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Which one?
what about LECOM and UMDNJ?They aren't formally ranked, this isn't law school. However CCOM, PCOM, NYCOM, DMU, KCOM, KCUMB, Western, and TCOM are considered the better of the DO schools. In that they are older and more well established ( Read as: have strong connections and rotations) and have stats which are pretty comparable to MD schools.
this is a very subjective question.
what about LECOM and UMDNJ?
this is a very subjective question.
Agreed. There is no 'US News Research Ranking' for most DO schools. So what sorts of criteria are you looking for? Gaudy GPA/MCAT averages? Low acceptance rates? High COMLEX pass rates? High % matched into derm?
I am just saying that I might throw a few DO schools into the mix in addition to applying majority MD. I was wondering what is the most well established osteopathic medical school in that they can get an allopathic residency easily if they wanted to in say anesthesiology.
Not the school, the applicant. Board scores, grades, LORs, rotations.
I am just saying that I might throw a few DO schools into the mix in addition to applying majority MD. I was wondering what is the most well established osteopathic medical school in that they can get an allopathic residency easily if they wanted to in say anesthesiology.
I may be biased, but tcom has Excellent matches, 99% comlex pass rate, 75% of us take usmle and we have a 95% pass rate, and I think we have the most NIH research funding.
MSU is actually the only one that's "ranked" and UMDNJ is the leader in research. Other than that, the older schools like PCOM, TCOM, OSUCOM, KCOM, KCUMB, CCOM, and Western are equally as good.
TCOM is "ranked" too. U.S. News & World Report has always listed TCOM as "University of North Texas Health Science Center, Fort Worth, TX" (TCOM is basically shorthand for UNTHSC's med school). In fact, TCOM ranked higher than UT Southwestern for primary care the last time I looked.
Oh, that's good to hear.TCOM is "ranked" too. U.S. News & World Report has always listed TCOM as "University of North Texas Health Science Center, Fort Worth, TX" (TCOM is basically shorthand for UNTHSC's med school). In fact, TCOM ranked higher than UT Southwestern for primary care the last time I looked.
And the president of the Texas Medical Board is a TCOM DO.
Research wise, there are no DO schools ranked. But who cares? It only really matters for academic medicine, and it may give an applicant a (very slight) edge into getting into the top-tier programs of any given field, but won't necessarily help with getting into that field in general. The better DO schools are the more established, and if you have a choice then pick them over the newer ones that have limited track records.
Wow you guys rate LECOM that low?
There's always great debate on this, so I will watch what I say, but just know that RVU-COM is a for-profit school (the only FP medical school in the US). This affects many applicants' views on the school.
the way i see it, after visiting schools this cycle.
Tier1: State supported institutions: OUCOM, MSUCOM, TCOM. OSUCOM, UMDNJSOM
Tier2: Established private COMs: PCOM, KCOM, kcumb, NYCOM, CCOM, Western-ca, NSUCOM, UNECOM, dmucom
Tier3 strong community focus : VCOM (both branches), WVSOM,
Tier4 branch schools with established mother institutions: AZCOM, ATSU-SOMA, PCOM-GA
Tier 5: Touro colleges in ca, nv, ny
Tier 6: all LECOM institutions erie, bradenton, seton hill
Tier 7: newer schools with lots of upside: lmu-dcom, wcucom, rvucom, pikeville, pnwucom, western-oregon
I'm kind of baffled by that assessment as well. Personally, I don't agree with that ranking, but to each their own, I guess. I definitely disagree with VCOM/WVSOM being "Tier 3", as I would put them into the Tier 6/7 group. Also, I would flip
Tier 1/2 because I would rank an old, established institution over any new(er) state institution.
I personally in my opinion view LECOM & Touro as tier 2 schools, they are undoubtedly strong schools, but lack as many connections. Tier 1 schools are in my opinion are state schools + Well established privates. VCOM, WCU, WVSOM, and OUCOM, might as well be tier Z for me as I would never attend them.
I personally in my opinion view LECOM & Touro as tier 2 schools, they are undoubtedly strong schools, but lack as many connections. Tier 1 schools are in my opinion are state schools + Well established privates. VCOM, WCU, WVSOM, and OUCOM, might as well be tier Z for me as I would never attend them.
I'm kind of baffled by that assessment as well. Personally, I don't agree with that ranking, but to each their own, I guess. I definitely disagree with VCOM/WVSOM being "Tier 3", as I would put them into the Tier 6/7 group. Also, I would flip
Tier 1/2 because I would rank an old, established institution over any new(er) state institution.
also to the op, if you've researched other threads on the same topic "trying to rank do schools" you will find lots of different opinions. Just try and take everything here with a grain of salt and go out and visit schools yourself before coming to a decision. it also helps to speak to do residents and attendings. In any case though a do from any accredited non profit or for profit school will enable you to practice medicine in an unlimited scope.
the way i see it, after visiting schools this cycle.
Tier1: State supported institutions: OUCOM, MSUCOM, TCOM. OSUCOM, UMDNJSOM
Tier2: Established private COMs: PCOM, KCOM, kcumb, NYCOM, CCOM, Western-ca, NSUCOM, UNECOM, dmucom
Tier3 strong community focus : VCOM (both branches), WVSOM,
Tier4 branch schools with established mother institutions: AZCOM, ATSU-SOMA, PCOM-GA
Tier 5: Touro colleges in ca, nv, ny
Tier 6: all LECOM institutions erie, bradenton, seton hill
Tier 7: newer schools with lots of upside: lmu-dcom, wcucom, rvucom, pikeville, pnwucom, western-oregon
I'll never understand the LECOM hate on here. The school is so underrated on this site it's remarkable. Oh well, I'll just enjoy the immaculate facilities, 50mil wellness center, cheapest 3rd cheapest private school tuition in the country, 95% board pass rate, lengthy list of rotation sites, low cost of living, and of course, its own hospital which has multiple competitive residencies (optho, ortho, oto+plastic, EM, gastro fellowship, sports med fellowship).
Yeah, I guess tier 6 sounds about right .
I'll never understand the LECOM hate on here. The school is so underrated on this site it's remarkable. Oh well, I'll just enjoy the immaculate facilities, 50mil wellness center, 3rd cheapest private school tuition in the country, 95% board pass rate, lengthy list of rotation sites, low cost of living, and of course, its own hospital which has multiple competitive residencies (optho, ortho, oto+plastic, EM, gastro fellowship, sports med fellowship).
Yeah, I guess tier 6 sounds about right .
I personally in my opinion view LECOM & Touro as tier 2 schools, they are undoubtedly strong schools, but lack as many connections. Tier 1 schools are in my opinion are state schools + Well established privates. VCOM, WCU, WVSOM, and OUCOM, might as well be tier Z for me as I would never attend them.
don't get me wrong you'll definitely get a great education for the money at LECOM. most of the "competitive" residencies at the 200 bed Millcreek hospital take on only 1 resident provided they get the funding. the optho program in particular has didactics at columbia univ. though which is pretty legit i must say .
also the 95% pass rate at erie is that for last years class? does lecom require students to take a pre-exam before they are allowed to sit for the real deal.
You may have to either support your claims, or gain some perspective on the number of seats programs usually have. Although millcreek does only have 3 spots for optho (and 21 for ortho), many programs have the same amount.
Ortho has 21 positions with 20 filled
Oto + Facial Plastic Surgery has 5 positions 5 filled
Optho has 3 positions 3 filled
Both fellowships have 3 positions and all 3 filled
I just grabbed the top 8 results for optho from here
3 positions
128274
Genesys Regional Med Ctr-Health Park - Ophthalmology Residency
Ophthalmology
Grand Blanc
MI
3 positions
169701
Hillsdale Community Health Center - Ophthalmology Residency
Ophthalmology
Hillsdale
MI
6 positions
330051
Oakwood Healthcare System Osteo Div - Ophthalmology Residency
Ophthalmology
Trenton
MI
3 positions
128516
Metro Health Hospital - Ophthalmology Residency
Ophthalmology
Wyoming
MI
9 positions
175783
TUCOM/Valley Hospital Medical Center - Ophthalmology Residency
Ophthalmology
Las Vegas
NV
7 positions
157614
St John's Episcopal Hospital South Shore - Ophthalmology Residency
Ophthalmology
Far Rockaway
NY
3 positions
126133
OUCOM/Doctors Hospital - Ophthalmology Residency
Ophthalmology
Columbus
OH
4 positions
126158
OUCOM/Grandview Hosp & Med Ctr - Ophthalmology Residency
Ophthalmology
Dayton
4 positions
130310
Oklahoma State University Medical Center - Ophthalmology Residency
Ophthalmology
Tulsa
OK
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I believe our PBL was either 96% or 97% and LDP was 95% last year. I can't say I'm positive what the process is for us to sit for exams. I can say that we are getting CRUSHED with anatomy right now (which I should be studying) and we were told that we slaughter the average on the anatomy shelf exam.
I wasn't trying to make it look like LECOM was the best, but insinuating that we're "Tier 6" is just insulting. Back to studying.
Pfft. More like Tier 9 bro. That's how bad LECOM is. We're actually leaving 3 open tiers for the schools of the future.I wasn't trying to make it look like LECOM was the best, but insinuating that we're "Tier 6" is just insulting. Back to studying.
the way i see it, after visiting schools this cycle.
Tier1: State supported institutions: OUCOM, MSUCOM, TCOM. OSUCOM, UMDNJSOM
Tier2: Established private COMs: PCOM, KCOM, kcumb, NYCOM, CCOM, Western-ca, NSUCOM, UNECOM, dmucom
Tier3 strong community focus : VCOM (both branches), WVSOM,
Tier4 branch schools with established mother institutions: AZCOM, ATSU-SOMA, PCOM-GA
Tier 5: Touro colleges in ca, nv, ny
Tier 6: all LECOM institutions erie, bradenton, seton hill
Tier 7: newer schools with lots of upside: lmu-dcom, wcucom, rvucom, pikeville, pnwucom, western-oregon
Touro? Really?
the way i see it, after visiting schools this cycle.
Tier1: State supported institutions: OUCOM, MSUCOM, TCOM. OSUCOM, UMDNJSOM
Tier2: Established private COMs: PCOM, KCOM, kcumb, NYCOM, CCOM, Western-ca, NSUCOM, UNECOM, dmucom
Tier3 strong community focus : VCOM (both branches), WVSOM,
Tier4 branch schools with established mother institutions: AZCOM, ATSU-SOMA, PCOM-GA
Tier 5: Touro colleges in ca, nv, ny
Tier 6: all LECOM institutions erie, bradenton, seton hill
Tier 7: newer schools with lots of upside: lmu-dcom, wcucom, rvucom, pikeville, pnwucom, western-oregon
Erie weather + strict dress code = Unhappy Californians.
KCUMB had a kid match integrated plastics last year and I can say with confidence KCUMB had absolutely nothing to do with it. You learn quickly success in med school is based on your work.