What are your thoughts on cheating on an exam?

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rifle4802 said:
Plus the class be just outrageously hard. Class averages be always insanely low and this exam in particular was far more difficult than the others. Again, this was a make-or-break exam for me. me needed this exam for any hope of an A in the class.
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This logic makes no sense since your course was graded on a curve. If you're in the top 10% of your class, it wouldn't matter how hard the exam was, you'll still get the credit/grade you deserve.

All you did was degrade the curved score for other students who actually earned their grade.
 
rifle4802 said:
me don't do this kind of stuff regularly or anythin'... it was really just a one time thin'.

Plus the class be just outrageously hard. Class averages be always insanely low and this exam in particular was far more difficult than the others. Again, this was a make-or-break exam for me. me needed this exam for any hope of an A in the class.
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You do realize that you don't have to have a 4.0 GPA to get into medical school, right?

I hope you get caught. If I were the professor I would think it's weird that the kid who scored the highest also got a new test... On an open book test... You might still get caught. Who cares if it was one time, you only need one time to be a cheater. I hope you feel a lot of guilt. I wouldn't want someone like you treating me on my death bed.
 
ærospallo said:
This logic makes no sense since yer course was graded on a curve. If yar be in the top 10% of yer class, it wouldn't matter how hard the exam was, you'll still get the credit/grade you deserve.

All you did was degrade the curved score for other students who actually earned their grade.
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Yeah I know, but on this exam that grade likely would have been a C. It was a harder exam than usual. Normally I can get As on my own merit and don't need to do anything like this.

This is the way the game is played. Sometimes you need to bend the rules and exploit loopholes to win. Medical school is harder to get into than other schools... you have to be nearly perfect. High GPA is almost a requirement.
 
Mel Belle said:
me hope you feel a lot of guilt. me wouldn't want someone like you treatin' me on my death bed.
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rifle4802 said:
Yeah me know, but on this exam that grade likely would have been a C. It was a harder exam than usual. Normally me can get As on me own merit and don't need to do anythin' like this.

This be t' way t' game be played. Sometimes you need to bend t' rules and exploit loopholes to win. Medical school be harder to get into than other schools... you have to be nearly perfect. High GPA be almost a requirement.
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and you think one test is going to ruin it?
 
rifle4802 said:
Yeah me know, but on this exam that grade likely would have been a C. It was a harder exam than usual. Normally me can get As on me own merit and don't need to do anythin' like this.

This be t' way t' game be played. Sometimes you need to bend t' rules and exploit loopholes to win. Medical school be harder to get into than other schools... you have to be nearly perfect. High GPA be almost a requirement.
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I guess I'm playing a different game than you are.
 
rifle4802 said:
Yeah me know, but on this exam that grade likely would have been a C. It was a harder exam than usual. Normally me can get As on me own merit and don't need to do anythin' like this.

This be t' way t' game be played. Sometimes you need to bend t' rules and exploit loopholes to win. Medical school be harder to get into than other schools... you have to be nearly perfect. High GPA be almost a requirement.
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High GPA does not necessarily mean 4.0. And one class being below an A will not ruin your chances. Your explanation of why you think it's right doesn't make it right, it's an excuse.
 
Mel Belle said:
You do realize that you don't have to have a 4.0 GPA to get into medical school, right?

me hope you get caught. If me were the professor me would think it's weird that the kid who scored the highest also got a new test... On an open book test... You might still get caught. Who cares if it was one time, you only need one time to be a cheater. me hope you feel a lot of guilt. me wouldn't want someone like you treatin' me on my death bed.
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The higher your grades, the better your chances. I don't even have a 4.0 cumulative, but somewhere out there exists someone who does. So on the gpa front, this guy has the edge over me.

You should always strive to get the highest score possible. Your tolerance of mediocrity would be suitable for a different career goal, but in case you didn't know, medical school admissions is a competition whose contestants are all very smart, motivated and driven. A defeatist mindset like yours will not serve you well when it comes time for you to apply. I hope you won't complain if you don't get accepted.
 
rifle4802 said:
t' higher yer grades, t' better yer chances. me don't even have a 4.0 cumulative, but somewhere out thar exists someone who does. So on t' gpa front, this guy has t' edge over me.

ye should always strive to get t' highest score possible. yer tolerance of mediocrity would be suitable for a different career goal, but in case ye didn't know, medical school admissions be a competition whose contestants be all very smart, motivated and driven. A defeatist mindset like yours will not serve ye well when it comes time for ye to apply. me hope ye won't complain if ye don't get accepted.
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Wow. I hope you don't get accepted.
 
i can't stand cheaters. even people who go 1 min over time on exams when they aren't supposed to have my temporary mild contempt. this system is so damn competitive people and their little cheap unfair tricks to gain advantages can easily screw people over.
 
rifle4802 said:
t' higher yer grades, t' better yer chances. me don't even have a 4.0 cumulative, but somewhere out thar exists someone who does. So on t' gpa front, this guy has t' edge over me.

ye should always strive to get t' highest score possible. yer tolerance of mediocrity would be suitable for a different career goal, but in case ye didn't know, medical school admissions be a competition whose contestants be all very smart, motivated and driven. A defeatist mindset like yours will not serve ye well when it comes time for ye to apply. me hope ye won't complain if ye don't get accepted.
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HAHAHAHA.

What makes you think that I have a defeatist mindset? Because I'm telling you how morally wrong you are? Boo hoo. My saying you don't have to get a 4.0 to get into medical school isn't at all defeatist. It's a fact. And it says nothing about who I am. Are you trying to make me look bad to make your argument look better or something? That's cute.

Nothing you say will make what you did morally right. It's selfish. And probably hurt the other people in your class with the curve.
 
Agent B said:
yo ho ho of course
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Your reaction is strange. Even the low/mid tier schools have gpa averages around 3.65-3.75, which is better than an A average. If this wasn't impossible for most people to achieve, everyone could get into medical school. In reality, however, only ~50% of applicants (100% of whom are far more academically impressive than your average college graduate) get in. That's the reality.
 
rifle4802 said:
it be not a regular thin' or anythin'. But me really needed this exam and didn't feel too good about t' way it was goin'. me know tools who write stuff on their forearms every class only to find out they wasted all that time writin' stuff that didn't even help them on t' exam.
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The smart girls write it on their thighs...more surface area, more natural to glance at during an exam, and I'd love to see the prof tell someone to 'lift your mini-skirt'.

No, wait...the smart girls just know their **** in the first place!
 
rifle4802 said:
yer reaction be strange. Even t' low/mid tier schools have gpa averages around 3.65-3.75, which be better than an A average. If this wasn't impossible for most people to achieve, everyone could get into medical school. In reality, however, only ~50% of applicants (100% of whom be far more academically impressive than yer average college graduate) get in. That's t' reality.
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Possible to get accepted with a 3.4...
 
rifle4802 said:
Yeah me know, but on this exam that grade likely would have been a C. It was a harder exam than usual. Normally me can get As on me own merit and don't need to do anythin' like this.

This be t' way t' game be played. Sometimes ye need to bend t' rules and exploit loopholes to win. Medical school be harder to get into than other schools... ye have to be nearly perfect. High GPA be almost a requirement.
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That's hardly a loophole or a 'bent' rule.
I am so glad I went to a school where the profs and students trusted each other enough to give closed-note takehome finals without even considering that people would cheat. And people didn't cheat. It was just that simple. I didn't realize what a good thing I had going back then.
 
rifle4802 said:
Yeah me know, but on this exam that grade likely would have been a C. It was a harder exam than usual. Normally me can get As on me own merit and don't need to do anythin' like this.

This be t' way t' game be played. Sometimes ye need to bend t' rules and exploit loopholes to win. Medical school be harder to get into than other schools... ye have to be nearly perfect. High GPA be almost a requirement.
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I'm not so naive as to think people don't "bend the rules" when pursuing a med school acceptance, but this lies far outside the definition of "bending rules". You literally stole an exam, had it evaluated and the answers given to you, then brought the answer key into the test. You feigned concern over your test being lost and let your professor feel guilty for misplacing it.

I doubt what anyone says on an anonymous internet forum will truly change your outlook on this or any of the other threads you've posted displaying your character, but I really wish it would cut in deep.
 
terp720 said:
and ye think one test be goin' to ruin it?
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It's the principle that matters. If you tolerate mediocrity in one class, why not for another? Whose to say you won't settle for a mediocre grade in another class you take next year? Once your grades are in, they're in. There's no going back and improving it. Imagine if a few A's made the difference between an acceptance and a rejection.

Sorry, but this is medical school. Bs are NOT considered a good grade. Sure a few of them here and there are ok (I have a 3.92 myself, not a perfect 4.0) but they aren't ideal.
 
mehc012 said:
That's hardly a loophole or a 'bent' rule.
me am so glad me went to a school where t' profs and students trusted each other enough to give closed-note takehome finals without even considerin' that people would cheat. And people didn't cheat. It was just that simple. me didn't realize what a good thin' me had goin' back then.
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Lmao. This is pathetic. "Closed notes" take-home finals? :laugh:

That's honestly the lamest thing I've ever heard. I can't imagine how senile a professor must be to willingly hand out take home finals and believe that students are not going to use their notes. No offense, but must have been an easy class/school.
 
rifle4802 said:
it be t' principle that matters. If ye tolerate mediocrity in one class, why not for another? Whose to say ye won't settle for a mediocre grade in another class ye take next year? Once yer grades be in, they're in. thar's no goin' back and improvin' it. Imagine if a few A's made t' difference between an acceptance and a rejection.

Sorry, but this be medical school. Bs be NOT considered a good grade. Sure a few of them here and thar be ok (me have a 3.92 myself, not a perfect 4.0) but they aren't ideal.
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Yar shiver me timbers don't be cheatin' ur ya git t' plank!

I'm dying. Lol.
 
rifle4802 said:
it be t' principle that matters. If ye tolerate mediocrity in one class, why not for another? Whose to say ye won't settle for a mediocre grade in another class ye take next year? Once yer grades be in, they're in. thar's no goin' back and improvin' it. Imagine if a few A's made t' difference between an acceptance and a rejection.

Sorry, but this be medical school. Bs be NOT considered a good grade. Sure a few of them here and thar be ok (me have a 3.92 myself, not a perfect 4.0) but they aren't ideal.
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that's ironic.
 
Agent B said:
Possible to get accepted wit a 3.4...
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Ok buddy... sure. If someone has phenomenal ECs and unique life experiences AND makes up for his crappy GPA with a good MCAT... then maybe he'll have a 30 something percent chance to get in with such a horrible GPA.

But most people aren't getting in with a 3.4.
 
rifle4802 said:
Ok buddy... sure. If someone has phenomenal ECs and unique life experiences AND makes up for his crappy GPA wit a good MCAT... then maybe he'll have a 30 somethin' percent chance to get in wit such a horrible GPA.

But most people aren't gettin' in wit a 3.4.
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Yeah they do even without random stuff. 3.4 is still around the average for DO schools.
 
Mel Belle said:
OP, ye do realize that, no matter what ye GPA or MCAT score, ye can still not get in because yar be an arrogant cheatin' a-hole, right?
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Keep telling yourself that if it makes you sleep at night, but don't be surprised when I'm the one with 10+ acceptances by October while you're making phone calls to every school inquiring about how you can improve your app for the next cycle.
 
rifle4802 said:
Keep tellin' yourself that if it makes ye sleep at night, but don't be surprised when me be t' one wit 10+ acceptances by October while yar be makin' phone calls to every school inquirin' about how ye can improve yer app for t' next cycle.
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lol ok dude.
 
rifle4802 said:
Keep tellin' yourself that if it makes ye sleep at night, but don't be surprised when me be t' one wit 10+ acceptances by October while yar be makin' phone calls to every school inquirin' about how ye can improve yer app for t' next cycle.
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You got a 99% when the class average was only 44%? And you were the ONLY one to get a brand new test? You're going to get caught.
 
Agent B said:
Yeah they do even without random stuff. 3.4 be still around t' average for DO schools.
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Not uncommon at all for DO schools to be around 3.55-3.6. Maybe the absolute lowest ranked DO schools have a 3.3-3.4 average, but I wouldn't be surprised if mid/high level DO schools have A average GPAs.
 
rifle4802 said:
Keep tellin' yourself that if it makes ye sleep at night, but don't be surprised when me be t' one wit 10+ acceptances by October while yar be makin' phone calls to every school inquirin' about how ye can improve yer app for t' next cycle.
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Oooh, a personal attack. For someone with a 3.92 GPA you clearly don't have any skills for arguing. You know nothing about me. I'm applying MD/PhD. If I was not so driven with the appropriate GPA, I would not be applying for MD/PhD.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
 
rifle4802 said:
Not uncommon at all for DO schools to be around 3.55-3.6. Maybe t' absolute lowest ranked DO schools have a 3.3-3.4 average, but me wouldn't be surprised if mid/high level DO schools have A average GPAs.
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You sure about that? @Goro signal
 
Gregor Wiesmann said:
ye got a 99% when t' class average was only 44%? And ye were t' ONLY one to get a brand new test? yar be goin' to get caught.
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Scores are up. Grades are already in. You and the rest and keep repeating this, but no I won't get caught. It's too late.
 
rifle4802 said:
Scores be up. Grades be already in. ye and t' rest and keep repeatin' this, but no me won't get caught. it be too late.
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There's still the rest of the semester, kiddo.
 
Womb Raider said:
Sounds like community college material. At me undergrad university, ye would've had exactly a 0% chance of gettin' a new test on t' 2nd test day.
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And what would have happened if they actually lost your exam? At my school they have most of the test at night so we dont run into this problem. Would you have been SOL?
 
rifle4802 said:
Scores be up. Grades be already in. ye and t' rest and keep repeatin' this, but no me won't get caught. it be too late.
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That's like saying "No, we can't put him in jail for robbery.......we didn't actually see him do it, but his fingerprints are on the money."
 
Agent B said:
ye sure about that? @Goro signal
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Whatever. I don't really care what the exact average is. Fact is, you can't be successful in this game if you willingly settle for less than the best score possible.

I don't know why you'd be ok with a B when you can get an A, but that's on you. We'll see where you are come interview time.
 
LizzyM said:
How many p-chem exams were interrupted by a fire alarm last week? If me had been in that class, me think that yer story would have sounded familiar to me. Don't underestimate t' gunners who would rat ye out to t' professor.
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Seriously this, especially in a class that is curved. In the unlikely case OP isnt trolling he probably will be caught. People have had their med school acceptances rescinded for the stuff they said here, lol.
 
Tommyguns89 said:
And what would have happened if they actually lost yer exam? At me school they have most of t' test at night so we dont run into this problem. Would ye have been SOL?
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The professors at my school wouldn't have been so careless as to lose a sheet of paper. They were meticulous (at least the science ones who were this strict) and very aware of college kids wanting to cheat.
 
rifle4802 said:
Whatever. me don't really care what t' exact average be. Fact be, ye can't be successful in this game if ye willingly settle for less than t' best score possible.

me don't know why ye'd be ok wit a B when ye can get an A, but that's on ye. We'll see where ye be come interview time.
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Wat. All I'm saying is it's possible to get into a medical school with a 3.4. Even so with barely a 3.0 and some additional "supplements".
 
If someone finds out which school had fire alarms that disrupted the P Chem class, then no doubt the OP can be caught. Maybe we can start a "wanted" thread here on SDN? Anyone else in?
 
Gregor Wiesmann said:
That's like sayin' "No, we can't put him in jail for robbery.......we didn't actually see him do it, but his fingerprints be on t' money."
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Yeah, except my fingerprints aren't on the money. Where's the hard evidence/proof? It doesn't exist.
 
rifle4802 said:
Whatever. me don't really care what t' exact average be. Fact be, ye can't be successful in this game if ye willingly settle for less than t' best score possible.

me don't know why ye'd be ok wit a B when ye can get an A, but that's on ye. We'll see where ye be come interview time.
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i didn't want Bs either when I was in school, but I wasn't okay with cheating to get the A.
 
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