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splishsplash2305 said:
Yea everything seems pretty quiet. Tulane in particular. I dislike this.
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I'm in the same boat as you. Looking at past years threads, Tulane is late to the party kind of a lot. In the past they've been willing to tell people about wait list movement over the phone, but now it seems they won't say anything. In the 2013-2014 cycle, four people came off the week of the 12th. That could happen again, right?
 
NeuroticPremedGuy said:
I'm in the same boat as you. Looking at past years threads, Tulane is late to the party kind of a lot. In the past they've been willing to tell people about wait list movement over the phone, but now it seems they won't say anything. In the 2013-2014 cycle, four people came off the week of the 12th. That could happen again, right?
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Lol your screenname matches this statement. I used to look at old threads months ago and gave up when the lack of patten started irritating me.


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Angelyka said:
Lol your screenname matches this statement. I used to look at old threads months ago and gave up when the lack of patten started irritating me.


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Yea I wasn't terribly neurotic until I realized that half the class does not, in fact, come from the wait list. I try not to look too much at them, because it can get depressing (2012-2013 Tulane didn't have a single person moved off because they over admitted...I don't want to get too creative). I'm not optimistic, I just try not to be overly pessimistic. Sometimes. When I'm not drinking and/or crying.
 
Don't forget that not everyone who applies to medical school uses SDN. I specifically WARN my students NOT to sign up for SDN because of the anxiety it causes during the application process. It is just as possible that a lot of people have moved but do not post/have SDN as it is that people have not moved. Just breathe, and relax. It ain't over until the AdComs of the school say it is (in an email saying it's over). <3
 
MissKitty2868 said:
I specifically WARN my students NOT to sign up for SDN because of the anxiety it causes during the application process.
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I would advise you to use caution here. As Uncle Ben would say, with great power comes great responsibility.

I was told the same by my pre-med advisor, and it was not until I finally decided to go against her advice that I learned both how naive I was about this process and how woefully behind I was in preparing to apply (this was the summer before senior year of college). Additionally, I learned that my advisor was not nearly the guru I had thought, and had I not realized this I would never have stepped my game up to the level needed to be successful in his process.

Since then, I have seen countless other students fall into the same trap, including a few close friends of mine, due to this advisor's fear of SDN. Even the best pre-med advisor in the world cannot provide the same level of guidance that a moderated, curated, crowd-sourced community like SDN can. And even if one could match up, no advisor will ever have the time to bring all of this knowledge equally to each of the students they are responsible for.

Steering all students away from the best resource on medical school applications because of the fear that some of them are not prepared to sift through the muck is foolish and destructive.


(No offense meant by any of this, it is just a topic that I feel very strongly about.)
 
NotaCop said:
I would advise you to use caution here. As Uncle Ben would say, with great power comes great responsibility.

I was told the same by my pre-med advisor, and it was not until I finally decided to go against her advice that I learned both how naive I was about this process and how woefully behind I was in preparing to apply (this was the summer before senior year of college). Additionally, I learned that my advisor was not nearly the guru I had thought, and had I not realized this I would never have stepped my game up to the level needed to be successful in his process.

Since then, I have seen countless other students fall into the same trap, including a few close friends of mine, due to this advisor's fear of SDN. Even the best pre-med advisor in the world cannot provide the same level of guidance that a moderated, curated, crowd-sourced community like SDN can. And even if one could match up, no advisor will ever have the time to bring all of this knowledge equally to each of the students they are responsible for.

Steering all students away from the best resource on medical school applications because of the fear that some of them are not prepared to sift through the muck is foolish and destructive.


(No offense meant by any of this, it is just a topic that I feel very strongly about.)
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Didn't realize someone would write a novel for my joke. Here we go, as usual. Someone takes things too seriously, when it was only meant to try and calm another person down who is anxious about not seeing someone post about waitlist movement on a forum.

In reality, I don't tell them NOT to use it at all. I tell them to use SDN for insight on secondaries and advice, NOT for when people submitted and completed secondaries and the time it took to receive interview invites, and all of the other crap that causes people to stress out.

And yes, your response was offensive. But that's ok, because you looked way too into a comment, as most people do on here. Hooray SDN!
 
Not trying to be inflammatory here, just wanna state my thoughts on the matter.

Obviously SDN is incredibly helpful. But it can also be very discouraging, especially when you're an average applicant and it seems like everyone else on here is a superstar. But honestly, I feel like people need to suck it up and get over it. If SDN really makes you feel that bad about yourself or stressed out, are you going to be able to handle a stressful career such as medicine?

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Lannister said:
Not trying to be inflammatory here, just wanna state my thoughts on the matter.

Obviously SDN is incredibly helpful. But it can also be very discouraging, especially when you're an average applicant and it seems like everyone else on here is a superstar. But honestly, I feel like people need to suck it up and get over it. If SDN really makes you feel that bad about yourself or stressed out, are you going to be able to handle a stressful career such as medicine?

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Amen to that. It's not just that and what @NotaCop said. I only discovered sdn this April when most of my applying was done. Before that, I felt very alone and had no idea whether the information I was getting from limited sources was even right for me. Being able to talk to people like myself and realize that we're all struggling with the same questions in a largely opaque process gave me so much relief. Instead of suffering the anxiety alone, we can laugh at our own neurotic behavior here--which is so much better. :happy:
 
medNmastiffs said:
Amen to that. It's not just that and what @NotaCop said. I only discovered sdn this April when most of my applying was done. Before that, I felt very alone and had no idea whether the information I was getting from limited sources was even right for me. Being able to talk to people like myself and realize that we're all struggling with the same questions in a largely opaque process gave me so much relief. Instead of suffering the anxiety alone, we can laugh at our own neurotic behavior here--which is so much better. :happy:
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Agreed! I've applied 3 times now, the first two without coming to SDN for anything (I'd heard all of the bad things and none of the good). This cycle has been much better, simply because I can see that other people are in the same situation that I am. Sure, a lot of us are neurotic, but seeing that other people are worried about moving off of a waitlist in June is incredibly helpful. As frustrating as it is for all of us to be largely in the dark, it's a lot less frustrating when you find other people who are going through similar things. I just wish I'd started really coming here regularly before I finalized my personal statement. Or my activity descriptions. Or submitted my secondaries. Or gone to my interviews. Really what I'm saying is that SDN is good and I'm dumb.
 
Has anybody heard of someone getting off the waitlist for NYC area schools from mid-June through early August?
 
hemoglobina1c said:
@gyngyn do you know if there is waitlist movement at Rosalind Franklin?
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We don't have that much overlap with RF, so the fact that I haven't seen any, doesn't mean none has occurred.
 
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Green Grass said:
Oh no, you better start a mini marathon tonight and we will be expecting a short PowerPoint presentation in the morning. Thanks.


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I was working a lot harder back then. I totally missed the whole thing.
 
@gyngyn In your opinion, has this past cycle been better or worse for the applicant of "median metriculant" quality (defined by msar 2015 as a 31 mcat & 3.7 sci gpa/3.8 overall gpa) aka the middling guy who has decent enough stats to hope for md but not sure in stats.
 
Spector1 said:
@gyngyn In your opinion, has this past cycle been better or worse for the applicant of "median metriculant" quality (defined by msar 2015 as a 31 mcat & 3.7 sci gpa/3.8 overall gpa) aka the middling guy who has decent enough stats to hope for md but not sure in stats.
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I'm in CA. It's always a tough year here for that guy. We will only know in retrospect, but I still think that he has a good chance in a good state with a good list.
 
gyngyn said:
I'm in CA. It's always a tough year here for that guy. We will only know in retrospect, but I still think that he has a good chance in a good state with a good list.
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I'm a californian too D:
 
Spector1 said:
I'm a californian too D:
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The outcome will turn on the strength of the OOS list in most cases for such CA applicants.
OOS schools love CA applicants. They tend to be very good, and there are so many of them...
That's why they call it UC Albany!
 
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gyngyn said:
The outcome will turn on the strength of the OOS list in most cases for such CA applicants.
OOS schools love CA applicants. They tend to be very good, and there are so many of them...
That's why they call it UC Albany!
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Which private schools do you recommend most for people from CA and other states like CA (not super friendly to IS)?

does the below seem reasonable?

if the MCAT is 31+:
Tufts
Georgetown??
Wake Forest??
MCW
Jefferson
Creighton
Drexel
NYMC
RFU
Temple
Rush
Tulane??
UC Albany lol
Loyola
Quinnipiac
Western Michigan
OUWB

if the MCAT is 35+:
Hofstra
Case Western
Emory
Rochester
Einstein
USC
BU
SLU
Miami


There are other OOS friendly state schools that are probably worth considering but I just included good private schools here.
 
starspells said:
Which private schools do you recommend most for people from CA and other states like CA (not super friendly to IS)?

does the below seem reasonable?

if the MCAT is 31+:
Tufts
Georgetown??
Wake Forest??
MCW
Jefferson
Creighton
Drexel
NYMC
RFU
Temple
Rush
Tulane??
UC Albany lol
Loyola
Quinnipiac
Western Michigan
OUWB

if the MCAT is 35+:
Hofstra
Case Western
Emory
Rochester
Einstein
USC
BU
SLU
Miami


There are other OOS friendly state schools that are probably worth considering but I just included good private schools here.
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You don't need a 35 for SLU, Einstein or Emory. A 32 is good if everything else is ok.
 
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oshanimalia said:
Wtf then why did they hate me

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They don't hate you. I find most of the applicants we can't interview very likeable. We just don't have room for them.
 
@gyngyn if someone chooses to work in the biotech private sector for a year or two after college while reapplying to med school, assuming all EC checkboxes like volunteering/shadowing/research have been previously filled, how will that look to an adcom?
 
Richard_Rooster said:
@gyngyn if someone chooses to work in the biotech private sector for a year or two after college while reapplying to med school, assuming all EC checkboxes like volunteering/shadowing/research have been previously filled, how will that look to an adcom?
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Fine.
 
xiquarius said:
From what I've heard, reapplicants are typically viewed more critically and require strong improvements to be considered. Whether this be completely rewriting your PS, getting a higher MCAT score, or doing better on the interview is up to the adcoms. Some med schools will list on their website a limit before blacklisting the reapplicant--most schools that I've seen list this information cap the reapplication at 3.
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like 3rd is the last time you can successfully apply or 3rd timers get auto rejected?
 
Richard_Rooster said:
how do med schools generally look at re-applicants? do you typically need strong improvements and is there really any limit before you get black listed? like 3rd or 4th time re applicants?
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Re-applicants are not a homogeneous group. Medical schools are also quite variable regarding re-application.
To answer your second question, the number of applications are limited at many schools. Some will post the maximum number on their website. I can think of a few that limit the number to two applications. Many more have an internal view on this that is not made public. Generally speaking, public schools in smaller states (especially in the South) tend to be more generous in their view of re-applicants. The more selective private schools tend to be less tolerant of application missteps. HMS only allows two applications, for example.
 
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