What are your thoughts on cheating on an exam?

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Agent B said:
Wat. All me be sayin' be it be possible to get into a medical school wit a 3.4. Even so wit barely a 3.0 and some additional "supplements".
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Ok man, all I can say is that you are in a small minority of people who think that the odds aren't against you into medical school with a pitiful 3.4 gpa.
 
rifle4802 said:
Lmao. This be pathetic. "Closed notes" take-home finals? :laugh:

That's honestly t' lamest thin' me've ever heard. me can't imagine how senile a professor must be to willingly hand out take home finals and believe that students be not goin' to use their notes. No offense, but must have been an easy class/school.
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Nope. It was the majority of science classes at one of the top-ranked schools in the country. The tests were closed-note takehomes because they often required 8-24hrs to complete. However, even the 2hr ones were frequently takehomes.
It was so common to have a closed-note takehome that the Registrar's office was open for extended hours during finals period to check 2hr exams in and out.

See, at my school, the profs trusted us. We trusted each other. And honestly, in 4yrs there, I never once heard of anyone even hinting at cheating on the exams. It just wasn't how things were done. Call me naive if you want (and I'm sure you will), but if you weren't there you simply cannot understand what it was like. I have 100% faith that there was less cheating among my classmates, with our preposterous 'trust' policy, than at most schools with proctored exams.
Of course, it helps that there were usually fewer than 10 people in each class...the prof would know if you were suddenly doing 8x better than expected. Larger courses had in-class exams (though the prof would usually go sit in their office down the hall and you had to go find them if you had questions.)
 
Mel Belle said:
yer metaphorical fingerprints be t' fact that ye were t' only person whose test went missin'.
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No they aren't. For all we know the clumsy and old professor could have actually lost the test. Not an apt analogy at all.
 
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cheat all you want man. fact is, if you have to cheat to be at the top, once you start medical school you will be exposed nearly immediately by the people who were legitimately at the top (which is everyone in medical school.) Just sucks that you will be taking the spot of a more deserving person.
 
rifle4802 said:
No they aren't. For all we know t' clumsy and old professor could have actually lost t' test. Not an apt analogy at all.
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Taking advantage of old people? You're going to be the worst doctor to ever. Oh wait, that is IF you can still get an acceptance to a school after you get caught.
 
Mel Belle said:
OP, why be ye [me]so[/me] sure that yar be goin' to get in?
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Is this a serious question? I have a 3.92 gpa. Half the battle is grades and the other half is the MCAT. The better yours are, the higher your chances of getting accepted.

Each stage of your academic career is the same. To get into college, you need grades and ACT/SAT. The better it is, the more competitive you'll be.

To get into medical school you need GPA + MCAT.

To get into residency you need grades + Step 1 and Step 2 CK. Very simple.
 
Wait, he isn't a troll? Holy crap!
Even if a 3.4 GPA was pitiful OP (and it isn't) at least we earned that GPA and don't have to have a giant pit in our stomachs about being caught cheating in the major way that would blacklist you from pretty much every medical school in the country.
ERPCT has a great point, you had to cheat in an undergrad class, what is going to happen to you in medical school?
 
rifle4802 said:
be this a serious question? me have a 3.92 gpa. Half t' battle be grades and t' other half be t' MCAT. t' better yours be, t' higher yer chances of gettin' accepted.

Each stage of yer academic career be t' same. To get into college, ye need grades and ACT/SAT. t' better it be, t' more competitive ye'll be.

To get into medical school ye need GPA + MCAT.

To get into residency ye need grades + Step 1 and Step 2 CK. Very simple.
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Explain the bolded more
 
Saxappeal1 said:
Wait, he isn't a troll? Holy crap!
Even if a 3.4 GPA was pitiful OP (and it isn't) at least we earned that GPA and don't have to have a giant pit in our stomachs about bein' caught cheatin' in t' major way that would blacklist ye from pretty much every medical school in t' country.
ERPCT has a great point, ye had to cheat in an undergrad class, what be goin' to happen to ye in medical school?
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If the OP gets into Medical School, he can live with his cheating for the rest of his life and tell his Grandchildren about it. What a wonderful little campfire story! "Yes, that's right Susan. I got into Medical School by cheating. One day, I hope you can follow in my footsteps."
 
Gregor Wiesmann said:
Takin' advantage of old people? yar be goin' to be t' worst pirate to ever. Oh wait, that be IF ye can still get an acceptance to a school after ye get caught.
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Just pointing out how dumb of an analogy that poster made. Comparing fingerprints (hard evidence) to a missing test (weak evidence) is lame.
 
Agent B said:
Why be 3.4 pitiful?
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It's a better than B average... but average isn't going to cut it for medical school. Sure a 3.4 looks great for other programs, but the fact remains that it's a very unimpressive gpa for medical school.
 
rifle4802 said:
be this a serious question? me have a 3.92 gpa. Half t' battle be grades and t' other half be t' MCAT. t' better yours be, t' higher yer chances of gettin' accepted.

Each stage of yer academic career be t' same. To get into college, ye need grades and ACT/SAT. t' better it be, t' more competitive ye'll be.

To get into medical school ye need GPA + MCAT.

To get into residency ye need grades + Step 1 and Step 2 CK. Very simple.
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You might be the most uninformed, arrogant pre-med ever if you don't think an interview can make or break you.
 
Hey OP, have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? It is an old principle in many different areas of study that says the simplest explanation is probably the correct one. You aroused suspicion, whether you knew it or not. The class average was a 44 and yet you and only you end up with a 99? And I'm sure that in medical school it will be even easier to tell since I'm sure a lot of people don't come out of these classes waving around 99's.
 
mehc012 said:
Nope. It was t' majority of science classes at one of t' top-ranked schools in t' country. t' tests were closed-note takehomes because they often required 8-24hrs to complete. However, even t' 2hr ones were frequently takehomes.
It was so common to have a closed-note takehome that t' Registrar's office was open for extended hours durin' finals period to check 2hr exams in and out.

See, at me school, t' profs trusted us. We trusted each other. And honestly, in 4yrs thar, me never once heard of anyone even hintin' at cheatin' on t' exams. It just wasn't how things were done. Call me naive if ye want (and me be sure ye will), but if ye weren't thar ye simply cannot understand what it was like. me have 100% faith that thar was less cheatin' among me classmates, wit our preposterous 'trust' policy, than at most schools wit proctored exams.
Of course, it helps that thar were usually fewer than 10 people in each class...t' prof would know if ye were suddenly doin' 8x better than expected. Larger courses had in-class exams (though t' prof would usually go sit in their office down t' hall and ye had to go find them if ye had questions.)
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Well if you went to a top school, your classmates were probably smart enough to keep it on the dl unlike the OP lol.
 
terp720 said:
me didn't want Bs either when me was in school, but me wasn't okay wit cheatin' to get t' A.
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ONE time. Come on people... get off your moral high horse. None of you can say you've never broken a few rules. Whether it's speeding over the limit, drinking before 21, lying... all of you have committed some act of deception/dishonesty before.
 
Tommyguns89 said:
Well if ye went to a top school, yer classmates were probably smart enough to keep it on t' dl unlike t' OP yo ho ho.
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Meh. In a 6 person class I would usually be studying with 2 of my classmates, we would do similarly as each other, and the others would do worse than us. If any of them were cheating, they were terrible at it (aka the ones with me didn't do any better than me with the same study time, and the ones I didn't see did worse than us, which if they cheated to attain I don't begrudge them.)
 
rifle4802 said:
ONE time. Come on people... get off yer moral high horse. None of ye can say ye've never broken a few rules. Whether it be speedin' over t' limit, drinkin' before 21, lyin'... all of ye have committed some act of deception/dishonesty before.
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Ok so?
 
rifle4802 said:
ONE time. Come on people... get off yer moral high horse. None of ye can say ye've never broken a few rules. Whether it be speedin' over t' limit, drinkin' before 21, lyin'... all of ye have committed some act of deception/dishonesty before.
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Nope. Not deception. I'm quite upfront about my tendency to speed and the fact that I drank at under 21. That's not deception, and it didn't screw anyone else over.
 
Gregor Wiesmann said:
What school do ye go to? be it really that hard that ye need to cheat?
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Top 20 undergrad... already said that this was an abnormally hard test. AND we got effed over by the fire alarm so focus/rhythm was completely disrupted. You act like I do this regularly... it was the first time. Don't tell me you've never done something ethically questionable.
 
rifle4802 said:
Top 20 undergrad... already said that this was an abnormally hard test. AND we got effed over by t' fire alarm so focus/rhythm was completely disrupted. ye act like me do this regularly... it was t' first time. Don't tell me ye've never done somethin' ethically questionable.
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So what you did was right?
 
OP, you think those petty things are comparable to something so severe that it would put you on academic probation and rescind acceptable to med school?

You're comparing apples to oranges. Also, stop trying to put the blame on everyone else. You're the one at fault, here.
 
rifle4802 said:
Top 20 undergrad... already said that this was an abnormally hard test. AND we got effed over by t' fire alarm so focus/rhythm was completely disrupted. ye act like me do this regularly... it was t' first time. Don't tell me ye've never done somethin' ethically questionable.
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I've done plenty of ****ty things in my life, but none as ****ty as what you've described here.
 
rifle4802 said:
ONE time. Come on people... get off yer moral high horse. None of ye can say ye've never broken a few rules. Whether it be speedin' over t' limit, drinkin' before 21, lyin'... all of ye have committed some act of deception/dishonesty before.
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but it's the principle that matters. if you tolerate cheating on one test, why not for another? whose to say you won't decide to cheat on another exam in another class you take next year?

....weird.. that logic sounds familiar... where have I heard that before?
 
mehc012 said:
Nope. Not deception. me be quite upfront about me tendency to speed and t' fact that me drank at under 21. That's not deception, and it didn't screw anyone else over.
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So it's cool for you to break rules when it suits you but not ok for me? Ok dude, sure.
 
rifle4802 said:
So it be cool for ye to break rules when it suits ye but not ok for me? Ok dude, sure.
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I didn't say that. You used underage drinking and speeding as examples of 'deception'. They were terrible examples.

Furthermore, the difference is not whether YOU did it or I did it...the difference is what was done.
I'd be cool with you speeding or drinking underage. I would not be cool with you OR me cheating on an exam. They are not analogous infractions.
 
rifle4802 said:
Top 20 undergrad... already said that this was an abnormally hard test. AND we got effed over by t' fire alarm so focus/rhythm was completely disrupted. ye act like me do this regularly... it was t' first time. Don't tell me ye've never done somethin' ethically questionable.
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OP, as your lawyer I advise you to stop giving away any more information about your identity. We now know you go to a top 20 school, are currently in pchem, and got a 99% while the avg. was a 44%. Any more info and they are going to find your ass OP.

Edit: We also know OP grade was 89.3% before the test.
 
You know what I did when I knew I had a really hard test coming up OP? I studied my @ss off. And, just to be honest, that's what a future doctor would do too. I have taken plenty of tests where the averages were sub 50 and you just have to suck it up and hope that the curve helps you. Welcome to the real world, this isn't high school anymore where we all skate on 3.9's.
 
vagitarian001 said:
OP, as yer lawyer me advise ye to stop givin' away any more information about yer identity. We now know ye go to a top 20 school, be currently in pchem, and got a 99% while t' avg. was a 44%. Any more info and they be goin' to find yer ass OP.
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Shhhhh......why would you help him? I was trying to do it slowly. Thanks a lot.
 
Gregor Wiesmann said:
Why did ye even post this thread? Like honestly, did ye expect us to be all to be like "Yo man, no worries. Been thar, done that."?
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Yup. People like to rationalize their actions with 'well, everyone does it' and it stings to find out that no, you're unusually a$shole-ish.
 
Mel Belle said:
ye might be t' most uninformed, arrogant pre-med ever if ye don't think an interview can make or break ye.
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Ok Shirley, believe whatever you want. Fact is, with the right grades, MCAT and activities anyone can get into medical school. There's no shortage of people with good intentions and great interview skills who have USELESS stats - low gpa, low mcat, maybe even both. These people have no chance of getting in. Schools screen applicants out solely on the basis of their numbers.

Having the stats is harder than acing the interview. Most people can't get the stats.
 
rifle4802 said:
Ok Shirley, believe whatever ye want. Fact be, wit t' right grades, MCAT and activities anyone can get into medical school. thar's no shortage of people wit good intentions and great interview skills who have USELESS stats - low gpa, low mcat, maybe even both. These people have no chance of gettin' in. Schools screen applicants out solely on t' basis of their numbers.

Havin' t' stats be harder than acin' t' interview. Most people can't get t' stats.
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Did you even read my post? Your arrogant personality can kill your chances for an acceptance. I hope it does.

Also, is hinting at some sexism another one of your brilliant argument strategies?
 
rifle4802 said:
Ok Shirley, believe whatever ye want. Fact be, wit t' right grades, MCAT and activities anyone can get into medical school. thar's no shortage of people wit good intentions and great interview skills who have USELESS stats - low gpa, low mcat, maybe even both. These people have no chance of gettin' in. Schools screen applicants out solely on t' basis of their numbers.

Havin' t' stats be harder than acin' t' interview. Most people can't get t' stats.
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Your point being?
 
I know a man who got waitlisted at every med school he applied to with a 37 3.8 because of something like a dumb mistake he was really remorseful for. But, this is a much bigger mistake that speaks volumes against your character, and you aren't remorseful at all, plus your numbers are lower? Good luck OP
 
OP, please, just withdraw from the class. Take an Ethics course over the Summer, and then re-take your P Chem or choose a major that you don't have to cheat in order to do well in. You'll find that you suddenly feel a lot lighter and the sky seems more beautiful than before.
 
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