What about Wash U?

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maximuum

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I was wondering what the current opinions are of Wash U in St. Louis? Is it considered a top ten anesthesiology program? I have been reading differing things about it on the FAQ's and scutwork and would like to hear what people on here think.
 
maximuum said:
I was wondering what the current opinions are of Wash U in St. Louis? Is it considered a top ten anesthesiology program? I have been reading differing things about it on the FAQ's and scutwork and would like to hear what people on here think.

I was pretty impressed when I interviewed there. They do have a very impressive case list (esp. lung transplants) and are one of the powerhouses for research. Residents were very cool, but seemed pretty tired. They've got a nice in-house moonlighting gig in which you sign up for 24 hr shifts and get $50/hr. I think they have 50 OR's in the main OR suite which also houses the simulator. Many residents complained that they sometimes felt that the program felt too big and impersonal but otherwise were quite pleased with their training. They have a new PD in Dr. Tom Cox and I was fairly impressed with him. He really seemed like he was a resident advocate and the upperclassman felt very comfortable with his leadership. They're definately worth taking a look at. And yeah, in my not so humble opinion, I think they are a "top ten" program (if that stuff is important to you).

I'm sure some Wash U people read this forum. Maybe one of them will chime in with their thoughts.
 
q3 call?? That seems a little excessively over the top. From what I have heard, Mayo, Wash U, and University of Chicago are the top programs in the Midwest. The most recent scutwork review was from an attending, and it sounded like they had changed things around since he graduated.
 
Solid program. Cardiac ICU there looked pretty intense. Q 3 is heavy but from what I recall residents have no call the first 6 months. Plenty o' reading can be accomplished within that span. With OR's spread out all over kingdom come I was left with a slight impression of impersonality. Not like the OR is a party but its nice to be able to commiserate/celebrate with your peers and I didn't get much sense of class cohesiveness. Albeit my exposure was limited to say the least.

I enjoyed my interview and thought the program was very stable but St. Louis was tough to handle comming from Chicago. Although having the Busweiser factory in town is a plus. I always wanted to catch a buzz with a Clydesdale. Overall I'm sure its a great place to train.

Not sure what is top 10 but you should interview there if you have any interest. They were paying for flights out there last year so you don't have anything to loose.
 
Hey Max,

I think you need to go there and check it out for yourself. They pay for plane ticket and a nice hotel in the medical center, so you really got nothing to lose. Another thing, don't get hung up on this "top ten" prestige thing. Instead find a program that you could see yourself happy at for 3 to 4 years that will get you where you need to go (fellowship, job, etc.). Plenty of people from no-name programs are landing prestigious fellowships and getting great jobs. Four years of grabbing your ankles is an awful long time so you might as well do it along with some people that you actually like! 😀
 
Not to burst anyone's bubbles but...the residency coordinator at WashU, Sharon Starks, told me that this past year was most likely the last year they will reimburse for interviewees' flights.

That being said I was really impressed with the program. It looked like I would be very well trained when I left and I didn't see any blaring deficiencies in the curriculum. The residents were nice. The interns didn't seem too thrilled about the categorical internship. Also, the schedule as described by Dr. Cox was quite a bit different than the schedule as described by the residents (ave 55 hrs/wk vs. 70-75 hrs/wk) which seemed a little odd to me.

I didn't mind what I saw of St. Louis either. My wife was excited about all the fun stuff you can do with kids for free.

Overall it is a pretty well-respected institution.
 
I just figured I would give my opinion re: this issue as I am a resident at Wash U. First off, I think it is crazy to rank programs as everyone knows that coastal programs (in general) get more press-yet not always for the best reasons (dude, there's a beach right near the hospital). The bottom line is go to a place where you feel you can thrive, where you can get along with your peers and what is good for you (and your family). I interviewed at all the big name places in the northeast (ny and boston)-I was top of my class and had 99 percentile on step I and II. So, I had my options but I chose wash u because of several reasons: friendly, intelligent, and driven housestaff (that motivate each other to get the most out of residency), world renowned medical, surgical and specialty residency and fellowship programs (there is not a weak link in this institution), huge surgical volume (every imaginable surgery is performed here), crazy sick patients (operating on patients with an EF of 10% with AS is not a rarity here but it sure does build skills and character), and a huge academic foundation for your learning. Great city for families but the single folks have fun too... I totally didn't think that I would end up in St. Louis but I am really glad I did. All replies/PM's are welcome-hope this helps...
 
New2Midwest said:
The bottom line is go to a place where you feel you can thrive, where you can get along with your peers and what is good for you (and your family).


Very well put. 👍
 
New2Midwest said:
I just figured I would give my opinion re: this issue as I am a resident at Wash U. First off, I think it is crazy to rank programs as everyone knows that coastal programs (in general) get more press-yet not always for the best reasons (dude, there's a beach right near the hospital). The bottom line is go to a place where you feel you can thrive, where you can get along with your peers and what is good for you (and your family). I interviewed at all the big name places in the northeast (ny and boston)-I was top of my class and had 99 percentile on step I and II. So, I had my options but I chose wash u because of several reasons: friendly, intelligent, and driven housestaff (that motivate each other to get the most out of residency), world renowned medical, surgical and specialty residency and fellowship programs (there is not a weak link in this institution), huge surgical volume (every imaginable surgery is performed here), crazy sick patients (operating on patients with an EF of 10% with AS is not a rarity here but it sure does build skills and character), and a huge academic foundation for your learning. Great city for families but the single folks have fun too... I totally didn't think that I would end up in St. Louis but I am really glad I did. All replies/PM's are welcome-hope this helps...

I would totally agree with the above assesment. Personally, I am finishing my CA-1 year and have really enjoyed it. I think that the teaching and people here are great (and I came from a general surgery residency: I knew absolutely nothing about anesthesia on before I started and felt like I was brought up to speed relatively quickly). BTW, we just had our ACGME site visit this year and were recertified with 0 deficiencies.

We do have quite a few attendings from England, who come over and do a 1 year block with us here, but i have found most of them to be quite interested in teaching, they are never malignant, and found it useful to be taught from the perspective of somebody trained outside of the US system.

As a CA-1, I have averaged approximately 2 -3 times / month during my general OR rotations. Absolutely no call / weekends during the first 6 months. Call q4 during OB anesthesia, but you average approximately 45 - 50 hours / week during that rotation (the call person arrives at 1500 and works until 0700 the next morning). Call is q4 during the ICU months and can be very tough because of the acuity of the patients, but attendings are great and I felt that the rotation was very rewarding. The other rotations that I have done this year are: ambulatory surgery, where I averaged approximately 2 interscalene / axillary blocks per day and peds: no call as CA-1.

I would say that our programs personally compares very well to any other program out there. The only downside (if you could call it that) would be living in St. Louis. It simply cannot compare to New York, Boston, Chicago, LA, etc. in terms of nightlife and social activities, but there are definite advantages to it also. For me, there is definitely enough nightlife to satisfy me. Also, when i started here in Anesthesia, I traded my 750 sq. foot 1 BD/BA condo in chicago, for a 3000 sq. 3 BD / 2.5 BA home in a pretty nice area of st. louis.

The bottom line is that if you think that you are interested in WashU, I would definitely schedule a visit here. As you will find out on the interview trail, after a while, every single hospital starts looking the same and you begin to realize that you are going to be trained relatively well at any large academic program. Our chairman talked to us before this past year's match and told us that the match is really a "personality" match more than anything and that once invited to an interview we were simply looking for people that would fit in here.
 
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