BoxingTheStars

chase this light with me
10+ Year Member
Aug 7, 2007
173
0
Status
Medical Student
Just wondering what would make for a more competitive atmosphere...

say both schools have the A, B, C, F style of grading.

School #1 only gives the As to the top 10%, Bs to the next 15%, etc. Basically it's a curve. However, they do not rank their students.

School #2 gives As to anyone who gets a 90%+, Bs to those who get 80%+, etc. But they do rank their students.

Which school do you think will have more competitive students?
 

VneZonyDostupa

PGY-6 (ID Fellow)
10+ Year Member
Jul 26, 2007
969
16
Status
Fellow [Any Field]
Just wondering what would make for a more competitive atmosphere...

say both schools have the A, B, C, F style of grading.

School #1 only gives the As to the top 10%, Bs to the next 15%, etc. Basically it's a curve. However, they do not rank their students.

School #2 gives As to anyone who gets a 90%+, Bs to those who get 80%+, etc. But they do rank their students.

Which school do you think will have more competitive students?
Yes.
 

EpiPEN

Aegis of Immortality
10+ Year Member
Mar 13, 2008
1,803
8
La Jolla
Status
Medical Student
Just wondering what would make for a more competitive atmosphere...

say both schools have the A, B, C, F style of grading.

School #1 only gives the As to the top 10%, Bs to the next 15%, etc. Basically it's a curve. However, they do not rank their students.

School #2 gives As to anyone who gets a 90%+, Bs to those who get 80%+, etc. But they do rank their students.

Which school do you think will have more competitive students?
No.
 

194342

10+ Year Member
7+ Year Member
Mar 18, 2008
7,990
1,319
Status
Resident [Any Field]
Try the ones that require knife fights before clinicals. That is competitive and THISSS ISSS SPPPAARRTAA!
 
OP
BoxingTheStars

BoxingTheStars

chase this light with me
10+ Year Member
Aug 7, 2007
173
0
Status
Medical Student
seriously anyone?

(i'm trying to decide which schools would have the LEAST competitive students since I didn't get into any true pass/fail schools)
 

MrBurns10

Excellent, Smithers
Moderator Emeritus
10+ Year Member
7+ Year Member
Jul 14, 2005
2,750
9
36
www.espn.com
Status
Resident [Any Field]
seriously anyone?

(i'm trying to decide which schools would have the LEAST competitive students since I didn't get into any true pass/fail schools)
Show me a school that tells applicants they grade on a curve yet don't rank their students and I'll show you a school that's not very honest. Sure, maybe they don't tell you what your rank is or they don't advertise your specific number to residencies, but this just means either you are put into, say, a quartile or your dean's letter will say "X will make a solid resident" as opposed to "X will make an exceptional resident." And PDs know what the difference means.

I would go with the school the doesn't grade on a curve, as curves definitely foster more competition.
 

TheRealMD

"The Mac Guy"
10+ Year Member
5+ Year Member
May 23, 2007
4,769
9
Houston, Texas
Status
Medical Student
Most schools rank their students, whether you secretly know it or not. It's just a fact of life. A lack of a curve should dissuade most people to act like a *# (and try to help everyone).
 

Depakote

Pediatric Anesthesiologist
Moderator Emeritus
Lifetime Donor
10+ Year Member
Nov 2, 2004
20,811
102
SOCMOB
Status
Attending Physician
Most schools rank their students, whether you secretly know it or not. It's just a fact of life. A lack of a curve should dissuade most people to act like a *# (and try to help everyone).
True. Schools need to have some sort of ranking to report to residencies or the evaluations are essentially worthless. Schools that "don't rank" their students just don't tell you what your rank is.

Lack of a strict bell curve would seem to foster a more co-operative environment, in theory. I can at least tell you that my school has no formal curve and we're very co-operative.
 

Long Dong

My middle name is Duc.
10+ Year Member
Aug 8, 2004
1,894
11
The Best Coast
Status
Attending Physician
Anytime you have grades/ranking and premeds/med students you are going to have intense competition. No grades/ranking more cooperation, there well always be gunners/tools regardless.
 

alwaysaangel

10+ Year Member
5+ Year Member
Sep 4, 2006
5,377
37
Orange, CA
Status
Resident [Any Field]
Just wondering what would make for a more competitive atmosphere...

say both schools have the A, B, C, F style of grading.

School #1 only gives the As to the top 10%, Bs to the next 15%, etc. Basically it's a curve. However, they do not rank their students.

School #2 gives As to anyone who gets a 90%+, Bs to those who get 80%+, etc. But they do rank their students.

Which school do you think will have more competitive students?
School 1 will be more competitive. My classes at my school are a mix. Classes that are type 1 usually end up requiring 95%+ for an A, Classes that are type 2 allow as many people get As as deserve it.

And as others have said - ranking or not you do get ranked. Its probably in 4 sections (not necessarily quartiles) and your residency letter will be written differently depending on which section your in.
 

ADeadLois

Senior Member
10+ Year Member
Dec 18, 2005
3,158
6
Status
Medical Student
Anytime you have grades/ranking and premeds/med students you are going to have intense competition. No grades/ranking more cooperation, there well always be gunners/tools regardless.
Agreed. What makes a med school competitive is how competitive your class is naturally. A P/F only system won't change someone's personality.