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Heres a question: address people by first name, or still call them "Dr so and so" like residency interviews?
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Why does anyone ever think this is OK? Even the youngsters/med students are doing this?Always “Dr X”.
One mistake applicants make all the time at our program (usually in email) is referring to our male PD as “Dr Jones”, and our female APD as “Jane” in the same message. Huge mistake.
Always “Dr X”.
One mistake applicants make all the time at our program (usually in email) is referring to our male PD as “Dr Jones”, and our female APD as “Jane” in the same message. Huge mistake.
Call everyone who is a physician "Doctor" until they tell you not to, and even, continue to do so. It shows them respect and shows the people around them (ie staff) they deserve respect. I know many of these small community practices love this "we're on a first name basis" stuff. Well no, not me, I'm "Doctor" because low and behold they'll start calling you by you first name in front of patients and then the patients lose respect for you. If you can't call me "Doctor" in a professional setting then don't talk to me.Heres a question: address people by first name, or still call them "Dr so and so" like residency interviews?
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Why does anyone ever think this is OK? Even the youngsters/med students are doing this?
When I get recruiter emails doing this I call them out. You don’t know me like that. It’s not often I get it, but it happens.
Is it that bad to request a last min call off for personal issues (eg parents got killed in a car crash) . A request is just a request and may not get filled. It can be distracting If you go to work knowing there's more important stuff to take care of.
No it’s not bad to make that request - we are all humans here, and we realize S happens. But, it’s bad to ask about it during the interview. It implies that it’s gonna be a regular thing with you. Are you planning on having your parents get killed in a car crash??
No it’s not bad to make that request - we are all humans here, and we realize S happens. But, it’s bad to ask about it during the interview. It implies that it’s gonna be a regular thing with you. Are you planning on having your parents get killed in a car crash??
I think most people are planning on their kid getting sent home sick from school or daycare. Its a top concern for most single parents/dual income couples since it comes up at least once every couple of months. Most people are fine making up the days but you need the flexibility. If your group has never managed to work out any kind of back up/call out system then that's something I would want to know in advance.No it’s not bad to make that request - we are all humans here, and we realize S happens. But, it’s bad to ask about it during the interview. It implies that it’s gonna be a regular thing with you. Are you planning on having your parents get killed in a car crash??
I knew a (career military) pulmonologist who flat out refused to use first names under any circumstances, even when he working with civilian staff or moonlighting at Kaiser. The Nurse was RN Lastname. The MA was MA lastname. It always seemed like a good habit to me. It sounds weird the first time you hear it but I never saw it offend anyone.Always “Dr X”.
One mistake applicants make all the time at our program (usually in email) is referring to our male PD as “Dr Jones”, and our female APD as “Jane” in the same message. Huge mistake.
[/QUOTE]Feel free to ask whatever you want. Just know how it is likely to be perceived. If you’re ok with that, that’s fine.
Just keep in mind we aren’t neurosurgeons here- most groups have options as far as candidates go.
We are doctors, not nurses. People expect us to be at work. In my group, if you don’t show up, we have to most likely at minimum tell a surgeon his schedule is now changed and at maximum shut down a room. Our post call guy is usually cleaning up some stuff from the night before or doing a shorter case.....or has been working all night; so that’s not ever something that can be counted on. The surgeons don’t care about our personal circumstances, and neither does the hospital who is trying to keep ORs running. If my group can’t do that, they will find one that will....maybe others on this board have groups that run differently. For us, it's a matter of keeping our contract and fulfilling our contractual obligations to cover rooms.
It is rare that someone in our group has something occur that results in a call in. The most recent was a partner who was hospitalized. The surgeon was understanding because of the guy literally being in the hospital and the fact that it hardly ever happens. A sick kid would not go over well. We have all had sick kids, you have to have a plan for that.
So we should introduce ourselves to the interviewer as Dr. Xyz?
We are a private group, so such a system, while it would be really nice, would cost us a lot of money. We are doc only, so we run lean and don’t reliably have extra bodies. Nobody wants to take a pay cut and we definitely aren’t going to request a bigger subsidy.
No. IMO there is no upside to this. If you were interviewing with my group and introduced yourself as Dr. anbuitachi I would think you're a pretentious dbag.
Boom.
unless you want to be on-call for free?
. The things that are keeping many groups doing well is that we a reliable for the service we provide therefore we need reliable people working with us.
That is how backup call works, yes. You generally don't get paid unless you get called in for a shift. The benefit to you is that you can call out of work when you/your kid is sick. Actual call ins with a backup call system are pretty rare, so your responsibility is mostly to do sober things within an hour of the hospital on your day off.
There's usually, though not always, some kind of financial incentive to keep people from abusing it. You can make people spend vacation days, make up two shifts for each call out, pay the back 1.5x the cost of the shift. Whatever works
Backup call is, again, another way to get to reliability. You need someone showing up for the shift. That can mean expecting people to take backup call or expecting people to work with gastro. They're different kinds of suck for the same result. I'd personally prefer backup call.
They can't pay you money to be on call unless you make money on call. A backup call system means no more money coming in so there can't be any more money going out. If they paid for backup call it would just be moving numbers around so that you got paid less for actual work days.Don’t take any job that doesn’t pay you to be on call, even if it’s back up. You’re getting hosed
No, it’s not bad to ask for a last minute reprieve for personal issues. It is bad to ask if you can do it during the interview. There is a difference. If you and the group agree to pursue a partnership and you tw9 are farther along in the process, you may ask what the group’s policy is regarding urgent/emergent last minute needs. Never in the initial interview process (unless they take it there).Is it that bad to request a last min call off for personal issues (eg parents got killed in a car crash) . A request is just a request and may not get filled. It can be distracting If you go to work knowing there's more important stuff to take care of.
It reminds me of how everyone expect us to not go to work when sick bc we can infect patient and colleagues. We've probably all had those days when we went to bed feeling soso and woke up feeling like ****. Should we call in sick last minute? And as doctors we also know we usually don't recover completely in 1 day.
That is how backup call works, yes. You generally don't get paid unless you get called in for a shift. The benefit to you is that you can call out of work when you/your kid is sick. Actual call ins with a backup call system are pretty rare, so your responsibility is mostly to do sober things within an hour of the hospital on your day off.
There's usually, though not always, some kind of financial incentive to keep people from abusing it. You can make people spend vacation days, make up two shifts for each call out, pay the back 1.5x the cost of the shift. Whatever works
Backup call is, again, another way to get to reliability. You need someone showing up for the shift. That can mean expecting people to take backup call or expecting people to work with gastro. They're different kinds of suck for the same result. I'd personally prefer backup call.
Do most people meet with interviewee and that's it before they decide if they want the job or not after the offer? Is it common to go around the ORs for a day or something on your own to check out the actual work flow? We all know how BS interviews can be and how many people fake it. I'm sure it's just as easy for the interviewer to make the job sound glorious . So if you are serious about possibly taking the offer how common is it to chill there for a day? Like if you have ****ty techs or barely any techs, your weekday will be way more annoying..
Same hereOurs spend a day in the ORs if we get to that point. We do a phone screen first on everyone before we invite them to the ORs. They spend the day with 1-3 partners in the OR depending on cases and then we have a big dinner that night with partners.
Another turnoff is when a candidates first questions are how much money and vacation. Wait till you decide if you like the group before going into all of this. There is plenty of time.
I’ve said it here before, we pulled an offer from a candidate years ago because the candidate was too concerned about this stuff. Trust me, we get a lot of time off and make plenty of money. But this candidate was too fixated on this.
As someone who went to a brand new medical school...the devil is in the details...one should attempt to root those out ahead of time. I've read a ****eload of stories on this site from a significant portion of the people who are posting on this thread about **** jobs out there that people got screwed over in because **** was hidden during the interview.What's up with all the "attention to details" bs? Details are for loosers, i'd rather have someone able to see the big picture than one stuck on insignificant details.
My post may be a bit misleading. You will get this information early in the process just don’t make it your first concerns. You will more than likely have a good idea of money and vacation before your actual site visit. We don’t go into that in much detail until we know you are a good candidate. That’s just not something I want out in public. I don’t want candidates choosing to interview with me based on this information. I am very confident with what my offer is and I will convey this to a candidate.Interesting. One would think those stuff are some stuff you'd get out of the way quickly since they somewhat matter to everyone. Though if the job posts a salary range won't that act as a filter of sorts for applicants? If they know going in the job pays 200k for 60 hrs w q4 calls they may not even apply! Less work for everyone
What's up with all the "attention to details" bs? Details are for loosers, i'd rather have someone able to see the big picture than one stuck on insignificant details.
100%Also, what is more important than money and vacation is work environment, types of cases, location, administrative support, and work relationships. If any one of these is poor then it doesn’t matter how much we pay or time off we give.
What type of metrics? Somehow in our practice everyone’s pain is less than 5 and nobody ever has PONVWell, a good amount of our subsidy is metrics. check the box type stuff. If you aren’t good with details, you will cost us money.
What type of metrics? Somehow in our practice everyone’s pain is less than 5 and nobody ever has PONV
Ideally, the interviewer would already have your CV in front of them so all it really takes is just a cordial introduction, but interviewee should still first refer to interviewer as “Dr”. 9/10 the interviewer will open with “Hello Dr -blank-“
As someone who went to a brand new medical school...the devil is in the details...one should attempt to root those out ahead of time. I've read a ****eload of stories on this site from a significant portion of the people who are posting on this thread about **** jobs out there that people got screwed over in because **** was hidden during the interview.
Well, a good amount of our subsidy is metrics. check the box type stuff. If you aren’t good with details, you will cost us money.
Sooooo basically don't be a tool who lacks common sense.
Got it.
Seems easy enough but from meeting most of my peers I can understand why so many struggle with this.