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Natural Doctor? Anyone hear of this? it sounds like a breakoff from DO or something....
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kmnfive said:Natural Doctor? Anyone hear of this? it sounds like a breakoff from DO or something....
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danke
ElKapitan said:Doctor of naturopathy? I read a book my Andrew Weil, who is like a pop-culture DO, (Health and Healing was the title) and he said that the doctor of nature is the most un-regulated degree. He went over allopathic medicine, Osteopathic medicine, Chiropractic Medicine, Homeopathic Medicine, Naturopathy, and basically critiqued their credibility. He is very much a hippy type, so he said you could find proper treatment from any type of medicine; however one should be weary of naturopathy because it seemed rather fishy since there was no consistency from school to school with its teachings.
Larsitron said:Dr. Weil is an MD and a professor at the University of Arizona and is a proponent of integrative medicine. Some people disagree with him, but he's not a quack. I know ElKaptian wasn't calling him one, but I just feel like defending the guy as he's often a target for people who aim their sights at anything other than traditional allopathic medicine.
kmnfive said:Natural Doctor? Anyone hear of this? it sounds like a breakoff from DO or something....
let me know -=)
danke
fun8stuff said:a wanna-be doc
chocolate-e said:so we're all NDs, then?
Just cause they take classes with the same titles does not necessarily mean they are of the same quality...Hets said:I had an A&P professor that was an ND. She had her own practice, and was a professor as well. ND's go to medical school with a similar curriculum to MD's or DO's... They still have to take all the pre med requirements that MD and DO's do...
Naturopathic physicians are primary care providers who look at treating the whole person, but their practice includes laboratory and clinical diagnosis, botanical medicine, nutrition, homeopathy, and preventative medicine. They can practice in any state where they meet the licensing and state req's, and take ND boards as well. They do a four year med program, and do the last two years in clinicals, and still learn the same pharmacology etc., as MD and DO students.
vikaskoth said:this should give you an idea, ricky williams is in a college for this right now
getunconcsious said:North Dakota. The credential signifies that the person is from North Dakota.
Hets said:I had an A&P professor that was an ND. She had her own practice, and was a professor as well. ND's go to medical school with a similar curriculum to MD's or DO's... They still have to take all the pre med requirements that MD and DO's do...
Naturopathic physicians are primary care providers who look at treating the whole person, but their practice includes laboratory and clinical diagnosis, botanical medicine, nutrition, homeopathy, and preventative medicine. They can practice in any state where they meet the licensing and state req's, and take ND boards as well. They do a four year med program, and do the last two years in clinicals, and still learn the same pharmacology etc., as MD and DO students.
The ND I knew worked with other family doctors (I believe a couple MD's and a DO) in a private practice in PA. Its a very interesting field, and they focus a lot on preventative medication, and supplemental medicine.
see their site for more info: http://www.aanmc.org/faq.php#licensure
futuredoc10 said:Ricky Williams really entered a ND program? Where?
vikaskoth said:this should give you an idea, ricky williams is in a college for this right now
OSUdoc08 said:No, Ricky Williams is not enrolled in an ND program. This is where he is enrolled:
http://www.ayurvedacollege.com/services/RickyWilliams_000.htm
He sure is leading one crazy life!Code Brown said:So he'll be a yoga instructor then?
Furrball said:Naturopathic Doctor, herbal supplements, homeopathy, "alternative therapies." Here in Oregon is the "Mother Ship" of naturopathic medicine in the US. In Oregon they can Rx for anything that is "natural", e.g. morphine but not fentanyl. My downstairs neighbor is a NP student. One of the ICU nurses at the Portland VA is a NP with a naturopathic practice she shares with another NP. They push a lot of vitamins, claim to "detoxify" their patients, practice homeopathy -- distilled water that they claim is an infinite dilution of a substance. Get this... the water in the infinite dilution supposedly has a "memory" of the therapeutic substance and it is this memory that is therapeutic. I think this may violate the second law of thermodynamics, but what the hell. They are a bunch of quacks practicing what was probably considered bad medicine a hundred years ago. On the plus side they have a lot more time to spend with their patients.
kmnfive said:Would chiropractors be pushed under this label too as ND's?
Much of this is just not true.spundit said:This site is pretty fascinating! Well please allow a newbie to join in on the conversation...
I am a practitioner of oriental medicine, meaning I perform acupuncture and prescribe oriental herbs. Naturopaths are not trained in acpuncture at all. They might take a class about it, but the curriculm does not include training to treat patients with acupuncture and prescribe oriental herbal formulas. From what i understand, naturopaths are trained to diagnose just like MDs and DOs and treat the patients by prescribing natural remedies such as extracts, vitamins, and other supplements. Some insurance companies do reimburse for their services, but i am pretty sure the natural remedies are excluded.
Bastyr is a great school for Naturopathic Medicine. They also have a program for Oriental Medicine and the school is very reputable. However, finding a job as an alternative medicine practitioner (chiropractors, NDs, acupuncturists like myself, and homeopaths) is extremely difficult. Private practice is a difficult proposition especially for a new graduate of alternative medicine.
Naturopathic medicine, oriental medicine, ayurveda is pretty popular along the west coast. But I will say this about the schools offering these programs: The admissions standards are lax, in some cases completely ignored, by many of the alternative medicine schools cause they need to make money. It's getting to be a sad predicament cause these schools are popping up all over the country.
Oh and ricky williams is planning to be an ayurvedic practitioner and not an ND. But this does not mean he will get more access to cannabis sativa by any means...
My point is that this isn't really an issue of opinion. One of these medical philosophies has scientific basis and empirical evidence for its effectiveness. The other is at best a placebo effect. For example:Furrball said:Would it be possible to prevent this thread from becoming a pissing match between practitioners of allopathic / osteopathic medicine and CAM? We all have our own opinions. It would probably be much more interesting to exchange opinions and ideas on this subject matter than to argue about whether or not our stethoscope is longer than their needles.
Larsitron said:Dr. Weil is an MD and a professor at the University of Arizona and is a proponent of integrative medicine. Some people disagree with him, but he's not a quack. I know ElKaptian wasn't calling him one, but I just feel like defending the guy as he's often a target for people who aim their sights at anything other than traditional allopathic medicine.