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I predict an average of 99.97% for that exam. No complaints though
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JonD-08 said:
I agree. Easiest exam I've ever taken. I finished in 15 minutes!!!
fun8stuff, trust me, you don't want to be in our class. I think we broke the record in a couple of our exams with our high averages. Your class simply doesn't matchup with ours
And yeah we had an easy exam today, but derm was supposed to be easy. And the average is not going to be 90%, it might be in the high 80s, but it won't break a 90. The exam had a couple of tricky questions, and getting more then a couple of questions wrong will get you screwed.
The only wierd thing about this exam is that we had the answer of at least 10 questions before the exam even started. It was awsome.
And yeah we had an easy exam today, but derm was supposed to be easy. And the average is not going to be 90%, it might be in the high 80s, but it won't break a 90. The exam had a couple of tricky questions, and getting more then a couple of questions wrong will get you screwed.
The only wierd thing about this exam is that we had the answer of at least 10 questions before the exam even started. It was awsome.
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yeah, that is what happened with our last biochem exam. i guess there were like ~20 of the ~70 questions were from the biochem book, which is why the guy complained that the exam was too easy.Shangal said:
anyways, i think we have had among the highest exam averages on every exam. i know on the last physio we set the all time high for any physiology exam... 89&.. i got a 94 and i still didnt honor!! 😡
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Sorry to intrude on your guys' thread but, I was wondering if Wayne does any merit based scholarship and; if so, how much they typucally are.
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yea sorry to intrude too...but noone on the premed board knows the answer to my question. I was placed on the alternate list today...is this bad news considering its the end of Feb. I know the list is prioritized by interview date, so it seems like i'm on the bottom of the pile. Did you or your friends get in off the alternate list this late? thanks...
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yea sorry to intrude too...but noone on the premed board knows the answer to my question. I was placed on the alternate list today...is this bad news considering its the end of Feb. I know the list is prioritized by interview date, so it seems like i'm on the bottom of the pile. Did you or your friends get in off the alternate list this late? thanks...
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1) I am sure there must be merit scholarships for MSI's, but certianly not a lot. I don't know of anyone who got one. I know last year they gave $500 to the people who honored the year, as a "scholarship."
2) LOTS of people get in off the alternate list. Don't give up hope.
2) LOTS of people get in off the alternate list. Don't give up hope.
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yes. after you decide on wayne they will tell you whether you get a scholarship or not... around july. they give out full-tuition and half-tuition scholarships. to get these, you will not only have to have good stats, but have had a great interview and great essays. i am not sure how many are given out. people tend not to tell their friends about this type of thing...
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Hey everyone.
Did anyone interview with Dr. Sacco last year? I interviewed with him last Wednesday, and he was VERY thourough and went over most of my original AMCAS application. My concern is that I feel that the interview was kind of rushed (He was trying to get through so I could go on the tour).
And as a result, I didn't think we established too much of a rapport. It seemed strictly business, yet cordial enough.
Anyone know this guy? He's a researcher in human reproduction. Nice guy, and kind, but I just don't know if my experience is status quo or not.
I want to go to Wayne so bad, and I'm kind of being a neurotic chump, but any input would be appreciated.
Did anyone interview with Dr. Sacco last year? I interviewed with him last Wednesday, and he was VERY thourough and went over most of my original AMCAS application. My concern is that I feel that the interview was kind of rushed (He was trying to get through so I could go on the tour).
And as a result, I didn't think we established too much of a rapport. It seemed strictly business, yet cordial enough.
Anyone know this guy? He's a researcher in human reproduction. Nice guy, and kind, but I just don't know if my experience is status quo or not.
I want to go to Wayne so bad, and I'm kind of being a neurotic chump, but any input would be appreciated.
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cfdaavid: sorry i don't know the guy. the only advice i have to give is that if you think that it did not go well and did not give an accurate representation of your qualifications, then you can request an additional interview. however, perhaps you are making it a bigger deal than what it is?
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Just like every other course. I think it gets a lot of un-necessary hype, it wasn't really all that hard. The only difference compared to your previous courses is that it's integrated. Meaning, you will have lectures on anatomy, histo, and biochem all mixed under the topic of neuro. It's more like 2nd year in that way. By far the highest yield stuff is learning the nerve pathways and what happens if that pathway is lessioned at a given point. Very easy stuff on the exam if you put the time into learning it, kind of like anatomy.
Some words of wisdom about nutrition. It sucks. Sardesai will give you all sorts of extraneous information from his book that you will not be tested on. The lectures are a waste of time. The notes suck. I read the notes once, and then memorized this 20 page study sheet and honored the exam. I don't have the study sheet, I just checked, but it should be floating around out there somewhere. Everything on the exam was in those 20 pages. Good luck.
Some words of wisdom about nutrition. It sucks. Sardesai will give you all sorts of extraneous information from his book that you will not be tested on. The lectures are a waste of time. The notes suck. I read the notes once, and then memorized this 20 page study sheet and honored the exam. I don't have the study sheet, I just checked, but it should be floating around out there somewhere. Everything on the exam was in those 20 pages. Good luck.
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Thanks for the response funstuff. Yeah, I'm sure I'm blowing it out of proportion. Just didn't get that warm fuzzy. I did talk to another girl that day who also interviewed with him and it sounded like her interview followed a similar pattern (quite formal and closely following AMCAS chronologically etc.)
I'll just wait and see...............
yeah get that study sheet, I stopped reading nutrition after vitamins, was focusing to much on neuro, and I got to a point where I thought I was going to fail it, even right before I took the thing. I was studying with this other guy who didn't even look at the notes. But what we both did is memorize that study packet. Every single question was in that packet. And we both ended up honoring the class. Don't believe what other people in the class are going to say, like Dr. Sadersai (I think I misspelled his name) that he found out about the packet and he is going to change the questions, trust me, he is not going to put the effort.
The only thing I learned last year was that faculty are lazy, and they use the same questions every year.
Neuro wasn't as easy as ddmo is making it. I thought the first unit was rough, just find Dr. goshgarians lab and understand everything he tells you and you will be fine. The first unit of neuro is kind of like anatomy which I hate, but the second unit is more like physiology which I think is more interesting.
The only thing I learned last year was that faculty are lazy, and they use the same questions every year.
Neuro wasn't as easy as ddmo is making it. I thought the first unit was rough, just find Dr. goshgarians lab and understand everything he tells you and you will be fine. The first unit of neuro is kind of like anatomy which I hate, but the second unit is more like physiology which I think is more interesting.
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if the list is prioritized by interview date that is news to me.
My understanding is that the list was prioritized by whatever random facts about your file that the adcom felt made you a stronger or weaker candidate.
I actually interviewed in late march and managed to get in off the alt. list; so you shouldn't stress too badly. Also WSU has a lot of movement on their alt. list - a large portion of my class came in off the alt list, including someone that was accepted the week of orientation.
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fun8stuff said:
I sure as hell wish I'd gotten a copy of that thing last year. I believe I got a 64% in the class (luckily passing was a 56)! That was my ****iest gade ever!!!
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In other news... have any of ya'll been on the WSU forums? It looks like Dr. Jackson has paid us a visit. Either that or someone is pulling a mean prank...
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katrinadams9 said:
You mean its been pulled right? That's a bunch of crap. Nothing violated any copwrite on that forum. It was potentially a very good place for 1st and 2nd years to chat and mingle, gain helpful advice and support. Perhaps it was pulled because it was called wsusom forum (although not sanctioned by wayne). That's the only thing I can see wrong with it. Should we open a new forum, called Detroit Medical Students or something?
I seriously feel that our rights have been violated, and that we are being censored. If I didn't have Akins **** to cram, I'd be even more angry.
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fun8stuff...I have the packet on my email...pm me with your e-mail address and I'll send it to you. It didn't get sent out on the listserve last year because I think students were afraid of getting ripped by admin. Please make sure that you distribute it to your friends though.
Katrina & Soleil - It was just a prank. Besides I don't think that they have the authority to pull the site as it says that it is student run. I'd like to see them try! At that point we would just set it up with a different name again.
Katrina & Soleil - It was just a prank. Besides I don't think that they have the authority to pull the site as it says that it is student run. I'd like to see them try! At that point we would just set it up with a different name again.
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Do you guys know much about how accomodating Wayne is in letting 4th year students do some rotations at hospitals across the country? In genereal even, how well does Wayne help with residency applications and such? Thanks!
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dancinjenn said:
Ha! Ok, I'm a little calmer. Actually, I thought it had been shut down, but it was just my link that was bad.... Thanks for posting the link in your signature!
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Thanks Jenn!
I jumped to conclusions when I wrote my last post. I was typing the address with a www included, and it looked like the forum had been pulled. Silly me! I think I'm just a little on edge.... Ok, back to genomics.... whatever that is.....
I jumped to conclusions when I wrote my last post. I was typing the address with a www included, and it looked like the forum had been pulled. Silly me! I think I'm just a little on edge.... Ok, back to genomics.... whatever that is.....
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katrinadams9 said:
Relax. Jackson is too cold and distant to write something to us that begins with "umm" and ends with him being excited about anything, even something as precious to him as his unprofessionalism letters.
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katrinadams9 said:
he seems to have a huge inferiority complex about this class - he all but told us at orientation this year that he enjoyed failing people in nutrition. Also, We've been getting emails from him for months with "Nutrition News" like we have time to read that.
Dr. Sadersai is a good guy. He actually was standing outside of the exam room to talk to students after the exam was over. I just wanted to hug him or something. And trust me, the reason so many people failed this class is because nobody studied for it. Our neuro average on the other hand was insanely high, I think it was one of my lowest in the year and I studied hard for it. I think I got an 80 and that was something like 420. The average was something like 84%, again because everyone studied for it really hard.
Oh and the average in derm was 86%, I knew it wasn't going to be in the 90s, it was not as easy as people thought it was going to be.
Oh and the average in derm was 86%, I knew it wasn't going to be in the 90s, it was not as easy as people thought it was going to be.
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The notes and lectures are so crappy, it was just a lot easier. Plus, it's a really detailed review, has all the pertinant stuff in the notes.
Re: Shangal's post, maybe there is a good link between anatomy and neuro. I liked anatomy, so thought neuro wasn't bad. Apparently Shangal thought the opposite on both.
Re: Shangal's post, maybe there is a good link between anatomy and neuro. I liked anatomy, so thought neuro wasn't bad. Apparently Shangal thought the opposite on both.
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Sorry to intrude on your thread, but I was looking at WSU's averages and a 3.6 GPA is quite high... Any of you think a low 3-point can be made up for with a high 30s MCAT ? It seems like people that go to Wayne generally have the higher GPA, lower MCAT combo rather than the other way around... thanks for any tips
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I don't have any facts to back it up; but I think that the rest of your application is more important to them than the numbers are.
To answer your specific question, it can be done (I was GPA of low 3s and MCATs of 27 & 29) but be prepared to explain a discrepancy like you described.
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WingsBelieve84 said:
I think you can do 4 away rotations during 4th year. The information is at www.med.wayne.edu. As long as it is a legitimate rotation and you make all the arrangements, the SOM is fine with it.
The SOM also helps with residency applications through ERAS, however I would caution you to know the process very well otherwise you could get screwed big time.
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Shangal said:
420? Not to be mean, but you all should be floating around the 500 mark for Z-scores. That info will go into your Dean's letter for residency application.
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MD'05 said:
OK, the whole concept of a z-score - we can't all be floating around 500 - by defintion - 68% of the class will be between 400 and 600, and about 34% will be between 400 and 500. If he had said 320, well that's another story, but 420 on one exam, who cares. And it's just one exam, not a cummulative z-score, I doubt they list the z-score for every exam taken at wayne in your dean's letter
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UMP said:
I think your major also plays a role as well. I only had a 3.36 GPA in undergrad, but I was a chemical engineering major. My MCAT was a 29. The rest of my application was also very strong. You need to be a well rounded person as much as possible, IMO.
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MD'05 said:
Do you know how hard that is to do with our class of gunners? Our 500 z-score usually works out to be an average of 80-85% (sometimes higher) on every exam. I busted my ass off studying for the last exam. I was actually sure I had nailed it too and when I looked at my grade I was very pleased because it was one of my highest of the year. Then I look at the average and see that it is 1.5 points higher than my grade.
Whatever happened to the whole logic that year 1-2 grades don't count as much as year 3-4 and USMLE scores on residency application? Are you saying this logic is false???
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katrinadams9 said:
So - that's the other point about z-scores, you cannot compare them across years, a 500 in one year is not the same as a 500 in any other year. It depends on the people in the class, and the exams. This is why the USMLEs so much more important, because now you're being compared to a much larger sample of people on a test that is more standard from year to year, making year to year comparisons much more reliable.
yeah, I don't think the dean has time to look at our individual exam scores and then write a recommendation letter accordingly. To be honest I don't even think he has our overall Z-score for each class we take, he only knows the Ps and Hs on our transcript. And whether or not we honored the year, whether or not we get AOA, and our class rankings.
I know it sucks, but it looks like I won't be in the top quintile in my class when I graduate, so I know I am not going to get a top residency spot, but at this point I don't care anymore, and never implied that I did. But thanks for reminding me that I am screwed when I apply for residencies
By the way, MD05, what was your class ranking? and where did you match?
I know it sucks, but it looks like I won't be in the top quintile in my class when I graduate, so I know I am not going to get a top residency spot, but at this point I don't care anymore, and never implied that I did. But thanks for reminding me that I am screwed when I apply for residencies
By the way, MD05, what was your class ranking? and where did you match?
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The name Dean's Letter is a little misleading. It's not actually a letter written by the Dean. Wayne now uses the MSPE (medical student performance evaluation) instead of the Dean's Letter. The School calculates your Z-score for each year (in years 1-3). It then calculates your overall Z-score for medical school. The class is then divided into quintiles according to Z-score. Everyone is given a ranking into either the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th quintiles (1st is the highest, 5th is the lowest). Your ranking goes into the MSPE. Other things included in the MSPE include comments from your attending physicians and residents from your third year clerkship evaluations, as well as comments from patients, co-workers, other students (these come from cards that you have to distribute to all these people during third year). Some of your extracurricular activities are included in the MSPEas well. That being said, not everyone can be in the top quintile by the very definition of a quintile. Technically, there should be an equal number of students in each quintile. As long as you are not aiming for a residency in a competitive specialty (ex. derm, rad onc, urology, etc). It is not imperitive for you to be in the top quintile.
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that' what I thought. I hate this whole process!
I also heard that you can find a spot, somewhere in this country, in every residency except for derm, as long as you are above average and have good recommendation letters and board scores. At least that's what I am hoping.
I want to do radiology oncology and I've been asking around about the possibility of me getting that residency. And so far, I've been told, if I am not picky I will find a spot somewhere as long as I get good board scores, I think >220, and good recommendation letters. So hopefully there is still hope for the people who are not that smart
I also heard that you can find a spot, somewhere in this country, in every residency except for derm, as long as you are above average and have good recommendation letters and board scores. At least that's what I am hoping.
I want to do radiology oncology and I've been asking around about the possibility of me getting that residency. And so far, I've been told, if I am not picky I will find a spot somewhere as long as I get good board scores, I think >220, and good recommendation letters. So hopefully there is still hope for the people who are not that smart
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