VMCAS Questions and Rants c/o 2030

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Hey yall, I had a question about the Casper test. How do you do well on these test? I feel like I do well, but then get results and dont get the percentile I want. I dont know how to better my answers lol. Thanks in advance!
Look up the Casper test on YouTube!! I did some great practice that way. General consensus— consider all sides always. Be willing to take a moral stand when you need to but always try to acknowledge all sides and possibilities.
 
Look up the Casper test on YouTube!! I did some great practice that way. General consensus— consider all sides always. Be willing to take a moral stand when you need to but always try to acknowledge all sides and possibilities.
that is actually so smart thanks!
 
hi! does anyone know if utah state university is accepting applications for this cycle? and if so.... where? i dont see them listed in vmcas. thanks!
 
hi! does anyone know if utah state university is accepting applications for this cycle? and if so.... where? i dont see them listed in vmcas. thanks!
I actually emailed them earlier this week about this and they said they're working on getting the application finalized with VMCAS and it should be available sometime this month!
 
When you are matching your classes to prerequisites for schools, there is a minimum credit listed but also a minimum grades listed. For instance, for Biochem for Midwestern, it's listed as minimum credit hours: 3 and minimum grades: 2.

What is this about? I only have one Biochem class that was 3 credit hours and I received one grade for it.
 
When you are matching your classes to prerequisites for schools, there is a minimum credit listed but also a minimum grades listed. For instance, for Biochem for Midwestern, it's listed as minimum credit hours: 3 and minimum grades: 2.

What is this about? I only have one Biochem class that was 3 credit hours and I received one grade for it.

The grade is the worth. So when it says "minimum grade, 2" the minimum is a C because a C is worth 2 points towards your GPA. By extension, a D is worth one (so not usable); B is worth 3; and A is worth 4
 
The grade is the worth. So when it says "minimum grade, 2" the minimum is a C because a C is worth 2 points towards your GPA. By extension, a D is worth one (so not usable); B is worth 3; and A is worth 4
Ahh, okay, thanks!
 
This may be dumb but I have heard different things. For those of us who majored in animal science or something related where your classes had hands on interactions with animals are you counting those as experience hours? I gained what would add up to be about 60 hours of various hands on experience with cattle, swine, small ruminants, and equines. Would it be wrong to include this in my hours? I don't NEED the hours but since majority of my experience is with small animals adding to the large animal seems advantageous. What do you guys think?
 
This may be dumb but I have heard different things. For those of us who majored in animal science or something related where your classes had hands on interactions with animals are you counting those as experience hours? I gained what would add up to be about 60 hours of various hands on experience with cattle, swine, small ruminants, and equines. Would it be wrong to include this in my hours? I don't NEED the hours but since majority of my experience is with small animals adding to the large animal seems advantageous. What do you guys think?
i did not include any hours of hands-on experience gained through classes. i worked with mice at one point and cattle for animal science. since they were technically part of a course and had less than an 3 hours each week with them, i did not count them. i personally would not include those hours, but other can weigh in if they did or didn't.
 
This may be dumb but I have heard different things. For those of us who majored in animal science or something related where your classes had hands on interactions with animals are you counting those as experience hours? I gained what would add up to be about 60 hours of various hands on experience with cattle, swine, small ruminants, and equines. Would it be wrong to include this in my hours? I don't NEED the hours but since majority of my experience is with small animals adding to the large animal seems advantageous. What do you guys think?

This is such a wishy washy area, I don't think you can go wrong no matter what you do. When I was applying, hours linked to classwork did not count. But I've definitely read differently since. I personally wouldn't have added such hours back in the day.

The way I see it now is you can add them with the disclaimer it was part of Ansci 101 or whatever. The schools will count it or they won't on their end. But I dont think you'll be dinged for it.
 
This may be dumb but I have heard different things. For those of us who majored in animal science or something related where your classes had hands on interactions with animals are you counting those as experience hours? I gained what would add up to be about 60 hours of various hands on experience with cattle, swine, small ruminants, and equines. Would it be wrong to include this in my hours? I don't NEED the hours but since majority of my experience is with small animals adding to the large animal seems advantageous. What do you guys think?
My university offered animal handling classes taught by veterinarians. We also had barn duty once a week for a semester. Personally, I counted those hours as veterinary experience and animal experience, respectively. That was tons of hands-on time I spent with animals learning castration, dehorning, blood draws, safe handling skills, etc.

To me, that deserved to be on my application. Honestly, I chose to go to that school because they emphasize their hands-on opportunities. I'm not a large animal person, so my undergrad was my way of getting large animal and equine hours without having to take a summer away from my wildlife internships. Our pre-vet club takes an annual roadtrip to multiple vet schools and (from what I can remember) the majority of the schools said to put down our handling hours because they were good quality. I got into four schools, so I would say it helped my application.
 
hey yall i need help.
I currently have 2/3 of my LORs locked in. My main problem is that I am not close or comfortable enough to ask one of my most recent professors for a letter. My masters degree was online while I worked full time. The only conversation between any of my professors and I was through email. I email two professors that I would be most comfortable asking (barely) and they still have not responded. I’m at a loss of what to do.

*I obtained my bachelors in 2021 and am no longer in contact with my advisor or any professors *
 
hey yall i need help.
I currently have 2/3 of my LORs locked in. My main problem is that I am not close or comfortable enough to ask one of my most recent professors for a letter. My masters degree was online while I worked full time. The only conversation between any of my professors and I was through email. I email two professors that I would be most comfortable asking (barely) and they still have not responded. I’m at a loss of what to do.

*I obtained my bachelors in 2021 and am no longer in contact with my advisor or any professors *
Not all schools require a letter from a professor. The school I attended requires three letters, one from a DVM, and that’s the only requirement. If you don’t have one, just apply to places that don’t require it. However, if places you’re looking at applying do *require* it, then either figure it out or don’t apply there…otherwise you’re wasting your money and donating your app fees.
 
This may be dumb but I have heard different things. For those of us who majored in animal science or something related where your classes had hands on interactions with animals are you counting those as experience hours? I gained what would add up to be about 60 hours of various hands on experience with cattle, swine, small ruminants, and equines. Would it be wrong to include this in my hours? I don't NEED the hours but since majority of my experience is with small animals adding to the large animal seems advantageous. What do you guys think?
I put it under animal hours, but noted that it was part of *insert course here.* I was pretty low with my LA/equine hours when I applied so I felt it was important to show that I have at least some handling experience. With that said, for my specific class, we had lecture for two hours/week or something, then the lab was on Friday morning for 1-2 hours. I actually kept an accurate log of direct animal hours and did not count hours spent sitting in lecture.

No idea if including it actually mattered in the grand scheme of things, but I don't think it would hurt you if you are honest with the hours.
 
hey yall i need help.
I currently have 2/3 of my LORs locked in. My main problem is that I am not close or comfortable enough to ask one of my most recent professors for a letter. My masters degree was online while I worked full time. The only conversation between any of my professors and I was through email. I email two professors that I would be most comfortable asking (barely) and they still have not responded. I’m at a loss of what to do.

*I obtained my bachelors in 2021 and am no longer in contact with my advisor or any professors *
I also got my bachelors in 2021 and ended up having to reach out to two professors who taught me. Thankfully one of them I was a bit closer with, but the other one was a music professor. I told her that while it had nothing to do with my new career, I loved her classes and thought her view of me as a student in a non-science course would be good to have. She was hesitant to do it because she wanted me to pick a science professor but I told her all they cared about was that she taught me and had a good view of me as a student, and she agreed. I had no issues using that letter to get accepted places. I would reach out to your favorite undergrad professors, remind them of who you are, and ask if they would be willing to write you a *good* letter of recommendation. You’d be surprised how many of them might remember you.
 
Hi. this is random, but does anyone know what kind of AI detectors universities use to screen application essays?

Since AI is pretty dominant today, I just want to take extra precautions with my applications.
 
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Hi. this is random, but does anyone know what kind of AI detectors universities use to screen application essays?

Since AI is pretty dominant today, I just want to take extra precautions with my applications.
I doubt you will get a solid answer to this, but there are a number of free things out there you can try. How effective they are, who knows. If universities have AI detectors in place, my guess is they are paying big fees for the use of these programs and they aren't readily available to students :shrug:

You might check with your local library to see if they have a subscription to something? Or if you're still a student, check with your school's tutoring or writing services and see what they suggest. The eruption of AI in academia is all pretty fresh and they might have the best suggestions for you.
 
Hello all! Does anyone know if “the more the merrier” applies when it comes to listing advanced biology courses for prerequisites? Should I include all the classes that could count as advanced biology, even if that means going over the minimum credit requirement? Or is it better to just pick a few? I got the same grade in all of them, so my prereq GPA wouldn’t change either way. I know it probably depends on the school, but I haven’t found anything that says I shouldn’t list all the ones that qualify. TIA!!!!!
 
Hello all! Does anyone know if “the more the merrier” applies when it comes to listing advanced biology courses for prerequisites? Should I include all the classes that could count as advanced biology, even if that means going over the minimum credit requirement? Or is it better to just pick a few? I got the same grade in all of them, so my prereq GPA wouldn’t change either way. I know it probably depends on the school, but I haven’t found anything that says I shouldn’t list all the ones that qualify. TIA!!!!!
For me, if a school said in notes to only list up to the upper credit limit, I did that. Otherwise, I picked upwards of 5-6 courses if I could, to show that I had more than met the minimum criteria. As long as they’re all the same grade roughly, and all meet requirements, I don’t think there’s any harm!
 
If my current school lists a lab as separate from a lecture course (ie, organic chemistry), and a vet school requires one semester of that class's lecture with "lab recommended", should I mark just the first semester of lecture and lab, both semesters of just the lecture, or both semesters of the labs and lectures?

I'm also applying to a school that requires 1 semester(4 credits) of a class with a minimum grade of a B. I took that class as a two-semester sequence(8 credits total) and got a B+ in the first semester but a B- in the second semester. Do I label both classes as the prerequisite, since they average to the B minimum, or just the first semester since it meets the required number credits and meets/exceeds the minimum grade?
 
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If my current school lists a lab as separate from a lecture course (ie, organic chemistry), and a vet school requires one semester of that class's lecture with "lab recommended", should I mark just the first semester of lecture and lab, both semesters of just the lecture, or both semesters of the labs and lectures?

I'm also applying to a school that requires 1 semester(4 credits) of a class with a minimum grade of a B. I took that class as a two-semester sequence(8 credits total) and got a B+ in the first semester but a B- in the second semester. Do I label both classes as the prerequisite, since they average to the B minimum, or just the first semester since it meets the required number credits and meets/exceeds the minimum grade?
Depends on if your two semester sequence course work account for one semester of ochem(rare instance). If it doesn’t, I would only add the first semester or what is applicable.
 
Hello everyone, when creating a recommendation request on VMCAS, does it matter to the admission committee if I decline to waive my right to access my letters of recommendation, or should I just opt to have it waived to avoid any red flags? I want to know if this is honestly a big deal?
 
Hello everyone, when creating a recommendation request on VMCAS, does it matter to the admission committee if I decline to waive my right to access my letters of recommendation, or should I just opt to have it waived to avoid any red flags? I want to know if this is honestly a big deal?
I had the same question to my Son when he applied last year about not being able to see what his LORs said. His thinking was, what good would come from me seeing them? I cannot change them and an admissions rep may find it odd (even if just a perception) you don’t trust your recommender. The line between acceptance and rejection is razor thin so never do anything that can even marginally make someone question you. In reality it probably does not truly matter but why take the risk for something you can do nothing about. And will probably even make you more crazy during the long dead period after application wondering all the things you did wrong or did not do enough of.
 
Hello everyone, when creating a recommendation request on VMCAS, does it matter to the admission committee if I decline to waive my right to access my letters of recommendation, or should I just opt to have it waived to avoid any red flags? I want to know if this is honestly a big deal?
Hello, the Pre-Vet advisor at my school said you must opt out of seeing it because if it wasn't a good one then you could just get rid of it. In my experience some of my recommenders have sent me a copy of their recommendation separately after they submitted it. Not always the case but if you don't have full faith someone will write you a good one then I wouldn't ask them.
 
Hello everyone, when creating a recommendation request on VMCAS, does it matter to the admission committee if I decline to waive my right to access my letters of recommendation, or should I just opt to have it waived to avoid any red flags? I want to know if this is honestly a big deal?
I don't think it's as big of a deal as people think. Choosing to be able to read your letters seems like a very unlikely reason for rejection in the grand scheme of things. I never saw the point of VMCAS offering it as an option - either make them completely confidential (like in the match) or don't. With that said, do what you're comfortable with.

Most people waive access because of the long-standing perception that being able to read a critical part of your own application makes an applicant look bad, and like stated above, 'why take the chance?' However, If I were in the position of applying 3, 4, 5+ times, or a school told me that my letters weren't great in my previous cycle despite having good faith in my writers, I'd be wanting to see who was writing what at that point. You would be surprised (or maybe not) at how little effort some people take in writing these letters, even if the applicant was the best pre-vet a clinic has ever had. A letter that is only a few sentences can have a negative impact, even if the content wasn't negative.

Hello, the Pre-Vet advisor at my school said you must opt out of seeing it because if it wasn't a good one then you could just get rid of it. In my experience some of my recommenders have sent me a copy of their recommendation separately after they submitted it. Not always the case but if you don't have full faith someone will write you a good one then I wouldn't ask them.
Can someone verify if this is actually true? Back in the day, you could delete writers up until the point that they submitted the letter, but I'm pretty sure you couldn't delete someone after that.
 
I don't think it's as big of a deal as people think. Choosing to be able to read your letters seems like a very unlikely reason for rejection in the grand scheme of things. I never saw the point of VMCAS offering it as an option - either make them completely confidential (like in the match) or don't. With that said, do what you're comfortable with.

Most people waive access because of the long-standing perception that being able to read a critical part of your own application makes an applicant look bad, and like stated above, 'why take the chance?' However, If I were in the position of applying 3, 4, 5+ times, or a school told me that my letters weren't great in my previous cycle despite having good faith in my writers, I'd be wanting to see who was writing what at that point. You would be surprised (or maybe not) at how little effort some people take in writing these letters, even if the applicant was the best pre-vet a clinic has ever had. A letter that is only a few sentences can have a negative impact, even if the content wasn't negative.


Can someone verify if this is actually true? Back in the day, you could delete writers up until the point that they submitted the letter, but I'm pretty sure you couldn't delete someone after that.
My quick search shows you are correct. Once completed and submitted, you cannot edit or delete the LOR. Kind of to my Sons point. You cannot un-ring a bell. But if someone was on attempt 3-4 and was told LORs lacked, I would definitely be asking for copies. LORs are the biggest part of your application that is out of your control and therefore likely causes a fair amount of anxiety. There are some YouTube videos out there on things an applicant can do to help their LOR writer produce a quality document.
 
You would be surprised (or maybe not) at how little effort some people take in writing these letters, even if the applicant was the best pre-vet a clinic has ever had.
I love the doctor I worked with. She cried with me when I got into vet school. She tore my essay apart about six times to help make it better. She was previously part of a big name school's admissions committee. She gave me my letter to read after all of my applications got submitted.

She whole spelled my name wrong in the first line.
 
I love the doctor I worked with. She cried with me when I got into vet school. She tore my essay apart about six times to help make it better. She was previously part of a big name school's admissions committee. She gave me my letter to read after all of my applications got submitted.

She whole spelled my name wrong in the first line.
NOOOOOOOO :laugh:. It's funny because you ultimately got in. But ugh. How close to the deadline did she submit it?
 
NOOOOOOOO :laugh:. It's funny because you ultimately got in. But ugh. How close to the deadline did she submit it?
She's a specialist at a fancy hospital. Like hours to maybe a day or two before lol, I don't remember exactly at this point.
 
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