What happens to DO's who do not match?

[Chuckwalla]

My understanding is that allopathic residencies are (yes, without exception) preferable to osteopathic residencies for the simple reason of, and please note this, job opportunities.

Many, many osteopaths will complain about this to no end (and rightfully so in my humble opinion because we all learn the medicine out of the same books, right). Don't shoot the messenger.

wbdo

Seems like the people here disagree and I am inclined to concur. If you are legally able to practice medicine you should be able to get a job anywhere with the doctor shortage.

However, I would like to know where you heard this if that is the case.

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[Sparda29]

I'm kinda in the OP's boat right now. I messed up on my first times through Organic Chem and due to the unforgiving nature of AMCAS compared to AACOMAS, my GPA on AMCAS is dismal.

I am sure that I do not want to be a primary care physician. I'm not a fan of the whole PCP thing because it is a way to save money for insurance companies.

If my knee hurts, I should be allowed to go straight to an orthopedic surgeon instead of starting at my PCP and getting referrals.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

If my knee hurts, I should be allowed to go straight to an orthopedic surgeon instead of starting at my PCP and getting referrals.

The problem with that is that the orthopedists (and other specialists) would become loaded up seeing pts for ******ed horse**** all day, when they have actual work in their specialty that can be done. Those guys are busy as hell as it is.

If your knee hurts, you'd be fine with an NP or a PA seeing you at a fast track/urgent care clinic. Or even a freaking athletic trainer. From there, if they decide its worth the orthopod's time, you get to see the orthopod.

 

[Sparda29]

Maybe, but this was my experience with my knee when I injured it.

I was in Karate class at school, attempted a hard kick, fell backwards and attempted to use my right leg to catch the fall, hyperextended, heard a crack and fell down. It hurt like hell for 20 minutes before I told the teacher I'd be fine. Wrong, it got swollen real fast. (December 2004(

When I get home, I go on the internet and self diagnose myself with a torn ACL, but my parents just tell me to shut up and say I have no idea what I'm talking about.

So, we take it to my pediatrician the next morning, she says it is just a sprained knee and to take it easy. I don't take the advice and go on the school trip that I had been waiting for the last 3 months to go to. We did about 5-6 miles of walking that day.

Eventually after 2 weeks and 28,000 mg of ibuprofen later, swelling goes down, pain goes away, until 3 months after the initial injury when we're playing dodgeball in gym. I tried to avoid a ball coming at me, my knee slipped up and I fell down again. (February 2005)

It hurt for about 2 weeks, took it the other doctor at my pediatrician's office, he says its a pulled hamstring. My uncle who's a doctor made the same diagnosis as this guy and told me my diagnosis is not correct.

Okay, so take it easy for a month. Next month, Varsity Tennis season is opening up. I play the season for 3 months before tweaking it during the semi-finals. (May 2005)

Finally, we get a name and number of an orthopedic surgeon. We take it there, he orders an x-ray and a MRI, moves my knee around a bit, and then a week later, calls me and says I have a torn ACL and a torn lateral meniscus.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

Ballistic hyperextension at an angle is textbook ACL injury. An athletic trainer would have immediately tested for instability, and probably found it. I'm surprised the peds doc didn't catch it. Did they even test for it? Its a pretty easy test, although its not 100%.

I think that falls more into the "**** happens" category, rather than the "primary care docs are useless" category.

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[Sparda29]

She didn't do that test. She just had me walk back and forth down a hallway and observed my movements.

I could have blocked her from viewing the damage because I was being really careful of trying to maintain stability because I didn't want to miss the field trip.

It could be that **** just happened.

 

[WoahMedicine]

Seems like the people here disagree and I am inclined to concur. If you are legally able to practice medicine you should be able to get a job anywhere with the doctor shortage.

However, I would like to know where you heard this if that is the case.

I have talked to a DME who himself was withdrawn a job opportunity due to the fact did not to an ACGME residency. However, the job was in an area where there are no AOA residencies, and osteopathic physicians are not commonplace.

Good luck

 

[Bond8204]

I have talked to a DME who himself was withdrawn a job opportunity due to the fact did not to an ACGME residency. However, the job was in an area where there are no AOA residencies, and osteopathic physicians are not commonplace.

Good luck

To counterbalance a story like this, I was told by a good friend who is just starting a one year nursing bachelors program that during an "introduction to medicine and the people in medicine etc" type course, they said osteopathic medicine is becoming more popular and many hospitals have policies of hiring an X minimum number of DO's for every Y number of MD's they hire. Her program's at an allopathic school. Thought that was interesting.

 

[slim78]

To counterbalance a story like this, I was told by a good friend who is just starting a one year nursing bachelors program that during an "introduction to medicine and the people in medicine etc" type course, they said osteopathic medicine is becoming more popular and many hospitals have policies of hiring an X minimum number of DO's for every Y number of MD's they hire. Her program's at an allopathic school. Thought that was interesting.

Now affirmative action applies to DOs? Who knew?

 

[JaggerPlate]

All of it is the 'i have a doctor uncle who ...' and ' I shadowed two physicians who ..' type of conjecture. Both good stories, but the validity lies in first hand experiences. If you want to know what matching is like, ask DO residents and attendings.

 

[WoahMedicine]

AOA/ACGME ... bottom line with either one you take is you will be able to practice medicine. Every time you choose a path you open and close new trails of opportunities. Therefore my suggestion to OP is if he wants to do an ACGME residency, he had really ought to wait, boost the application, and get in to an allopathic school. AOA residency training is not a joke, nor lacking in quality, so if you choose to go to an osteopathic school and end up in an AOA residency, you still have a fabulous career ahead of you.

The primary reason you would want to wait to reapply to allopathic schools is for the purpose of the match. Instead of matching into just any ACGME residency you would be more likely to get the ACGME residency of your choice. GOODLUCK

 

[Chuckwalla]

AOA/ACGME ... bottom line with either one you take is you will be able to practice medicine. Every time you choose a path you open and close new trails of opportunities. Therefore my suggestion to OP is if he wants to do an ACGME residency, he had really ought to wait, boost the application, and get in to an allopathic school. AOA residency training is not a joke, nor lacking in quality, so if you choose to go to an osteopathic school and end up in an AOA residency, you still have a fabulous career ahead of you.

The primary reason you would want to wait to reapply to allopathic schools is for the purpose of the match. Instead of matching into just any ACGME residency you would be more likely to get the ACGME residency of your choice. GOODLUCK

I do not have the time or money to boost my application to where it needs to be for a really good shot at MD schools.

 

[WoahMedicine]

I do not have the time or money to boost my application to where it needs to be for a really good shot at MD schools.

If you skipped the AOA match and did not match in ACGME, you can "scramble" into a left over residency which could be either ACGME or AOA.
That should answer your original post.
Either way you will more than likely end up with some kind of residency, in some field.
Good luck, sorry for the derail lol

 

[WBDO]

Why does it not surprise me to see that whoa found his way to "probationary status?"

How dare he tell it like it really is in the pre-do forum...

 

[JaggerPlate]

Why does it not surprise me to see that whoa found his way to "probationary status?"

How dare he tell it like it really is in the pre-do forum...

Yeah, he was chastised for his overtly offensive behavior in this specific thread. *****. Quit trying to stir things up all over or you'll be gone just as fast.

 

[WBDO]

*****. Quit trying to stir things up all over or you'll be gone just as fast.

Did that include name-calling? Or just generally stating the obstacles that one will face as an osteopath?

I'll likely end up a DO as well, and would like to know what I'm up against without having the usual, lower-ends-on-the-intelligence-scale attempting to silence those who can actually help.

 

[Bond8204]

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[JaggerPlate]

Ummm okay to the above posters:

1. WBDO: I don't buy your 'will likely end up at a DO school' line. People frequently drop this line after making pokes at osteopathic medical schools (which train physicians, not osteopaths), in a way to cover their troll intent. You have less than 10 posts on this site, and the two threads where I have seen you comment have all been 'flaming' remarks. If you had general inquires about DO schools, making pithy comments really blurs your intent and I personally don't buy it for a second.

1. Bond: ** Bond removed his comment, so I removed my response **

 

[WBDO]

Ummm okay to the above posters:

1. WBDO: I don't buy your 'will likely end up at a DO school' line. People frequently drop this line after making pokes at osteopathic medical schools (which train physicians, not osteopaths), in a way to cover their troll intent. You have less than 10 posts on this site, and the two threads where I have seen you comment have all been 'flaming' remarks. If you had general inquires about DO schools, making pithy comments really blurs your intent and I personally don't buy it for a second.

1. Bond: ** Bond removed his comment, so I removed my response **

You don't have to "buy it." All you have to do is, ummm, let others voice their concern for this career path. Too hard for you to do without the usual worthless bullsh*t you've grown used to spewing, and without calling names?

 

[MossPoh]

Did that include name-calling? Or just generally stating the obstacles that one will face as an osteopath?

I'll likely end up a DO as well, and would like to know what I'm up against without having the usual, lower-ends-on-the-intelligence-scale attempting to silence those who can actually help.

Right. We are all *****s on these boards. My mommy makes me wear a football helmet when I walk to school. She says I'm speshul.


Seriously, don't try that spin it on us crap. We've seen it more times than we can count. You aren't asking for help, nor are you making reasonable statements backed up by supported evidence. You are spouting off some b.s. conjecture and then calling us stupid? The "obstacles" are pretty well documented. It can be tough to get an MD residency with certain specialities. Thats it. End of story. Just like MD residencies there are good and bad DO residencies. If you want a competitive speciality you are going to have to work regardless of being an MD or a DO. Its not like you can walk into Derm, integrated plastics, radiation oncology or even ortho and ns without succeeding early on. If you are board certified then you will not have trouble finding a job, unless you are trying to get one at a major academic center or in an over-saturated market. In that case, you are going to have trouble regardless of your letters.

I stick with my previous Billy Madison quote.

 

[WBDO]

BTW, if I read Bond's post right before he deleted it, it said something about also being tired of your general ignorance, and tireless effort to silence those who actually have something intelligent to contribute.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Too hard for you to do without the usual worthless bullsh*t you've grown used to spewing, and without calling names?

I guess we will just have to wait and see ...

However, I make no promises about the name calling, and I guess if informing the OP that MD Psych and IM are generally well represented with DOs and to check out solid AOA programs is bullsh*t, then I make no promises about my 'spewing' either. I suppose it boils down to your own personal brand of slander, and do keep in mind that having too negative of an opinion is just as unrealistic as too positive of one. Try to be neutral and do the best you can with the hand you're dealt.

 

[JaggerPlate]

BTW, if I read Bond's post right before he deleted it, it said something about also being tired of your general ignorance, and tireless effort to silence those who actually have something intelligent to contribute.

For whatever reason, Bond removed his reply. I have no hard feelings towards him whatsoever, and I know he's solid. However, I think you have some slight confusion in regards to the term 'intelligent.' For example ...

Right. We are all *****s on these boards. My mommy makes me wear a football helmet when I walk to school. She says I'm speshul.


Seriously, don't try that spin it on us crap. We've seen it more times than we can count. You aren't asking for help, nor are you making reasonable statements backed up by supported evidence. You are spouting off some b.s. conjecture and then calling us stupid? The "obstacles" are pretty well documented. It can be tough to get an MD residency with certain specialities. Thats it. End of story. Just like MD residencies there are good and bad DO residencies. If you want a competitive speciality you are going to have to work regardless of being an MD or a DO. Its not like you can walk into Derm, integrated plastics, radiation oncology or even ortho and ns without succeeding early on. If you are board certified then you will not have trouble finding a job, unless you are trying to get one at a major academic center or in an over-saturated market. In that case, you are going to have trouble regardless of your letters.

I stick with my previous Billy Madison quote.

... this is intelligent. Note how I am making no communist attempt to silence this intelligent reply.

 

[WBDO]

I guess we will just have to wait and see ...

However, I make no promises about the name calling...

a real academic in our midst.

osteopathy at its best... I can't believe the MD's prefer their own...

(Please, God, let my MCAT score increase just a few points so I'm not reduced to this level of intelligence for the remainder of my career...)

 

[JaggerPlate]

a real academic in our midst.

osteopathy at its best... I can't believe the MD's prefer their own...

(Please, God, let my MCAT score increase just a few points so I'm not reduced to this level of intelligence for the remainder of my career...)

I can believe that no one prefers you. Good luck on the MCAT!! It's unfortunate your positive and compassionate attitude won't be applied towards osteopathic medicine. Enjoy the Caribbean. I'm now going to go through all the necessary steps to get you banned as a troll. Can a mod please lock this thread??

 

[a817]

a real academic in our midst.

osteopathy at its best... I can't believe the MD's prefer their own...

(Please, God, let my MCAT score increase just a few points so I'm not reduced to this level of intelligence for the remainder of my career...)

I have no clue whats wrong with you, maybe you were picked on as a kid by a DO. I have no problem being honest, but you do give some really bad information, which is generally wrong. That is what ticks me off. I hope no one takes any of your posts seriously.

 

[JaggerPlate]

I have no clue whats wrong with you, maybe you were picked on as a kid by a DO. I have no problem being honest, but you do give some really bad information, which is generally wrong. That is what ticks me off. I hope no one takes any of your posts seriously.

Just report the posts. He's just a troll who signed up to bash DOs. Will be banned by the end of the night.

 

[WBDO]

I can believe that no one prefers you. Good luck on the MCAT!! It's unfortunate your positive and compassionate attitude won't be applied towards osteopathic medicine. Enjoy the Caribbean. I'm now going to go through all the necessary steps to get you banned as a troll. Can a mod please lock this thread??

Jag, I'm not sure begging for a "mod [to] please lock this thread" will save you from your pathetic previous posts. You embarrass the profession -- both allopathic and osteopathic. Even your best friends have so indicated above.

Get a grip. DO is fine, as long as we're not stuck with a classroom full of low-end folks like yourself. But the idea of being stuck with a class full of folks like you makes me want to wait a year... (or 2 or 3).

You can't blame the MD residency programs for biasing after reading threads like this. Do you really blame them?

 

[JaggerPlate]

Jag, I'm not sure begging for a "mod [to] please lock this thread" will save you from your pathetic previous posts. You embarrass the profession -- both allopathic and osteopathic. Even your best friends have so indicated above.

Get a grip. DO is fine, as long as we're not stuck with a classroom full of low-end folks like yourself. But the idea of being stuck with a class full of folks like you makes me want to wait a year... (or 2 or 3).

You can't blame the MD residency programs for biasing after reading threads like this. Do you really blame them?

I was asking the mods to lock the thread to avoid further flaming. I am 100% confident I owned you on every front. You're a troll, plain and simple. No one is going to deny that, not even my 'best friends that have all turned on me.' Your reply is the perfect example of why I 'begged' for the thread to be locked. You'll be banned in a matter of hours.

 

[WBDO]

I was asking the mods to lock the thread to avoid further flaming. I am 100% confident I owned you on every front. You're a troll, plain and simple. No one is going to deny that, not even my 'best friends that have all turned on me.' Your reply is the perfect example of why I 'begged' for the thread to be locked. You'll be banned in a matter of hours.

Oh, it's clear you've "owned" me. Just ask your best friend above, who's also tired of your endless ignorance.

Keep begging for a mod to lock it. That's by far your best 'argument' yet.

 

[a817]

Jag, I'm not sure begging for a "mod [to] please lock this thread" will save you from your pathetic previous posts. You embarrass the profession -- both allopathic and osteopathic. Even your best friends have so indicated above.

Get a grip. DO is fine, as long as we're not stuck with a classroom full of low-end folks like yourself. But the idea of being stuck with a class full of folks like you makes me want to wait a year... (or 2 or 3).

You can't blame the MD residency programs for biasing after reading threads like this. Do you really blame them?

MD are biased against DO in MD residencies
DO dont let anyone not DO into their residencies, which leads to the 85 percent match rate for your first choice residency program. The residencies where it is extremely tough for a DO to match allopathic residencies is in very competitive feilds. Something like Internal med or psyc which the OP was interested are not that hard, they are DO schools that atleast 25-30 percent of the whole class match in allopathic primary care positions.

What is your complaint about anything i said?

 

[JaggerPlate]

Oh, it's clear you've "owned" me. Just ask your best friend above, who's also tired of your endless ignorance.

Keep begging for a mod to lock it. That's by far your best 'argument' yet.

Okay, I will. I ask that everyone continue to use this thread for the topic at hand and ignore this little side war. Thanks, and sorry for any trouble.

 

[majatoi]

a real academic in our midst.

osteopathy at its best... I can't believe the MD's prefer their own...

(Please, God, let my MCAT score increase just a few points so I'm not reduced to this level of intelligence for the remainder of my career...)

God will grant you a MCAT that will grant you entrance to a sub-par caribbean med school (not to say all caribbean med schools are sub-par, only some) so you can return to the US as a FMG. Cheers.

 

[Lamborghini1315]

Maybe, but this was my experience with my knee when I injured it.

I was in Karate class at school, attempted a hard kick, fell backwards and attempted to use my right leg to catch the fall, hyperextended, heard a crack and fell down. It hurt like hell for 20 minutes before I told the teacher I'd be fine. Wrong, it got swollen real fast. (December 2004(

When I get home, I go on the internet and self diagnose myself with a torn ACL, but my parents just tell me to shut up and say I have no idea what I'm talking about.

So, we take it to my pediatrician the next morning, she says it is just a sprained knee and to take it easy. I don't take the advice and go on the school trip that I had been waiting for the last 3 months to go to. We did about 5-6 miles of walking that day.

Eventually after 2 weeks and 28,000 mg of ibuprofen later, swelling goes down, pain goes away, until 3 months after the initial injury when we're playing dodgeball in gym. I tried to avoid a ball coming at me, my knee slipped up and I fell down again. (February 2005)

It hurt for about 2 weeks, took it the other doctor at my pediatrician's office, he says its a pulled hamstring. My uncle who's a doctor made the same diagnosis as this guy and told me my diagnosis is not correct.

Okay, so take it easy for a month. Next month, Varsity Tennis season is opening up. I play the season for 3 months before tweaking it during the semi-finals. (May 2005)

Finally, we get a name and number of an orthopedic surgeon. We take it there, he orders an x-ray and a MRI, moves my knee around a bit, and then a week later, calls me and says I have a torn ACL and a torn lateral meniscus.

Your first instinct is right, i would see an orthopod right away with any sport related injuries...its not just about diagnosis but also effective treatment right away to avoid further swelling or damage to the tissue. There are not that many orthopedic emergencies unless you are talking "compartment syndrome" but you are much safer to see someone like an orthopedic surgeon who is more ready to accurately diagnose your situation. My 2 cents.

 

[Richie Truxillo]

I going to apply DO schools this cycle. However, I am bothered by the prospect that only 75% of DO's who apply to MD residencies get in. I know I would want to do a MD residency. What happens to these DO's who skip the DO match and do not get into the MD match? Thanks.

They go thru the scramble. If they do not get a scramble spot, many of them do a transitional year somewhere and reapply next cycle.

I don't think that 75% number is remotely accurate. If you could show a reference for this, I'd like to know.


As for finding a job, if you can pass Step III in residency and become board certified, with the physician shortage you'll have no issues finding a job unless you did poor in residency and have many delinquencies that come back to haunt you.

 

[MossPoh]

They go thru the scramble. If they do not get a scramble spot, many of them do a transitional year somewhere and reapply next cycle.

I don't think that 75% number is remotely accurate. If you could show a reference for this, I'd like to know.


As for finding a job, if you can pass Step III in residency and become board certified, with the physician shortage you'll have no issues finding a job unless you did poor in residency and have many delinquencies that come back to haunt you.

Even then, you could probably find someone that will take you.

 

[Instatewaiter]

Maybe, but this was my experience with my knee when I injured it.

I was in Karate class at school, attempted a hard kick, fell backwards and attempted to use my right leg to catch the fall, hyperextended, heard a crack and fell down. It hurt like hell for 20 minutes before I told the teacher I'd be fine. Wrong, it got swollen real fast. (December 2004(

So, we take it to my pediatrician the next morning, she says it is just a sprained knee and to take it easy. I don't take the advice and go on the school trip that I had been waiting for the last 3 months to go to. We did about 5-6 miles of walking that day.

That is classic ACL tear: hyperextension, pop and inflammation/fluid buildup. She should have known what to do.

Honestly a good nurse should know what to do in that situation.

I don't think that 75% number is remotely accurate. If you could show a reference for this, I'd like to know.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=506364

 

[Richie Truxillo]

ah, thanks for the link. Good to know. Ok back to sleep for me!

 

[Evil Eye]

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


And no, job opportunities aren't harder. I have no idea where you get that Mr. or Ms. 3 post WBDO.

Sorry to revive a dead thread...but this is absolutely true. If you do a DO residency you are behind the 8 ball when it comes to job opportunities. Don't bash me, I'm a 4th year student at a DO school and my DEAN told our entire class this recently (he too, is a DO obviously...)

If you complete a residency, there is no guarantee you will get a job. Most hospitals will prefer to hire an MD over a DO, that is a fact.

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

Maybe, but this was my experience with my knee when I injured it.

I was in Karate class at school, attempted a hard kick, fell backwards and attempted to use my right leg to catch the fall, hyperextended, heard a crack and fell down. It hurt like hell for 20 minutes before I told the teacher I'd be fine. Wrong, it got swollen real fast. (December 2004(

When I get home, I go on the internet and self diagnose myself with a torn ACL, but my parents just tell me to shut up and say I have no idea what I'm talking about.

So, we take it to my pediatrician the next morning, she says it is just a sprained knee and to take it easy. I don't take the advice and go on the school trip that I had been waiting for the last 3 months to go to. We did about 5-6 miles of walking that day.

Eventually after 2 weeks and 28,000 mg of ibuprofen later, swelling goes down, pain goes away, until 3 months after the initial injury when we're playing dodgeball in gym. I tried to avoid a ball coming at me, my knee slipped up and I fell down again. (February 2005)

It hurt for about 2 weeks, took it the other doctor at my pediatrician's office, he says its a pulled hamstring. My uncle who's a doctor made the same diagnosis as this guy and told me my diagnosis is not correct.

Okay, so take it easy for a month. Next month, Varsity Tennis season is opening up. I play the season for 3 months before tweaking it during the semi-finals. (May 2005)

Finally, we get a name and number of an orthopedic surgeon. We take it there, he orders an x-ray and a MRI, moves my knee around a bit, and then a week later, calls me and says I have a torn ACL and a torn lateral meniscus.

No offense dude, but your uncle and your pediatrician apparently are not very well trained in orthopedic and/or sports injuries.

Any fourth year interested in PM&R or ortho could have diagnosed that. You dont need an orthopod for something as simple as a blatant ACL tear.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Sorry to revive a dead thread...but this is absolutely true. If you do a DO residency you are behind the 8 ball when it comes to job opportunities. Don't bash me, I'm a 4th year student at a DO school and my DEAN told our entire class this recently (he too, is a DO obviously...)

If you complete a residency, there is no guarantee you will get a job. Most hospitals will prefer to hire an MD over a DO, that is a fact.

You provide no evidence, which is something that is usually inherent in 'fact.' Just go away.

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

Sorry to revive a dead thread...but this is absolutely true. If you do a DO residency you are behind the 8 ball when it comes to job opportunities. Don't bash me, I'm a 4th year student at a DO school and my DEAN told our entire class this recently (he too, is a DO obviously...)

If you complete a residency, there is no guarantee you will get a job. Most hospitals will prefer to hire an MD over a DO, that is a fact.

You have 19 posts, you joined in January, and this is the kind of thread you revive?

You are right though. DOs that do DO residencies have a really tough time finding a job. Even fellowship opportunities for DOs are tough to get since their residency education is so inferior.

 

[MossPoh]

Sorry to revive a dead thread...but this is absolutely true. If you do a DO residency you are behind the 8 ball when it comes to job opportunities. Don't bash me, I'm a 4th year student at a DO school and my DEAN told our entire class this recently (he too, is a DO obviously...)

If you complete a residency, there is no guarantee you will get a job. Most hospitals will prefer to hire an MD over a DO, that is a fact.

I don't know what hospital you have worked at but I know hospital administration and people that do hiring. They don't care. In fact, most of the time hospitals don't even hire the doctor. If you are in private practice then the group does the hiring.

So no, it isn't a fact. You can't call something a fact without any evidence. I have never met any residency trained physician whether they are MD/DO or DPM for that matter that has had any real trouble finding a job. If they do, it is for legal issues in the past. Will you instantly walk into any open position anywhere in the country? Of course not, but finding a job anywhere but the most saturated market is not that difficult as a physician unless you are completely incompetent.

 

[JaggerPlate]

I don't know what hospital you have worked at but I know hospital administration and people that do hiring. They don't care. In fact, most of the time hospitals don't even hire the doctor. If you are in private practice then the group does the hiring.

So no, it isn't a fact. You can't call something a fact without any evidence. I have never met any residency trained physician whether they are MD/DO or DPM for that matter that has had any real trouble finding a job. If they do, it is for legal issues in the past. Will you instantly walk into any open position anywhere in the country? Of course not, but finding a job anywhere but the most saturated market is not that difficult as a physician unless you are completely incompetent.

Fo shoo.

 

[JanikeyDoc]

I was under the assumption that if DOs do not match into allopathic residencies they can match into Osteopathic ones.

 

[Chocolate Bear]

I was under the assumption that if DOs do not match into allopathic residencies they can match into Osteopathic ones.

They can (and many *do*) choose to go to AOA (DO) residencies, as well.

And you're right, also.

 

[beckhunter116]

I was under the assumption that if DOs do not match into allopathic residencies they can match into Osteopathic ones.

Just to let you know, the Osteopathic match is done earlier than the allopathic match. If you match in DO, you must go there. Of course you can choose to forgo that match for just MD residencies. If you don't match to that you can scramble into either DO or MD residencies.

 

[JanikeyDoc]

Generally speaking though, the DO route is much better than going to a medical school in a foreign country? I was looking into schools in Australia because the strong American dollar makes it inexpensive but I would prefer to try to stay in the country and get a DO. My stats are 3.3 and a 30 MCAT, some hospital volunteer work, working in a professional occupation as a management consultant currently based in Australia, looking to change career paths. Are DO schools generally friendly towards those who want to change paths into Medicine?

 

[beckhunter116]

DO schools are very friendly to people with previous careers--they really focus on the whole person in admissions (or so I've been told). You should probably check out the Non-trad forum for more on that.

I know that typically the advice is that it is better to go DO than Carib. However, I really have no idea how Australia schools are and if they are just considered FMG just like anyone else. Hopefully others can give some input! Good luck!

 

[JaggerPlate]

Generally speaking though, the DO route is much better than going to a medical school in a foreign country? I was looking into schools in Australia because the strong American dollar makes it inexpensive but I would prefer to try to stay in the country and get a DO. My stats are 3.3 and a 30 MCAT, some hospital volunteer work, working in a professional occupation as a management consultant currently based in Australia, looking to change career paths. Are DO schools generally friendly towards those who want to change paths into Medicine?

Not only are DO schools very friendly to career changers, but Allo schools also usually show better acceptance rates for older/more life experience applicants. With a 3.3/30 ... I'd apply both. Good luck.