LMAO, so if the speed limit in New York is 65mph and I drive 70mph in Texas a DPS trooper will give me a ticket?
That's your call. The point is to not be on here telling people that nothing will happen to them going 70mph.
LMAO, so if the speed limit in New York is 65mph and I drive 70mph in Texas a DPS trooper will give me a ticket?
Thanks for calling me out for trying to get people fired. You caught me, I just can’t admit when I am wrong. I think everyone will sleep a little better knowing you are looking out for them.
Literally the only information I have spread is quoting the Federal Register and the DEA response to comments. In my dozens of posts I may have gone on to expand on my own interpritations but the core of my messages has been a direct quotation.
That's your call. The point is to not be on here telling people that nothing will happen to them going 70mph.
I think you went well beyond quoting. You inferred that "forward" means "transfer" and that "original prescription information" to mean it's okay to transfer the original fill.
What else can forward mean? There is literally no other definition in the pharmacy world. If it means something else, perhaps the DEA should say so.
The "original prescription information" is their response to being asked if unfilled controls can be transferred. So..yeah. What else can it possibly mean? Your mental gymnastics are exhausting.
And even if you disagree, I still quoted my source. So the info is right there to be read. It's not like I made claims and provided no source for that claim.
Why not come out and say that forward means transfer then? Why used a different word? Why is the sky blue? You have so many questions but you are okay with making this interpretation. I mean tons of people have already asked for clarification after this commentary and yet...still nothing.
So if it's illegal for a pharmacist licensed in New York to transfer a prescription, and they give a transfer to a pharmacist licensed in Texas but not New York, is the pharmacist in Texas in trouble?
What if the pharmacist in a Texas pharmacy who is licensed in NY and TX?
you should look that up. I'm not doing your dirty work for you...lmao. it's not my job to figure out your situation.
He would need a lawyer to look that up. A real one. Pharmacists aren't capable of interpreting laws themselves.
Also I think the question was rhetorical, although I don't want to put words in his mouth.
Also I think the question was rhetorical, although I don't want to put words in his mouth.
Maybe Saul?
So if it's illegal for a pharmacist licensed in New York to transfer a prescription, and they give a transfer to a pharmacist licensed in Texas but not New York, is the pharmacist in Texas in trouble?
What if the pharmacist in a Texas pharmacy who is licensed in NY and TX?
How is this still going, the dea answered the question and said yes you can.
Is this sarcasm? They did, I read the response.Sorry, they didn't. YOU may think they did though.
Is this sarcasm? They did, I read the response.
When a commenter said they didn't address if an original prescription never filled could be transferred, the response was the dea permits the transfer of the original prescription.
You clearly must be trolling. This is exactly what it says.it does not say that though...they just responded by referring back to current regulations. i mean this where everyone has an issue.
You clearly must be trolling. This is exactly what it says.
No it doesn't. Lmao. quote it. I mean you think everyone has a conspiracy against the DEA by questioning this?
I did quote it, the dea permits the transfer of the original prescription. That was the response to the question regarding transferring the original unfilled prescription.
Thread closed(my wife gets a big kick out of these)
So you're telling me the terms prescription refill information and original prescription information are the same thing? If you think that's true that's fine, that's your interpretation."DEA Response. As DEA explained in the NPRM, the existing requirements for transfers of Schedule III, IV, and V controlled substances prescriptions remain unchanged. DEA currently permits the transfer of original prescription information for a prescription in Schedules III, IV, and V on a one-time basis. "
See that doesn't say what you claims it says. The DEA defers this back to current regulations where transfers can only be done for the purpose of refill dispensing...not the original fill. The transfer of the original prescription information does not equal the transfer of the original fill.
The word transfer implies that it has the capacity to be filled since that is the purpose of transferring therefore transferring original rx info includes the possibility of filling it"DEA Response. As DEA explained in the NPRM, the existing requirements for transfers of Schedule III, IV, and V controlled substances prescriptions remain unchanged. DEA currently permits the transfer of original prescription information for a prescription in Schedules III, IV, and V on a one-time basis. "
See that doesn't say what you claims it says. The DEA defers this back to current regulations where transfers can only be done for the purpose of refill dispensing...not the original fill. The transfer of the original prescription information does not equal the transfer of the original fill.
The word transfer implies that it has the capacity to be filled since that is the purpose of transferring therefore transferring original rx info includes the possibility of filling it
Any numbnut would know though that the sole reason an rx would be transferred is to be filled...How about you stop implying. I mean the DEA has been asked repeatedly to clarify this and they have not...which is the most troubling part. That's why everyone is erring on the stricter interpretation.
So you're telling me the terms prescription refill information and original prescription information are the same thing? If you think that's true that's fine, that's your interpretation.
Any numbnut would know though that the sole reason an rx would be transferred is to be filled...
Yet they say explicitly that original rx info can be transferred (obviously to be filled). Why the eff would they say that then?Yea, you can transfer the original script information for the purpose of refilling. they were simply reciting the current regulations.
of course not...the wording implies that they are not. just like using "forward" instead of "transfer." you are implying that they are the same, others are not doing that. the DEA has been asked repeatedly after this commentary to clarify this and they have not. so the logical thing is to err on the stricter interpretation.
Yet they say explicitly that original rx info can be transferred (obviously to be filled). Why the eff would they say that then?
Again that's fine that you interpret it that way but if an independent transferred an original prescription information they could show that as proof and would not get in trouble
How could they? If they did then the dea would actually have to admit what they mean lol.
What I'm saying though is no one could get in trouble if an independent transferred it.I mean it's not just me...it's the whole industry now. Until the DEA clarifies this, this is the new norm.
What I'm saying though is no one could get in trouble if an independent transferred it.
They saw the question, the dea said original prescription info is permitted to be transferred.
At this point, if the dea really wanted to crack down, they would have already.
I agree somewhat. I don't think anyone is out to get anybody, but I would still not do these transfers right now. I think the most troubling part is that the DEA has refused to clarified further, even knowing that people are confused and even after seeing practicing changes in pharmacies. I think this vagueness gives them more prosecution power later on if they need to use it. I think the corporate lawyers see this as well.
Aside from “the original prescription information” what else do you provide as part of a transfer? Do you mail them a commemorative pin? A certificate of authenticity? A cookie?"DEA Response. As DEA explained in the NPRM, the existing requirements for transfers of Schedule III, IV, and V controlled substances prescriptions remain unchanged. DEA currently permits the transfer of original prescription information for a prescription in Schedules III, IV, and V on a one-time basis. "
See that doesn't say what you claims it says. The DEA defers this back to current regulations where transfers can only be done for the purpose of refill dispensing...not the original fill. The transfer of the original prescription information does not equal the transfer of the original fill.
I think this vagueness gives them more prosecution power later on if they need to use it. I think the corporate lawyers see this as well.
I agree on the vagueness part- especially when it involves more than one state.
Say for example a drug like Fioricet that is controlled substance in one state and not the other. Would you still be able to 'transfer/forward' a new/never filled prescription?
What if it was a refill of an RX, but had been issued prn refills in the state it wasn't a control, then transferred the RX to the state to which it is controlled using a real-time database?
Aside from “the original prescription information” what else do you provide as part of a transfer? Do you mail them a commemorative pin? A certificate of authenticity? A cookie?
You would have to ask the DEA because neither yours nor anyone's interpretation of that means anything here. Oh wait, looks like people have already asked the DEA and they haven't responded...too bad.
So, I've come up with a solution:
Fill the Rx, verify it, and put it in will call.
THEN RTS IT AND PUT IT ON HOLD.
Boom.
It has now been filled once.
OR, fill the initial fill for 0 tablets.
Nowhere in the regulation does it say "filled and picked up"
The DEA did respond. Why do you think they didn't respond? We are talking about their response to the question you are claiming they haven't responded to.
My question is, how many times do they have to answer the same question to satisfy you?
How does that even work? Drug schedules are determined by the DEA and federal government.