What are your thoughts on cheating on an exam?

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rifle4802 said:
They'd be relying on very dubious evidence then. Let's take this step by step so I understand your thought process here.

Gunner SDN-browsing pre-med kid from my class brings this post to the attention of my professor --> professor uses some random post made on an internet forum as proof that I cheated --> professor rescinds my A, I get booted from the class, and it goes on my academic record --> I can't get into medical school now.

Except on the off chance that any of this happened, I'd lawyer up and threaten to sue the pants off the school. Knowing that he's fighting a losing battle, the professor just gives up and we agree to sweep this little misunderstanding under the rug forever.

And it will never get to that point anyway because the professor won't find out. Sorry lady, but this stuff happens every day in high school, college, medical school/law school/engineering school, etc. What I did is not unheard of at all. Heck, I even know a guy who in medical school was busted for cheating on an exam. After a brief apology to the higher-ups and a promise that this would never happen again, he was back in class the very next day. He's now completing his 2nd year in a gastroenterology fellowship and should be raking in 350K+ soon.
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I know it happens. I have flunked at least 3 graduate students for cheating, two ended up not receiving their degrees for failure to successfully pass that required course.

You may think that threatening a lawsuit can make an academic misconduct charge go away but it won't.

Your cockiness will be your undoing.
 
rifle4802 said:
They'd be relying on very dubious evidence then. Let's take this step by step so I understand your thought process here.

Gunner SDN-browsing pre-med kid from my class brings this post to the attention of my professor --> professor uses some random post made on an internet forum as proof that I cheated --> professor rescinds my A, I get booted from the class, and it goes on my academic record --> I can't get into medical school now.

Except on the off chance that any of this happened, I'd lawyer up and threaten to sue the pants off the school. Knowing that he's fighting a losing battle, the professor just gives up and we agree to sweep this little misunderstanding under the rug forever.

And it will never get to that point anyway because the professor won't find out. Sorry lady, but this stuff happens every day in high school, college, medical school/law school/engineering school, etc. What I did is not unheard of at all. Heck, I even know a guy who in medical school was busted for cheating on an exam. After a brief apology to the higher-ups and a promise that this would never happen again, he was back in class the very next day. He's now completing his 2nd year in a gastroenterology fellowship and should be raking in 350K+ soon.
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It's funny because I just got my Chem exam back (got a 55) after being sick for a few days and the class average was in the 40s, and when I went to office hours the professor wouldn't regrade any of the questions because a student had scored in the 90s before applying a curve. A friend of mine in this class was telling me of how some kid sitting two seats away hadn't turned in the exam like everyone else did and apparently it's a small but growing rumor around class.
 
lionWushi said:
It's funny because I just got my Chem exam back (got a 55) after being sick for a few days and the class average was in the 40s, and when I went to office hours the professor wouldn't regrade any of the questions because a student had scored in the 90s before applying a curve. A friend of mine in this class was telling me of how some kid sitting two seats away hadn't turned in the exam like everyone else did and apparently it's a small but growing rumor around class.
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lionWushi said:
It's funny because I just got my Chem exam back (got a 55) after being sick for a few days and the class average was in the 40s, and when I went to office hours the professor wouldn't regrade any of the questions because a student had scored in the 90s before applying a curve. A friend of mine in this class was telling me of how some kid sitting two seats away hadn't turned in the exam like everyone else did and apparently it's a small but growing rumor around class.
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mother of god if you are for real please show the prof this thread
 
lionWushi said:
It's funny because I just got my Chem exam back (got a 55) after being sick for a few days and the class average was in the 40s, and when I went to office hours the professor wouldn't regrade any of the questions because a student had scored in the 90s before applying a curve. A friend of mine in this class was telling me of how some kid sitting two seats away hadn't turned in the exam like everyone else did and apparently it's a small but growing rumor around class.
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you should tell them to look on SDN
 
rifle4802 said:
Except on the off chance that any of this happened, I'd lawyer up and threaten to sue the pants off the school. Knowing that he's fighting a losing battle, the professor just gives up and we agree to sweep this little misunderstanding under the rug forever.
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Hmm... same words spoken by a very similar member not so long ago... :thinking:

Hey @Reckoner and @mcloaf any ideas? :naughty:
 
lionWushi said:
It's funny because I just got my Chem exam back (got a 55) after being sick for a few days and the class average was in the 40s, and when I went to office hours the professor wouldn't regrade any of the questions because a student had scored in the 90s before applying a curve. A friend of mine in this class was telling me of how some kid sitting two seats away hadn't turned in the exam like everyone else did and apparently it's a small but growing rumor around class.
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Strange coincidence then. So many things totally wrong with this post for it to be the same class as mine.
 
Womb Raider said:
Sounds like community college material. At my undergrad university, you would've had exactly a 0% chance of getting a new test on the 2nd test day.
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Exactly. No REAL college would have done that.
 
rifle4802 said:
Wouldn't even give this luxury? Did you miss the part where I said that not one person finished the exam? If there 75 minutes worth of content on the test, nobody is finishing it in 35 minutes.

And the professor did ask all the students to turn in the exam. But with 100+ kids in the class, he's not going to read off every one of their names.
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You missed the part where he said: "explicitly stated that he would not be giving out new tests the next class period (actually, some of them wouldn't even give this luxury)."
 
Like I said, top 20 college with a stupidly hard professor whose exam averages typically hover around 42-45%. The professor is just a sucker. Still a really hard class though.
 
DermViser said:
You missed the part where he said: "explicitly stated that he would not be giving out new tests the next class period (actually, some of them wouldn't even give this luxury)."
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Yeah, and that's good for his professor to have that kind of foresight. I feel bad for that dude to have such an anal professor. Too bad mine is nothing like that. Old man was easier to dupe than a toddler.
 
rifle4802 said:
Yeah, and that's good for his professor to have that kind of foresight. I feel bad for that dude to have such an anal professor. Too bad mine is nothing like that. Old man was easier to dupe than a toddler.
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Yup, keep on trolling. :troll:
 
lionWushi said:
It's funny because I just got my Chem exam back (got a 55) after being sick for a few days and the class average was in the 40s, and when I went to office hours the professor wouldn't regrade any of the questions because a student had scored in the 90s before applying a curve. A friend of mine in this class was telling me of how some kid sitting two seats away hadn't turned in the exam like everyone else did and apparently it's a small but growing rumor around class.
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I want to believe
 
The funny thing is, OP asked what people's opinions were...and then seemed put off that people gave them to him.
My opinion is that you are a dishonest person who I would hate to be acquainted with in real life.
Is it worth the effort to get enraged or try to make you fail? Nope. Would I laugh my ass off when yours got handed to you? You betcha.
Is my opinion worth more than anyone else's? Nope. But you asked for my opinion, and I am giving it to you. You are a tool, and I hope you eventually get found out for some underhanded action and lose your shot at medicine. That makes me a hateful b!tch, but I'm cool with that.
 
rifle4802 said:
It's the principle that matters. If you tolerate mediocrity in one class, why not for another? Whose to say you won't settle for a mediocre grade in another class you take next year? Once your grades are in, they're in. There's no going back and improving it. Imagine if a few A's made the difference between an acceptance and a rejection.

Sorry, but this is medical school. Bs are NOT considered a good grade. Sure a few of them here and there are ok (I have a 3.92 myself, not a perfect 4.0) but they aren't ideal.
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A cheater talking about principles. LOL!
 
rifle4802 said:
Yeah, and that's good for his professor to have that kind of foresight. I feel bad for that dude to have such an anal professor. Too bad mine is nothing like that. Old man was easier to dupe than a toddler.
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How so?
 
DermViser said:
No wonder he needed to cheat. If he couldn't even notice that, he's dumb as a rock.
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Hmm... my godly 3.92 GPA and ACT score beg to differ. So will my handful of acceptances in the Fall. Nobody noticed the April 1st prank immediately.
 
WillburCobb said:
:troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll:
Please just let this rifle thread die before the flame war begins.
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7 pages and growing strong

rifle4802 said:
I had my physical chemistry exam last week and, well... let's just say a quite unexpected and interesting turn of events took place at the end of class. I'm right on the borderline of an A/B with an 89.3% before this test. Our classes are normally 75 minutes long, except this time the fire alarm went off about 15 minutes into the test.

You know how the fire drill works so I'll spare you all the trivial details (ended up being a false alarm anyway), but it took half an hour for us to get back to class. The a-hole prof tells us to go back to finishing the exam despite the fact that we lost out on nearly half the time we're normally allotted. With basically 30 minutes left to complete nearly 3/4 of the test, I'm rushing just to make sure I finish on time and had to make several utterly blind and random guesses. More importantly, this was an unusually difficult exam, far moreso than any other I've taken, and even if I had the normally allotted 75 minutes, there was virtually no way I was getting an A.

At the end of class, no one is finished... not ONE person! After several complaints the prof finally comes to his senses and sees that we were all jobbed. He decides to let us finish the exam the next time we have class (which is 2 days later) and so instructs us to turn our partially complete exams in. Though this wasn't planned out ahead of time in any way, I decide to stuff the exam in my notebook and then wait until the line gets to be very long. Both the prof and the TA are busy collecting exams and don't have a clear line of sight on me. Plus, several kids who were at the front of the line and had already turned in their test were walking out of class, so I blended in with them perfectly. So I walk out of class with an exam I'm sure I would have gotten no better than a C on. My uncle happens to be a PhD analytical chemist, so I give him a call and tell him that I was really struggling with some homework problems and needed some help. He proceeds to breeze through the entire exam (which he believed was merely homework) in half an hour and I now essentially have the answer key to the test.

The key to this whole thing is that our exams are open notes, and so the next day that we have class, the prof and TA are handing out everyone's exams to finish... everyone's except mine. I told them I turned it in along with everyone else (when, in fact, I really took it home to find all the answers and wrote them all in my notes). Our prof is on the older side and our TA barely speaks a lick of English... point being that they're very "science smart" but a little slower on the uptake when it comes to street game, reading people, etc. They both look genuinely puzzled as to how my exam somehow vanished into thin air and offer to give me a brand new one of the same version, concluding that they must have accidentally lost my exam somehow. The most hysterical part of this whole thing was how guilty they felt, profusely apologizing for what in their minds was an injustice done to me, since everyone else had only half the exam left to finish and I had to do it all over again.

I tried my best to look genuinely frustrated and disappointed that I had to re-do the entire test and grudgingly accepted that there was nothing else that could be done. I played those suckers like a fiddle and I was now in possession of a brand new copy of the test along with the answer key in my notes.

Just got back the grade - 99% after the curve with a class average of 44%. I had to intentionally get a few questions wrong to avoid arousing unwanted suspicion (nobody gets perfect scores on these tests).

I've never done anything like this before in my life... mostly out of fear of getting caught and what the repercussions would be on my future.

Anyway... anyone ever done anything similar? And what are your thoughts on occasionally having to "play dirty" to win the game?
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I'm curious with the bolded. You wanted to avoid suspicion but somehow think 99% is the best bet?
 
rifle4802 said:
Hmm... my godly 3.92 GPA and ACT score beg to differ. So will my handful of acceptances in the Fall. Nobody noticed the April 1st prank immediately.
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Psst....We all realized it was an April Fool's joke immediately. Your stupidity in only thinking your posts were being edited speaks more to your stupidity. Can't believe you use an ACT score as evidence of your smarts. ROTFL!!!
 
rifle4802 said:
Somebody has to finish at or close to the top. There's a reason medical schools have such strict academic standards to meet.
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So you're saying even though the class average is around a 40 something, someone usually makes almost 100%? Because if not, you don't think your test is going to look a tab bit suspicious?
 
rifle4802 said:
I seriously question where you get your info on the admissions process from.
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Considering I've already been through the medical school admissions process already, I would know MUCH more about the process than you do.
 
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WhippleWhileWeWork said:
So you're saying even though the class average is around a 40 something, someone usually makes almost 100%? Because if not, you don't think your test is going to look a tab bit suspicious?
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Evidently not as I said way back in this thread, because the professor entered my score into the grade book and never once raised an issue about it.
 
rifle4802 said:
Evidently not as I said way back in this thread, because the professor entered my score into the grade book and never once raised an issue about it.
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Haha, I love your naivety. Like I said way back in this thread...cheaters have been busted years later.
 
DermViser said:
Psst....We all realized it was an April Fool's joke immediately. Your stupidity in only thinking your posts were being edited speaks more to your stupidity. Can't believe you use an ACT score as evidence of your smarts. ROTFL!!!
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I highly doubt you did. Like everyone else, it probably took you 10 minutes to realize that everyone's posts were being edited. It's not instinctive to assume an April Fools Day prank right away.
 
Mel Belle said:
You're either bluffing, or you're a *****. Because nothing is set in stone. If you get caught for cheating, all that stuff you considered "set in stone" will be smashed with a jackhammer.
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I'll take that he's a *****. NOTHING is set in stone. Entire degrees have been rescinded when people have found long after a person's gotten in that the faked something on their application.
 
rifle4802 said:
I highly doubt you did. Like everyone else, it probably took you 10 minutes to realize that everyone's posts were being edited. It's not instinctive to assume an April Fools Day prank right away.
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So it was a prank!
 
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