Wayne State Waitlist

[georgeomally]

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2 students??? The HUGE waitlist movement we have been waiting for all year is 2 students?? They must have overaccepted.... Losing hope here fast 🙁

 

[georgeomally]

I was just about to post to do the same thing. Hopefully tomorrow someone hears something so we at least KNOW it's moving!! (I have begun doing AMCAS for this year - it seems all of my info is already in it and I just need to update it or hit complete)

I have been putting off working on my AMCAS in hopes that Wayne gives me good news soon, but since that hope is dwindling, I have a couple questions about reapplying. Do you keep the same amcas id number? if i start having my transcripts sent and all, and if by chance i get some good news, is that 160 fee refundable (assuming i didnt press submit yet)?

 

[Jon Davis]

2 students??? The HUGE waitlist movement we have been waiting for all year is 2 students?? They must have overaccepted.... Losing hope here fast 🙁

It doesnt make sense that they overaccepted. How do they know exactly how many to "overaccept"? I highly doubt they guessed that number so well that they only had to fill 2 seats off the list.

 

[RumPunch]

bump

 

[bagonnia]

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[thes_hunter]

bump

I don't know if bumping this does any good. I think that those of us whom are concerned with this are already well aware of just how screwed we are, and if anyone knew anything more I am sure they would cough up the information. 😛



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[thes_hunter]

I think I am going to apply to the caribbean now. I don't know how the waitlist movement worked in the past, but I heard most people got off in june/july. Does that mean they are slow, or is their class really filled now?

This has been a very upsetting day, all due to Wayne. 🙁

I think Ross' deadline might be June 15th (I could be wrong, but I remember one of the caribbean schools I was considering had a June 15th Deadline). However, I do remember Ross' website saying that if you do not get in for Fall, they automatically roll you over for winter admission pool, and the chances of getting in for the winter semester is much higher.

So now is the time to apply to Caribbean medical schools if you are considering that. That way you have a chance to have an offer in place if the unfortunate happens, and you are not offered a spot by this August. I know it's extra money that you wouldn't have needed to spend if you do eventually get in, but at least you have a chance to get your career in medical school started.

I myself choose to delay another year and do an SMP instead of the caribbean schools. And there are still programs with upcoming deadlines, but the deadlines are coming fast.

However, I would rather have it be that none of us have to rely on our backup plans and we can all meet for breakfast in the Wayne State cafeteria the first week of classes.

 

[PriorityMed]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but...

I called the admissions office today and was told that Wayne State did in fact overaccept throughout the admissions cycle, and there really were only two people pulled from the alternate list thus far. I was also told that there were some more withdrawals coming in, but the woman was vague at best about how many there were or when to expect them. I asked if this was "typical" of Wayne, even knowing full well that it wasn't just to get a response. I was told that it was not typical because usually Wayne pulls a large number of it's students from the waitlist, but this year the overacceptance rate was such that this might not be a necessity this year. Also, the Pistons lost again, so my summer is pretty much shot down the toilet unless Sheed and the boys can somehow start playing Detroit Basketball again.... Anyways, I wish everyone luck, but wanted to let people know what I'd heard and keep an honest update.

 

[Jon Davis]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but...

I called the admissions office today and was told that Wayne State did in fact overaccept throughout the admissions cycle, and there really were only two people pulled from the alternate list thus far. I was also told that there were some more withdrawals coming in, but the woman was vague at best about how many there were or when to expect them. I asked if this was "typical" of Wayne, even knowing full well that it wasn't just to get a response. I was told that it was not typical because usually Wayne pulls a large number of it's students from the waitlist, but this year the overacceptance rate was such that this might not be a necessity this year.

This jig is up. Dang.

 

[kuli]

I think I am going to apply to the caribbean now. I don't know how the waitlist movement worked in the past, but I heard most people got off in june/july. Does that mean they are slow, or is their class really filled now?

This has been a very upsetting day, all due to Wayne. 🙁

I know from your previous posts that you got an interview at UMich, which means that your application can't be too bad. Did you apply to lots of schools? If you got an interview at UM, you could very likely get into a US medical school. Are you sure you want to apply to the Caribbean?

On another note, we already know that they have had more than 2 people withdraw from this forum alone---they are just being disgruntled. If they did accept too many people, that is too bad, but I think they will still have some movement. If, in the past, a significantly large number of people have been pulled and they have increased the class size this year, then we can still have a little hope (still start doing the AMCAS) 😳

 

[PriorityMed]

If they did accept too many people, that is too bad, but I think they will still have some movement. If, in the past, a significantly large number of people have been pulled and they have increased the class size this year, then we can still have a little hope (still start doing the AMCAS) 😳[/QUOTE]


I hope you're right. I did feel, however, that there would not be a significant movement due to the overacceptance occuring. I think that you're right that there will still be some movement, but I don't think that it's going to be the 100+ students or 90% or whatnot that was earlier supposed. Oh how I wish I were wrong! I think that in previous years this could have been the case. It's ok to reapply now apparently even though files are still under consideration, so I guess I'm just gonna start AMCAS all over again... (pulls out wallet, empties on table, cries).

 

[bagonnia]

I know from your previous posts that you got an interview at UMich, which means that your application can't be too bad. Did you apply to lots of schools? If you got an interview at UM, you could very likely get into a US medical school. Are you sure you want to apply to the Caribbean?

On another note, we already know that they have had more than 2 people withdraw from this forum alone---they are just being disgruntled. If they did accept too many people, that is too bad, but I think they will still have some movement. If, in the past, a significantly large number of people have been pulled and they have increased the class size this year, then we can still have a little hope (still start doing the AMCAS) 😳

Yea I did apply broadly. I'm on the upper tier at Michigan too, but there is not going to be significant movement there either.

Does anyone know abuot the one year masters program at Wayne?

I am glad to hear that the lady did expect some more withdrawls, but how many is the key question. I'm getting ready to do some serious Plan B action.

 

[itnstalln]

Yea I did apply broadly. I'm on the upper tier at Michigan too, but there is not going to be significant movement there either.

Does anyone know abuot the one year masters program at Wayne?

I am glad to hear that the lady did expect some more withdrawls, but how many is the key question. I'm getting ready to do some serious Plan B action.

I am also on the upper tier at Michigan and have been waitlisted at Wayne since October (as well as four other WLs). I am now seriously considering starting my AMCAS for 2007 because I now feel its best to plan for the worst and hope for the best. My top 3 schools all overfilled this year, and this was atypically for each one, oh my.

 

[PistonsMD]

Does anybody know how many people are on the waitlist? I know they don't tell us what our ranking is but they should be able to tell us how long the list is? If they indeed overaccepted, then the waitlist should be significantly smaller this year...maybe it is not as bad as it seems...

 

[PriorityMed]

There's a couple of Master's programs at Wayne that are useful depending on your situation... There is a Basic Medical Sciences master's degree that apparently is a good stepping off point for Wayne SOM acceptance, and there's also one for disadvantaged students only I believe... I think you can find information for both on the university's webpage, hope this helps!

 

[bagonnia]

plan for the worst and hope for the best.

I totally agree. I thought getting into medical school wouldn't be as difficult as it has been. I am looking into either the BMS program at Wayne or I have been accepted to an MPH program at Umich. I need to send a deposit in though, so I don't know how that will work.

 

[oldjeeps]

There's a couple of Master's programs at Wayne that are useful depending on your situation... There is a Basic Medical Sciences master's degree that apparently is a good stepping off point for Wayne SOM acceptance, and there's also one for disadvantaged students only I believe... I think you can find information for both on the university's webpage, hope this helps!

Here’s the address for the BMS program: http://www.med.wayne.edu/gradprog/programs/bms.htm

I never really considered it partly because I figured if I was going to spend the time and $ to get a masters it was going to be in something useful rather than in pre-med. But I know some folks that it worked well for – connections within the school can help you out, plus it gives you some additional exposure to some of the lecturers (insight into lecture and testing styles).

 

[oldjeeps]

So now is the time to apply to Caribbean medical schools if you are considering that. That way you have a chance to have an offer in place if the unfortunate happens, and you are not offered a spot by this August. I know it's extra money that you wouldn't have needed to spend if you do eventually get in, but at least you have a chance to get your career in medical school started.

From talking to various classmates it seems like Wayne likes for people to apply there more than once – so applying to the Caribbean schools after one go around is probably a bit premature.
Submit another AMCAS, take advantage of a year of freedom (travel, volunteer work, real work, or whatever), and then next go around when they ask you ‘what are you going to do if you don’t get in’ tell them go Caribbean (or my answer was that I had one more go around with AMCAS in me and then I was going Caribbean).

Also, remember if you go Caribbean that will have an impact on the future hoops that you’ll have to jump through (even more interesting ones than what Wayne dreams up) as a FMG/IMG, which can substantially influence what career options you’ll have.

 

[itnstalln]

Does anybody know how many people are on the waitlist? I know they don't tell us what our ranking is but they should be able to tell us how long the list is? If they indeed overaccepted, then the waitlist should be significantly smaller this year...maybe it is not as bad as it seems...

It was mentioned earlier that there was 200 students on the list. One thought would be that wayne increased it class this year so I would expect they would interview a few more students this year.

 

[HamburgerHelper]

Here’s the address for the BMS program: http://www.med.wayne.edu/gradprog/programs/bms.htm

I never really considered it partly because I figured if I was going to spend the time and $ to get a masters it was going to be in something useful rather than in pre-med. But I know some folks that it worked well for – connections within the school can help you out, plus it gives you some additional exposure to some of the lecturers (insight into lecture and testing styles).

I was told by Dawn Street that if I did the BMS program next year (2006-2007), it wouldn't help me for this upcoming application cycle...

 

[PistonsMD]

It was mentioned earlier that there was 200 students on the list. One thought would be that wayne increased it class this year so I would expect they would interview a few more students this year.

The estimated 200 students on the list was based on past years...i was wondering if the list is smaller based on the fact that they overaccepted...

 

[itnstalln]

The estimated 200 students on the list was based on past years...i was wondering if the list is smaller based on the fact that they overaccepted...

Maybe with some they'll let us know 😀

 

[georgeomally]

The estimated 200 students on the list was based on past years...i was wondering if the list is smaller based on the fact that they overaccepted...

i thought someone mentioned earlier that they called and the admissions secretary told them 200...i did not think it was based on past years

 

[Laz]

I was told by Dawn Street that if I did the BMS program next year (2006-2007), it wouldn't help me for this upcoming application cycle...

Yeah, I think you need to complete 20 credits before they will take into consideration that you are in the BMS program on your application. Does that make sense?

I just finished the BMS so if anyone has any questions just pm me. Im glad to help!

 

[HamburgerHelper]

Yeah, I think you need to complete 20 credits before they will take into consideration that you are in the BMS program on your application. Does that make sense?

I just finished the BMS so if anyone has any questions just pm me. Im glad to help!

Yes, Laz. Thank you. That's exactly what Dawn Street told me. How long does it take to complete BMS?

On another note, I'm not sure what I can do in this next year. Possibly, get a job in research or some clinical field, but I don't know where to start looking!

 

[bagonnia]

Yes, Laz. Thank you. That's exactly what Dawn Street told me. How long does it take to complete BMS?

On another note, I'm not sure what I can do in this next year. Possibly, get a job in research or some clinical field, but I don't know where to start looking!

Are all you guys going to reapply with the things you've done this past year? I think I will wait to get rejected and have my AMCAS all set to go. I don't want to prematurely reapply, because maybe they will skip over taking me off the waitlist or something. I don't know.

 

[HamburgerHelper]

Are all you guys going to reapply with the things you've done this past year? I think I will wait to get rejected and have my AMCAS all set to go. I don't want to prematurely reapply, because maybe they will skip over taking me off the waitlist or something. I don't know.

I'm going to try to give Wayne as long as possible to give me the answer of rejection. The latest I will probably wait is until end of June/first week of July. I want to get my app in early (that's if my MCAT score comes out fine).

 

[bagonnia]

I'm going to try to give Wayne as long as possible to give me the answer of rejection. The latest I will probably wait is until end of June/first week of July. I want to get my app in early (that's if my MCAT score comes out fine).

I feel like in the past most people did not get off the waitlist until June/July. At least, that it what I have heard. Do you think this same scenario plays out every year, or this year is different because their class is already "full."

 

[kuli]

I feel like in the past most people did not get off the waitlist until June/July. At least, that it what I have heard. Do you think this same scenario plays out every year, or this year is different because their class is already "full."

Well, they definitely seem to be taking longer this year than previously. I am only going to wait until the end of June because I think submitting as early as possible can really help in the application process. I am already done with my AMCAS and just waiting to send it in a few weeks.

 

[thes_hunter]

According to This Thread it says Movement in 2002 to 2004 was between 5/21 and 6/19.


*sigh*


And with all the talk on this current thread I had gotten my hopes back up again. I am glad I already have 1 of my plan B's in place. 🙁

 

[Jon Davis]

According to This Thread it says Movement in 2002 to 2004 was between 5/21 and 6/19.

I personally think they are a week behind regular progress. Atleast thats what I have indirectly deduced.

Called today, and told me to hang on for a couple more weeks. They still have withdrawls to catch up on.

I don't mean to give any false hope. By all means, unfortunately, assume the worst.

 

[PriorityMed]

I feel that someone needs to go kiss the Blarney Stone for us... But seriously, I hope that you're right and that the impression I got earlier when I called was wrong or overly pessimistic.

 

[PistonsMD]

Could someone find out how many students were interviewed this year for in-state and out-of state? If we could find that info out, we could probably figure out our chances....

 

[Laz]

Yes, Laz. Thank you. That's exactly what Dawn Street told me. How long does it take to complete BMS?

On another note, I'm not sure what I can do in this next year. Possibly, get a job in research or some clinical field, but I don't know where to start looking!

They recommend allowing two years to complete the BMS program, but I have heard of people doing it in one. It is 34 credits including a masters "thesis". I think it is totally possible to complete 20 credits in the first year (10 each semester) even though they say you should only take 8/semester.

In retrospect, I kind of wish I would have completed a masters that could actually help me get a job. Like a lot of you here I was in waitlist hell at Wayne and basically decided to enter the program b/c I didnt know what else to do. In the end it has all worked out though as I have made some contacts at the med school, found a research job for my year off, and am refreshed and ready to apply again.

If you decide to look for a job try www.med.wayne.edu, there is a pull down menu with a "job listing" as an option. There are a lot of research assistant positions there. Also google University of Michigan Health Care System and click on careers. There are a number of positions open there too. Good luck!

 

[FloridaRL]

Just got off a waitlist from another school, so I'll be withdrawing from Wayne State. They should be receiving my withdrawal letter early next week. Hope this helps out some of you guys.

 

[HamburgerHelper]

They recommend allowing two years to complete the BMS program, but I have heard of people doing it in one. It is 34 credits including a masters "thesis". I think it is totally possible to complete 20 credits in the first year (10 each semester) even though they say you should only take 8/semester.

In retrospect, I kind of wish I would have completed a masters that could actually help me get a job. Like a lot of you here I was in waitlist hell at Wayne and basically decided to enter the program b/c I didnt know what else to do. In the end it has all worked out though as I have made some contacts at the med school, found a research job for my year off, and am refreshed and ready to apply again.

If you decide to look for a job try www.med.wayne.edu, there is a pull down menu with a "job listing" as an option. There are a lot of research assistant positions there. Also google University of Michigan Health Care System and click on careers. There are a number of positions open there too. Good luck!

Thank you for all of that information. I really appreciate it. I'm sure I'll be looking through there to find a research job of some sort!

And, I hope FloridaRL's spot goes to someone! Thanks for the update, FloridaRL.

 

[anhydrase]

Thank you for all of that information. I really appreciate it. I'm sure I'll be looking through there to find a research job of some sort!

And, I hope FloridaRL's spot goes to someone! Thanks for the update, FloridaRL.

If anybody else has questions about the BMS program feel free to ask me since I just finished it. I completed the 34 credits faster than any of my friends in the program, and it still took me from September 2004 until December of 2005. At orientation Dawn Street told all of us that if we pulled a 3.5 GPA through 20 credits of didactic science courses and had at least 9's on each section of the MCAT you are pretty much set to get accepted. I don't know how true this really is though... I had nearly a 3.7 GPA through 24 credits when I submitted my AMCAS and my MCAT was pretty good and I still got waitlisted. The only people I know of that were outright accepted from my classes were 2 people who had 4.0's through 20 credits. All I know is that if I don't get in off the waitlist I will most likely be in the caribbean next year.

 

[georgeomally]

If anybody else has questions about the BMS program feel free to ask me since I just finished it. I completed the 34 credits faster than any of my friends in the program, and it still took me from September 2004 until December of 2005. At orientation Dawn Street told all of us that if we pulled a 3.5 GPA through 20 credits of didactic science courses and had at least 9's on each section of the MCAT you are pretty much set to get accepted. I don't know how true this really is though... I had nearly a 3.7 GPA through 24 credits when I submitted my AMCAS and my MCAT was pretty good and I still got waitlisted. The only people I know of that were outright accepted from my classes were 2 people who had 4.0's through 20 credits. All I know is that if I don't get in off the waitlist I will most likely be in the caribbean next year.

If you don't mind, how did you do on your MCAT? Just curious about how why the waitlisted you cause a 3.7 science gpa is great!

 

[PistonsMD]

Any new info?

 

[mtDNA]

well, its definitely Friday, so I am hoping something happens, but I am feeling like they are going to make people wait another week from the sounds of it.

 

[Jon Davis]

well, its definitely Friday, so I am hoping something happens, but I am feeling like they are going to make people wait another week from the sounds of it.

That ties into my thesis that they are behind schedule. Hope we are right.

 

[SmoothNC]

Okay I do not know what's going on at Wayne but when I just called, I was told that 5 alternates have been offered and that the class is "full". First, this is very odd to me because I personally know about 6-7 people that withdrew acceptances to Wayne, and since Wayne initially accepts the exact number of the class size, there has to be more spots open. I don't know if they are lying to us or what. When I followed up with "when do you think the bulk of the movement will occur" the response I got was "I don't know if there IS going to be a bulk"......is that complete BS or what.

 

[PriorityMed]

I hope it is BS, but when I called they said that this year was a year that they actually did overaccept, so people who withdrew just brought the class size toward what it needs to be, instead of making it too small.

 

[SmoothNC]

I hope it is BS, but when I called they said that this year was a year that they actually did overaccept, so people who withdrew just brought the class size toward what it needs to be, instead of making it too small.

If this is the case, then I don't know what to think because they clearly explained on interview day that they have 6 offer dates and they accept 1/6 of the class on each offer date. This contradicts what you heard about "overaccepting". So, either they lied to everyone who interviewed, or they are lying to us now. In either case, that is very unprofessional.

 

[PriorityMed]

I think it's more complex than that... Perhaps "they" includes the admissions secretaries as well as the committee. The woman I interviewed with flat out told me that she thought the committee had a lottery ball machine to decide who was in and who wasn't. It's entirely possible that the secretaries that answer the phone are being told one thing, and that the interviewers are being told something separate. The thing that I think is annoying is the fact that applicants put so much effort into the application process, and at schools like Wayne the waitlist isn't even publicly ranked, so we have no clue where we stand. Good luck either way, I'm going to the Tigers game...

 

[georgeomally]

I think it's more complex than that... Perhaps "they" includes the admissions secretaries as well as the committee. The woman I interviewed with flat out told me that she thought the committee had a lottery ball machine to decide who was in and who wasn't. It's entirely possible that the secretaries that answer the phone are being told one thing, and that the interviewers are being told something separate. The thing that I think is annoying is the fact that applicants put so much effort into the application process, and at schools like Wayne the waitlist isn't even publicly ranked, so we have no clue where we stand. Good luck either way, I'm going to the Tigers game...

I thought the admissions committe consisted of all the interviewers???

 

[bagonnia]

I also think they have not been telling the truth about this whole 1/6 of the class is offered every offer date.

That means in the last few days they gave away 3 more seats... I was not one of those three people. Hopefully this trend continues all summer long, and eventually we will get off of it.

Just keep praying for the best.

 

[PriorityMed]

The adcom is all the interviewers I'm pretty sure... but the people answering the phones might be working with different info? That's what I was proposing, I really have no idea... On a side note, Jones is the worst closer ever and I hope the Heat win, they deserve the championship cause the Pistons didn't even show up all series.

 

[etf]

The adcom is all the interviewers I'm pretty sure... but the people answering the phones might be working with different info? That's what I was proposing, I really have no idea... On a side note, Jones is the worst closer ever and I hope the Heat win, they deserve the championship cause the Pistons didn't even show up all series.

i'll die a happy man knowing that gary payton, antoine walker, and alonzo mourning never won a championship. my hopes are that dal or phx sweep them.

 

[PistonsMD]

Does anyone know how many people are on the instate or out of state list?