vasovagal reaction

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Had a patient with a reaction immediately after placing IV-- Bradycardia followed by syncope although patient was already in bed. Patient for tense and had what looked like seizure for 5-10 seconds. Apneic and says dropped to low 90s. Patient returned top normal within 30 seconds without any action. Recommendations for the future?? How do you respond to this reaction?? Greatly appreciated
 
Sure does sound like a vasovagal event. These seem to come in all varieties, in my experience. All the way from a mild slow HR in the 40s with a "soft" BP of 80-90, all the way to a couple of trips across the monitor screen without any QRS complexes.

In our outpt practice I have seen some variant up to 5-6 times a day some times. I had a pt and his wife do it to me at the same once just last month. Also this year I was at the desk, the nurse said "Dr, Rm 84s HR is slow, can you take a look?" I went in, HR 40s, BP 80s, pt feels "off". I explain to him about the powerful vagus nerve and its effects. I say "We see this alot and can deal with it with anti-Vagus drugs. Heck I have even seen it stop a pts heart altogether so there where no beats across the monitor". No sooner were the words out of my mouth, and the monitor went flat. End of my sentence, end of the beats.

Enough war stories. Treatment.

Oxygen, IV fluids, Glyco 0.2mg (2x prn) for a "mild" event, Atropine 0.4-0.5mg for a stronger event, call a code for anything worse. Raise the legs just a little to support the pressure, but don't overdo that, it is controversial. Think about other pressors, but in the average episode you rarely need any.

Young healthy males seem to do this more often than anybody. Often times no treatment is necessary besides supine/slight Trandelenberg to improve blood flow to the brain. That is what you do in church when someone faints when the preacher is too long winded.

It seems that the vagal reflex does not often repeat itself, so once treated, it seems like things are better, but nothing is 100%, I guess.

Hope all that advice from an old guy helps aim you in the right direction.
 
We see it most with IV starts, occasionally with dads in L&D with epidurals/C-sections.

Most patients are already lying down, and the problem is frequently self limiting/correcting. Check the pulse and airway (duh), put them flat or slight T-berg, and usually by the time you get help, they're already coming around.

The key for L&D dads is prevention. I don't care how manly they think they are. They SIT in front of the patient where they can't watch the epidural, and they SIT for the C-section (maybe peek at delivery, that's it).

Remember that vagal stimulation can cause extremely impressive bradycardias/asystole. Kiddie strabismus surgery is a biggie (tell the eye doc to let go), and a few times a month, we'll see it with CO2 distention of the abdomen during laparoscopy (deflate the abdomen). You'll also see that damn oculo-cardiac reflex in adults, particularly with vitreo-retinal surgery. When our retinal guys say they're pulling on the eye muscles, it's time to watch the monitor.
 
notorious during epidural placements in little old men as well, ive only had a few laboring women have this problem, but see it frequently when placing preop epidurals for laprotomy/thoractomy etc. usually just lay flat, open fluids, vagolytic and oxygen if needed, proceed in lateral position after stabilizing
 
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This is why dads need to sit the f*** down during epidurals-the family won this suit for wrongful death apparently for millions-

I do a lot of OB-if they don't want to sit, then they are asked to leave. If there is still resistance, I am leaving the room until tough guy grows up a little...
 
One of our local gurus has done a lot of medicolegal type cases including weird bradycardic episodes. He thinks that vagovagal/vasovagal events and the Bezold-Jarisch reflex have some commonalities, obviously the efferent limb, but also the pathogenesis, being this massive and inappropriate vagal discharge that follows an appropriate but much smaller sympathetic "pulse" following fear/fright/pain.
 
That is called having a wuss for a patient.

Treatment is to let them know they are a big wuss when they snap out of it.
 
That is called having a wuss for a patient.

Treatment is to let them know they are a big wuss when they snap out of it.

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