Western U - Deposit Refund?

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sugarbabee0

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I placed a $2,000 deposit at Western U (Pomona) and I dont think I want to go there. I understand that the deposits are "non-refundable" but is there ANY way of getting the deposit back?

It's TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS!!! I'm sure there's a way to get it back just not sure how... Any ideas? And it'll open up a spot for someone else interested 🙂
 
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I placed a $2,000 deposit at Western U (Pomona) and I dont think I want to go there. I understand that the deposits are "non-refundable" but is there ANY way of getting the deposit back?

It's TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS!!! I'm sure there's a way to get it back just not sure how... Any ideas? And it'll open up a spot for someone else interested 🙂

Sounds like you understand that those non-refundable deposits are non-refundable so :slap:
 
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I placed a $2,000 deposit at Western U (Pomona) and I dont think I want to go there. I understand that the deposits are "non-refundable" but is there ANY way of getting the deposit back?

It's TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS!!! I'm sure there's a way to get it back just not sure how... Any ideas? And it'll open up a spot for someone else interested 🙂


Deposits may be listed as "non-refundable" but provided they haven't deposited the check, just call your bank, put a stop payment on it and let the school know the check will bounce if they cash it.

This is why they have a waitlist. That's two thousand dollars, and it's ridiculous to just let slide away like that. People in here will lecture you on ethics ad nauseum, but what are the ethical grounds for charging a student fresh out of school and probably in debt such an exorbitant fee simply to hold a seat?

You can play their game too, and nothing will happen. Just be sure to let them know you cancelled the check.
 
what are the ethical grounds for charging a student fresh out of school and probably in debt such an exorbitant fee simply to hold a seat?

Entirely ethical. You know going in that such a deposit is required to hold a seat once accepted. It's your choice to decline the acceptance or pay the deposit. It's supposed to discourage holding multiple acceptances. You don't like it, don't send deposit.
 
Entirely ethical. You know going in that such a deposit is required to hold a seat once accepted. It's your choice to decline the acceptance or pay the deposit. It's supposed to discourage holding multiple acceptances. You don't like it, don't send deposit.

Or you can stop the check and get your deposit back......
 
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I don't think you're following me. While MD schools only allow you to carry one acceptance, it is neither unethical nor disallowed to carry multiple DO acceptances provided you pay. If you cancel your check and tell the school that you're pulling your deposit, your application will be inactivated and your spot given to someone on the waitlist. Everyone wins and you save 2 grand.
 
i think tkim is just saying that it's not unethical to charge $2,000 as a holding deposit - you're ultimately the one deciding whether or not to enter into the agreement. it's still "ok" to put a stop on the check, provided that the school hasn't cashed it. i would think it's unlikely since it's already april though.

i would think MD on east coast would still have an advantage over DO in terms of matching ACGME, but that really depends on the field you're looking at.
 
i think tkim is just saying that it's not unethical to charge $2,000 as a holding deposit - you're ultimately the one deciding whether or not to enter into the agreement. it's still "ok" to put a stop on the check, provided that the school hasn't cashed it. i would think it's unlikely since it's already april though.

i would think MD on east coast would still have an advantage over DO in terms of matching ACGME, but that really depends on the field you're looking at.

Well, I think it is a bad idea to turn down a totally good DO school in CA to REAPPLY for MD schools, fearing the DO stigma.
 
Well, I think it is a bad idea to turn down a totally good DO school in CA to REAPPLY for MD schools, fearing the DO stigma.

agreed. OP, you're going to be a physician no matter what anyone else says. if DO is the only choice you have, then you should take it. heck, if you perceive a DO stigma, then why not fight against it by being the best damn DO anyone has seen around your area?

be the shining example of what a DO can accomplish. then the stigma you perceive will be lessened by the work you do, not by the two letters after your name.
 
This topic/question comes up multiple times each application cycles, for many years now. Schools with high non-refundable deposits would have wised up by now to "stop checks" and "funds insufficient" and probably have a process in place to quickly cash/deposit the checks as soon as possible to minimize people using the above tactics.

This isn't the first thread to ask this question, and it won't be the last. I know if I was an administrator working for the admission department, I would make sure checks are cashed as soon as they arrive.
 
You're going to lose the deposit.

Jinobi and athadam, I see where you two are coming from and I agree for the most part, but if sugarbabee would not be happy with the D.O. degree then she shouldn't pursue it. It all comes down to personal preference and if obtaining an M.D. is that important to her then by all means she should go for it. She shouldn't take a spot that somebody else would put to better use.

Good luck on getting that M.D. 👍
 
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You're going to lose the deposit.

Jinobi and athadam, I see where you two are coming from and I agree for the most part, but if sugarbabee would not be happy with the D.O. degree then she shouldn't pursue it. It all comes down to personal preference and if obtaining an M.D. is that important to her then by all means she should go for it. She shouldn't take a spot that somebody else would put to better use.

Good luck on getting that M.D. 👍

I feel strongly about it because I was in him/her shoes 3 years ago, MD or nothing. But as I started working, I became more mature and saw my mistake, as well as seeing DOs everywhere working happily along side with MDs. Now im very happy with becoming a DO.
Do not turn down that acceptance, DEFER instead if needed.
 
I don't think you're following me. While MD schools only allow you to carry one acceptance, it is neither unethical nor disallowed to carry multiple DO acceptances provided you pay.

What are you talking about dude? People carry multiple MD acceptances with deposits all the time and wait until fin aid packages to decide.

I don't think you're following the thread. It's April. OP paid that deposit a while ago and is having second thoughts. No way check is in transit. It's sitting in the coffers of the mighty Pumerantz, under some huge mountain.
 

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=civ&group=01001-02000&file=1708-1725
1719. (a) (1) Notwithstanding any penal sanctions that may apply, any person who passes a check on insufficient funds shall be liable to the payee for the amount of the check and a service charge payable to the payee for an amount not to exceed twenty-five dollars ($25) for the first check passed on insufficient funds and an amount not to exceed thirty-five dollars ($35) for each subsequent check to that payee passed on insufficient funds.

... (3) Notwithstanding paragraphs (1) and (2), a person shall not be liable for the service charge, costs to mail the written demand, or treble damages if he or she stops payment in order to resolve a good faith dispute with the payee. The payee is entitled to the service charge, costs to mail the written demand, or treble damages only upon proving by clear and convincing evidence that there was no good faith dispute, as defined in subdivision (b).
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(6) As used in this subdivision, to "pass a check on insufficient funds" means to make, utter, draw, or deliver any check, draft, or order for the payment of money upon any bank, depository, person, firm, or corporation that refuses to honor the check, draft, or order for any of the following reasons:
(A) Lack of funds or credit in the account to pay the check.
(B) The person who wrote the check does not have an account with the drawee.
(C) The person who wrote the check instructed the drawee to stop payment on the check.


Disclaimer: not intended as legal advice, but rather advice to explore the details of the California Civil Code. If this is in violation of SDN's TOS, please remove.
 
What are you talking about dude? People carry multiple MD acceptances with deposits all the time and wait until fin aid packages to decide.

I don't think you're following the thread. It's April. OP paid that deposit a while ago and is having second thoughts. No way check is in transit. It's sitting in the coffers of the mighty Pumerantz, under some huge mountain.

Yep. They stopped interviewing a while ago and I'm pretty sure everyone's deposits have been due by now. They certainly didn't waste time cashing my check when I paid up.

If you really can't stand being a DO so much why the hell did you apply, interview, and pay the deposit???? What did you say when they asked you "why DO?" If you truely aren't going to get over your stigma, then by all means bail out. You're definitely not getting back the $ and you're going to have to come up with a lot more for the 2011-2012 cycle (which is coming up pretty soon!). Good luck with your application for next year.
 
DO stigma is quickly becoming a thing of the past. just look at this year's match list.
 
hey everyone thanks for your replies. That post that tkim found (im not sure even why he went through the trouble to research what ive posted and what not... maybe thats his thing but again, besides the point) was from a while back when I didnt know much about DO schools and I applied because pomona was very close to me... later, some people brought up the whole stigma thing and it kinda threw me off... I did some research, found that its all bs and put my deposit and was ready to start at western, a great school! A couple of weeks later, i got an acceptance to an MD with a really nice scholarship so I plan to go there...

I dont think its right for some big schools to take 2000 dollars from college students. MDs take 100-500? common 2000? thats rediculous. Im sure there is some way to get the money back... Just trying to figure out how. please dont reply saying "not possible" becase it is... just not sure yet how
 
hey everyone thanks for your replies. That post that tkim found (im not sure even why he went through the trouble to research what ive posted and what not... maybe thats his thing but again, besides the point) was from a while back when I didnt know much about DO schools and I applied because pomona was very close to me... later, some people brought up the whole stigma thing and it kinda threw me off... I did some research, found that its all bs and put my deposit and was ready to start at western, a great school! A couple of weeks later, i got an acceptance to an MD with a really nice scholarship so I plan to go there...

I dont think its right for some big schools to take 2000 dollars from college students. MDs take 100-500? common 2000? thats rediculous. Im sure there is some way to get the money back... Just trying to figure out how. please dont reply saying "not possible" becase it is... just not sure yet how

For some reason that kind of attitude bugs the crap out of me, don't know why. Maybe it's that "I can do what ever the hell I want" attitude, but OP good luck trying to get your deposit back, either you do and you can be happy or you don't and you can come back and bitch and be greeted with plenty of memes 😀
 
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I believe I remember reading that DO schools get much less government funding than MD schools, hence the bigger deposits and higher tuition. Get over it, you applied to a school who decided to give you a chance at a medical education and you accepted their terms and submitted their deposit. Just be content and move on with your life, because if you didn't get into that MD that DO and their $2000 deposit would be your only chance at learning medicine this year. Spoiled brat.
 
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hey everyone thanks for your replies. That post that tkim found (im not sure even why he went through the trouble to research what ive posted and what not... maybe thats his thing but again, besides the point) was from a while back when I didnt know much about DO schools and I applied because pomona was very close to me... later, some people brought up the whole stigma thing and it kinda threw me off... I did some research, found that its all bs and put my deposit and was ready to start at western, a great school! A couple of weeks later, i got an acceptance to an MD with a really nice scholarship so I plan to go there...

Totally called it.
 
, just call your bank, put a stop payment on it and let the school know the check will bounce if they cash it.

Just to clarify, the above suggestion is illegal! No gray area about it, if you wrote the check intending it to be cashed, and they didn't commit fraud (in the legal sense) then to stop payment to avoid it being cashed is illegal.

You shouldn't have written the check if you didn't want them to have your $2K. They didn't force you to pay them, it was a choice and since they are clear it is not refundable it was a fully informed one.

Just accept your decision cost you $2,000 and move on with life.
 
Thank you for the explanation on why DO schools have a bigger deposits than MD schools. However I am still confused by this logic. DO schools have waitlists as well, and all they do is pull from the wait lists once somone rejects the seat. Is it reasonable for them to keep the deposit when they know they can refill the seat?

Why is it wrong to apply to both MD and DO schools, but have a stronger preference for a MD school? I applied to both, but I preferred to become a MD. However, I would have gladly started a DO school if I did not get into a MD school.



I believe I remember reading that DO schools get much less government funding than MD schools, hence the bigger deposits and higher tuition. Get over it, you applied to a school who decided to give you a chance at a medical education and you accepted their terms and submitted their deposit. Just be content and move on with your life, because if you didn't get into that MD that DO and their $2000 deposit would be your only chance at learning medicine this year. Spoiled brat.
 
Thank you for the explanation on why DO schools have a bigger deposits than MD schools. However I am still confused by this logic. DO schools have waitlists as well, and all they do is pull from the wait lists once somone rejects the seat. Is it reasonable for them to keep the deposit when they know they can refill the seat?

Why is it wrong to apply to both MD and DO schools, but have a stronger preference for a MD school? I applied to both, but I preferred to become a MD. However, I would have gladly started a DO school if I did not get into a MD school.

DO schools do not have larger deposits because they get less funding. It's because DO schools are frequently used a backup to MD schools, and people traditionally held many DO acceptances until they got an MD acceptance, then dropped the DO acceptances, leaving those schools to open up to the waitlisters - usually at the last minute, causing lots of grief and stressful decisions. Wasn't unheard of for someone about to matriculate to a DO school, then withdrawing to go to an MD school come May 15 - or just before school started. The DO schools required larger deposits to discourage this.

The high deposit is meant to make it harder for someone to hold multiple acceptances. I mean, can you really afford to drop $5-6K in deposits to multiple schools? It's meant for you to seriously consider whether you want to go to the school or not, because as they make plainly clear, once you send that deposit in, it's non-refundable.

Lots of students face this problem early in the application year, when they get accepted to one school that requires a large deposit while waiting for other schools to either admit, waitlist or reject. Conventional wisdom is that if you have no other acceptances, and the window to accept with a deposit is closing, to suck it up and place a deposit on that one school and see what else shakes out the rest of the interview season, with the understanding that that deposit was lost and the cost of playing the med school admissions game.

It's not every DO school that does this, either. TUCOM, when I was applying, was the harshest, with a $2000 non-refundable deposit requirement two weeks after acceptance. If you interviewed early there and were accepted, you had a tough decision to make. Western, like other schools, require the deposit in two steps as time passed. Some state DO schools do not require a high deposit and are line with a lot of MD schools.

Another reason why MD schools have lower tuition deposits is that traditionally students wait for the financial aid packages from each school, which could drastically change the affordability of each school. DO schools don't give nearly as much fin aid, so holding on to mutliple acceptances with the hope of getting aid isn't as important.

With the MD schools, the fin aid package can make an expensive school much more attainable, so they make it cheaper to hold on to multiple acceptances until May 15, when you are required to keep only one acceptance. Can't do that if you have drop a grand at each school. So, in reality, the MD schools aren't doing this because they're better or nicer, but as a method to keep you interested in their school and not scare you off right off the bat with their listed tuitions.

Things to think about.
 
Thank you, and it does make more sense now on an economical scale. You are right if you are using a school as a back up it is wise to consider the non refundable deposit. I suggest for anyone applying keep in mind that SOME DO schools are easy to get in so if you submit early your probability of getting in is high.



DO schools do not have larger deposits because they get less funding. It's because DO schools are frequently used a backup to MD schools, and people traditionally held many DO acceptances until they got an MD acceptance, then dropped the DO acceptances, leaving those schools to open up to the waitlisters - usually at the last minute, causing lots of grief and stressful decisions. Wasn't unheard of for someone about to matriculate to a DO school, then withdrawing to go to an MD school come May 15 - or just before school started. The DO schools required larger deposits to discourage this.

The high deposit is meant to make it harder for someone to hold multiple acceptances. I mean, can you really afford to drop $5-6K in deposits to multiple schools? It's meant for you to seriously consider whether you want to go to the school or not, because as they make plainly clear, once you send that deposit in, it's non-refundable.

Lots of students face this problem early in the application year, when they get accepted to one school that requires a large deposit while waiting for other schools to either admit, waitlist or reject. Conventional wisdom is that if you have no other acceptances, and the window to accept with a deposit is closing, to suck it up and place a deposit on that one school and see what else shakes out the rest of the interview season, with the understanding that that deposit was lost and the cost of playing the med school admissions game.

It's not every DO school that does this, either. TUCOM, when I was applying, was the harshest, with a $2000 non-refundable deposit requirement two weeks after acceptance. If you interviewed early there and were accepted, you had a tough decision to make. Western, like other schools, require the deposit in two steps as time passed. Some state DO schools do not require a high deposit and are line with a lot of MD schools.

Another reason why MD schools have lower tuition deposits is that traditionally students wait for the financial aid packages from each school, which could drastically change the affordability of each school. DO schools don't give nearly as much fin aid, so holding on to mutliple acceptances with the hope of getting aid isn't as important.

With the MD schools, the fin aid package can make an expensive school much more attainable, so they make it cheaper to hold on to multiple acceptances until May 15, when you are required to keep only one acceptance. Can't do that if you have drop a grand at each school. So, in reality, the MD schools aren't doing this because they're better or nicer, but as a method to keep you interested in their school and not scare you off right off the bat with their listed tuitions.

Things to think about.
 
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Thank you, and it does make more sense now on an economical scale. You are right if you are using a school as a back up it is wise to consider the non refundable deposit. I suggest for anyone applying keep in mind that SOME DO schools are easy to get in so if you submit early your probability of getting in is high.

Your probability of getting in is greater if you apply early irrespective of which schools you apply to. Some schools are less selective than others, but it's hard to say which ones will give you a nod if you submit on say...June 1.
 
i know CCOM allows you to get $100 back from the $1000 deposit you put down earlier to hold the seat...

so i guess losing $900 is alot better than $2000...:scared:

but i highly doubted that you can get back the full $2000, MAYBE a very partial amount...

good luck with that..