What are your thoughts on cheating on an exam?

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WhippleWhileWeWork said:
Either way, you've made enough enemies on this thread that I think if it really happened, you might want to go ahead and call up that lawyer before the weekend. There's at least 2 lunch breaks before Monday morning.
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Bad news. The lawyer has defected to the opposition 🙁
 
Agent B said:
Didn't you know? ACT >>> MCAT > SAT > Step 1 > Steps 2 and 3 > neusu score (order of importance)

It's common knowledge
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Uh, no... but if someone rocked the ACT or SAT, chances are they can rock the MCAT and USMLE as well.
 
rifle4802 said:
Yeah, except nobody in my class knows I scored a 99% (I told the few kids who asked that I got a 90%). The TA and professor are the only ones who have a clue, and it's very likely they've forgotten by now.

Let me guess... what if my professor or TA reads SDN, right? LOL, the odds of winning a Powerball jackpot would be higher than that.
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Well... I would bet on SDN reading over powerball. I was a TA and I read SDN. I currently teach ... So... :/
 
rifle4802 said:
Uh, no... but if someone rocked the ACT or SAT, chances are they can rock the MCAT and USMLE as well.
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Wow, you know absolutely NOTHING of how things work. Your posts lack so much logic, I can almost assure you will do poorly in med school, esp. in MS-3.
 
Agent B said:
I just want to see Internet warriors, bloodthirsty premeds and trolls getting at it. I'm a spectator/weird participant/Third Solution! 😱
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Same here, it's what gets me through work each day. The first time around rifle did a good job, but he just keeps rustling jimmies the same way everytime. I like variety and creativity in a troll.
 
WillburCobb said:
Same here, it's what gets me through work each day. The first time around rifle did a good job, but he just keeps rustling jimmies the same way everytime. I like variety and creativity in a troll.
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8 pages and growing strong. Jimmies are still being thoroughly rustled with great pleasure (maybe some of the members here like getting rustled? :naughty:). If it ain't broke, don't fix it 😉
 
DermViser said:
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Wow, you know absolutely NOTHING of how things work. Your posts lack so much logic, I can almost assure you will do poorly in med school, esp. in MS-3.
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I rocked the ACT... I sucked at the MCAT. The English destroyed me 🙁
 
Agent B said:
8 pages and growing strong. Jimmies are still being thoroughly rustled with great pleasure (maybe some of the members here like getting rustled? :naughty:). If it ain't broke, don't fix it 😉
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No, just laughing at his hilarious lack of logic. Hardly bothered by it. Premed delusionary thinking is always hilarious esp. to those of us who have graduated from med school.
 
DermViser said:
No, just laughing at his hilarious lack of logic. Hardly bothered by it. Premed delusionary thinking is always hilarious esp. to those of us who have graduated from med school.
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I'm just entertained to see premeds attacking OP and preaching morality.
 
DermViser said:
Considering I've already been through the medical school admissions process already, I would know MUCH more about the process than you do.
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You clearly know very little about the admissions process. Much of what you've said these last few pages regarding the process is just laughably wrong. I am well-connected with admissions committee members from many schools and thus take your opinions on what it takes to get in with a giant bag of salt.
 
Agent B said:
I'm just entertained to see premeds attacking OP and preaching morality.
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I think it's more the level of hubris that the OP thinks he/she knows it all. Esp. when he thinks the ACT is a mark of his academic standardized testing prowess.
 
rifle4802 said:
You clearly know very little about the admissions process. Much of what you've said these last few pages regarding the process is just laughably wrong. I am well-connected with admissions committee members from many schools and thus take your opinions on what it takes to get in with a giant bag of salt.
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Yeah, you're "well-connected with admissions committee members from many schools" I'm sure. Your faulty logic on so many things shows you may be "well-connected", but not intelligent. I've already graduated medical school, so I'm pretty sure I'd know more about those who were actually successful in medical school, than a wet-behind-the-ears premed.
 
moisne said:
Well... I would bet on SDN reading over powerball. I was a TA and I read SDN. I currently teach ... So... :/
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Betting on just any old professor/TA reading SDN? Sure, absolutely.

My professor/TA? Fat chance. They simply aren't the type.
 
Agent B said:
So it was a prank!
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WhippleWhileWeWork said:
I think he's talking about the "prank" SDN was playing by changing all of our posts. ?
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Yes, exactly. How are you not understanding this, Agent B? This thread is not a prank, but yesterday SDN decided to edit everyone's posts into pirate speak. THAT was the April Fools Day prank.

I initially thought they were just editing my posts (as would anyone who was posting right when the editing went into effect and didn't bother to read anyone else's post), but after some time it became clear it was an SDN thing. Nobody knew it was a prank immediately.
 
rifle4802 said:
Standardized test is a standardized test. If you score in the 99th percentile on it, you can handle tests.
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No it's not. The knowledge base and test-taking strategy needed for the ACT vs. MCAT vs. USMLE Step 1 are VASTLY different, and test questions are written differently. Nice try, Sparky.
 

@LizzyM, shows how stupid he is if he thinks lawsuits scare big universities or even medical schools.
 
Also you don't need to study for the ACT. It's more testing your ability to reason through problems, versus the MCAT or USMLE tests what you have learned over a significant period of time. So you can be like someone like me, who is smart but slacked off, you can have a great ACT and a mediocre MCAT.
 
DermViser said:
Yeah, you're "well-connected with admissions committee members from many schools" I'm sure. Your faulty logic on so many things shows you may be "well-connected", but not intelligent. I've already graduated medical school, so I'm pretty sure I'd know more about those who were actually successful in medical school, than a wet-behind-the-ears premed.
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Again, I don't need the approval of anyone on an online forum. Whether or not you choose to believe me doesn't change the simple fact that I am far better connected than you are to big shots who can determine the fate of any future physician (chiefs of the surgery/internal medicine/anesthesiology departments at major academic centers, medical school professors/interviewers, medical students, etc). I consider them to be far more credible sources of info on the admissions process than you.
 
rifle4802 said:
Again, I don't need the approval of anyone on an online forum. Whether or not you choose to believe me doesn't change the simple fact that I am far better connected than you are to big shots who can determine the fate of any future physician (chiefs of the surgery/internal medicine/anesthesiology departments at major academic centers, medical school professors/interviewers, medical students, etc). I consider them to be far more credible sources of info in the admissions process than you.
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Yeah, that's why you posted on an online forum to "brag". Sorry, but this isn't a third world country where "connections" are the key to medical school admissions. Esp. from fields that are as noncompetitive as Surgery/Internal Medicine/Anesthesiology. That's why there are admissions COMMITTEES in med school who make decisions to limit undue influence.
 
DermViser said:
No it's not. The knowledge base and test-taking strategy needed for the ACT vs. MCAT vs. USMLE Step 1 are VASTLY different, and test questions are written differently. Nice try, Sparky.
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Sorry, wrong again. Most people who smoke the ACT go on to smoke whatever other standardized tests they take in the future. Not all of them do, but it's a safe bet for most of them.

Standardized test taking is a skill... some have it and some don't. Of course the knowledge base is different lmao - they're two different tests. Doesn't change the fact that one who succeeds on the ACT/SAT should be capable of succeeding on other standardized tests.
 
touchpause13 said:
Also you don't need to study for the ACT. It's more testing your ability to reason through problems, versus the MCAT or USMLE tests what you have learned over a significant period of time. So you can be like someone like me, who is smart but slacked off, you can have a great ACT and a mediocre MCAT.
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Well, duh. If an exam covers 8 semesters worth of undergraduate level basic science content, it goes without saying that it requires more studying than the ACT.
 
rifle4802 said:
Sorry, wrong again. Most people who smoke the ACT go on to smoke whatever other standardized tests they take in the future. Not all of them do, but it's a safe bet for most of them.

Standardized test taking is a skill... some have it and some don't. Of course the knowledge base is different lmao - they're two different tests. Doesn't change the fact that one who succeeds on the ACT/SAT should be capable of succeeding on other standardized tests.
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You're so wrong it's not even funny. But there's no convincing an all-knowing premed. It's not JUST the knowledge base, it's those in the group you're being compared to.
 
rifle4802 said:
Well, duh. If an exam covers 8 semesters worth of undergraduate level basic science content, it goes without saying that it requires more studying than the ACT.
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Like I said, it's not JUST the information breadth that distinguishes the ACT from the MCAT from the USMLE Step 1.
 
DermViser said:
Yeah, that's why you posted on an online forum to "brag". Sorry, but this isn't a third world country where "connections" are the key to medical school admissions. Esp. from fields that are as noncompetitive as Surgery/Internal Medicine/Anesthesiology. That's why there are admissions COMMITTEES in med school who make decisions to limit undue influence.
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Doesn't have to be a third world country for "who you know" to mean everything. It's appalling how little you know about this process for someone who supposedly already graduated from medical school (something I'm very skeptical about myself). My connections to internal medicine/anesthesiology/surgery chiefs at major academic hospitals, professors and other medical school faculty will be far more useful than anything you claim to have in your favor...

...which, by the way, I'm assuming is something along the lines of "high step 1, top 10% pre-clinical grades, and letters." Sorry pal, but when everyone has the Step 1 score and the letters, other factors come into play when determining what residency you land.
 
rifle4802 said:
Doesn't have to be a third world country for "who you know" to mean everything. It's appalling how little you know about this process for someone who supposedly already graduated from medical school (something I'm very skeptical about myself). My connections to internal medicine/anesthesiology/surgery chiefs at major academic hospitals, professors and other medical school faculty will be far more useful than anything you claim to have in your favor...

...which, by the way, I'm assuming is something along the lines of "high step 1, top 10% pre-clinical grades, and letters." Sorry pal, but when everyone has the Step 1 score and the letters, other factors come into play when determining what residency you land.
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Your skepticism of whether I graduated from medical school is hardly my problem. I don't NEED to impress you.

You assume wrong. Being in the top 10% of your med school class is more than just your preclinical grades in MS-1/MS-2, genius. That's why how you did in your required MS-3 clerkships is included in there as well. But don't worry, you won't be making it there.
 
Why medicine? Why not be a stock broker? Or the next Steve jobs or bill gates?

You have no work experience and don't care for community service. Part of being in a health profession is caring for others which you obviously don't. Why not just make it big financially in other careers?
 
I'd like to point out that that was a pretty suspenseful story. You're a good writer, OP.
 
rifle4802 said:
Doesn't have to be a third world country for "who you know" to mean everything. It's appalling how little you know about this process for someone who supposedly already graduated from medical school (something I'm very skeptical about myself). My connections to internal medicine/anesthesiology/surgery chiefs at major academic hospitals, professors and other medical school faculty will be far more useful than anything you claim to have in your favor...

...which, by the way, I'm assuming is something along the lines of "high step 1, top 10% pre-clinical grades, and letters." Sorry pal, but when everyone has the Step 1 score and the letters, other factors come into play when determining what residency you land.
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Unlike med school applications, when there are more applicants than spots and the schools can afford to choose only those with the high numbers, the residency process, by its very nature, pretty much guarantees that not everyone has the Step 1 score, grades, and letters. It just can't work that way - when 95% of the applicant pool is bound to get in somewhere, there will be people above and below average on grades and scores.
 
dieanotherday said:
Why medicine? Why not be a stock broker? Or the next Steve jobs or bill gates?

You have no work experience and don't care for community service. Part of being in a health profession is caring for others which you obviously don't. Why not just make it big financially in other careers?
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Seriously? On average, doctors make far more than anyone in any other profession. Go google up "10 highest paying jobs" and you'll see that 9 out of those 10, if not all of them, are various medical specialties. Most stock brokers make crap money.
 
mehc012 said:
Unlike med school applications, when there are more applicants than spots and the schools can afford to choose only those with the high numbers, the residency process, by its very nature, pretty much guarantees that not everyone has the Step 1 score, grades, and letters. It just can't work that way - when 95% of the applicant pool is bound to get in somewhere, there will be people above and below average on grades and scores.
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Sense. This makes none.
 
rifle4802 said:
Seriously? On average, doctors make far more than anyone in any other profession. Go google up "10 highest paying jobs" and you'll see that 9 out of those 10, if not all of them, are various medical specialties. Most stock brokers make crap money.
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yeah but you seem like an overachiever

you wouldnt be the ones that make crap money right? you would probably be the ones that make bank
with medicine you have to go through a lot more schooling and education VS going into business or making some kind of revolutionary software could make you a millionaire overnight

since you're such a genius, why don't you be that kind of entrepreneur?
 
dieanotherday said:
Why medicine? Why not be a stock broker? Or the next Steve jobs or bill gates?

You have no work experience and don't care for community service. Part of being in a health profession is caring for others which you obviously don't. Why not just make it big financially in other careers?
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Bc he thinks his success in medical school and medicine as a profession, is predicted by his undergraduate GPA and his MCAT score.
 
dieanotherday said:
yeah but you seem like an overachiever

you wouldnt be the ones that make crap money right? you would probably be the ones that make bank
with medicine you have to go through a lot more schooling and education VS going into business or making some kind of revolutionary software could make you a millionaire overnight

since you're such a genius, why don't you be that kind of entrepreneur?
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Far too risky. No guarantees at all that you make it big in business, which is what you'd need to do to make bank.

Medicine guarantees you bank and job security. The crummiest nobody doctors in this country can easily clear 150K simply by virtue of being a doctor.

You can't be mediocre in other professions and make good money. It's one of the beauties of medicine.
 
If the MCAT doesn't hand this guy his sorry ass, the PS and/or interview will. I've rejected plenty of people who are "well connected" but didn't have what it takes.

A guy with a high gpa (and high ACT!) who has never held a job, never gotten his hands dirty and who wants a high paying job but only half-time responsibilities... yeah, he's a shoo-in. Not.
 
OP, I may not be in the position to judge you as a person or a potential future medical professional. I have neither the experience nor the position to do so. I don't go to an ivy league school and I don't have lots of money, nor will I likely ever. I'm not the smartest person in my classes and there are plenty of people I know whose success far outweighs mine.

But I work hard for what I have. Even if it means slaving away in the library for hours on end only to receive a C. It's humbling, knowing that while I may have some intelligence, that I'm still not as bright as I'd like to be. I can still perform more. I can still be better, for myself, and for others. What is it within you that makes you lack this? Do you simply not care? Is there not something within you that cries out for modesty and humility? Do you not feel shame?

I don't think you feel this, or anything, really. You don't emanate this vibe. You quantify success in numbers, not in moments of compassion or gratitude. People here have tried to help you but the only thing you've done is push them away. You may one day make a great doctor, but I assure you, if your mentality continues, the only thing you will ultimately amount to is being a terrible person.
 
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rifle4802 said:
Yes, exactly. How are you not understanding this, Agent B? This thread is not a prank, but yesterday SDN decided to edit everyone's posts into pirate speak. THAT was the April Fools Day prank.

I initially thought they were just editing my posts (as would anyone who was posting right when the editing went into effect and didn't bother to read anyone else's post), but after some time it became clear it was an SDN thing. Nobody knew it was a prank immediately.
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Ok I got it now. So wait, what exactly is your concern?
 
LizzyM said:
If the MCAT doesn't hand this guy his sorry ass, the PS and/or interview will. I've rejected plenty of people who are "well connected" but didn't have what it takes.

A guy with a high gpa (and high ACT!) who has never held a job, never gotten his hands dirty and who wants a high paying job but only half-time responsibilities... yeah, he's a shoo-in. Not.
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Perhaps not at your school, but I don't need/want to get into your school. There are hundreds of schools out there and I know people at enough of them for me to be a shoo-in. 😛
 
rifle4802 said:
Far too risky. No guarantees at all that you make it big in business, which is what you'd need to do to make bank.

Medicine guarantees you bank and job security. The crummiest nobody doctors in this country can easily clear 150K simply by virtue of being a doctor.

You can't be mediocre in other professions and make good money. It's one of the beauties of medicine.
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Such black and white elementary school level thinking proves you won't do well on the MCAT and likely won't get past the BS meters of admissions committees. Your GPA means nothing without institutional context.

Oh, psst....there's this thing called "malpractice" and "peer review". You might want to research these things before you say that "crummiest nobody doctors in this country can easily clear 150K simply by virtue of being a doctor." Once again your elementary school, black and white, one step thinking coming into play.
 
rifle4802 said:
Perhaps not at your school, but I don't need/want to get into your school. There are hundreds of schools out there and I know people at enough of them for me to be a shoo-in. 😛
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