What to use to practice sutures ??

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    I'm trying to practice sutures and general surgery for upcoming events. I feel like buying a suture pad is unnecessary as it's simply overpriced ($30-$50). What did you use to practice sutures and cutting?

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    An orange is good. A chicken breast is better.
     
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    Stuck to foam boards/ suture pads for suturing or belt loop for tying knots myself because I preferred not handling food (especially raw meat) while practicing. Some of my colleagues have sworn by banana skins though
     
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    Quick question. When using an orange, would I slice the Orange in half to create a flat surface to put the orange on?
     
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    Either. But you really shouldn't be trying to practice suturing in high school. With no one to teach you, you can pick up bad habits that you'd have to unlearn later if you eventually go into surgery. Also, there are much better uses for your time in high school.

    You should restrict your posting to the high school forum for now. hSDN
     
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    Just cut the peel and sew it back together
     
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    Didn't realize it was a high schooler. If they watch some YouTube videos and practice is it all that much different than an intern?
     
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    Yes. Also its weird.
     
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    Haha some people are eager and overachievers

    Are you worried you are aiding and abetting a budding serial killer?
     
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    I'm planning to attend couple summer programs on medicine. I'll be able to see if I learned my sutures right :)
     
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    I did a "so you want to be a doctor" course when I was in high school where we learned a bit about the app process, the job of medicine, did some skills stuff.

    It was a total scam and basically just a moneymaking scheme for this cardiologist dude, but I ended up going to med school anyway
     
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    The program that I was planning to attend was UPenn's Summer Medicine program. It should be a good fit for me.
     
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    12AD064A-BA42-4FE5-A621-CC23825D64CB.png This seems like a crazy use of $8K to me. Just IMHO. But I guess if your family has that kind of $$, go for it.
     
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    Yeah it's definitely alot of money for my family too. Would you think it's a good use for it? I'm basically paying for a month of tuition, food, and housing from UPenn.
     
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    UPenn Summer Medicine Program: $8,000, not including housing and food.

    Shadowing doctors in your community (family members? family friends?), participating in healthcare-related volunteer work, reading books/articles about healthcare: $0.

    Which of the above two options sounds like a better deal?

    (By the way, forget suturing. During your four years of undergrad -- and most likely during your first couple of years in medical school, you won't be suturing anyone or anything. It's completely irrelevant to your life right now.)
     
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    College would be a better use for it.
     
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    Ok guys, how much would a month long soccer camp cost? How much would a month long chess camp cost?

    It probably looks good on the med school application, and gives fodder for the "how do you know you want to be a doctor" question, as well. Could easily be a +EV purchase from that standpoint alone
     
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    I don’t think Med schools will care about the medicine camp you attended as a junior in high school.
     
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    Why not?
     
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    Not relevant to high schoolers, but in general one pitfall I do see is practicing in an idealized environment. Practicing tying 0 silks on your scrubs without gloves (while better then nothing) won't help you much with tying mono-filaments when double gloved.
     
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    In another post, you said you were in high school. What are you doing suturing?


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    This is completely irrelevant, but please stop calling it UPenn. No one who is actually at Penn (or from Philadelphia, for that matter) calls it UPenn, aside from Asian immigrant parents who talk about sending their children there. It's just "Penn."
     
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    Also, that is a crap ton of money for something that is likely to be largely useless.

    I am assuming that you are a Pennsylvania resident. If so, why not just apply for the Governor's Schools instead? They're free.
     
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    I'm guessing I would be applying for "Governor's School of Sciences"?
     
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    Just doing it for a hobby. I know I'll probably doing it over again, but it's good to know these things.
     
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    And you've got it correct. My asian parents call it UPenn also. :eek:
     
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    They used to have a healthcare one. I see that they've changed the name to Healthcare Scholars Academy: Home | Health Career Scholars Academy | University of Pittsburgh

    The price also went up. But still. $2800 is wayyyy cheaper.
     
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    I know. Mine did too for a long time. They finally stopped a few years ago, after being told "no one calls it UPitt, so please stop calling it UPenn."
     
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    Eh, I haven't been living in PA for a while (12 years now, jeez) but everyone in my neck of the woods (Poconos) referred to it as UPenn
     
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    Outside of Philadephia, yes, a lot of people still call it UPenn. Inside Philadelphia, no. (Again, except for the Asian immigrant parent thing.) Anyone who goes to Penn, definitely not. Anyone who is related to/married to/partnered with/friends with a Penn student or alum, no.
     
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    True. It's definitely Penn med, not UPenn. And I think the two co-chiefs of mine last year who matched plastics and breast at Penn just referred to it as such
     
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    Yeah, call it "UPenn" in front of a Penn grad and watch them flinch....

    It's actually part of their slogan. "Your life is worth Penn Medicine." One of my peds attendings in residency would rant about how condescending their slogan was whenever we were on call together overnight in the ED and we'd see a patient who gets most of their care at Penn/CHOP.
     
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    Exactly. Whenever any of the students ask me I always tell them to practice double gloved and use like 4-0 prolene or something.
     
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    Another problem for me would be that I live near Philadelphia.Unless I would be provided with housing and living care, how would I be able to travel from Philadelphia to Pitt everyday?
     
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    That's partly what the $2800 is for. To pay for housing and food.

    Even if you went to the Penn summer medicine program, I would be somewhat surprised if they would let you travel back and forth from home. All of these types of programs are generally residential programs, where you live in a dorm with other people in that program.
     
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    So a governor's school would provide me with housing? Or would I have to pay for that also.
     
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    Dude, just get a job at whatever hospital working as an orderly/transport. It'll give you stuff to talk about in your college/MS application essays, and you'll make money instead of spending. Med schools love people who either are, or appear to be, poor. People who work to earn money. They are bored of prep school kids who drop 8g on summer programs.
     
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    Governor's school pays for everything - housing, food, tuition, etc.

    The Healthcare Sciences used to be a Governor's school, but I think funding got cut for it. So someone resurrected the program as a private program that is sponsored by Pitt. That's why that particular program charges $2800.
     
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    Having done Governor's school for healthcare as a high schooler, it was a pretty cool experience. It was still free back in my day, but (at least then) it was good experience to show you (primarily) the OTHER aspects of healthcare. PA, Nurse, Podiatry, etc. Obviously n=1, but I thought it helped me explain to BS/MD interviewers how I knew I wanted to be a doctor and not a nurse/PA/etc. At least that's how I spun it. YMMV.
     
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    Would you think Pitt would give me the same experience? I am planning to apply for BS/MD also in the future.
     
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    I don't know. I don't know how the program has changed and I have no experience with UPenn's. I would look at the websites for both of them in terms of what they cover.
     
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    Lol I think my cousin also did this program
     
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    Mine was in minnesota, circa 2000. I'm sure there were others
     
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    Hm so maybe not the same one, but there is another cardiologist doing a similar thing in Florida. My cousin is now convinced he wants to be a CT surgeon after dissecting a pig heart...
     
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    Shocker that cardiologists would be overrepresented among moneymaking scams
     
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    I dont recommend suturing without superviser in highschool. If you havent startet studiing start slow by teaching yourself how to knot. you dont need more than a the laces of your shoe. and videos are found plenty on the internet. Try SutureTV on youtube for example :)
     
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