Wayne State University part 01

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ddmo said:
Anyone else get a CD-Rom in the mail from the Society of Interventional Radiologists. It's pretty interesting. Check it out if you did.

I threw it away without opening (like JAMA and New Physician and what have you) - what's on it?

Speaking of mail though, a bunch of second years have gotten a solicitation from a sperm bank. Wonder if the med school sold our addresses?
 
JonD-08 said:
I threw it away without opening (like JAMA and New Physician and what have you) - what's on it?

Speaking of mail though, a bunch of second years have gotten a solicitation from a sperm bank. Wonder if the med school sold our addresses?

I'm a first year, got one of those sperm bank letters too, a friend of mine who graduated from Wayne in 2004 got them every year.
 
mendel121 said:
I'm a first year, got one of those sperm bank letters too, a friend of mine who graduated from Wayne in 2004 got them every year.

This just adds to the suspicion that it was a leak from school that caused many of us to be victims of identity theft. Well, it's one more reason to hate this school.
 
Shangal said:
that' what I thought. I hate this whole process!
I also heard that you can find a spot, somewhere in this country, in every residency except for derm, as long as you are above average and have good recommendation letters and board scores. At least that's what I am hoping.
I want to do radiology oncology and I've been asking around about the possibility of me getting that residency. And so far, I've been told, if I am not picky I will find a spot somewhere as long as I get good board scores, I think >220, and good recommendation letters. So hopefully there is still hope for the people who are not that smart

i am also interested in radiation oncology as well. however, i have heard that it is very competitive- the same as derm if not more because there are fewer programs than derm and the pay/hour ratio is the same if not better. i hope you are right though. have you checked out the SDN radiation oncology section?
 
JonD-08 said:
Wonder if the med school sold our addresses?

Of course they sold our addresses. By now we should have all realized that anything that WSU can do to make a few extra $ off from us they are going to do, without regard for how much it might piss us off and hurt their chances of getting any alumni $ out of us in a few years - typical for an extremely short-sighted school.
 
oldjeeps said:
Of course they sold our addresses. By now we should have all realized that anything that WSU can do to make a few extra $ off from us they are going to do, without regard for how much it might piss us off and hurt their chances of getting any alumni $ out of us in a few years - typical for an extremely short-sighted school.

I should probably clarify... this is probably something that is "main campus's fault" (to quote everyone's favorite dean). :meanie: Since they certainly don't give a **** about those of us that live over in the medical center.
 
katrinadams9 said:
Do you know how hard that is to do with our class of gunners? Our 500 z-score usually works out to be an average of 80-85% (sometimes higher) on every exam. I busted my ass off studying for the last exam. I was actually sure I had nailed it too and when I looked at my grade I was very pleased because it was one of my highest of the year. Then I look at the average and see that it is 1.5 points higher than my grade.

Whatever happened to the whole logic that year 1-2 grades don't count as much as year 3-4 and USMLE scores on residency application? Are you saying this logic is false???

I know it is hard work to do well. And I hope the admin changes the format of your dean's letter. Otherwise the lovely Z-score comes back to bite you.
 
so you didn't answer my question MD05, where did you match?

and fun8stuff, yeah I checked the radiology oncology thread on this website, and they seem to think research and boards scores are the most important.

After talking with alot of people who went through this process, it seems like AOA is the most important thing to have when applying. And if you don't have it, ranking isn't that important as long as you are above average in your class. Then comes board scores, your clinical grades, recommendation letters and research. And you can compensate for not having AOA by having a solid application on everything else. The only programs that really focus on grades, from what I heard, are derm. They seem to be impossible for everyone who isn't honoring every class in school, or at least most of them
 
OK second years... I have a question for you.

What was the pass grade for Phys and Biochem? Has there been any course where they set the pass at exactly 75% like they say they will? Our Anatomy and Histo pass grades were right around 65%... is this giving me the false impression that most classes will be this low?

Thanks for your reassurance! We just got our grades back from our last test for phys and biochem.... And, let's just say that I don't EVER want to see biochem again!!!
 
Soleil9 said:
OK second years... I have a question for you.

What was the pass grade for Phys and Biochem? Has there been any course where they set the pass at exactly 75% like they say they will? Our Anatomy and Histo pass grades were right around 65%... is this giving me the false impression that most classes will be this low?

Thanks for your reassurance! We just got our grades back from our last test for phys and biochem.... And, let's just say that I don't EVER want to see biochem again!!!

It'll be lower than 75%. To have an idea, just average the 4 average test scores and subtract about 7-8% to be conservative...
 
Soleil9 said:
OK second years... I have a question for you.

What was the pass grade for Phys and Biochem? Has there been any course where they set the pass at exactly 75% like they say they will? Our Anatomy and Histo pass grades were right around 65%... is this giving me the false impression that most classes will be this low?

Thanks for your reassurance! We just got our grades back from our last test for phys and biochem.... And, let's just say that I don't EVER want to see biochem again!!!

Last years pass rates were right around 65-66 for both physio and biochem. I think that last years anat and histo were 67-68.

Since they posted the Danger Zone at 68% then the pass rate should be right around that with little to no possibility that it will be higher. I would expect 65-67 % rates based on the distribution of our class for both. They can't fail 50 people for any one class so they will usually drop the pass rate until there is just a reasonable amt of people below the cut line. At least this is what one of the counselors told me.

Yes, I don't want to see biochem either. I did the worst on this test by far than the other two.
 
Soleil9 said:
OK second years... I have a question for you.

What was the pass grade for Phys and Biochem? Has there been any course where they set the pass at exactly 75% like they say they will? Our Anatomy and Histo pass grades were right around 65%... is this giving me the false impression that most classes will be this low?

Thanks for your reassurance! We just got our grades back from our last test for phys and biochem.... And, let's just say that I don't EVER want to see biochem again!!!

First years: as of tonight, the finalized scores and pass rate have not been posted. Just relax and enjoy your break; assume you passed until you find out otherwise.
 
Hello,

I don't mean to intrude on your thread, but I have an interview at Wayne State coming up and this is the school I would really like to go to. I was wondering how admitted students at WSU Med believe would be the best way to handle the interview in order to increase my chances of gaining admittance? What should be stressed, etc.?

Thanks!
 
HamburgerHelper said:
Hello,

I don't mean to intrude on your thread, but I have an interview at Wayne State coming up and this is the school I would really like to go to. I was wondering how admitted students at WSU Med believe would be the best way to handle the interview in order to increase my chances of gaining admittance? What should be stressed, etc.?

Thanks!

Just relax and be yourself - most of the interviews at Wayne are super laid back and really just use your application as a springboard for discussion.
 
HamburgerHelper said:
Hello,

I don't mean to intrude on your thread, but I have an interview at Wayne State coming up and this is the school I would really like to go to. I was wondering how admitted students at WSU Med believe would be the best way to handle the interview in order to increase my chances of gaining admittance? What should be stressed, etc.?

Thanks!

I might not be the best source (considering my interviews to acceptances ratio) but I would say just be yourself and be honest - forget all the BS answers that have been drilled into you and say what you really feel/think.

You also might want to take a look at the interview feedback page here on SDN to get a feel for the types of questions that have been asked of other people. An odd question that I got was what was my high school class rank, GPA, and ACT score... good thing I knew that was coming and had that information with me 😀
 
Hey 2nd years:

I was nominated for Aesculapians and would like to take this opportunity to shamelessly advertise my candidacy. Please vote for me!!! 🙂 The elections will be held in a class meeting sometime after Spring Break. If you've ever found my emails and mnemonics helpful, now is the time to show your gratefulness. Hehe.... Good luck to anyone else running!

And in conclusion, I'd like to say: Katrina Adams/Green for Aesculapian!!!
 
you got my vote, just do me a favor and don't say go green, we all know that MSU sucks
 
HamburgerHelper said:
Hello,

I don't mean to intrude on your thread, but I have an interview at Wayne State coming up and this is the school I would really like to go to. I was wondering how admitted students at WSU Med believe would be the best way to handle the interview in order to increase my chances of gaining admittance? What should be stressed, etc.?

Thanks!
Stress the fact that you want to learn medicine in an urban setting like Detroit and help the uninsured population. Also, that you want to practice in Michigan and not California. Wayne's strives to produce doctors who'll stay in state and want to be in Detroit.
 
Shangal said:
so you didn't answer my question MD05, where did you match?

You're kidding, right? 🙄
 
Thoughts on that exam?

Mine: I left a lot of points on the table. Got really excited after running perfect on the first 26... then I got wrecked badly by the clinical vignettes, which was pretty much the rest of the exam. I don"t think they were that bad, I just didn"t learn the details. Meh. Four exams left to make up for it 🙂

Have a fun spring break, all
 
JonD-08 said:
Thoughts on that exam?

Wasn't that supposed to be the connective tissue path exam? 😕

Because it sure didn’t feel like it to me. 😱 :scared:
 
So yeah.... WTF was up with that exam??? Al-Abbadi's questions were super freakin' easy. Then Dr. Madrid went and tore me a new dingus with that irritable bowel syndrome related arthritis ****!!! Did he talk about that or did I just miss the memo? I thought Dr. Nasser's q's weren't too incredibly bad. The ergonomics ones.... um, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

All I can hope for is a low average. Oh, well. Have fun doing whatever ya'll are doing for break.
 
I guess it was bad after all... thought it was just me. I feel like an idiot not for doing badly, but for working so hard for so little yield. But it's spring break now. Happy thoughts, or something...
 
JonD-08 said:
I guess it was bad after all... thought it was just me. I feel like an idiot not for doing badly, but for working so hard for so little yield. But it's spring break now. Happy thoughts, or something...

I know, I know, it's spring break... but does anyone know if they posted the scores? Average?
 
Flobber said:
I know, I know, it's spring break... but does anyone know if they posted the scores? Average?


They are suppose to e-mail them to us or post them online....but nothing so far
 
so where's the place to be on st. patrick's in downtown detroit? i know ol'shileighlehs or however that is spelled is fun...
 
You got it. Nemo's and Cock n' Bull are also pretty good.
 
the average was higher then I thought. This was a bad exam for me
 
Shangal said:
the average was higher then I thought. This was a bad exam for me

I suppose asking them to post our pharm grades would be way too much to ask...
 
you know... they emailed us our grades. why won't they do the same for you guys? that is what i would be asking about!
 
fun8stuff said:
you know... they emailed us our grades. why won't they do the same for you guys? that is what i would be asking about!

Because they hate the class of 2008.

Although if they can make it work this grades on blackboard thing might not be too bad.
 
any of you guys happen to save the nutrition old exams from last year? they don't have them posted this year... or for that matter... any non-gunners from class of 2009 willing to share 😉 ?
 
ddmo said:
You got it. Nemo's and Cock n' Bull are also pretty good.
went to both of these places, among a few others. was pretty fun. walked the whole distance... was only harassed by 3 bums!
 
Don't forget to go to class tomorrow to vote for Aesculapians!!! Man, I'm a huge dork.... :laugh: :laugh:
 
Any of you guys going to be at the premed symposium at the end of April? Just wondering. 🙂
 
sistahnik said:
Any of you guys going to be at the premed symposium at the end of April? Just wondering. 🙂
what's that?
 
sistahnik said:
Any of you guys going to be at the premed symposium at the end of April? Just wondering. 🙂

hahahahahahaha. Oh, wait...you were serious. Let me laugh harder. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Seriously, I doubt any of us will be there. Well, maybe a couple people. I'm guessing from your profile that you are coming here in August, but once you get here, you'll realize that you have to pick and choose how to use your very limited free time.
 
deowolf04 said:
hahahahahahaha. Oh, wait...you were serious. Let me laugh harder. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


WTF? That's hardly funny, and way to welcome a new person. 😡

Back to sistahnik, did you mean to assist the pre-meds, or because we are pre-meds? Pretty much all of us are current students, so we wouldn't be going for our own sake. Although, I believe some students go to assist. I've never been to one, so can't help you much as to what it will be like. Can't hurt and might be fun.
 
Hi there, don't mean to hijack but...I was recently accepted to Wayne State and wanted to get some feedback about the school. No better way than to go straight to horse's mouth.

So do you guys feel Wayne state offers a good medical eduation or would you have attended another school if you had the chance?

Also, how is it living in Detroit? Is there a problem with crime, safety concerns, etc?

How are your classmates and what is the student body like = tight knit or too large of a class size to get to know people?

What's life like outside of meds? Yeah, med school's tough but there's more to life than just school.

Do you think Wayne state prepares its students well for future opportunities possibly not related to primary care or research? Would it be difficult to practice abroad after obtaining your MD here?

Any help in answering these questions would really help me in deciding what I should do. Overall impressions, criticisms, bad mouthing, rants, advice and recommendations are all welcome...Thanks in advance!..

ddmo said:
WTF? That's hardly funny, and way to welcome a new person. 😡

Back to sistahnik, did you mean to assist the pre-meds, or because we are pre-meds? Pretty much all of us are current students, so we wouldn't be going for our own sake. Although, I believe some students go to assist. I've never been to one, so can't help you much as to what it will be like. Can't hurt and might be fun.
 
JS15 said:
Hi there, don't mean to hijack but...I was recently accepted to Wayne State and wanted to get some feedback about the school. No better way than to go straight to horse's mouth.

So do you guys feel Wayne state offers a good medical eduation or would you have attended another school if you had the chance?

Also, how is it living in Detroit? Is there a problem with crime, safety concerns, etc?

How are your classmates and what is the student body like = tight knit or too large of a class size to get to know people?

What's life like outside of meds? Yeah, med school's tough but there's more to life than just school.

Do you think Wayne state prepares its students well for future opportunities possibly not related to primary care of research? Would it be difficult to practice abroad after obtaining your MD here?

Any help in answering these questions would really help me in deciding what I should do. Overall impressions, criticisms, bad mouthing, rants, advice and recommendations are all welcome...Thanks in advance!..

PM sent!
 
JS15 said:
Hi there, don't mean to hijack but...I was recently accepted to Wayne State and wanted to get some feedback about the school. No better way than to go straight to horse's mouth.

So do you guys feel Wayne state offers a good medical eduation or would you have attended another school if you had the chance?

Also, how is it living in Detroit? Is there a problem with crime, safety concerns, etc?

How are your classmates and what is the student body like = tight knit or too large of a class size to get to know people?

What's life like outside of meds? Yeah, med school's tough but there's more to life than just school.

Do you think Wayne state prepares its students well for future opportunities possibly not related to primary care of research? Would it be difficult to practice abroad after obtaining your MD here?

Any help in answering these questions would really help me in deciding what I should do. Overall impressions, criticisms, bad mouthing, rants, advice and recommendations are all welcome...Thanks in advance!..

Two things, first IMO you go to Wayne for the excellent clinical education - from what I hear from docs who work with residents, Wayne students have a reputation for coming out of school much more capable than others.

Second, take what you hear from people with a grain of salt, the classroom work can be frustrating, and since most of the people in here are first and second years, you might get some jaded responses, although I think fun8 will give you a pretty even response - there are others who are farther along who are (justifiably to be honest) pretty frusturated, but I think that might be the nature of med school, and not necessarily all Wayne related.

Wayne's a good place to be if you can get yourself to ignore some administrative BS that I think goes on to a certain extent at all schools.
 
JS15 said:
Hi there, don't mean to hijack but...I was recently accepted to Wayne State and wanted to get some feedback about the school. No better way than to go straight to horse's mouth.

So do you guys feel Wayne state offers a good medical eduation or would you have attended another school if you had the chance?

Also, how is it living in Detroit? Is there a problem with crime, safety concerns, etc?

How are your classmates and what is the student body like = tight knit or too large of a class size to get to know people?

What's life like outside of meds? Yeah, med school's tough but there's more to life than just school.

Do you think Wayne state prepares its students well for future opportunities possibly not related to primary care of research? Would it be difficult to practice abroad after obtaining your MD here?

Any help in answering these questions would really help me in deciding what I should do. Overall impressions, criticisms, bad mouthing, rants, advice and recommendations are all welcome...Thanks in advance!..

Basically, I would think about other places before coming to Wayne State. If you don't know already, the negotiations between WSU and DMC are reaching their final days and the contract is set to expire on March 31st. As of now, unless there is a miracle, the orthopaedic department will cease operations June 30th and there won't be ortho left at WSU. Currently the DMC is trying to create its own residency programs so that it doesn't have to deal with WSU and can make decisions that are financially worthwhile and not educationally beneficial. ENT and Urology are next on the block and plans are in the works for other programs as well. While this might not seem all that important, imagine a business corporation led by lawyers and MBAs making decisions about academic departments. It seems sureal, but it's the truth. What's even worse is that WSU is bowing to the pressure from the DMC. Ask Dean Mentzer about what's going on.

Right now 18 of 19 departments (ortho is done) have contract extensions for 9 months. While that may seem good, the two parties were only operating on 1 year extensions since the previous contract expired some time ago. The DMC's master plan is to buy time so that they can create their own departments that they can control. I know this seems like a plot to a really bad movie but it's what's happening behind the scenes. It probably won't affect the 1st and 2nd years, but I can only predict that clinical training will suffer because some departments and attendings are not going to stand for this and they will leave and you will be left with teachers who would rather sell out and work for a corporation than support a WSU academic mission. If you think this is wrong, ask Dean Mentzer. Most other people in the dean's office are probably clueless and the DMC will tell you that everything is great. Good luck in your choices and remember that you don't have to sign up for this.
 
First off, I'd love to know who this Rodney Munch guy is. I could care less about a name, but are you a resident, or faculty, or what?

As far as the questions -- as I understand it, Wayne is a great clinical experience. As a third year tells it, "You will wade through rivers of BS your first two years, but once you hit the clinic it makes up for it." We were forwarded an email last year from a guy in residency who said his Wayne education "ran circles around" his colleagues.

Wayne's step 1 board scores are right on the national average. People who have taken it have told me that Wayne is "good enough", but that you're mostly on your own. Aside from a couple (mostly useless) information seminars and a genetics/nutrition packet, this seems to be the case.

Detroit sucks. *watching back for ddmoore* ... hell, I'd rather be in Grand Rapids. But that has nothing to do with crime - anyplace you will go as a medical student is safe as hell. I live downtown (off Jefferson, to be fair) and walk alone at night, and have never had a problem. You don't wander into a crack den by accident. The problem with Detroit is that people (myself included) expect it to be Chicago, and it never will be. It has an art institute, some sports teams, and for now at least, a zoo... but no (real) public transportation, no Michigan Avenue, very minimal late night (past 2am) food. Except for the food part, I've been too busy as a medical student to care and you will be too. We mostly go to Royal Oak to party anyway.

As far as "would you have attended another school", essentially every student at Wayne would have gone to Michigan if they had an offer. If you do, for god's sake go. But Wayne is a great second choice in my opinion, especially if you're in-state.

Regarding 'preparing students well for the future', I don't think any of us can speak to that with authority. But I'm interested in emergency medicine, and from the EM docs I've talked to, it doesn't get much better than Wayne to prepare you for that.

And I doubt that has so much to do with the DMC and orthopedic group contracts and whatever -- truth is, this is Detroit, and the combination of poverty, obesity, and lack of education mean that there are some medical cases you won't find many other places in America. It sucks for them, but it's more or less the best experience a medical student can get in my opinion.
 
Deowolf04, you are going to be a Dr. with bedside manners like that?!?!? :scared: Anyways, thanks ddmo for the backup. 👍 The symposium is for local and nonlocal premeds who are interested in medicine particularly Wayne med school. They have a panel set up that includes medical students, and possibly residents. There are also people from admissions on the panel and they all sit at the big table and give us premeds the downlow on getting prepared for the app process. I guess they recruit certain students to be apart of the symposium along with the ones who organized it. Just wanted to know if any of you guys were going to be there to assist in answering our questions. Also, I believe that I'm smart enough to realize that you guys are already current students or just accepted! :idea: 😀
 
JonD-08 said:
First off, I'd love to know who this Rodney Munch guy is. I could care less about a name, but are you a resident, or faculty, or what?
regarding Rodney Munch:
well, he/she is for sure a troll. they only jump to talk about negative issues and to bash wayne. perhaps maybe a wayne reject? much of the information put fourth could be gleaned from just about anywhere. could be a student who is failing out... with a personal vendetta. i have not seen any inside info from the person yet... so for now they remain a troll.
 
fun8stuff said:
well, he/she is for sure a troll. they only jump to talk about negative issues and to bash wayne. perhaps maybe a wayne reject? much of the information put fourth could be gleaned from just about anywhere. could be a student who is failing out... with a personal vendetta. i have not seen any inside info from the person yet... so for now they remain a troll.

1. Just because I don't feel the need to reply to EVERY post (ahem, fun8stuff)...
2. I assure you that I am in school and not failing out. Though I do wonder how some members of our class are still in.
3. If you look close enough, you can see me coming out of exams with a club over my shoulder. :laugh: I'm just amused at how a little over-the-top sarcasm got such a backlash.
4. I enjoy the anonymity.
 
deowolf04 said:
1. Just because I don't feel the need to reply to EVERY post (ahem, fun8stuff)...
2. I assure you that I am in school and not failing out. Though I do wonder how some members of our class are still in.
3. If you look close enough, you can see me coming out of exams with a club over my shoulder. :laugh: I'm just amused at how a little over-the-top sarcasm got such a backlash.
4. I enjoy the anonymity.

i was talking about Rodney Munch. sorry for the confusion... i know you are real.... the last thing i wanted to do was offend you.... and for the record, i thought that sista person took a cheap hit at you. you can't tell jack crap from an anonymous forum on how someone will be in real life and you really shouldn't judge someone until you have walked a mile in their shoes. by the way, i laughed at your sarcasm 🙂

yes, i do profess that i am addicted to the internet and spend too much time postind meaningless posts on sdn. i have too much down time... but i did just go running and i am now really tired so hopefully i will be able to sleep.

but, now i will wait for the next attack.... this time from Rodney Munch. bring it on!
 
mendel121 said:
Two things, first IMO you go to Wayne for the excellent clinical education - from what I hear from docs who work with residents, Wayne students have a reputation for coming out of school much more capable than others.

Second, take what you hear from people with a grain of salt, the classroom work can be frustrating, and since most of the people in here are first and second years, you might get some jaded responses, although I think fun8 will give you a pretty even response - there are others who are farther along who are (justifiably to be honest) pretty frusturated, but I think that might be the nature of med school, and not necessarily all Wayne related.

Wayne's a good place to be if you can get yourself to ignore some administrative BS that I think goes on to a certain extent at all schools.

regarding your 'user title' underneath your name....

Bob Porter: Looks like you've been missing a lot of work lately.
Peter Gibbons: Well, I wouldn't exactly say I've been *missing* it, Bob.
 
Just had a chance to read all the replies so far. Thanks for your responses! So far, you've pretty much covered all the issues that I was concerned with and I haven't been totally surprised yet with any of the posts. But keep the opinions coming, I want to be as best prepared as I can to make this decision...
 
what school are you comparing us with.

I agree that you should go to the michigan over wayne state if you get accepted to both schools but do you really need us to tell you that.

Wayne is not that bad, I just hate the med school studying part and worrying about the boards, but other then that it is not that bad. Its kind of like high school, except you don't have any cool kids, but we have every other type.

I don't know if we could help you with choosing your med school. Your priorities should be where it is cheapest, where your family is (or support group), and of course if the school is a top 20 school or not. So that is something only you know and a random person can't really help you with.

And what else, yeah, residency. If you do well in school you will get the residency you want regardless of the DMC deal. And if you do bad in school your chances will be limited also regardless of the DMC deal.

I know I was of no help, I just felt obligated to post something
 
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