Wayne State University part 01

[oldjeeps]

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Anyone else finding the Immuno text to be a good cure for insomnia on these hot and sticky nights?

 

[Shangal]

why don't you use the air conditioner, that seems to work for me


by the way, there is a book for this class? I thought it was just a myth!

 

[deowolf04]

Anyone else finding the Immuno text to be a good cure for insomnia on these hot and sticky nights?

I tend to avoid studying right before I go to bed. That way, my brain does not try to keep studying after I close my eyes. But, yes, the text is quite dry, especially today's reading from chapter 20.

 

[oldjeeps]

why don't you use the air conditioner, that seems to work for me

Because that would require remembering where I put it, cleaning the dust off from it and plugging it in (not to mention that I would prefer not to see the impact of running one on my electric bill).

 

[oldjeeps]

So what did the rest of you think of that Immuno exam?

My thoughts: BOHICA

 

[Shangal]

It was interesting. No idea what the answers are going to be for a couple of those questions.

 

[katrinadams9]

So what did the rest of you think of that Immuno exam?

My thoughts: BOHICA

Who the hell knows? At first I thought the test wasn't so bad, but it just kept getting worse and worse... Damn Montgomery and his stupid useless facts...

 

[Shangal]

my god, immunology is over. I just realized that now that I am looking at my micro notes. Why isn't school getting more interesting for me.
Anyways, katrina, thanks for that email you sent to the class. more people in the class should do what you did. I heard last year's class all helped eachother like that and since our class is the worse, in terms of helping eachother out, in wayne state history, the admission committee re-evaluated their acception criteria so they don't end up like a class like ours. So when you sent that email, and that other kid, I thought our class isn't that bad after all.

 

[oldjeeps]

my god, immunology is over. I just realized that now that I am looking at my micro notes. Why isn't school getting more interesting for me.
Anyways, katrina, thanks for that email you sent to the class. more people in the class should do what you did. I heard last year's class all helped eachother like that and since our class is the worse, in terms of helping eachother out, in wayne state history, the admission committee re-evaluated their acception criteria so they don't end up like a class like ours. So when you sent that email, and that other kid, I thought our class isn't that bad after all.

Don’t tell me that you are prereading.

Anyone else really not looking forward to clin med tomorrow? I think that I am going to have a really hard time dragging myself into Scott Hall to sit through another Burack lecture.

I had not heard that they modified the admission criteria. But like I have heard said before ‘med school is too hard to do on your own; you need to have your friends (and classmates) there to save you.’

 

[Shangal]

that's true. you got to make a couple of friends.
And hell no I am not pre-reading. I was just looking at today's lecture. I am to brain dead after not sleeping yesterday.

 

[Shangal]

am I the only person out there reading these lecture notes and just cracking up. What the hell! It's worse then reading gibbrish. This might be the worse unit in med school so far

 

[katrinadams9]

Here's some dirty acronyms to help you guys remember the antibiotics and they way they function... I would send 'em out to the whole class, but I don't want to offend some of our more uptight collegues. 😉

Inhibitors of cell wall synthesis:
penny's = penicillin
lips = lipoprotein
carry = carbopenems
mono = monobactams
syphillis = cephalosporins
& gonorrhea = glycopeptides

anti-ribosomal agents:
man, = macrolides
amanda's = aminoglycosides
low = linezoid
slung = synercid
tits = tetracyclines
closely = chloramphenicol
cling = clindamycin

agents that interfere with nucleic acid synthesis:
slutty = sulfonamides
trina = trimethoprim
quietly = quinolones
nibbles = nitrofuratoin
men = methronidazole

anti-tuberculosis agents:
isabel = isoniazid
rims = rifampin
paul = pyrazinamide
& ethel = ethambutol
strips = streptomycin

 

[ddmo]

👍

Hilarious!

 

[Flobber]

Here's some dirty acronyms to help you guys remember the antibiotics and they way they function... I would send 'em out to the whole class, but I don't want to offend some of our more uptight collegues. 😉

Inhibitors of cell wall synthesis:
penny's = penicillin
lips = lipoprotein
carry = carbopenems
mono = monobactams
syphillis = cephalosporins
& gonorrhea = glycopeptides

anti-ribosomal agents:
man, = macrolides
amanda's = aminoglycosides
low = linezoid
slung = synercid
tits = tetracyclines
closely = chloramphenicol
cling = clindamycin

agents that interfere with nucleic acid synthesis:
slutty = sulfonamides
trina = trimethoprim
quietly = quinolones
nibbles = nitrofuratoin
men = methronidazole

anti-tuberculosis agents:
isabel = isoniazid
rims = rifampin
paul = pyrazinamide
& ethel = ethambutol
strips = streptomycin

Who said our class doesn't help each other out?

Do you guys think we are actually expected to know all of the little details from these lectures? For example, in host-parasite relationships, Jackson lists some microorganism for almost every bit of information he presents as an example... we're not supposed to memorize those, are we? This unit sucks. It sucks bad. Oh, it's bad. So bad.

 

[katrinadams9]

Who said our class doesn't help each other out?

Do you guys think we are actually expected to know all of the little details from these lectures? For example, in host-parasite relationships, Jackson lists some microorganism for almost every bit of information he presents as an example... we're not supposed to memorize those, are we? This unit sucks. It sucks bad. Oh, it's bad. So bad.

Jackson said for this exam we don't need to know the specific examples, just the general characteristics. Lerner also said the same about the antibiotics lectures: don't memorize the drugs in each class, just know the classes and the characteristics of each class. I think that's plenty to memorize right there.

 

[oldjeeps]

This unit sucks. It sucks bad. Oh, it's bad. So bad.

Agreed.
Especially that last lecture today.

I have a feeling that the next week is going to be really painful. At least we get a weekend off after this next exam.

 

[oldjeeps]

Jackson said for this exam we don't need to know the specific examples, just the general characteristics. Lerner also said the same about the antibiotics lectures: don't memorize the drugs in each class, just know the classes and the characteristics of each class. I think that's plenty to memorize right there.

Unfortunately, I do not believe much of anything that Jackson says. After all he is the reason that we all had to get the stupid PDAs (which is why he is on his kick to force us to use them).

 

[fun8stuff]

Here's some dirty acronyms to help you guys remember the antibiotics and they way they function... I would send 'em out to the whole class, but I don't want to offend some of our more uptight collegues. 😉

Inhibitors of cell wall synthesis:
penny's = penicillin
lips = lipoprotein
carry = carbopenems
mono = monobactams
syphillis = cephalosporins
& gonorrhea = glycopeptides

anti-ribosomal agents:
man, = macrolides
amanda's = aminoglycosides
low = linezoid
slung = synercid
tits = tetracyclines
closely = chloramphenicol
cling = clindamycin

agents that interfere with nucleic acid synthesis:
slutty = sulfonamides
trina = trimethoprim
quietly = quinolones
nibbles = nitrofuratoin
men = methronidazole

anti-tuberculosis agents:
isabel = isoniazid
rims = rifampin
paul = pyrazinamide
& ethel = ethambutol
strips = streptomycin

so do u guys use mneumonics a lot (for like everything)? a few people i have been talking to sure seem to. I have always used them very litte... like maybe for things like SItS and DR CUMA and So Long To Pinky, Here Comes The Thumb and TAN, but that's about it... should i start using more? 😱

 

[ddmo]

I think it depends on the student. I myself don't rely on them too much, just because I feel like it is only more stuff to memorize. However, the cranial nerve one, navl to navel, army over navy, and water under the bridge, I did use and like (all from anatomy).

 

[oldjeeps]

so do u guys use mneumonics a lot (for like everything)? a few people i have been talking to sure seem to. I have always used them very litte... like maybe for things like SItS and DR CUMA and So Long To Pinky, Here Comes The Thumb and TAN, but that's about it... should i start using more? 😱

As ddmoore said (and you have probably heard a thousand time already) it all depends on what type of learner you are.
However, if you are the mnemonics type then I would suggest a visit to http://www.medicalmnemonics.com/; unless you are one of those people that insist on making up their own mnemonics.

It might be different for everyone else, but I felt like there really wasn’t much use for mnemonics in first year after anatomy. Of course maybe if I made more use of them I would be doing better on some of these exams.

 

[deowolf04]

As ddmoore said (and you have probably heard a thousand time already) it all depends on what type of learner you are.
However, if you are the mnemonics type then I would suggest a visit to http://www.medicalmnemonics.com/; unless you are one of those people that insist on making up their own mnemonics.

It might be different for everyone else, but I felt like there really wasn’t much use for mnemonics in first year after anatomy. Of course maybe if I made more use of them I would be doing better on some of these exams.

I haven't used mnemonics all that much since anatomy, although the ones we came up with in the gross lab last year were memorable. For all my fellow second years, the mnemonics in Micro Made Ridiculously Simple are also good, especially for the antibacterials we've covered so far.

 

[AStudent]

What are those for?

so do u guys use mneumonics a lot (for like everything)? a few people i have been talking to sure seem to. I have always used them very litte... like maybe for things like SItS and DR CUMA and So Long To Pinky, Here Comes The Thumb and TAN, but that's about it... should i start using more? 😱

 

[fun8stuff]

so do u guys use mneumonics a lot (for like everything)? a few people i have been talking to sure seem to. I have always used them very litte... like maybe for things like SItS and DR CUMA and So Long To Pinky, Here Comes The Thumb and TAN, but that's about it... should i start using more? 😱

SItS = rotator cuff muscles: supraspinatus, infraspinatus, teres minor, subscapular

DR CUMA: R -> Drop wrist, U -> Claw hand, Median -> Ape hand

So Long to Pinky, Here Comes The Thumb: metacarples starting at scaphoid and going toward the pinky.... (also: Some Lovers Try Positions That They Can't Handle)

TAN: describes order of things in cubital fossa: (lateral) tendon artery nerve (medial) (biceps tendon, brachial artery, median nerve)


So do you have any good ones? Those are the only ones that I have really found useful- but they are just ones i have heard other people using.

 

[ddmo]

I think it depends on the student. I myself don't rely on them too much, just because I feel like it is only more stuff to memorize. However, the cranial nerve one, navl to navel, army over navy, and water under the bridge, I did use and like (all from anatomy).

Since there was some confusion about these ones, I'll post them for the MSI's.

Upper Limb

Army over navy: Suprascapular artery superior to suprascapular nerve

Head and Neck

Cranial nerves;
Ohh (olfactory)
Ohh (optic)
Ohh (oculomotor)
To (trochlear)
Touch (trigeminal)
And (abducens)
Feel (facial)
A (auditory/vestibular)
Girl's (glossopharyngeal)
Vagina (vagus)
And (accessory)
Hymen (hypoglossal)

Abdomen/Perineum

Water over the bridge: Uterine Artery anterior to the ureter

Lower Limb

Navl to Navel: The order of vessels in the femoral sheath from lateral to medial is; nerve, artery, vein, lymphatics

 

[Shangal]

I hate microbiology, I hate immunology. I hate everything that is med school related. I hate wayne state. I hate exams. I am just full of hate at this point.
And what did you think about our last exam, good stuff?

 

[oldjeeps]

I hate microbiology, I hate immunology. I hate everything that is med school related. I hate wayne state. I hate exams. I am just full of hate at this point.
And what did you think about our last exam, good stuff?

I just kept thinking (especially with those resistance questions) that I would like to go with a write in answer of "request ID consult". Is that a bad thing?

Honestly not looking forward to seeing those scores go up. I have a gut feeling (which is frequently wrong) that the class average is about to take a dive.

 

[JonD-08]

I hear that.

Didn't the professors make these statements:
Jackson: "All you have to know for drugs is the mechanism"
Lerner: "You don't need to know the names of the individual drugs, just the classes and subclasses"
?

I bet someone in our class aces it anyway.

 

[deowolf04]

I just kept thinking (especially with those resistance questions) that I would like to go with a write in answer of "request ID consult". Is that a bad thing?

Honestly not looking forward to seeing those scores go up. I have a gut feeling (which is frequently wrong) that the class average is about to take a dive.

There is basically no chance that the average takes a dive. When you consider our averages last year and that we crushed 2007's immuno average by 10% (if my source is credible), I don't see our average for this exam being anything less than 80%.

 

[katrinadams9]

Does anyone else think it was ****ty how they put so many different drugs on there that they told us specifically not to memorize? Also, what the f**k was up with all the bugs we never learned about? They could have at least restricted the question info to things we actually learned about in class!!!!

FYI: For all of ya'll who don't have the Mims and are thinking of buying it... try to find it cheap online, otherwise it's not worth it for all of 52 practice Q's on the stupid online part. I think there were a total of 2-3 questions on the exam from the online Mims. Also, if you all haven't discovered the wonderful online interactives thru blackboard, it's time to look at those. Almost all of those questions were on the exam WORD FOR WORD!!! It's under Course Material, Supplemental Material, Interactives. It really helped me on this exam and I only looked at those Q's Friday morning...

 

[Shangal]

do you guys remember any questions coming from the case studies. I thought that was a waste of my time

 

[oldjeeps]

do you guys remember any questions coming from the case studies. I thought that was a waste of my time

Don't recall seeing any that were obviously from the case studies (like they had for Immuno).

I bet someone in our class aces it anyway.

I hate saying it, but I would not be surprised. Too darned many geniuses in our class.

 

[ddmo]

I thought the exam was reasonable with the exception of the resistance questions. Those were just ridiculous. Last time I checked, we didn't just finish our ID residency. Whatever, we can't get bent out of shape over every outlandish question. Just gotta let it role off of you.

 

[Evil X]

I thought the exam was reasonable with the exception of the resistance questions. Those were just ridiculous. Last time I checked, we didn't just finish our ID residency. Whatever, we can't get bent out of shape over every outlandish question. Just gotta let it role off of you.

That is the right attitude. Its only a few questions in the grand sceme of things. If you hit yourself for every question you got wrong, you'd be pretty sore by the end of second year.

PS. just look forward to third and especially fourth year. Yeah!

 

[fun8stuff]

That is the right attitude. Its only a few questions in the grand sceme of things. If you hit yourself for every question you got wrong, you'd be pretty sore by the end of second year.

PS. just look forward to third and especially fourth year. Yeah!

i wish i was a fourth year... 🙁

 

[oldjeeps]

i wish i was a fourth year... 🙁

I thought that you were a first year?
Consequently you are not allowed to think that way yet. Especially since you have yet to live through the joy of your first round of exams.

 

[fun8stuff]

I thought that you were a first year?
Consequently you are not allowed to think that way yet. Especially since you have yet to live through the joy of your first round of exams.

first years can't dream?

 

[oldjeeps]

first years can't dream?

Sure, you can dream. But if you are dreaming about something that is that far away it is going to make the next four years of being “Wayned” even more painful for you. Especially since you have yet to deal with everyone’s favorite 🙄 department – testing services.

 

[deowolf04]

i wish i was a fourth year... 🙁

In the immortal words of Burgess Meredith in Grumpier Old Men: "You can wish in one hand and crap in the other, and see which one gets filled first." 😉

But seriously, you guys should be only thinking of passing each round of exams, not looking that far ahead. I'm not even dreaming of third year yet, just working to pass Micro at this point. The Scott Hall timewarp will set in soon enough for you first years, and before you know it, it will be Thanksgiving and you'll have no idea where the months went.

 

[Shangal]

I was talking with a couple of first years today about their anatomy final and man I felt bad for them. I think those days were the worse in my life. And I can't see myself studying for those two hard hard exams yet taking a whole day to take them again. In the name of all that is holly (am I misspelling that) and great that was crazy. Now that I think about it, thank god I am a second year now and don't have to worry about those days no more. All I have to do now is worry about 2 hour exams that I get every two weeks.
I guess I am living it large now. Living it large!
Oh yeah, and good luck to all you first years, just don't panick like I did last year when I got my Z-score. I guess if you get a 500 or above you are good

 

[Thrice]

T- 12 hours and counting for the MS1's.

Anyone else finding it hard to focus right now?

I want a beer so bad.

 

[katrinadams9]

Oh yeah, and good luck to all you first years, just don't panick like I did last year when I got my Z-score. I guess if you get a 500 or above you are good

While I agree with Shangal about not panicking when you see your Z-score, I disagree about the being above 500... as long as you're above the danger zone (aka the failure zone) then it's all good.

Good luck all you MSI's!!!!

 

[fun8stuff]

T- 12 hours and counting for the MS1's.

Anyone else finding it hard to focus right now?

I want a beer so bad.

ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... 😱 we have an exam tomorrow? what do you mean?

 

[Shangal]

yeah, katrina's right. passing is good.
You are competing with med students. I don't think we have dumb people in our classes, so being in the middle is not that bad. That's all I was saying.
Oh yeah, and just in case you guys don't know what a z-score is, it goes something like this

400 and under (bottom 15 percentile)
500 (50th percentile)
600 and above (top 15th percentile)

so if you get 600s you will honor the class, and then they give you an overall grade in the end of the year which is pretty much an average of all of your z-scores combined.

good luck again. My only advice for the practicals is draw the brachial plexus before the exam starts, it really helps no matter how much you know it

 

[ddmo]

I don't think we have dumb people in our classes

Hmmm.... not sure about this one. I can say for sure that there are people that the thought of them practicing scares me....

 

[Evil X]

In the immortal words of Burgess Meredith in Grumpier Old Men: "You can wish in one hand and crap in the other, and see which one gets filled first." 😉

But seriously, you guys should be only thinking of passing each round of exams, not looking that far ahead. I'm not even dreaming of third year yet, just working to pass Micro at this point. The Scott Hall timewarp will set in soon enough for you first years, and before you know it, it will be Thanksgiving and you'll have no idea where the months went.

I agree. EVERYONE has to pay their dues(yours may be a little higher than mine, sorry for the bad joke) along this path that you chose to walk.

 

[katrinadams9]

Hmmm.... not sure about this one. I can say for sure that there are people that the thought of them practicing scares me....

Some of those people aren't necessarily in the bottom of the class either... a few of 'em are the really smart people that have no people skills. I'm afraid to see what their bedside manner will be like! 😱

 

[oldjeeps]

Some of those people aren't necessarily in the bottom of the class either... a few of 'em are the really smart people that have no people skills. I'm afraid to see what their bedside manner will be like! 😱

I have to agree with that.
I think the ones that scare me the most are the ones that are book smart and people stupid.
Generally the ones that hang out at the lower end of the class are more aware of the limitations of their knowledge/skills, while the ones at the top might be more inclined to get into trouble because they did not realize (or would not admit) when they were getting in over their heads.

 

[Evil X]

What can we do to help the hurricane victims? I've been watching the developments and it saddens and concerns me to see people in such despair. Plus, I've been trying to call my friend who is a nurse in Mississippi and have not been able to get through.

 

[katrinadams9]

What can we do to help the hurricane victims? I've been watching the developments and it saddens and concerns me to see people in such despair. Plus, I've been trying to call my friend who is a nurse in Mississippi and have not been able to get through.

There's going to be a Red Cross representative in the Scott Hall cafe at lunch tomorrow (Thurs) available to take donations for the disaster relief fund. There will also be a blood drive next week....

 

[Shangal]

the class average was 81%, that's insane. Does anyone in our class have a life? I guess this was the wrong class to be in med school with. I'll do anything for a class with an average in the 60s, just once!
I wonder how next year's class is going to perform on this anatomy exam. If they get an average in the 60s, I am going to modify and be in their class.