Waitlisted at USUHS

UCBShocker · Mar 11, 2005

jtriplet said:
Hey folks, I just got a letter from USUHS today saying that I am waitlisted for a spot for this year. I'm actually quite excited by this, because I wasn't even expecting to hear a word until at least mid-april. Anyone in the past have this experience? I've heard that there is quite a bit of movement at USUHS with spots opening up and such. Can anyone sound off on this? Also, as posted in one of my other threads, what is the latest that they would call you to let you know that a spot is available? I mean, could I conceivably get a call the day before classes start? I'm sorry to ramble, but I'm pretty damn excited at this point and really hoping that a spot opens up for me.

JOE

CONGRATS!!! And don't apologize, this is no small accomplishment =)
I am in the same boat you are in, or atleast I am in the same fleet =). I opted to be wait-listed because at this point there is really only one branch I want to enter. I think we will hear from them either in April or May because that is when most of the movement happens. You will have to be informed at the latest by June because there are a lot of steps from acceptance to matriculation that you need to take before school starts. I of course could be wrong, but I am pretty sure about this. Best of luck to you!

AubreyMaturin · Mar 11, 2005

Congradulations Joe, sorry I can't give you my spot at USUHS as I have re-decided to go. Hope we become class mates. Have you taken care of the Height/Weight BF stuff yet? I just read a blurb in on of my "official documents" from USUHS, which states:

"After April 15 2005, an applicant on the waiting list will not be offered a palce in the class unless physically qhalified."

...Come to think of it, I have no Idea what this means...but it sounds like you should get things taken care of.

I was physiclly qualified by DODMERB despite being above the H/W, so you don't have to wait to be in shape before you physical...unless you are hypertensive or something.

What branch are you asking for? I had no Idea that you could be waitlisted because of brance selection. I assume that you put alternates, so this is not an issue.

Good luck, and I hope to meet you this summer at OIS.

AubreyMaturin · Mar 11, 2005

jtriplet said:
Aubrey,
I have done all the physical stuff thus far, but have not gotten anything back fron DODMERB regarding being above the H/W table. I checked on their website and they said that they didn't have any info pertainig to me as of yet, which I find hard to believe because I have had everything done for at least a month now. Maybe I'll give them a call today and find out so I can qualify with BF%. By the way, did they give you a waiver to qualify or did you qualify because of BF%?

JOE

Don't sweat it. It took about 6-8 weeks before DODMERB finished qualifying me. I did not get a waiver, apparently DODMERB does not care about height/weight. they are just checking to see that you are otherwise healthy. BF seems to be a seperate issue. I am going to take a BF% test on Tuesday, and I should pass with no problem (~23%BF). + I am now within the H/W req.

BTW,
The OIS req for body fat is 22% upon completion of OIS. This is for the Navy, the Army is probably more strict. There are also a lot of other reqs i.e. run 1.5 miles in 1min 53sec or less. Do x # of situps, pullups in x time, etc... so getting in shape may save a lot of pain during OIS. There are OIS websites that post all of this info according to branch. I can give them to you if they are not already posted here somwhere.

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cmossop · Mar 11, 2005

Hello Everyone,
I'm another USUHS wait-lister. I was excited not to get flat out rejected but now I'm gonna be nervous waiting and hoping for wait-list movement the next two months. When I selected branches I said that I would accept a spot in any branch (even though I'm not too sure about taking an army spot if offered one). So, does that mean I could be offered a spot in any of the three or am I just on the waitlist for my top choice service? Ok, well I'll shut up now. I hope we all get to be classmates in the fall!
Corey

rotatores · Mar 12, 2005

Congrats

As long as you get qualified prior to the April 15th deadline you can still get in prior to classes beginning (Army has to make up OBC the following summer...Navy doesn't have to make up OIS)...but in my class I hadn't heard of anyone being accepted after June.

rotatores
USUHS 2006

btw...I have no idea how the waitlist moves...I had a friend waitlisted in January who never got an invite...she was a solid applicant.

cdreed · Mar 12, 2005

I was waitlisted a couple of years ago for the AF in January. Unfortunately, I was active duty, and in May I had to choose between the USUHS waitlist or taking the HPSP. I went with the sure thing and withdrew from the wait. I agree that USUHS is a great school. Good luck!

Cyndi

AubreyMaturin · Mar 12, 2005

jtriplet said:
Thanks for the info people, I really appreciate it. I checked with DODMERB, and they still show that they haven't received/reviewed any of my info. I want to make sure that everything gets taken care of prior to April 15th and I'm a little nervous b/c I haven't heard from them yet. I know that I am above the H/W requirements, but I should be fine for BF%. Can I go to a recruiter and have it done so that it is documented and ready prior to Apr. 15?

Aubrey - How do you mean that BF% is a different issue? If DODMERB didn't flag you for H/W requirements, how is it that you were notified that you needed to have it done? Was it by the school? Where are you going for your measurements? Just trying to get as much info as possible to make sure all my ducks are in a row.

Thanks for the help folks.

JOE

DODMERB did not disqualify me for H/W. The school did called me and told me to get the BF test done. Although I am physcially qualified, the guy at USUHS (Norman Mitchell) who coordinates all this stuff has not fowarded my info concerning my status to the admissions board becasue I have not completed a BF% test. Once I do this, he will foward my qualified status to the admissions board, and I assume that I will get my unconditional acceptance. He told me I could get a BF% test at any local recruiter or miltary base. I am going to MEPS (military enlisted procesing center) in Boston to get this done because I have an HPSP interview there already (back-up plan).

I would advise getting the BF% done ahead of time if you know that you are a bit over H/W and you know that you can pass the BF test. Unless it is very inconvenient to find a place to do this. As I recall, I was asked to do a BF test before DODMERB finnished my evaluation. You can contact Norman Mitchell at USUHS and ask him to give you the BF% documents (his contact info is in with your USUHS orientation stuff.) He might say that you need to wait for DODMERB's evaluation first. Also, I would call DODMERB and just check to see that nothing was lost. You never know, they have to process a lot of papers.

Keep me posted

virilep · Mar 14, 2005

I'm waitlisted too. for the AF

AubreyMaturin · Mar 14, 2005

jtriplet said:
OK, so I went on the DODMERB site today and saw this......

DoDMERB Application(s) Status

TRIPLET, JOSEPH J

Applicant Entry: 11/18/2004
Correspondence - DD2368: Status Letter: 03/14/2005

Appointment Scheduling Date : *NONE* Exam Taken : 02/15/2005
Exam Received: 03/08/2005 Medical Entry: 03/08/2005
Dental Entry: *NONE*

Agency: Uniformed Services University of Health Sciences Sub Agency:
Status: Qualified

Hot Diggity! I also talked to the reservist I mentioned in a previous post today and will stop by his office later this week. He said that they can do the official BF% measurements there if need be. I left a message with Mr. Mitchell today, but haven't heard back yet. I'll get in touch with him and see if there's anything else I'll need to do or fill out when I get the BF% done. I'm really hoping that it works out well. Does anyone know if I'm missing anything at this point? I don't want to miss any opportunity.

JOE

PS - Best of luck to all those that are waitlisted whether it is USUHS or some other fine institution.

Sounds great,
now you just need a few people to get disqualified, or change their mind about attending USUHS, and your in. I always assumed that a waitlist was almost a sure thing, so you should not have a problem. There may be fewer people "on the fence" about USUHS, or holding it as a saftey school, when compared to other schools. But there are also many ways to get disqualified, so I imagine that there is a lot of movement on the wait list anyway.

Hope the list moves fast for you, and you are not stuck waiting for a long time. May 15th is the big day, after that you should start hearing someting good.
Do you have a backup plan, like HPSP and a private school? Hopefully you get your first choice either way.
It's funny, USUHS was not my first choice when I applied, but it became #1 soon after I interviewed.
Good Luck

DCM · Mar 15, 2005

My unrequested advice is, take the "qualified" and leave it alone, don't push it other than ensuring that it is documented at USU. Once you are in unconditionally, someone may make you do something about BF% if they notice but you won't be kicked out.

grumbo · Mar 15, 2005

Don't worry about the BF% stuff. I'm fairly positive that once you're qualified by DODMERB, you're in. The BF% thing comes into play with HPSP and MEPS, but is really not a big deal for the USUHS application. Look at it this way, USUHS is just like any other medical school looking for qualified applicants. They try to get the best people they can academically (with a desire to serve in uniform) and then they look to DODMERB to see if those applicants are physically capable of being in shape. They assume if you are capable of running without having a heart attack (DODMERB qualification), then they can get you in shape later - like OBC, COT, or even remedial PT here at school.

Bottom line - if DODMERB says you're good, you're good.

p.s.
Congrats to everyone who made the waitlist. Good luck and hope to see you running around here in the fall.

AubreyMaturin · Mar 15, 2005

grumbo said:
Don't worry about the BF% stuff. I'm fairly positive that once you're qualified by DODMERB, you're in. The BF% thing comes into play with HPSP and MEPS, but is really not a big deal for the USUHS application. Look at it this way, USUHS is just like any other medical school looking for qualified applicants. They try to get the best people they can academically (with a desire to serve in uniform) and then they look to DODMERB to see if those applicants are physically capable of being in shape. They assume if you are capable of running without having a heart attack (DODMERB qualification), then they can get you in shape later - like OBC, COT, or even remedial PT here at school.

Bottom line - if DODMERB says you're good, you're good.

p.s.
Congrats to everyone who made the waitlist. Good luck and hope to see you running around here in the fall.

Agreed,
Don't worry you can be 28% body fat if you have no prior service and are 28 years old, or older. I assume you fit into this category.

qqq · Mar 16, 2005

jtriplet said:
DCM, grumbo - thanks for the advice. That's kind of what I was thinking...."don't push it if they say you're good." I'm meeting with the reservist that I mentioned in a previous post. He was gonna tape me unofficially to see where I stood. I think that I'll have him do an official taping to hold onto in the event that it becomes an issue.

Hopefully, it'll be just fine the way it is and I'll be offered a spot soon.

Any other comments relating to this or waitlisting at USUHS are more than welcomed.

JOE

my acceptance was just revoked today (medical) so there's one more acceptance out there for you waitlisters. good luck!

AubreyMaturin · Mar 16, 2005

jtriplet said:
Well, I met with Maj. Connolly today and was taped. My official weight is 213 and my official BF% is 17.09. I'm pretty excited about the results, b/c I've been busting my A$$.

I think that I just might call the school and fax this info over to cover all bases. Any thoughts.

JOE

PS - Thanks again Maj. Connolly, I really appreciate your help.

It can't hurt right? May as well send it on. Do you have Mr. Mitchell's Fax #? I can give it to you if you need. The only things is that he may not want to deal with your info until you have been accepted. But there must be a file on you, so you should be able to just send it.
Hope the waiting ends soon

spc213 · Mar 16, 2005

jtriplet said:
I think that I just might call the school and fax this info over to cover all bases. Any thoughts.

JOE

PS - Thanks again Maj. Connolly, I really appreciate your help.

Joe,

I'd just keep it in your back pocket unless you need it.
I was happy to help you and it was good to meet another SDNer in person today!

Good luck,
Sean

BOHICA-FIGMO · Mar 16, 2005

jtriplet said:
I called the Admissions office today to find out how late they offer spots. The lady told me that they can offer you a spot up to 3 days before the start of classes. Hope this info is helpful.

Any other waitlisters past or present out there? I'd love to hear from you.

JOE

Just remember all your DODMERB stuff has to be received NLT 15 April. After that, they no longer offer "conditional" (i.e., pending physical) acceptances.

Tabi04 · Mar 18, 2005

Congrats to all those accepted to USUHS (whether conditional/unconditional).

Hoping to hear some news anytime soon. Interviewed on Jan 13 but still no decision on my fate (noticed Joe interviewed 1 wk later but received a decision already --lucky you!); the wait blows. Was contacted by Mitchell early this week requesting DODMERB remedials. Therefore, two worries still for me: 1) Rejected or accepted? and 2) Will I even qualify medically?

I continue to wait and hope for the best.

Again, my congratulations to all and hope to see you in OBC this summer!

BOHICA-FIGMO · Mar 21, 2005

I would like to add my name to those who have been "waitlisted" at USUHS. I guess that means I actually have to FINISH my HPSP paperwork, now. Good luck to all (except for those competeing for the USAF slots

)

Anyone know if there is a priority for the waitlist? Is is it first-come, first-serve, or, are things like prior (current) service taken into consideration?

denali · Mar 21, 2005

It's real early in the med school waitlist game. Things will move, and will move very quickly after May 15 once people are forced to commit to a school. Being on the waitlist at USUHS is a little different than at other schools in that students can bail on an acceptance because the school's not for them, the military committment is not for them, or they don't pass the physical/security check. Make sure you get your physical & security clearance done ASAP as when time grows short, I would think they'd much rather offer a spot to someone already DODMERB & CCF cleared. I don't know if it's true or not, but when I interviewed, I heard more than once that being on the waitlist was as good as being in. Good luck to all of you!

Slugbutton · Mar 21, 2005

Hello all! I just got the letter today saying that I too am in the waitlist game.

(Don't worry Bohica-Figmo, Army not AF). I'm accepting the HPSP this weekend just in case. Let's hope that list moves fast! :luck:

tran1123 · Mar 22, 2005

I've been waitlisted since January. I was a little disappointed. However, when I thought about how half the people interviewing on Dec. 16th marked AF as their first choice, I knew that I probably would not have a good chance of getting AF if I was going to be accepted later. Therefore, I took the AF HPSP. At least here, I have a choice of my branch.

AubreyMaturin · Mar 22, 2005

jtriplet said:
I called the admissions office today to check on the status of my application (make sure that phys/sec stuff is all clear and on file) and Nasheika told me that I was on the AF waitlist only. She said that I was placed on that list b/c I put it first on my list although I ranked AF and Army the same. She proceeded to explain to me that you can only be on one waitlist. Therefore, I have to wait for an AF spot to open up unless all the Army waitlisters get offered spots and they have some additional ones to offer. I'm kind of bummed, b/c I thought that I would be waitlisted in both branches (although I guess in a way I am, just much further down in the Army.) I'm thinking about changing my waitlist b/c there's more movement in Army than AF (more spots), but I don't know if I'll be put futher down than I am on the AF list. Oh well, I'm just stressing. Like I said, the waiting and not knowing is the worst part. Any thoughts/comments/suggestions? I really want to start this year and not wait another.

JOE

That is interesting,
I are you waitlisted for the school because of you branch selection? In other words would you get a spot if you picked a branch that did not fill its quotas. I would think that the waitlist would be purely academic (spots in med school), not due to branch availibility. Unless you stated that you would ONLY take Army or Airforce, and they were both booked. I put all branches in the order of preference on my pref sheet, (Navy, Army/Airforce, PH).

Would you consider Navy? The Navy supports the Marines, so if it is ground action you are interested in, there are spots for that. What about public health, it seems like (based on our conversations) you are more interested in the USUHS system and govt employment, so PH should be OK.

From what people are saying, the waitlist will move fast after May 15th, so you should get in academically. But it would be a shame to see you not make it becuse you limited your branch selection to the two most popular.

tran1123 · Mar 22, 2005

jtriplet said:
Actually, I said that I would accept a spot in any branch. My listing went like this:

1) AF - 5 (Definietly take a commision)
2) Army - 5 (Definitely take a commision)
3) PH - 4 (Not first choice, but would strongly consider)
4) Navy - 2 (Might consider a commision if offered) - What can I say, I don't really like the water

As I understand it, I am waitlisted for branch. The letter I received stated that I was recommended for admission by the committee and that recommendation was approved by the dean. I'm just waiting for a spot to open up. I'm kind of bummed, b/c I really want to start this year and I hope that the list moves enough for me. I'd really take a commission in just about any branch (although navy may require a little thought).

How many people out there are waitlisted in AF? Army? And also, when did you find out you were waitlisted? Just trying to gauge the field.

JOE

I got the exact letter, stating the same thing about be approved and whatnot. When did you get waitlisted? If after late January, I am ahead of you on the AF list and I have not heard a final decision yet.

Slugbutton · Mar 22, 2005

I interviewed on the 16th of Dec and just got the letter yesterday. I've been waiting on the LOA from my unit so USUHS couldn't send anything until they had that. Since I am already Army I am assuming that I am on that waitlist. I was planning on giving them a call tomorrow to get all the info on their process.

Good luck everyone!

Tabi04 · Mar 22, 2005

i interviewed january 13 and still waiting for any response. i'm not DODMERB qualified yet (hope to be). from what i remember, that shouldn't affect whether they waitlist or accept conditionally, right (can someone pls. comment on this)? so, i guess they're still deciding on me. just patiently waiting...

AubreyMaturin · Mar 23, 2005

Tabi04 said:
i interviewed january 13 and still waiting for any response. i'm not DODMERB qualified yet (hope to be). from what i remember, that shouldn't affect whether they waitlist or accept conditionally, right (can someone pls. comment on this)? so, i guess they're still deciding on me. just patiently waiting...

Conditionaly accepted means academically qualified, but not DODMERB qualified or granted security clearence. So, I would think that you would get a waitlist spot before DODMERB qualificication.
BTW,
I was told by my USUHS student sponser to stay on top of the DODMERB people call them again and again until they complete your info. This will expidite the process.
Good luck

tran1123 · Mar 23, 2005

jtriplet said:
I interviewed on 1/27 and got my waitlist letter on the 10th of this month. Man, that puts me down the list if you got yours in late December. Hopefully, there'll be enough movement for all the waitlisters who have USUHS as their first or, in my case, only choice. By the way, you mentioned that you took HPSP. Does this mean that you are going to/have withdrawn from USUHS?

I will turn USUHS down once I get a final decision. I just want some finality on this thing. USUHS was the only medical school I really applied to because I was guaranteed to my university's School of Medicine since high school senior year. Because of my guarantee, I wanted to "experience" the application process like a regular student to the end. (USUHS was my first choice at the time of application)

Celiac Plexus · Mar 23, 2005

tran1123 said:
I got the exact letter, stating the same thing about be approved and whatnot. When did you get waitlisted? If after late January, I am ahead of you on the AF list and I have not heard a final decision yet.

The following info on the USUHS waitlist was garnered from the adcom, and students there during the application cycle of 1998-9....

At your interview, you have to fill out a form on which you state your preference of branch assignment. Although there is some small print that basically says that you will consider any spot, this rank/preference thing is extrememly important for your acceptance chances to USUHS.

Here is how the adcom uses this info: they take your #1 choice and if you are accepted and pass all the physical/security crap, and if a spot is available in your #1 choice, they will offer that spot to you. If your #1 choice branch has no spot available then you are placed on the waitlist for that branch. Later on if a spot opens up in your #1 branch, and your name is at the top of the waitlist for that branch, then you will be offerred the spot.

So you can see how this preference plays a big role in whether you will get a spot. Let me give you an example in case you still don't see how the preference thing can work against you. Let's say 2 guys are accepted at the same time. Guy A put army at the top of his preference list. Guy B put air force at the top of his list. Even though these applicants are identical in every objective, and subjective way, the army guy gets an offer because there are open spaces in the army, and the air force guy gets waitlisted and never gets in because the air force waitlist never really moves.

When I applied in '98-'99 I put navy as my first choice. I was told by students there to put army as my first choice since the aramy has the most spots available, and has the biggest quota for USUHS... also the army waitlist moved a lot faster because of this. But I decided that if I was going to go to USUHS, I wanted to be in the navy (kind of a family tradition thing). I was accepted and placed on the navy waitlist. Well I got a call in June of '99 from the USUHS adcom asking me if I would be willing to take an army spot if one opened up. The lady fromt he adcom said that the army waitlist was the fastest moving list and it looked like the list would be exhausted any moment... there were only a couple of people left on the army waitlist. Anyway, I wound up withdrawing my name at that time from the waitlist since I was already accepted at a different med school.

To summarize, it matters a whole lot which branch you put down on that form. If you get waitlisted, you get put on a waitlist for your #1 branch choice. If your preferred branch take many people off of the waitlist, and you interview very late in the cycle, you are essentially dooming your chances at USUHS. Consider that when I appliied (and it probably isn't much different now), army was the easiest to get, followed by navy , followed by air force for which it was practically impossible to get off of the waitlist. Apparently air force is the smallest branch for physicians, has the cushiest bases, and the cushiest work environment. Therefore it is very popular, with not many spots available. If you picked air force, and are waitlisted, well... good luck.

p.s. - i posted this info last summer/fall but i guess it went unnoticed...

Slugbutton · Mar 23, 2005

That was good info.

I'm sure it didn't go unnoticed, there is just sooo much info on this site to pick through. I called today and was told that the order of merit on the waitlist is a combination of your academics, DODMERB qualified, when you interviewed, and the branch you've been put on the list for. This then shifts as new people interview and are added somewhere on the list according to their stats. I'm not sure what they hold as the most important, if anything. That's the jist of what I got. Hope it helps a little.

BOHICA-FIGMO · Mar 23, 2005

Just curious: does currently being on active duty carry any weight regarding wait list placement? It wouldn't seem right to make a 33 year old O-4 with 11 years on active duty go HPSP while some baby-faced 22 year old, fresh out of State U. with no military experience, goes to USUHS. That would be just wrong...ooh so wrong...

AubreyMaturin · Mar 23, 2005

Celiac Plexus said:
The following info on the USUHS waitlist was garnered from the adcom, and students there during the application cycle of 1998-9....

At your interview, you have to fill out a form on which you state your preference of branch assignment. Although there is some small print that basically says that you will consider any spot, this rank/preference thing is extrememly important for your acceptance chances to USUHS.

Here is how the adcom uses this info: they take your #1 choice and if you are accepted and pass all the physical/security crap, and if a spot is available in your #1 choice, they will offer that spot to you. If your #1 choice branch has no spot available then you are placed on the waitlist for that branch. Later on if a spot opens up in your #1 branch, and your name is at the top of the waitlist for that branch, then you will be offerred the spot.

So you can see how this preference plays a big role in whether you will get a spot. Let me give you an example in case you still don't see how the preference thing can work against you. Let's say 2 guys are accepted at the same time. Guy A put army at the top of his preference list. Guy B put air force at the top of his list. Even though these applicants are identical in every objective, and subjective way, the army guy gets an offer because there are open spaces in the army, and the air force guy gets waitlisted and never gets in because the air force waitlist never really moves.

When I applied in '98-'99 I put navy as my first choice. I was told by students there to put army as my first choice since the aramy has the most spots available, and has the biggest quota for USUHS... also the army waitlist moved a lot faster because of this. But I decided that if I was going to go to USUHS, I wanted to be in the navy (kind of a family tradition thing). I was accepted and placed on the navy waitlist. Well I got a call in June of '99 from the USUHS adcom asking me if I would be willing to take an army spot if one opened up. The lady fromt he adcom said that the army waitlist was the fastest moving list and it looked like the list would be exhausted any moment... there were only a couple of people left on the army waitlist. Anyway, I wound up withdrawing my name at that time from the waitlist since I was already accepted at a different med school.

To summarize, it matters a whole lot which branch you put down on that form. If you get waitlisted, you get put on a waitlist for your #1 branch choice. If your preferred branch take many people off of the waitlist, and you interview very late in the cycle, you are essentially dooming your chances at USUHS. Consider that when I appliied (and it probably isn't much different now), army was the easiest to get, followed by navy , followed by air force for which it was practically impossible to get off of the waitlist. Apparently air force is the smallest branch for physicians, has the cushiest bases, and the cushiest work environment. Therefore it is very popular, with not many spots available. If you picked air force, and are waitlisted, well... good luck.

p.s. - i posted this info last summer/fall but i guess it went unnoticed...

Good info,
I posted it under the USUHS sticky thread, so it won't go unnoticed again. Out of curiosity, why did you decide not to join the Navy and go to USUHS?

Tabi04 · Mar 29, 2005

Still waiting for ANY news...

Still working on getting DoDMERB qualified...

This kills!

AubreyMaturin · Mar 29, 2005

Tabi04 said:
Still waiting for ANY news...

Still working on getting DoDMERB qualified...

This kills!

Yeah,
I have been DODMERB qualified, and I am still waiting for my unconditional. And I can't get an answer as to why I am still waiting. At least you guys know that you probably won't hear anything until after May15.
Good luck to all, I hope USUHS goes deep into the waitlist

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