Western/COMP Discussion Thread 2010-2011

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I currently live in Pasadena and the commute has been no problem for me so far. It is against traffic each way and takes roughly 25 minutes for each leg. It is totally doable but may require you to be a bit more of a morning person to compensate for the drive time. I have no plans to move from Pasadena and really like living here. Feel free to ask more questions if you have any.

Hey,

I'm also planning on commuting from Pasadena. Do you usually just drive to campus and back once per day or do you find yourself having to go back and forth multiple times? Kind of a random question, but since my commute is so crazy right now I want to try and cut down a little on driving lest the mileage restrictions on my car lease come back to bite me.
 
Hi Everyone,
I am new to SDN. My application was complete mid-December and my application status read 'complete ready for review'. last week my status was changed to 'complete ready to process'. After the status change I called to ask what it meant. Robin said it meant the same as 'complete ready for review' and that I should hear something soon....I am a little confused...if it means the same thing, why make the change???

Any of you who were invited to an interview or who were denied acceptance before an interview run into this?? Just anxious about where I stand.
Thanks!!
 
I called yesterday only to find out a decision has not been made on my file🙁 its especially weird because so many people who interviewed with me (Dec 11th) have an answer🙁

anyone else is same boat?

I'm rooting for you dude! you clearly want it a lot!
 
Hi Everyone,
I am new to SDN. My application was complete mid-December and my application status read 'complete ready for review'. last week my status was changed to 'complete ready to process'. After the status change I called to ask what it meant. Robin said it meant the same as 'complete ready for review' and that I should hear something soon....I am a little confused...if it means the same thing, why make the change???

Any of you who were invited to an interview or who were denied acceptance before an interview run into this?? Just anxious about where I stand.
Thanks!!


If I were you I wouldn't read too much into the status changes. In fact, it's almost pointless checking Banweb once your file is complete. If you get an interview, you will get a phone call and it won't be updated on Banweb. I just checked mine and it also says "Complete ready to process" despite me being accepted already!
 
Hey,

I'm also planning on commuting from Pasadena. Do you usually just drive to campus and back once per day or do you find yourself having to go back and forth multiple times? Kind of a random question, but since my commute is so crazy right now I want to try and cut down a little on driving lest the mileage restrictions on my car lease come back to bite me.

I'd like to know this as well.
 
Hi guys, I have just recently decided to apply to DO schools. How fast is Western response time after secondary completion?

For AZCOM, I received an interview invite 5 days after I completed in Jan.
 
Hi guys, I have just recently decided to apply to DO schools. How fast is Western response time after secondary completion?

For AZCOM, I received an interview invite 5 days after I completed in Jan.

It varies from case to case, I know people that heard backn in less than 20 days, and I know people that have heard back after 4 months.
 
interview invite Jan 27th, anyone else here interviewing that day?

best of luck dude. they must have read your posts here since the season began and decided to give you a shot cause you certainly have been hoping for this for a long time!
 
Hi guys, I have just recently decided to apply to DO schools. How fast is Western response time after secondary completion?

For AZCOM, I received an interview invite 5 days after I completed in Jan.

Western varies, but they're definitely not as fast as AZCOM. I received an invite to Western a little over 3 months after submitting the secondary (although I was told that they had tried to call me earlier, but I never got the message). I think AZCOM has the fastest turnaround (about a week for me). I wouldn't expect a response that quick from Western. Good luck!
 
Western varies, but they're definitely not as fast as AZCOM. I received an invite to Western a little over 3 months after submitting the secondary (although I was told that they had tried to call me earlier, but I never got the message). I think AZCOM has the fastest turnaround (about a week for me). I wouldn't expect a response that quick from Western. Good luck!


Thanks! Yeah, AZCOM was surprisingly fast.
 
I called yesterday only to find out a decision has not been made on my file🙁 its especially weird because so many people who interviewed with me (Dec 11th) have an answer🙁

anyone else is same boat?

HEY DRCTOTHER,

I hope this isn't me being nosy, but did you find out if you're accepted or not yet? I've been silently rooting for you!!! hope you hear the good news soon.
 
HEY DRCTOTHER,

I hope this isn't me being nosy, but did you find out if you're accepted or not yet? I've been silently rooting for you!!! hope you hear the good news soon.

hey! No you are definitely not being nosy. I was accepted yesterday🙂 so will 100% be attending!

Any good news for yourself?!
 
Drctother!

I've been rooting for you as well. Congratulations and I look forward to being your classmate next year!
 
hey! No you are definitely not being nosy. I was accepted yesterday🙂 so will 100% be attending!

Any good news for yourself?!


Congrats! I'm glad to hear it worked out in your favor! 🙂 I was accepted to COMP about a month ago- I am SO GLAD this application cycle is over for me and that somehow I ended up at my #1 choice.
 
Congrats! I'm glad to hear it worked out in your favor! 🙂 I was accepted to COMP about a month ago- I am SO GLAD this application cycle is over for me and that somehow I ended up at my #1 choice.

Yeah Im pretty sure the day I know for fact my application cycle is over, I will be at a bar at around noon and won't leave till midnight at earliest.
 
Hey is anyone doing anything interesting between now and when class starts? I'm weighing hiking along the pacific crest trail or learning spanish in spain.
 
Just payed my second deposit.......I'll be joining you in the fall!
CLASS OF 2015!!!!

Yaay let the 10 years of financial debt begin! 🙂 I feel kind of like I do when I'm about to ski down a black diamond slope. There's no turning back people.... Just enjoy the ride....
 
10 years? More like 20. O well, WORTH IT!

Eh..more like <14 if you're frugal* and don't have much from undergrad. There are a lot of repayment options / shortcuts out there as well. You can also borrow from family if possible.

Like everybody else, I was worried about loan repayment before I got to COMP. I made a huge Excel sheet that detailed how much I'd have to pay each year, along with all of the interest accumulating, etc, etc. There were a few errors on it though, and after meeting with Financial Aid, I found that it was much less daunting than I had originally thought.

Don't drop out and you'll be fine. You'll be paying it off for at least a decade, but it won't destroy your life.


*and by frugal, I mean not an idiot. You can eat out (actually, you'll might find eating out to be a good use of your time when it gets really busy), but don't eat $30 meals every week. It's tempting, but you don't need to blow your student loans on an omakase meal. Don't use your free nights to rack up a $60 bar tab. You don't need $300 headphones, nor do you have to buy the nicest stethoscope** (I'm sure that your PCP uses a Littmann Classic or similar and it's good enough for them). That stuff will cost double by the time you pay it back.

I will say that it's worth getting the Welch Allyn otoscope/opthalmoscope for $700-800. I bought the RA Bock, $89 kit from StarvingMedStudent originally. When you get to COMP, a ton of classmates will inevitably buy it because it's cheap. The otoscope in the kit is decent (has a nice big viewing area), but the opthalmoscope is trash. The light is dim and the lenses are terrible. Even getting a complete red reflex off of mine was hard because it couldn't put enough light into the eye. The Welch Allyn puts out so much light on the max setting that it feels like staring at the sun. I also like that it's rechargeable.
 
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Yeah Im pretty sure the day I know for fact my application cycle is over, I will be at a bar at around noon and won't leave till midnight at earliest.

Im in Australia does that count😛 my day consists of: wake up, hit the beach, maybe surf or other beach sports, drink heavily from dinner on with friends (sometimes from noon at the beach😛), pass out....and repeat
 
Im in Australia does that count😛 my day consists of: wake up, hit the beach, maybe surf or other beach sports, drink heavily from dinner on with friends (sometimes from noon at the beach😛), pass out....and repeat

sounds amazing.......could really use some of that! wolverinepwns, congrats on the interview man! I know we were kinda in the same boat, gives me hope that western might still pull through for me! Come on cali! I've been complete for at least 4 months now...at least I haven't received the pre-interview hold email. Good luck!
 
Hey, WCOMP Class of 2014 checking in.

I'm originally from Michigan and fell in love with UMDNJ early on in the application. If I had gotten into UMDNJSOM I would've cancelled my WCOMP interview, but, I got waitlisted.

I remember when I stepped out of my hotel shuttle the morning of the interview. Sunny. Palm trees. My flight had landed at Ontario airport the night before so I hadn't had the chance to get a look at my surroundings.

I wanted to hate Western. Truly, I did. It would've made things so much easier. I would've been able to go home and focus all of my hopes and expectations on UMDNJ.

By the end of the day, I realized that, no, I really didn't hate the school. Actually, it was pretty great. "Tied for first place in the barren wasteland that is my brain"-sort of great. I eventually got accepted to both schools. I struggled for a while, but the main issue for me was cost. UMDNJ was cheaper. I liked WCOMP a bit more. In the end, I gave in and went where I thought I'd be happy.

I don't know if I've ever been so happy in my whole life. Let's not get me wrong - WCOMP is still a medical school. It's hard. The school sometimes does things that aren't perfect. It's unbearably hot in SoCal sometimes. On the other hand, there's nowhere else I'd rather be. Even when it's bad and I haven't slept well in days and all I want is a home-cooked meal, a nap, and my laundry to magically do itself, it's good.

I don't know what your priorities in searching for a school are, so I don't know if you'll have the same reaction as me. There are people in my class who can't wait to graduate and get away. I just know that the school fit me. It had everything I wanted, and moreover, it just felt right. I'll spare everybody the hassle of having to read a huge post, so I'll only list a few of the things I liked about the school. If you want more info, PM me.

1) Strong board scores and diverse match list. I know that people say not to put too much stock in the match list, but it seems like WCOMP sends graduates all over the place. I don't know where I'll end up in the future, but if I want to know that I have options. I'm not ready to say I'll settle down in one place.

2) Amazing standardized patient lab (where you talk to actors/actresses). I think this is the reason for WCOMP having top board scores during the 2nd board exam. Learning to communicate effectively is also a priority of mine, so I really wanted to get experience from the lab instead of trying settling into possible bad habits in practice.

3) Expansion. Western was one of the few schools I was at where it felt like there was active growth / achievement. They keep tweaking things. I'd rather have that and the inevitable mistakes associated with it instead of an institution where the administration isn't particularly concerned about improvement.

4) Environment. I'm a rural kid. Even though I might go back to a rural area, I want to see something new. I want to see how people think outside of a sleepy small town. I want to see what it's like to be in an urban healthcare setting. I want to see what kind of illnesses and ailment people can get from fast-paced city life.

5) Curriculum. This is pretty much just for me I think, but I like some of the additions and improvement in COMP's classes. There are things like Interprofessional Education. I don't know how effective the class will be but I firmly believe that I'll never be a proper doctor unless I can work effectively with people from other professions. They're working case-studies and such into the curriculum (which is making people cry, but that's another topic of discussion entirely - I tried the mock-PBL session at LECOM and thought it was ridiculously fun. Kind of like playing "House: The Game."). They have Standardized Patients, and it's not a once-in-a-while thing - I feel like I see them enough to be getting some real practice off of them. We're only doing basic things so far but I'm beginning to get a feel for what a doctor's visit is supposed to be like - how I'm supposed to manage my time, what basics I should be thinking about, etc.

ANYWAY.

My point is that you should do some more research. If you decide that COMP is okay and you have some extra cash and time, I'd suggest just coming for the interview. You'll never know otherwise.

I'll end by saying that the cost of living in Cali is.. yes, it's higher. Rent is higher, anyway. Gas is ~$3.00 right now. Utilities feel about the same, although most apartments here charge for stuff like sewer and garbage (never happens in Michigan). Tuition... well, yeah. It'll hurt. However, I did my own calculations and found that if you're willing to not do things like, say, buy a Mercedes right when you finish residency, you will be fine. You will be able to pay your loan and have a solid chunk left over. If you can get a loan from your family or save and not use loans to pay for your first year living costs, that'll help a lot as well.

So, since the only other important thing to pay for besides those things is food, I'll talk about that.
1) If you shop at the usual American chain groceries, it's going to hurt. Milk in Michigan is under $2/gal. I think it might even be $1.75 usually. At Albertson's here, it's ~$4. Go to an Asian or Mexican market (or an American chain in a heavily Asian/Mexican area) and you'll find that the food is not only sometimes better, but you'll find a ton of awesome ethnic items, and they'll all be cheaper. Seriously. Produce at HMart (a huge Korean supermarket) is absurdly fresh and cheap. Chorizo is made in-house at Jimenez Carniceria for $3 or less / lb (5 links).
2) Restaurants aren't too expensive. I think that there are just too many of them, so they have to be reasonably priced and GOOD or nobody will go. You can eat really well for $10. If you're adventurous, there is an endless supply of restaurants to try.

This was way longer than I wanted it to be. I need to study now.

So which one did you end up going and why?
 
Hey,

I'm also planning on commuting from Pasadena. Do you usually just drive to campus and back once per day or do you find yourself having to go back and forth multiple times? Kind of a random question, but since my commute is so crazy right now I want to try and cut down a little on driving lest the mileage restrictions on my car lease come back to bite me.

I drive once. I pack up what I need the night before so I'm not scrambling and forgetting things in the morning. I also maximize my time on campus. I try to get to campus around 7am and I generally like to stay until at least 6pm. When I get home I study basically until around 8 or 830 and then I call it. I treat it like a job, and its worked out well so far. But to go back to your original question - you won't be driving back and forth unless you forget something essential (OMM Clothes, ECM Clothes (shirt, tie etc)). Your schedule will be such that you arent gonna have a lot of time in between classes like in undergrad. You are there in class for a chunk of time and then have lunch, then chunk o' class, then out for the day.
 
I drive once. I pack up what I need the night before so I'm not scrambling and forgetting things in the morning. I also maximize my time on campus. I try to get to campus around 7am and I generally like to stay until at least 6pm. When I get home I study basically until around 8 or 830 and then I call it. I treat it like a job, and its worked out well so far. But to go back to your original question - you won't be driving back and forth unless you forget something essential (OMM Clothes, ECM Clothes (shirt, tie etc)). Your schedule will be such that you arent gonna have a lot of time in between classes like in undergrad. You are there in class for a chunk of time and then have lunch, then chunk o' class, then out for the day.

Thanks so much for the thorough answer! Definitely helps my decision about how to handle the commute, etc. Sounds doable.
 
I have 2 quick questions regarding Western.

First-despite the fact the school is in lovely Socal-I have repeatedly heard that Western is in a terrible, ugly part of Socal. Is this really the case? If so, how bad is it, and is it bad to the point that it really should be a factor when deciding to attend or not.

Secondly, I decided not to send a secondary for several reasons I won't go into, however I have rethought things. Anyhow, I just received an email from them stating that they have not received my complete application and they are "very interested in me as a prospective student and that they urge me to send in my secondary".

My question is, is this just a standard email they send anyone who hasn't sent in their secondary in an attempt to collect secondary fees, or do you think they only send this email to people who they want to invite for an interview? Thanks.
 
I have 2 quick questions regarding Western.

First-despite the fact the school is in lovely Socal-I have repeatedly heard that Western is in a terrible, ugly part of Socal. Is this really the case? If so, how bad is it, and is it bad to the point that it really should be a factor when deciding to attend or not.

Secondly, I decided not to send a secondary for several reasons I won't go into, however I have rethought things. Anyhow, I just received an email from them stating that they have not received my complete application and they are "very interested in me as a prospective student and that they urge me to send in my secondary".

My question is, is this just a standard email they send anyone who hasn't sent in their secondary in an attempt to collect secondary fees, or do you think they only send this email to people who they want to invite for an interview? Thanks.

i can't answer your first question but just some pointers about your second one. i don't know if it is a generic email or a genuine email but everyone says the school is picky in giving out interviews. however, i know that when i hadn't completed a secondary for a diff school, i kept getting their 'we are interested in you' emails, and so did a friend of mine. but the bigger question, regardless of the school's interest in you, is are YOU interested in the school? Since you haven't done the secondary, I think you've made your decision. If you've changed your mind about the school, you might as well do it. you know yourself best (or someone close to you does also) so based on that and researching the school, you can figure it out.
 
First-despite the fact the school is in lovely Socal-I have repeatedly heard that Western is in a terrible, ugly part of Socal. Is this really the case? If so, how bad is it, and is it bad to the point that it really should be a factor when deciding to attend or not.

1) If you've lived in clean, upper-middle class suburbs or better your whole life, you might think Pomona is scary.
2) If you've lived anywhere else (urban or rural) or have had any life experiences outside of the classroom, you'll be fine.

Pomona obviously isn't going to win any awards in terms of socioeconomic status, but, it's really not that bad. There are homeless people around, but very few. They're not aggressive. When you drive to school in the morning, there are throngs of children from elementary to high school age that walk to school. If a child can walk around in Pomona, you won't have any issues on campus. (Note: I would refrain from walking around Pomona at late-night while alone... but why would you be in Pomona at late-night?).

I spend a good deal of time in Pomona buying groceries or eating out. The people seem pretty nice to me. I don't know if I would live there (although I have friends that do and have no issues), but nothing bad will happen to you if you have even a modicum of street smarts. Don't walk around alone at night. If you have to, make sure you're aware of your surroundings, i.e. take the headphones off your ears. Put your cell phone away. Don't get into the van with no windows when the driver says that they've got candy, because they don't. Duh.

Two cars got broken into last semester. As far as I know, both of them had GPS units sitting on the dashboard and one incident happened in broad daylight. To me, that's just asking for trouble. I would think that it's common sense to hide your GPS when you park in any urban area. There are some nicer cars on campus that never have issues. If you feel really, really nervous about it you can park in the nearby parking structure. It's free if you have a Western parking permit.

The school has a solid 24 hour security presence on campus so it's very safe. The parking lots can be a bit far (2 minute walk) from the main campus which is why cars can get broken into, but security does patrol around. If you're studying late at night and feel nervous, you can get security to walk you to your car. Actually, security commonly offers to walk people to their cars if they see any students walking around alone at night. I have never felt unsafe on campus, even at midnight.

Summary: Like most things, be reasonable and you won't get screwed. It's not Detroit.
 
I've been to Western multiple times and I didn't feel threatened/unsafe. The neighborhood looks relatively run-down but it's an underserved area. I think having a medical school amidst such a location is great.
 
Eh..more like <14 if you're frugal* and don't have much from undergrad. There are a lot of repayment options / shortcuts out there as well. You can also borrow from family if possible.
I think the big thing to remember when it comes to loans is that there is no prepayment penalty. Just because you picked the 30 year option doesn't mean you can't repay it in 10.

I will say that it's worth getting the Welch Allyn otoscope/opthalmoscope for $700-800. I bought the RA Bock, $89 kit from StarvingMedStudent originally. When you get to COMP, a ton of classmates will inevitably buy it because it's cheap. The otoscope in the kit is decent (has a nice big viewing area), but the opthalmoscope is trash. The light is dim and the lenses are terrible. Even getting a complete red reflex off of mine was hard because it couldn't put enough light into the eye. The Welch Allyn puts out so much light on the max setting that it feels like staring at the sun. I also like that it's rechargeable.

Alternatively, shop around a bit. I think the $700-800 for the PanOptic package is a little bit overboard, but when I saw the Starving Students scope, the first word that came to mind was "trash." Personally, I ended up picking up a Welch Allyn Pocket Junior set for a little over $200 and I love it. The case fits in the pocket well and it's not overly heavy like a few of the others. The one problem with it is I do have a little problem getting a good view of the optic disc and all withe the opthalmoscope, but I think that's more due to a lack of practice combined with an undialated exam than anything else. I definitely don't have a problem with a red reflex. I think the key is to shop around instead of just buying what ever toys the Welch Allyn rep has out (remember, he may be a friendly guy, but he isn't your friend).
 
I have 2 quick questions regarding Western.

First-despite the fact the school is in lovely Socal-I have repeatedly heard that Western is in a terrible, ugly part of Socal. Is this really the case? If so, how bad is it, and is it bad to the point that it really should be a factor when deciding to attend or not.
The campus is nice, but yes, Pomona is a trash heap, which is why I don't study outside at Pomona. However, my study room, let me show it to you:

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That's about a 15-20 minute drive from where I live, and absolutely worth it for a few good hours of studying in almost complete isolation with a beautiful view.
 
A month or so ago I got the email telling me that I was "not selected" for an interview "at this time", and was then placed on hold. Has anyone out there been lifted from that status and granted an interview or otherwise? I'm wondering if people have been given interviews or if they are still in an early phase of interviewing.
 
Thanks so much for the thorough answer! Definitely helps my decision about how to handle the commute, etc. Sounds doable.

Yep, totally doable. What you should consider, though, is how active you plan on being on campus. It will be more difficult for you to shoot on over to school than it is for your classmates who live closer. It may hinder, or at the very least, take a little extra effort for you to hang out around the area after exams, on weekends, etc. This really isn't an issue for me since I'm married and don't really go out all that often. But, if being involved with on campus activities and being active within the class are important to you, you may want to consider living closer since each time you come to school will = 1 hour round trip in the car.

That said, I really like Pasadena. It is far enough from Pomona to feel like a totally different place. Its as easy for me to pop over to the west side as it is for me to head out to Pomona. The Gold Line takes me directly to Little Toyko where delicious food awaits. I can ride my bike to study at Cal Tech, which has a pretty sweet campus and nice libraries. Anyway, I'm getting off on a tangent, but there are pluses and minuses to living 30 minutes from school. You will just need to weigh them and figure out what you want your med school experience to be like.
 
Awfully quiet it in here. Any new interview invites/acceptance? I wish I didn't apply so late. 🙁
 
Thanks😀 Make sure to join the Facebook group for western c/o 2015!

wow, i've been MIA for quite some time. Congrats on your acceptance drctother! Looking forward to meeting everyone who's been accepted at Western! 🙂

There's a facebook group for western c/o 2015? What's the link?

And good luck to all those who are still waiting! :luck::xf:
 
To all those accepted and/or looking for the facebook group link check out the osteopathic school threads under medical student forums and there is a class of 2015 thread.
 
accepted yesterday by snailmail...interviwed last week
folow up: decided to pay 1k deposit just in case

edit: might actually pick this over MD school, due to location, and the more i read about the program the more i love it...so much opportunities for global work!
 
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accepted yesterday by snailmail...interviwed last week
anyonne kno how flexible they r bout deposit cuz i hav some md interviews coming up and would hate to have the $1000 go to waste...


Congrats! Do you mind sharing your scores/completion date? As for your question, I do not know...yet.