What happened in Texas!

[jjeff]

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Why is it so difficult for the ASA and the AA organization to get licensure passed even where they already practice under delegatory. Is this an ominous sign? Did any of the private practice physicians contribute in any way?

 

[jwk]

Why is it so difficult for the ASA and the AA organization to get licensure passed even where they already practice under delegatory. Is this an ominous sign? Did any of the private practice physicians contribute in any way?

The effort was a little unorganized this year - the ASA and AAAA weren't informed that the legislation was being submitted. Unfortunately, by the time we heard about it, the 2000 CRNA's in Texas had already flooded Austin with emails. It was dead before it got going. But don't worry - this isn't the last time we'll make the push in Texas.

It is a little irritating that with AA's already practicing there that this should be a big deal. Once again, as they always do, the CRNA's show their true colors. They're scared to death of AA's, even though they outnumber us about 40 to 1 nationally, and more than 100 to 1 in Texas. They can't stomach the competition. The thought that anyone else might be as least as well educated and competent if not more so than they are just terrifies them. They can't make a rational argument based on facts, so they resort to scare tactics and manipulating statistics to fabricate their propaganda. For example - Texas is one of the states they always toss out numbers about how many counties don't have anesthesiologists. They leave out that little itty-bitty detail that half of those counties don't have a hospital either. But hey - don't let the truth get in the way.

That's what happened in Florida, on the third time through the legislature. The truth got in the way. Legislators in Florida finally figured out that AA's weren't the stupid incompetent newbies that we were made out to be by the AANA and FANA. In the end, they discovered they had been lied to - and voted in AA's.

 

[rmh149]

I still dont understand what the changes would be one way or the other. I thought AA's were already practicing in Texas.

 

[VolatileAgent]

But don't worry - this isn't the last time we'll make the push in Texas.

this is the whole point. battles will continue to be fought... on both sides. unless you're taking time away from your patients to go and personally fight such battles, support those who already are.

 

[matotom]

The effort was a little unorganized this year - the ASA and AAAA weren't informed that the legislation was being submitted.

that is a prime example of piss piss poor leadership. how could 2 organizations that are going to be affected by legislation in one of the biggest states be so out of touch.

I know legislative battles are tough and you win some and lose some. but to blame it on being unprepared is not so much an excuse as an indication that the uphill battle is made tougher by incompetents at the top or a lack of resolve.

 

[jwk]

The effort was a little unorganized this year - the ASA and AAAA weren't informed that the legislation was being submitted.

that is a prime example of piss piss poor leadership. how could 2 organizations that are going to be affected by legislation in one of the biggest states be so out of touch.

I know legislative battles are tough and you win some and lose some. but to blame it on being unprepared is not so much an excuse as an indication that the uphill battle is made tougher by incompetents at the top or a lack of resolve.

I'm glad you think you have such a good handle on what happened.

The AAAA and ASA work very closely on legislative issues. Those "in the know" had determined that for whatever reason, this was not going to be the year for Texas legislation. It takes a very coordinated effort and a lot of money to make all of this happen, with many months of planning into who, when, and how it all comes together. Groundwork at the state level is critical, because people like me in Georgia have no clue as to who to contact in the Texas legislature to make this happen. It's hard to be prepared when it has already been determined that this was not going to be the year to push for legislation, and then suddenly the legislation appears.

I'm glad someone had the pull to at least get this proposed this year. Hopefully when it comes up the next time, we will have had ample notice and time to plan - that was not the case this year. It had nothing to do with "piss piss poor leadership" and "incompetents at the top". If you have such superb political skills and ties to Texas, please PM me so we can make use of them next time.

 

[Taurus]

The action is "left pending in committee"

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLookup/Actions.aspx?LegSess=80R&Bill=SB1314

Does that mean the bill is dead?

 

[BIS]

The effort was a little unorganized this year - the ASA and AAAA weren't informed that the legislation was being submitted. Unfortunately, by the time we heard about it, the 2000 CRNA's in Texas had already flooded Austin with emails. It was dead before it got going. But don't worry - this isn't the last time we'll make the push in Texas.

It is a little irritating that with AA's already practicing there that this should be a big deal. Once again, as they always do, the CRNA's show their true colors. They're scared to death of AA's, even though they outnumber us about 40 to 1 nationally, and more than 100 to 1 in Texas. They can't stomach the competition. The thought that anyone else might be as least as well educated and competent if not more so than they are just terrifies them. They can't make a rational argument based on facts, so they resort to scare tactics and manipulating statistics to fabricate their propaganda. For example - Texas is one of the states they always toss out numbers about how many counties don't have anesthesiologists. They leave out that little itty-bitty detail that half of those counties don't have a hospital either. But hey - don't let the truth get in the way.

That's what happened in Florida, on the third time through the legislature. The truth got in the way. Legislators in Florida finally figured out that AA's weren't the stupid incompetent newbies that we were made out to be by the AANA and FANA. In the end, they discovered they had been lied to - and voted in AA's.

If the bill is left in comm. than it is likely dead. JWK I encourage you to view the pdf documents on www.tana.org. This document lists all Texas counties, and includes most if not all hospitals serving these counties. It also includes whether anesthesia is provided at these facilities by MD only, CRNA only or by an ACT. 👍

These claims are not bogus. The data is there. See for yourself. Another victory by CRNAs. Like it or not the CRNA grassroots TEXAS lobbying efforts are way more robust than that of TSA and any AAs. The bill is stalled in committee and there are 2 Anesthesiologists in the Texas legislature, 1 in the Texas Senate and 1 in the House. How you love that?

 

[CremeSickle]

yes. its dead.

Jwk, keep your propaganda to yourself. Based on your actions here, you are no better than the CRNAs you scream at the top of your lungs about.

lets stop this conversation now as per the new forum rules and take it to the private forum.

 

[toughlife]

yes. its dead.

Jwk, keep your propaganda to yourself. Based on your actions here, you are no better than the CRNAs you scream at the top of your lungs about.

lets stop this conversation now as per the new forum rules and take it to the private forum.

Take your nurse propaganda elsewhere fool.

 

[CremeSickle]

you, toughlife, have a real attitude problem for someone who has absolutely no experience and no ground to stand on. All you are capable of is personal insults to defend your position. In order to win an argument you simply call me a "nurse" as if that will make it true. I wonder, will you also do that the thousands of other Pro-CRNA anesthesiologists in the country? You know, the ones who will be your attendings and employers?

Do you not realize your posting your picture on here and where it was has now told every hospital administrator, every Anesthesia dept. and every prospective employer that you will clearly be a liability working with CRNAs? Your attitude will end your career before it begins. Just so you know, ACT practices are the Norm not the exception and the hospital/group would rather NOT employ a troublemaker like you than have all the CRNAs leave.

You should consider getting some experience and learning a bit about the reality of anesthesia economics before you "open mouth insert foot" anymore than you already have.

 

[Planktonmd]

you, toughlife, have a real attitude problem for someone who has absolutely no experience and no ground to stand on. All you are capable of is personal insults to defend your position. In order to win an argument you simply call me a "nurse" as if that will make it true. I wonder, will you also do that the thousands of other Pro-CRNA anesthesiologists in the country? You know, the ones who will be your attendings and employers?

Do you not realize your posting your picture on here and where it was has now told every hospital administrator, every Anesthesia dept. and every prospective employer that you will clearly be a liability working with CRNAs? Your attitude will end your career before it begins. Just so you know, ACT practices are the Norm not the exception and the hospital/group would rather NOT employ a troublemaker like you than have all the CRNAs leave.

You should consider getting some experience and learning a bit about the reality of anesthesia economics before you "open mouth insert foot" anymore than you already have.

Creme,

I thought you were a CRNA, aren't you?

 

[rmh149]

Creme,

I thought you were a CRNA, aren't you?

I would put my money on "NO"....based on the posts I have read.

 

[urgewrx]

Creme,

I thought you were a CRNA, aren't you?

He claims to be a DO, but behaves like a CRNA.

 

[Taurus]

thousands of other Pro-CRNA anesthesiologists

These anesthesiologists are either uninformed of the current state of affairs or they don't care because they are only thinking of their bank accounts. Either way, they need to retire so that the next generation can take the wheel before it's too late.

 

[rmh149]

He claims to be a DO, but behaves like a CRNA.

How so? The posts I have read from creme clearly spells anesthesiologist to me. I am not talking about political issues. I am talking about how Creme carries him/herself regarding clinical posts and issues regarding residency, internship and medical school.

Just because there isnt a complete hatred toward CRNA's doesnt mean they are automatically NOT a doctor.

 

[jetproppilot]

Why is it so difficult for the ASA and the AA organization to get licensure passed even where they already practice under delegatory. Is this an ominous sign? Did any of the private practice physicians contribute in any way?

Thread started out pretty civil, but like all the other political threads its degenerating into a pissing match.

BOOM.

Headshot to da thread at a thousand yards.