else and wait for your scores", but that seems to be an impossible task. However, bombing the test with practice scores like yours is something that we have only very rarely seen on this board - and by bombing, I mean getting a 10-20+ lower score than your practice tests. Trust your prep. Trust your caffeine. And chocolate is just awesome. I counted > 80 Qs that confused me and by looking them up I knew that I had at least 25 of them completely wrong. A similar no. of very simple gimmes to what you are stating. This happens to all of us. But odds are, it won't affect your score compared to your practice tests.

Thank you for the awesome and encouraging feedback. It really made me feel better, especially seeing how well you did! A week later and I still feel like death and I keep remembering questions... and looking them up to realize I chose incorrectly. *sigh* such is life. It's just a waiting game now!
 
Since the question of the reliability of self-assessments keeps popping op all the time, here is a breakdown of the last 127 test takers (2015-2016) who have reported their exact step 2 CK score as well as the exact score from at least one self-assessment. I have not included FRED or UWorld percentage as these would be nonsense.

Do not put too much into the median scores per se either, SDN scores are heavily biased - both selection bias and reporting bias. Not only are test takers with good scores much more likely to report, so are those who improved significantly from their self-assessments. In addition, remember that UWSA is most often the practice test taken closest to the real deal - and that its prediction ability for 265+ scorers should become even better, now that you can score more than 265.

Although I did stratify for NBMEs taken before and after the re-calibration in October 2015, there was no significant difference in the predictive value of NBME7 per se, but the adjusted curve has lowered the numerical difference between NBME7 and Step 2 CK scores (please see below NBME7). Also keep in mind that due to its reputation, many have taken NBME7 early during preparation.

Step 2 CK (n = 127):
Median (IQR): 256 (248-264)

UWSA (n =106):
Median (IQR): 255 (242-262)
Median difference (Step 2 CK minus UWSA) (IQR): 4 (-1 to 11)
Step 2 CK score > 265: 8 (4 to 12)
Step 2 CK score =/< 265: 2 (-2 to 11)
P-value for difference (Mann-Whitney U test): p = 0.004
Coefficient of variation: 5.0%
Spearman correlation with Step 2 CK: 0.672 (p < 0.0001)

NBME7 (n=73):
Median (IQR): 240 (229-254)
Median difference (Step 2 CK minus NBME7) (IQR): 13 (6 to 23)
Pre-calibration: 15 (7 to 24)
Post-calibration: 11 (0 to 21)
P-value for difference (Mann-Whitney U test): p = 0.07
Coefficient of variation: 7.5%
Spearman correlation with Step 2 CK: 0.743 (p < 0.0001)

NBME6 (n=74):
Median (IQR): 252 (240-264)
Median difference (Step 2 CK minus NBME6) (IQR): 5 (-4 to 15)
Coefficient of variation: 7.5%
Spearman correlation with Step 2 CK: 0.717 (p < 0.0001)

NBME4 (n=73):
Median (IQR): 246 (234-260)
Median difference (Step 2 CK minus NBME4) (IQR): 11 (2 to 22)
Coefficient of variation: 7.9%
Spearman correlation with Step 2 CK: 0.654 (p < 0.0001)
 

Attachments

  • NBME4.jpg
    NBME4.jpg
    44.3 KB · Views: 199
  • NBME6.jpg
    NBME6.jpg
    43.3 KB · Views: 184
  • NBME7.jpg
    NBME7.jpg
    45.2 KB · Views: 206
  • UWSA.jpg
    UWSA.jpg
    48.2 KB · Views: 210
Last edited:
I'm gonna add you to my lifeline options under phone a friend when i run into Biostatistics questions on my Ck exam ... Make sure you stay near your cell phone on Aug 22 Copenhagen .. lol
LOL, I'll be ready! Added in a few more details for UWSA and NBME7.
 
Just took NBME 7, it was awful! Scored 10 points lower than my previous NBME which was number 4. Just wondering how predictive it is
I've heard from my school that NBME 7 is underpredicting a lot, and freaking people out. They've started telling us to not even take it. To stick with 6 as the main predictor, and 4 for extra practice.

Not sure if anyone knows the answer to this, but I just took the UWSA and the average overall percent correct is ~68%. I got a 78% but that corresponds to a 242... So I'm just curious why the average 3 digit score is lower on the uwsa than the real CK (which has a 240 average)? Thank you!
Different people take it at different times in their study period, some people are more nervous on the real thing, some people come prepared for the real thing, not everyone takes the UWSA. Basically lots of confounders.
 
I've heard from my school that NBME 7 is underpredicting a lot, and freaking people out. They've started telling us to not even take it. To stick with 6 as the main predictor, and 4 for extra practice.


Different people take it at different times in their study period, some people are more nervous on the real thing, some people come prepared for the real thing, not everyone takes the UWSA. Basically lots of confounders.
NBME7 is by far the test that resembles the real deal the most, so I would definitely recommend taken it late during the course of study. Simply to better know what to expect in terms of style.
+1 regarding UWSA. In addition, in terms of % of Qs correct corresponding to score, UWSA is perceived as being relatively close to step 2 CK, unlike NBME4 and 6.
 
Last edited:
NBME7 is by far the test that resembles the real deal the most, so I would definitely recommend taken it late during the course of study. Simply to better know what to expect in terms of style.
+1 regarding UWSA. In addition, in terms of % of Qs correct corresponding to score, UWSA is perceived as being relatively close to step 2 CK, unlike NBME4 and 6.

If it most closely resembles the test, wouldn't it be better to take it sooner rather than later. That way you can better adjust your studying? Maybe take it two weeks out and take another NBME 1 week out?

On another note, I took NBME 6 a few days ago and got a 233. Took UWSA yesterday and got a 239. I take CK in one week, and I'm continuing to go through UW questions and notes. I should be good for at least a 230 on the exam right? Assuming all goes well.
 
If it most closely resembles the test, wouldn't it be better to take it sooner rather than later. That way you can better adjust your studying? Maybe take it two weeks out and take another NBME 1 week out?

On another note, I took NBME 6 a few days ago and got a 233. Took UWSA yesterday and got a 239. I take CK in one week, and I'm continuing to go through UW questions and notes. I should be good for at least a 230 on the exam right? Assuming all goes well.
The NBME7 does not give you ideas as how to focus your study, just tells you how the questions will look. This is similar to what a lot of us experience when coming out after step 2 CK. "The questions were messed up, tricky, vague, etc., but the material was familiar - I don't know how I could have prepared differently, etc.". Keeping that in mind, I would much rather do the NBME7 late during my course of study, because I will then go in expecting these type of questions more, with a generous curve. If you do NBME4 or NBME6 later, you will get a false sense of security - that the exam has rather straightforward questions (with a horrible curve). Knowing what to expect will help you keep calm during the real deal. Although I did have my post-exam freakout like everyone else, I was rather calm during the test and even found myself smiling when some of those weird questions popped up. I kept telling myself that it was okay not to be able to answer them all, because NBME7 was like that. But, each to his/her own, it's all about personal preference.

Yes, I would even aim for 240 if I were you. Just go over your weaker areas and build that stamina.
 
Last edited:
Ok guys.. I feel now a little better, not completely recovered though, I'll post my experience.

I'm an IMG and did my step 1 5 years ago during med school, when I managed to have 2 months of dedicated study and got in the end 245. I had a good time, it was fun to study for this exam, and it was important to consolidate my medical knowledge.
Not sure why I decided to do my step 2 given that non US IMGs seem not to be much appreciated these days... I dream of getting a fellowship in my area of interest and I'm willing to work for that goal, I'm not going for the match. My advice for non-us IMGs is: think well before spending thousands of dollars with this and months of study, because it may all be in vain. 60% of you will do it for nothing. Before it was easy for nonUS IMGs to get positions, not anymore. There are US IMGs that fill the places, not you anymore. And I think it should be like that.

Now, as a resident I didn't have much time to study for this one, and I always heard that it is "easier" than step 1. So I used only UW, in 3 weeks I was able to complete almost all of it (with the exception of 300 qs).
In my first few blocks I was getting about 57%...then rapidly increased for 65s...In my last 15 blocks I was scoring between 70-80 and got 3 or 4 88s and 1 or 2 68s. 72th percentile overall.
I felt a bit defeated before doing the exam because I thought I could finish all UW. I don't like to perform without being prepared but in my mind I kept telling me "this will be easy".

It wasn't.

Some people say it is easier, others say that it is a terrible nightmare. For me, the UW questions were really easy and repetitive. Let me say to you that UW for step 2 has not the same quality of its predecessor. Too many similar questions and explanations, you end up reading the same things all over again, preventing you from learning TONS, I mean literally, TONS of subjects that will be asked and you never heard about (or maybe you did in med school, or on the wards, or if you like to go to uptodate when you are in the bathroom which is my case). I used uptodate a lot for this exam, and I think it helps you to answer many questions.


I left step 1 exam saying "either this is too easy or I'm too smart". Well, for this one I say "either I'm too dumb, or the exam is really difficult", and I think these feelings are in tight correlation with the fact that UW for step 1 is one step further than the actual exam. It is harder and better done than the actual exam, so when you arrive the exam you feel you are doing a elementary class test. This was my experience.

Well, for step 2 I started with confidence, but the first 10 qs were asking things that I never heard about with patients presenting symptoms that were unrelated. Tons of comorbidities, polimedications, every single detail of a disease is asked and you must know it all because they will put you in the options treatment regimens that are very similar, many drugs from the same class (not like in UW questions), so you must know the specific treatment for that disease. Don't read it passively like I did thinking the exam would be similar to UW.

You must know every single exam to ask to diagnose diseases. I cannot give you examples of course, but they put things in a way I didn't expect, because UW didn't provide me the correct training to answer it. So these first 10 qs of the first block were dramatic, and they put me down for the rest of the block and also the next block. These first 2 blocks if I was sure about 10 qs in each block it would be good. I gave too much answers without being sure of it. I think 60% of the questions I answered I was unsure. The next 2 blocks were better and the last 4 I can say that 50% of the qs were at UW level.

I'd read the questions and be exhausted only from reading them. My mind was flying during the exam, I was not concentrated and I was overwhelmed. I'd arrive at question 30 and have only 10 minutes left, making the last 10 questions a nightmare where I had to think read fast, think fast and answer faster. In the end I think I only answered about 2 questions without reading the stem. In the ones that I was sure about the diagnosis or about what option to select even before looking at it they'd ask a completely different thing I was thinking.

My keypoints are:

-don't be defeated by the first questions or blocks, it will get better eventually.
-manage your time. I'm foreign so maybe I take more time to read it, but I doubt it is easy to read all that question stems without being tired in the end of each block, even for native speakers. Many of the questions will require you to interpret the english language, and not medicine
-don't use only UW. I hope to be wrong and get a high score after studying only UW (even though I felt I failed). But if you want to ace this test you should use uptodate, maybe other question banks. Use uptodate!!!! Read the summaries and you'll be fine. The books that cover the subjects of this exam seem to be terrible (mtb, step up, FA, secrets)
-don't go there thinking it is easy.
-PRACTICE NBMES!! Maybe if had done this in the middle of my study I would have a better idea of what was expecting me. I don't know the NBMES but I suppose at least 1 of them is similar to the test
-The questions are difficult for everyone guys so if you find them difficult then 99.9% of the people will feel the same about it.

Okay guys sorry for my english, I just can't speak foreign languages when I'm tired and I hope to be here in 3 weeks telling you that I was having a "poststep 2 partum depression" and brag about my score like a good SDN folk should do!
 
Last edited:
Ok guys.. I feel now a little better, not completely recovered though, I'll post my experience.

I'm an IMG and did my step 1 5 years ago during med school, when I managed to have 2 months of dedicated study and got in the end 245. I had a good time, it was fun to study for this exam, and it was important to consolidate my medical knowledge.
Not sure why I decided to do my step 2 given that non US IMGs seem not to be much appreciated these days... I dream of getting a fellowship in my area of interest and I'm willing to work for that goal, I'm not going for the match. My advice for non-us IMGs is: think well before spending thousands of dollars with this and months of study, because it may all be in vain. 60% of you will do it for nothing. Before it was easy for nonUS IMGs to get positions, not anymore. There are US IMGs that fill the places, not you anymore. And I think it should be like that.

Now, as a resident I didn't have much time to study for this one, and I always heard that it is "easier" than step 1. So I used only UW, in 3 weeks I was able to complete almost all of it (with the exception of 300 qs).
In my first few blocks I was getting about 57%...then rapidly increased for 65s...In my last 15 blocks I was scoring between 70-80 and got 3 or 4 88s and 1 or 2 68s. 72th percentile overall.
I felt a bit defeated before doing the exam because I thought I could finish all UW. I don't like to perform without being prepared but in my mind I kept telling me "this will be easy".

It wasn't.

Some people say it is easier, others say that it is a terrible nightmare. For me, the UW questions were really easy and repetitive. Let me say to you that UW for step 2 has not the same quality of its predecessor. Too many similar questions and explanations, you end up reading the same things all over again, preventing you from learning TONS, I mean literally, TONS of subjects that will be asked and you never heard about (or maybe you did in med school, or on the wards, or if you like to go to uptodate when you are in the bathroom which is my case). I used uptodate a lot for this exam, and I think it helps you to answer many questions.


I left step 1 exam saying "either this is too easy or I'm too smart". Well, for this one I say "either I'm too dumb, or the exam is really difficult", and I think these feelings are in tight correlation with the fact that UW for step 1 is one step further than the actual exam. It is harder and better done than the actual exam, so when you arrive the exam you feel you are doing a elementary class test. This was my experience.

Well, for step 2 I started with confidence, but the first 10 qs were asking things that I never heard about with patients presenting symptoms that were unrelated. Tons of comorbidities, polimedications, every single detail of a disease is asked and you must know it all because they will put you in the options treatment regimens that are very similar, many drugs from the same class (not like in UW questions), so you must know the specific treatment for that disease. Don't read it passively like I did thinking the exam would be similar to UW.

You must know every single exam to ask to diagnose diseases. I cannot give you examples of course, but they put things in a way I didn't expect, because UW didn't provide me the correct training to answer it. So these first 10 qs of the first block were dramatic, and they put me down for the rest of the block and also the next block. These first 2 blocks if I was sure about 10 qs in each block it would be good. I gave too much answers without being sure of it. I think 60% of the questions I answered I was unsure. The next 2 blocks were better and the last 4 I can say that 50% of the qs were at UW level.

I'd read the questions and be exhausted only from reading them. My mind was flying during the exam, I was not concentrated and I was overwhelmed. I'd arrive at question 30 and have only 10 minutes left, making the last 10 questions a nightmare where I had to think read fast, think fast and answer faster. In the end I think I only answered about 2 questions without reading the stem. In the ones that I was sure about the diagnosis or about what option to select even before looking at it they'd ask a completely different thing I was thinking.

My keypoints are:

-don't be defeated by the first questions or blocks, it will get better eventually.
-manage your time. I'm foreign so maybe I take more time to read it, but I doubt it is easy to read all that question stems without being tired in the end of each block, even for native speakers. Many of the questions will require you to interpret the english language, and not medicine
-don't use only UW. I hope to be wrong and get a high score after studying only UW (even though I felt I failed). But if you want to ace this test you should use uptodate, maybe other question banks. Use uptodate!!!! Read the summaries and you'll be fine. The books that cover the subjects of this exam seem to be terrible (mtb, step up, FA, secrets)
-don't go there thinking it is easy.
-PRACTICE NBMES!! Maybe if had done this in the middle of my study I would have a better idea of what was expecting me. I don't know the NBMES but I suppose at least 1 of them is similar to the test
-The questions are difficult for everyone guys so if you find them difficult then 99.9% of the people will feel the same about it.

Okay guys sorry for my english, I just can't speak foreign languages when I'm tired and I hope to be here in 3 weeks telling you that I was having a "poststep 2 partum depression" and brag about my score like a good SDN folk should do!
Regarding your starting comment about IMG and US residency, you are right about the increasing difficulty, thats why you need to pass all your exams in 1st attempt with above average scores and tons of LORs and USCE.but i guess every IMG starting this journey probably have thought it well.

and regarding your experience with the exam.almost everyone feels the same about exam,regardless of the final result.since you took no practice tests, it is difficult to gauze your preparation level.the questions and options are vague,timing is an issue.you can put your mind at rest knowing that those who score 220s or 240s or 270s feel the same post exam.a common feeling that you should let go.
 
I have done uwsa1 before I started to study and took 236. Anything higher than my step 1 score would be good but i feel that I failed so anything above the passing score is good to me now, at least i avoid the shame
 
Guys need some advice. Took Nbme 7 2 weeks back, 244. Today UWSA 251, exam next wednesday. I just did one round of Uworld no mtb, kaplan or FA. What should I do now? I can try going through marked uworld questions though I'm not sure I will be able to do all of them or I can try watching online meded or kaplan videos of my weak areas(mostly ob/gyn and paeds) or quick mtb read? Thank you.
 
Regarding your starting comment about IMG and US residency, you are right about the increasing difficulty, thats why you need to pass all your exams in 1st attempt with above average scores and tons of LORs and USCE.but i guess every IMG starting this journey probably have thought it well.

and regarding your experience with the exam.almost everyone feels the same about exam,regardless of the final result.since you took no practice tests, it is difficult to gauze your preparation level.the questions and options are vague,timing is an issue.you can put your mind at rest knowing that those who score 220s or 240s or 270s feel the same post exam.a common feeling that you should let go.

indeed...if an IMG has greater than 250 in both steps and 3-4 US-LORS the probability of matching in IM is >90%...if > double 260 the probability is close to 100% ..only 2-3 imgs remain unmatched after double 260...and in most such cases they have flunked cs or have some other red flag...the over all match rate is 50% for imgs because a ton of applicants have scores below US MDs ...why would any program take below average imgs ,unless they have something to make up for the lower scores...
 
Guys need some advice. Took Nbme 7 2 weeks back, 244. Today UWSA 251, exam next wednesday. I just did one round of Uworld no mtb, kaplan or FA. What should I do now? I can try going through marked uworld questions though I'm not sure I will be able to do all of them or I can try watching online meded or kaplan videos of my weak areas(mostly ob/gyn and paeds) or quick mtb read? Thank you.
same condition here with 2 weeks delay! I think revising UW Charts are also reasonable. please keep updating your situation! keep going, 250+ (at least) is completely doable in this case. good luck!
 
Has anyone who took the exam after July 10th received their scores? I took the exam last Saturday, was wondering whether I should anticipate my scores on Sept 14th or the typical 3rd/4th Wednesday after test date.
 
Hey guys,

Would love to get some advice. I'm 8 days out from my Step 2 CK. US student. Did average or slightly above average on most shelf exams. I just finished UW on Tutor and got 65%, I took an NBME months ago and got a 220 if I remember correctly (I ended up delaying my exam due to it).

I plan to heavily focus on OBGYN and Peds as I'm very weak at them. I'm reading OBGYN and Peds in MTB2/3 and First Aid Step 2 CK. Will probably read through my weak subjects in "USMLE secrets" as well. Also going through my incorrects on UW on Tutor timed and I will probably switch to timed this weekend to work on timing (about 550 to go). Doing ANKI flashcards that I had made on most of my incorrect UW questions.

What should I be doing in these last 8 days? Honestly, I'm unsure if I should do another NBME exam this close as it might mentally destroy me if I don't do well. Anyone have a similar experience to my performance thus far? It seems everyone around here gets 250+ despite walking out "failing the exam"
 
same condition here with 2 weeks delay! I think revising UW Charts are also reasonable. please keep updating your situation! keep going, 250+ (at least) is completely doable in this case. good luck!

Yup seems like a good idea to go through uworld charts and do CMS for ob/gyn and paeds, will be taking Nbme 4 coming sunday! Good luck mate! aiming for anything 250+
 
Hey guys,

Would love to get some advice. I'm 8 days out from my Step 2 CK. US student. Did average or slightly above average on most shelf exams. I just finished UW on Tutor and got 65%, I took an NBME months ago and got a 220 if I remember correctly (I ended up delaying my exam due to it).

I plan to heavily focus on OBGYN and Peds as I'm very weak at them. I'm reading OBGYN and Peds in MTB2/3 and First Aid Step 2 CK. Will probably read through my weak subjects in "USMLE secrets" as well. Also going through my incorrects on UW on Tutor timed and I will probably switch to timed this weekend to work on timing (about 550 to go). Doing ANKI flashcards that I had made on most of my incorrect UW questions.

What should I be doing in these last 8 days? Honestly, I'm unsure if I should do another NBME exam this close as it might mentally destroy me if I don't do well. Anyone have a similar experience to my performance thus far? It seems everyone around here gets 250+ despite walking out "failing the exam"
First of all, I would distribute some of those lollipops to other SDN members.
Second of all, I will put the CMS record on repeat. Do all 8 forms (4 peds + 4 OBGYN). Those are your best bet. Would advice against spending too much time on books, although a single quick review might help, just to have the most basic stuff in place.
http://www.nbme.org/students/sas/masteryseries.html
 
I don't see how CMS helps you at all. If you know you're weak in something, you know you're weak in it. All CMS does is show you which questions you got wrong and then you can look up the answers. I'd rather just study the areas I'm weak in.

It would be 10x more valuable if they gave explanations for wrong answers like uwsa
 
I don't see how CMS helps you at all. If you know you're weak in something, you know you're weak in it. All CMS does is show you which questions you got wrong and then you can look up the answers. I'd rather just study the areas I'm weak in.

It would be 10x more valuable if they gave explanations for wrong answers like uwsa
Each to his own, buddy. I agree that they may not work for everyone. But by the time you reach CMS, you should be able to know where to rapidly look up specific information and apply it to new questions. Qs resemble the ones on the real deal much more than UWorld, and not everyone benefits from passive learning. Phloston looked up explanations on UpToDate, even for UWorld Qs. Cramming details so close to the exam are unlikely to give extra points. But again - my personal opinion.
 
Ya I agree with that it just sucks they don't give explanations. That would be so nice, I'd definitely pay extra for that
 
Ya I agree with that it just sucks they don't give explanations. That would be so nice, I'd definitely pay extra for that
It definitely can be frustrating at times, especially because some of the Qs seem to lack the information that would convince you which answer to choose. Just like the real test +pissed+
 
Any of y'all have a recommendation for a super short super high yield book to review the two days before my exam? I've got my notes that I've condensed down, but if my library has the book y'all recommend, I might pick it up to just glance through the day or two before my exam.

5 days away.
 
Any of y'all have a recommendation for a super short super high yield book to review the two days before my exam? I've got my notes that I've condensed down, but if my library has the book y'all recommend, I might pick it up to just glance through the day or two before my exam.

5 days away.
I heard about "Secrets", but personally didn't like the structure.
 
I don't see how CMS helps you at all. If you know you're weak in something, you know you're weak in it. All CMS does is show you which questions you got wrong and then you can look up the answers. I'd rather just study the areas I'm weak in.

It would be 10x more valuable if they gave explanations for wrong answers like uwsa
My 2 cents. If you read up on a weak area how do you know you have synthesized that information? By testing yourself with a subject exam like the cMS exams. That was the logic I used to fine tune my weak areas. I screenshotted my incorrects and looked them up in uptodate.
 
CMS helps by giving you an intro on the random topics they like to test on , an idea on how they present most common cases and the vagueness of the question stem that you'll probably experience on test day .
 
I feel like others have said this before, but CMS psych really is useful - even right before the test. The hardest part of psych is committing to a diagnosis when the vignette really tows the line between two or three closely related ones (MDD vs. adjustment or social anxiety vs avoidant, for example). The CMS questions really help you fine tune and master what to look for regarding these. The vignettes are about the same length as the real thing. The other CMS forms are a lot more straightforward than the real CK, only psych nails the ambiguity of the real thing. On my real CK, which I just took, there were several of these questions on the real thing. If you suck at psych pharm, I wouldn't say that CMS helps, that stuff is pretty much straight up memorization. My advice on psych pharm is to know the comorbidities that might indicate one drug in the same class over another. Everyone knows that SSRIs are first line for OCD. But what about OCD + comorbidities?
 
Hey bigtruckguy I have Step 2 CK Secrets and I would recommend it. The content seems to me to be right in the sweet spot of high yield, yet things I find myself forgetting. Also vvvvvery easy to cruise through for a couple minutes here and there while waiting for your coffee/ramen noodles to be done or whatev
 
Any of y'all have a recommendation for a super short super high yield book to review the two days before my exam? I've got my notes that I've condensed down, but if my library has the book y'all recommend, I might pick it up to just glance through the day or two before my exam.

5 days away.

All the short resources that seem to cover all the subjects are going to be way, way too vague. Unless you are struggling with the basics, which I hope you aren't at this point, it's a waste. For example, those books will talk about how to diagnose and manage cholecystitis. Only on your test cholecystitis will have an unusual presentation or the question about it will be out of left field. I bought Step 2 Secrets and it was a waste of money. You really need to decide what you're weak at and focus on the difficult concepts of that topic - I spent almost a full day doing just obstetrics because I found that topic to be loaded with difficult algorithms and tough questions and I feel like it paid off during the real thing. Look through this thread - several people have mentioned high-yield topics. Learn EVERYTHING about those topics - maybe use up to date if you have access.
 
All the short resources that seem to cover all the subjects are going to be way, way too vague. Unless you are struggling with the basics, which I hope you aren't at this point, it's a waste. For example, those books will talk about how to diagnose and manage cholecystitis. Only on your test cholecystitis will have an unusual presentation or the question about it will be out of left field. I bought Step 2 Secrets and it was a waste of money. You really need to decide what you're weak at and focus on the difficult concepts of that topic - I spent almost a full day doing just obstetrics because I found that topic to be loaded with difficult algorithms and tough questions and I feel like it paid off during the real thing. Look through this thread - several people have mentioned high-yield topics. Learn EVERYTHING about those topics - maybe use up to date if you have access.
I think this thread needs a brush of "high-yield topics" from recent test takers!
 
I think this thread needs a brush of "high-yield topics" from recent test takers!
Human immunodeficiency virus
Tuberculosis
Preventive cardiology
Screening for cancer
Electrolyte and acid-base disturbances
Anemias and leukemias
Pediatric immunodeficiencies
Trauma
Emergency medicine and poisoning
Psychopharmacology / neurotransmitters

AND...

Wehe dem Kind, das beim Kuß auf die Stirn salzig schmeckt, er ist verhext und muss bald sterbe (Google it).
 
Human immunodeficiency virus
Tuberculosis
Preventive cardiology
Screening for cancer
Electrolyte and acid-base disturbances
Anemias and leukemias
Pediatric immunodeficiencies
Trauma
Emergency medicine and poisoning
Psychopharmacology / neurotransmitters

AND...

Wehe dem Kind, das beim Kuß auf die Stirn salzig schmeckt, er ist verhext und muss bald sterbe (Google it).
Thanks @Copenhagen . I really appreciate your help!
 
Top