Wayne State University part 01

[JonD-08]

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What'd you guys think of the exam? Personally, I got railed. Maybe if I fail a test it will be motivation to work harder and not procrastinate? 😛

One thousand posts on this thread, by the way.

 

[katrinadams9]

What'd you guys think of the exam? Personally, I got railed. Maybe if I fail a test it will be motivation to work harder and not procrastinate? 😛

One thousand posts on this thread, by the way.

I totally agree. Sad thing is, I was pretty well prepared for that exam. I don't even think any more studying would have helped.... 😡

 

[ddmo]

The real question is what is Jenny going to do, as she is the one who is responsible for this "leadership."

Probably give more speaches on the importance of education in preventing the state's brain drain, while feverously cutting education funding, pushing for physican taxes, and doing whatever she can to make us want to leave.

What a waste she has been as governor, I really hope she doesn't get re-elected.

 

[Rodney Munch]

Probably give more speaches on the importance of education in preventing the state's brain drain, while feverously cutting education funding, pushing for physican taxes, and doing whatever she can to make us want to leave.

What a waste she has been as governor, I really hope she doesn't get re-elected.

Agreed. I would hate to "call out" President Irving Reid and new Dean Mentzer, but I have to ask them what they are going to do about this situation. Are they going to sit back and watch the collapse of a medical school or are they going to say enough is enough. Are they going to step in and save the day? How much of this BS are they going to tolerate? Where are you Drs. Reed and Mentzer?

 

[WingsBelieve84]

I'm thinking about attending next fall and I'm hoping you could tell me about your experience. Thanks!

 

[Rodney Munch]

I'm thinking about attending next fall and I'm hoping you could tell me about your experience. Thanks!

Please read the previous posts concerning the stability between the medical school and the DMC.

 

[Evil X]

Nothing is going to dramatically happen. I have been assured by all parties involved that the education of students and residents are their top priorities. A lot of this just has to do with money and power. The bottom line is that they cannot exist without each other. DMC can not function without residents and except to hire a whole new set of physicians because that people who want to be here are already here. WSUSOM can not function without the DMC, it would lose a lot of credibility.

 

[Rodney Munch]

Nothing is going to dramatically happen. I have been assured by all parties involved that the education of students and residents are their top priorities. A lot of this just has to do with money and power. The bottom line is that they cannot exist without each other. DMC can not function without residents and except to hire a whole new set of physicians because that people who want to be here are already here. WSUSOM can not function without the DMC, it would lose a lot of credibility.

I'm glad that someone is reassuring the students, however I'm curious who gave you this info...I just feel like the person that told you this also has a bridge to sell. Just my $0.02...I know, you know, and the average sensible person off the street knows that both parties would be hard pressed to exist without each other, however, I don't think most people realize who is actually making these decisions. The DMC board is led by a person who is a political bulldog well known to SE Michigan and he will not back down, period. He has stacked the board in his favor with other political types and they are ready to see this work out in their favor, no matter the cost.

 

[Flobber]

Sorry to get off topic but... if the scores for CV were posted today, would someone mind posting the average scores for it and pharm? Thank you much.

 

[JonD-08]

Scores weren't up when I left at 4:30pm ... everybody don't forget about evals if you haven't done them yet

 

[fun8stuff]

Scores weren't up when I left at 4:30pm ... everybody don't forget about evals if you haven't done them yet

so is that one guy normally give students a hard time if they forget to do evals? i went in one time (like 15 mins after they were posted after i had completed the eval) and he was like, "uhm, yeah... i already checked scores today... check back tomorrow... mmmmhmm kay...". then he went back to reading CNN on his computer.

 

[kyle_fater]

I'm not sure about other schools, but as a u-grad student at WSU and being in a field where I come in contact with the medical students on a daily basis, I can say that not only are our female med students very intelligent, but they are pretty dang good looking and very social - not the types that will ignore you or well "socially ******ed". Only the best things to say about our med students. Keep up the good work!

 

[fun8stuff]

I'm not sure about other schools, but as a u-grad student at WSU and being in a field where I come in contact with the medical students on a daily basis, I can say that not only are our female med students very intelligent, but they are pretty dang good looking and very social - not the types that will ignore you or well "socially ******ed". Only the best things to say about our med students. Keep up the good work!

where'd this come from? is this some sort of sdn pickup line?

 

[katrinadams9]

I'm not sure about other schools, but as a u-grad student at WSU and being in a field where I come in contact with the medical students on a daily basis, I can say that not only are our female med students very intelligent, but they are pretty dang good looking and very social - not the types that will ignore you or well "socially ******ed". Only the best things to say about our med students. Keep up the good work!

WTF??? I agree that there are some hotties in my class (myself included, ahem), but where did you come from and how the hell did that relate to any of the previous convo? Also, you might want to work on that english of yours.... Yes, I'm a b!tch. 😛

 

[kyle_fater]

where'd this come from? is this some sort of sdn pickup line?

no pickup line...just the truth

 

[kyle_fater]

Here's my thoughts.

Since we seem to have some regular WSU SOM posters on here I thought about making a thread where we could discuss classes, bash prof's, and generally let off steam...without a title on the thread that leads everyone to believe that WSU sucks.

What do ya'll think? Well I know what I think...

So let the debate/ranting/questions begin!

Which of the DMC doctors do you think gives the best lecture(s)?

 

[Shangal]

fun8stuff, yeah speece is a waste of space, he has a job that needs no effort and yet he manages to take 5 days to do it. I mean how hard is it to post grades, it's a scan tron for god sake, we should get our grades by the end of the day. He doesn't even put the effort into emailing the grades becasue it will take an extra 5 minutes of his time to do that.

And kyle, you are hillarious, you will do just fine in med school parties with that line. I guess I should try it more often, maybe then $#^% $%^$% will talk to me

 

[fun8stuff]

no pickup line...just the truth

spoken like a true player 👍

 

[kyle_fater]

fun8stuff, yeah speece is a waste of space, he has a job that needs no effort and yet he manages to take 5 days to do it. I mean how hard is it to post grades, it's a scan tron for god sake, we should get our grades by the end of the day. He doesn't even put the effort into emailing the grades becasue it will take an extra 5 minutes of his time to do that.

And kyle, you are hillarious, you will do just fine in med school parties with that line. I guess I should try it more often, maybe then $#^% $%^$% will talk to me

I'm not sure if he still teaches at the med school or not, but speaking of lazy @** teachers. Do you guys have Dr. Joich? He's known for teaching anatomy, neuropath, and maybe pathophys. Anyhow the guy has hair like crusty clown (just this big poof in areas that aren't balding), studdars all the time (every other word is uggghh the ughhhh haha), and well he's a fricken pimp to. As a teacher he started datings of the physician assistant students here at WSU. I mean come on he's like late 40's early 50's and pulls a hot girl in her late 20's. Anyhow he's the most boring teacher I know of. Say do you guys get any lectures from Dr. Gail Bentley? How do you like her lectures?

 

[cfdavid]

I'm not sure if he still teaches at the med school or not, but speaking of lazy @** teachers. Do you guys have Dr. Joich? He's known for teaching anatomy, neuropath, and maybe pathophys. Anyhow the guy has hair like crusty clown (just this big poof in areas that aren't balding), studdars all the time (every other word is uggghh the ughhhh haha), and well he's a fricken pimp to. As a teacher he started datings of the physician assistant students here at WSU. I mean come on he's like late 40's early 50's and pulls a hot girl in her late 20's. Anyhow he's the most boring teacher I know of. Say do you guys get any lectures from Dr. Gail Bentley? How do you like her lectures?

ughh the ughh the juxta ughh glomerular ughh ughh apparatus......LOL

 

[katrinadams9]

I'm not sure if he still teaches at the med school or not, but speaking of lazy @** teachers. Do you guys have Dr. Joich? He's known for teaching anatomy, neuropath, and maybe pathophys. Anyhow the guy has hair like crusty clown (just this big poof in areas that aren't balding), studdars all the time (every other word is uggghh the ughhhh haha), and well he's a fricken pimp to. As a teacher he started datings of the physician assistant students here at WSU. I mean come on he's like late 40's early 50's and pulls a hot girl in her late 20's. Anyhow he's the most boring teacher I know of. Say do you guys get any lectures from Dr. Gail Bentley? How do you like her lectures?

Not sure who Dr. Joich is... Dr. Bentley teaches a lot of our path (mostly the hematology stuff, but she also does the lab). I don't think she's a terrible professor, but she totally acts like the stereotypical dumb blond cheerleader type. She goes off on tangents like there's no tomorrow and half the time forgets what she's talking about. She also likes to brag about her daughter who rides a horse in competition.

 

[kyle_fater]

Not sure who Dr. Joich is... Dr. Bentley teaches a lot of our path (mostly the hematology stuff, but she also does the lab). I don't think she's a terrible professor, but she totally acts like the stereotypical dumb blond cheerleader type. She goes off on tangents like there's no tomorrow and half the time forgets what she's talking about. She also likes to brag about her daughter who rides a horse in competition.

Yeah she teaches a lot of our path lectures in the Path Assn't program too. You've got to know her daughter, well her family in general, to understand all that. But overall I think she's a pretty good teacher. Definitely gets side tracked, but look at it as an opportunity to review in your head what she was just talking about. What year are you in anyhow?

 

[katrinadams9]

Yeah she teaches a lot of our path lectures in the Path Assn't program too. You've got to know her daughter, well her family in general, to understand all that. But overall I think she's a pretty good teacher. Definitely gets side tracked, but look at it as an opportunity to review in your head what she was just talking about. What year are you in anyhow?

Second year. Will be a third year in July, thank God!!!

 

[oldjeeps]

Yeah she teaches a lot of our path lectures in the Path Assn't program too. You've got to know her daughter, well her family in general, to understand all that. But overall I think she's a pretty good teacher. Definitely gets side tracked, but look at it as an opportunity to review in your head what she was just talking about. What year are you in anyhow?

Okay, I'll bite... which program are you in? You have referred to the Physician Assistant program and in the above you mention a “Path Assn't program”, which is what? I think that WSU has a mortuary science program, is that what you are referring to?

From some of what she has said, I don't think that I would want to get to know her daughter - especially the stories that make her daughter sound like a spoiled brat.

It would be a rare day that I used an instructor’s tangents as a chance to review what they had been talking about. I usually use that time to give my brain a break so that it doesn't burn out...

 

[kyle_fater]

Okay, I'll bite... which program are you in? You have referred to the Physician Assistant program and in the above you mention a “Path Assn't program”, which is what? I think that WSU has a mortuary science program, is that what you are referring to?

From some of what she has said, I don't think that I would want to get to know her daughter - especially the stories that make her daughter sound like a spoiled brat.

It would be a rare day that I used an instructor’s tangents as a chance to review what they had been talking about. I usually use that time to give my brain a break so that it doesn't burn out...

Its the Pathologist Assistant program...and I never referred to to the Physician Assistant program. If you need me to be really techinical and type in the PA (ASCP) so that you can differentiate then fine. I guess I just assumed wrong. As for her daughter, ya know its like anyone else, you shouldn't judge before you know someone and give them a chance. And you can use your instructor's tangents for what you want...thats your choice.

 

[kyle_fater]

Second year. Will be a third year in July, thank God!!!

Awesome! Good for you! Best of luck. If you need a break during your third year take the pathology rotation - you can pretty much come and go as you please....and the forensics rotation at the WCMEO isn't bad, but it can sure get depressing.

 

[MD'05]

fun8stuff, yeah speece is a waste of space, he has a job that needs no effort and yet he manages to take 5 days to do it. I mean how hard is it to post grades, it's a scan tron for god sake, we should get our grades by the end of the day. He doesn't even put the effort into emailing the grades becasue it will take an extra 5 minutes of his time to do that.

Because he manipulates the grades and curves and all the other bull**** he uses to screw students over. That takes five days worth of effort.

 

[fun8stuff]

Because he manipulates the grades and curves and all the other bull**** he uses to screw students over. That takes five days worth of effort.

so what does that john guy do. you know- the guy who walks around with his bluetooth ear piece acting like he's the bomb.

 

[MD'05]

so what does that john guy do. you know- the guy who walks around with his bluetooth ear piece acting like he's the bomb.

He must have joined the Speece crew after I graduated.

Idiot is going to get brain cancer from his Bluetooth device. Tell him that the next time you see him. He won't be da bomb any longer

 

[AStudent]

Wow, so i check back after a couple of months and wow.....just wow.

41 page thread?! Don't you medical students need to study.


Wait, i'm a medical student....wait.....I should be studying.....damn you Akins!

 

[fun8stuff]

Wow, so i check back after a couple of months and wow.....just wow.

41 page thread?! Don't you medical students need to study.


Wait, i'm a medical student....wait.....I should be studying.....damn you Akins!

study sucks donkey balls.

 

[AStudent]

study sucks donkey balls.

But I need at least a 65 on the final to pass biochem 👎

 

[dancinjenn]

But I need at least a 65 on the final to pass biochem 👎

I'm lucky that I have a little more leeway on biochemistry. However I feel really sorry 🙁 for those people who are right on the line for this course. The third test is bound to be a killer after the current ranting and raving about the second test. No questions out of the back of the book for this one! If only "someone" would have taken into consideration how his comments which he sent to the prof's, and subsequently sent out to all of us, would just screw the entire class for the third test.

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[oldjeeps]

Its the Pathologist Assistant program

Thought that might have been what you meant but was unaware such a program existed at WSU.

I never referred to to the Physician Assistant program.

Except when you were talking about Dr. Joich dating “

physician assistant students here at WSU

”.

As for her daughter, ya know its like anyone else, you shouldn't judge before you know someone and give them a chance.

True, but I have yet to meet a “proud parent” that didn’t try to show off their children in the best possible light – which hasn’t exactly been the case with some of Bentley’s tangents. Besides, she would be too darned young for me. 🙄 🙄

And you can use your instructor's tangents for what you want...thats your choice.

Especially since I’ll be the one paying off my student loans.

 

[kyle_fater]

Wow! I'm not even sure what to say to all that...a little defensive aren't ya? Never thought I was asking for an explaination on everything I've posted, but hey thanks buddy!

Thought that might have been what you meant but was unaware such a program existed at WSU.


Except when you were talking about Dr. Joich dating “”.


True, but I have yet to meet a “proud parent” that didn’t try to show off their children in the best possible light – which hasn’t exactly been the case with some of Bentley’s tangents. Besides, she would be too darned young for me. 🙄 🙄


Especially since I’ll be the one paying off my student loans.

 

[oldjeeps]

a little defensive aren't ya?

some days.

 

[JonD-08]

Let the second years in on this, what happened?

I'm lucky that I have a little more leeway on biochemistry. However I feel really sorry 🙁 for those people who are right on the line for this course. The third test is bound to be a killer after the current ranting and raving about the second test. No questions out of the back of the book for this one! If only "someone" would have taken into consideration how his comments which he sent to the prof's, and subsequently sent out to all of us, would just screw the entire class for the third test.

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[dancinjenn]

Let the second years in on this, what happened?

Ok. We have a new biochem format this year. about 90% of our information comes from a book, the other 10% is Akins lovely DNA lectures. First test happens and low and behold a couple of the professors use questions that are directly out of the back of the book! Amazing! Those of us who used those questions were basically given about 5 or 6 bonus points.

Test 2 rolls around. Most of us figure, hey those profs used q's out of the back of the book for the last test, let's make a point to study them this time around and hope that we get a couple of freebies. This time however a good 20 questions out of a 70 question test are direct copies. So an illustrious classmate sends out the following:

just to let you kids know, after talking to a bunch of 1st years who took the exam, i sent this email to our biochem profs....let me know if you guys think i crossed the line. peace- ryan

Dear Dr. Lightbody, Dr. Gatti, and Dr. Kovari,

I am writing this email with regards to today's exam questions, many of which were taken from the back of the book. It seems that to appropriately test a student's knowledge of the material, one should not use questions already seen, some word-for-word, from the back of the book. This also rewards those students who prefer to slack and know to memorize the back of the book questions rather than focusing on the material presented in the lectures. Also, when told to focus on certain things and to ignore others ("Do not learn this, Do not memorize this"), it is disheartening and very unfair to see them on the exam, knowing that we wholly swept over them in lecture and that the focus on lecture slides was reiterated, especially during review sessions. If you would like the quotation of specific examples, I would be more than happy to provide those. Please respond-


Needless to say this ticked off a whole bunch of students who were just glad that they had looked at those questions and pulled a decent score. The average for the test was 80%-ish so it isn't like the whole class aced the damn thing.

So in one of the responses to this *****ic waste of an e-mail, is a student who says "hey, someone posted on the WSUSOM student forums the numbers of the questions from the back of the book if you want to know them." (Can you hear it? Death by Admin has been resurrected.)

So this prompts the administration to send out an e-mail to the entire class of 09 stating that they are looking for the identity of the student whose screen name is "..(name has been deleted to protect the student whom in my opinion did nothing wrong).." on the forum site because they would like to bring him/her up on professionalism charges in front of the committee because the post was in violation of the protected exam clause. It also encouraged anyone who knows the identity of this person to turn him/her in, anonymously of course.

My biggest beef is this: If the admisitration wants to get their shorts in a knot, they should be doing so at the course director and the professors who didn't write a 1/3 of the test and took the easy way out. Anybody after the test could open the back of the book and see the numbers of the questions in the test. In fact a whole group of us sat and looked them all up right after the test to see if we got them right (I'm sure other students were all doing this as well). My hope is that the student in question keeps his/her head down and lets this all blow over. I intend on taking this whole issue to the curriculum committee and anybody else who will listen because this whole thing is really pissing me off.

So basically a bunch of us figure that after this whole fiasco that the third biochem test is going to suck sweaty donkey balls.

You can check out the WSU forums, year 1, ******ed People for other comments.

 

[mendel121]

Wow! I'm not even sure what to say to all that...a little defensive aren't ya? Never thought I was asking for an explaination on everything I've posted, but hey thanks buddy!

I don't know how you can come on here and lecture SOM students when you aren't one (meaning - how can you lecture us about something you know nothing about?), and then get all indignant when someone calls you on it

 

[JonD-08]

Damn, whoever that kid is, I hope he(?) keeps his mouth shut. He's the only one who can really prove his own identity as that poster.

And I agree with your reasoning, but I doubt it'll bear much weight in a system where the prosecutor and judge are one in the same. The administration takes itself way too seriously for that to be effective.

 

[kyle_fater]

I don't know how you can come on here and lecture SOM students when you aren't one (meaning - how can you lecture us about something you know nothing about?), and then get all indignant when someone calls you on it

Who am I lecturing? never knew I was, but since I am why dont you mind your own business...thats a good lesson for you to start with! Nobody called me on anything. I mention a teachers name and who he's dating and someone assumes (there we go do I need to break that down for you ASS + U+ ME, but i'm not the one assuming so guess you're the only one) I'm a Phys. Assn't student...nope sorry...guessed wrong. But that doesn't even matter...i was simply asking why he's getting all defensive over something so stupid... then someone like you has to come and put in their two cents

 

[fun8stuff]

is going to suck sweaty donkey balls.

"sweaty"... nice addition. i will have to remember that one!

 

[oldjeeps]

i was simply asking why he's getting all defensive over something so stupid

Easy answer to that one…
It is a side effect of functioning in an environment full of “administrative issues” (as they have been called on a different thread) – essentially spending as much time as we med students do in an environment where some of the administrators obviously don’t give a **** about the students can tend to push those of us that might normally tend to be a little defensive over the edge to the point of being excessively defensive.
Call it a coping mechanism since we can’t rely on the administration as a whole to be interested in our ‘best interest’ and to act accordingly to adequately represent us and our needs/concerns to the rest of the university (seeing how one of the Deans likes to blame everything on “Main Campus”).

And occasionally that coping mechanism functions when it wasn’t really needed.

 

[dancinjenn]

"sweaty"... nice addition. i will have to remember that one!

Well sweaty would make them worse than not being sweaty.

 

[AStudent]

ASS + U+ ME

McMann would be very disappointed with that logic. Almost as bad as Stewart's Tu Quo Que arguments.

 

[mendel121]

Who am I lecturing? never knew I was, but since I am why dont you mind your own business...thats a good lesson for you to start with! Nobody called me on anything. I mention a teachers name and who he's dating and someone assumes (there we go do I need to break that down for you ASS + U+ ME, but i'm not the one assuming so guess you're the only one) I'm a Phys. Assn't student...nope sorry...guessed wrong. But that doesn't even matter...i was simply asking why he's getting all defensive over something so stupid... then someone like you has to come and put in their two cents

OK, thanks for sharing, it's been a pleasure having you with us.

 

[kyle_fater]

McMann would be very disappointed with that logic. Almost as bad as Stewart's Tu Quo Que arguments.

The logic is there Adam haha. What have you been up to? I've been trying to get a hold of you to come out and get a few drinks with us. So whats new with you? Congrats on getting in to med school. And never make the comparison between me and Nathan again haha...I could be in a vegetative state and still have more sense than that kid haha

 

[Medbound786]

Hey Guys;

I was recently accepted to Wayne State and will probably be attending this fall. I was wondering, do you have any recent news on the contract renewal between DMC and Wayne State Medical School. It seems, they're at a crisis point. Could any of yet shed some light.

Thanks

 

[fun8stuff]

Hey Guys;

I was recently accepted to Wayne State and will probably be attending this fall. I was wondering, do you have any recent news on the contract renewal between DMC and Wayne State Medical School. It seems, they're at a crisis point. Could any of yet shed some light.

Thanks

go back 1-2 pages and read these posts. that is about all that has been said.. .and i think most of it is rumor. i'm not sure anybody knows much.... but i think we are still a ways away from having to worry.

 

[angel80]

I haven't heard anything concrete, just a bunch of rumors. I'm a 4th year at Wayne, so it won't affect my clinical rotations, but if I choose to do residency at the DMC, it may directly impact me. From what I understand, if no agreement is reached by March 15, then the two groups will go their separate ways. Also, the DMC will lose ACGME accredidation, so all of it's residency programs will have to be cancelled, and the residents will be sent to other programs. The DMC has already lost it's ortho residency, and from what I hear, will lose Level 1 trauma status for DRH as a result. When I was at Henry Ford for a rotation, some of the doctors over there said that they were hearing talk about how the higher administrators at Henry Ford would love to be the primary affiliation of WSU, should the partnership between WSU and the DMC end. It would mean more money in research grants for the hospital, which would attract better faculty, and the status of HFH would change from a community hospital to a University Hospital. Again, this is all hear-say. Overall, I would say that WSU could survive without the DMC because so many other hospitals are willing to take more WSU students (and don't forget, the VA and Karmanos aren't techinically part of the DMC, so those hospitals are still fair game for rotations), but the DMC will be finished if it loses WSU affiliation. I think that Children's Hospital and Huron Valley would be able to break off and become profitable free-standing institutions, but I'm not sure about the rest.