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FancyTeeth

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Hi SDN, I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I'm currently working full time and taking classes at night at a community college. I've been doing fine, but as I move up in classes they're getting tougher and require more study time. Also, I need to take the upper level pre reqs at a 4 yr university, which only seem to offer these courses during working hours.

The only thing that's holding me back are the thought of taking out loans for another undergrad degree. I could finish it in 2 years if I quit my job and went back full time. Do you think the loans are worth it? I don't have anyone else to fall back on, but if I'm going to do this all the way, now is the time in my life to do it. Is this a completely irresponsible idea?

Thanks for your input!
 
Why are you considering a second undergrad degree? Just knock out the required d-school courses and be done, unless you need these to boost GPA, in which case why not a masters?

I quit working 10 years after completing undergrad. Did every dental pre-req in 3 semesters. Doing most of them at city college saved me over $20,000 versus a state school (cal state). Only regret is some schools wont consider my application due to the cc units.

I didnt want debt for the pre-reqs. But thats me. An extra 20K on top of D-school tuition wont kill you, but 20K is still 20K. My reasoning is the classes dont really do anything for you independent of being a stepping stone to get into dentistry. But debt for a DDS/DMD I think is absolutely justified.

Everyones financial situation is different and you just have to decide what is best for you.
 
Thanks averagejoe. I was thinking about just taking the pre reqs to apply. Where did you apply that didn't take cc credits? I'm finding that some of mine aren't satisfying the requirements for pre reqs, which is setting me back. I'm just tired of cross checking a million times to make sure they work. If I just went back to school I could go to the 4 yr university and just KNOW that they work.

Was there a lapse of time between finishing your pre reqs and starting dental school?
 
Hi FancyTeeth!

I am in a VERY similar situation. I have decided to stop working and enroll in a post-bacc program. Like others have said, the rationality of debt is totally your call. In my case, I think it is worth it. I want to make myself as marketable as possible against the pre-dental undergrads, and CC credits just won't do that (at least I don't think so). I would check and see if there is anything available in terms of formal post baccs in your area. Mine will only take one year, and is priced the same as taking 'regular' courses at the university. Mine is also geared towards career-changers, so it's extra personalized. Check around, and best of luck!!
 
I was in a somewhat similar situation. I was working full time when I decided that I wanted to go to dental school. I enrolled in a post bacc program at a four year university. I was taking two to three classes each semester and as you were saying some classes and labs were during the day so I had to cut back on work a bit. My employer was understanding and didn't have a problem with me taking time off at first, but did let me go in the beginning of my third semester. I understand that from the business stand point it was not wise to keep me around as I would be leaving any way, but I totally didn't expect that, so I had to take out loans for that one semester. In about two months I found a part time job that was more flexible and with it I was able to pay the rest of my classes on my own. I'm still working same job and taking just Biochem this semester and Physics II next semester, so if I get accepted this cycle I'll go straight into dental school without any break/interruption.
 
Cheburashka, may I ask when (during your post bacc) did you take the DAT?
 
Hi folks,

I'm in a similar situation. I currently work full time in health informatics, and I'm interested in pursuing a degree through a post bacc and then advance schooling. How did you guys make that leap from working in your careers and what prompted you guys to?
 
Getting in is harder every year. Loans are prob gonna get suckier every year too. If youre trying to get into your state school, much tougher to do now than 10 yrs ago cuz cost of dschool doubled and all the smarty pants predents are wising up to this and choosing their state school, youre gonna need to step ur game up if you wanna play. Cc aint cutting it. 50% of these trad predents got >3.6 gpa at a university and > 20 dat. Some had the extra time to do research and more extracurriculars than a typical working person. Unless ur okay with half a mil in debt, you might get stuck at a private school...going to private dschool is going to easily cost you10x more than that $20k it might cost you to go to university for undergrad...

The worst thing is that depending on your skin color and genitalia that you inherited from the universe you will either increase your chances or drop them like a sack of bricks by literally doing nothing but being born and existing.
 
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Hi everyone, I think you're all right in saying that cc credits won't be cutting it. I really think I'm going to do this, even as scary as it is. I do think in the grand scheme, maybe this early debt now won't be so bad in the long run, like if I had to go to a private school for example. I think the thing that is pushing me to change careers is that if I don't go back full time now, I doubt I'll have the chance to do so again. I also feel like I'm not giving my best effort to my studies because I work almost 60 hours a week. But the discrepancy is dentistry is what I really want to do with my life and I'm not giving it a hundred percent. If I can get past taking out the loans, then I could give it 100 percent. I think I will make the shift- thank you for your opinions!
 
Hi everyone, I think you're all right in saying that cc credits won't be cutting it. I really think I'm going to do this, even as scary as it is. I do think in the grand scheme, maybe this early debt now won't be so bad in the long run, like if I had to go to a private school for example. I think the thing that is pushing me to change careers is that if I don't go back full time now, I doubt I'll have the chance to do so again. I also feel like I'm not giving my best effort to my studies because I work almost 60 hours a week. But the discrepancy is dentistry is what I really want to do with my life and I'm not giving it a hundred percent. If I can get past taking out the loans, then I could give it 100 percent. I think I will make the shift- thank you for your opinions!

make sure you come at the same conclusion yourself and not just follow some random person's (me) train of thought that was hapharzardly constructed in ten minutes about a decision that could affect you for ten years...

always double check what random internet people say...where did I get the statistics about accepted people's gpa and dat score? did you verify it? i hope you did because i pulled that out of the deep recesses of my mind. did you check what percentage of accepted people had cc credits? i hope you did because i sure don't know it off the top of my head. that might say something about what i think i know vs what is definitely true

regardless i tell predents to be as competitive as possible and take classes that shows theyre ready for rigor of dental school (all science classes at a full load). imagine cramming everyday in dental school...
 
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Thanks averagejoe. I was thinking about just taking the pre reqs to apply. Where did you apply that didn't take cc credits? I'm finding that some of mine aren't satisfying the requirements for pre reqs, which is setting me back. I'm just tired of cross checking a million times to make sure they work. If I just went back to school I could go to the 4 yr university and just KNOW that they work.

Was there a lapse of time between finishing your pre reqs and starting dental school?

Shouldnt be that hard to cross check pre-reqs? A 2 semester Ochem series is the same Ochem series anywhere. Physics: schools will take either calc based or algebra based, in fact both were taught in the same classroom at my school. Bio has a little more flexibility, just make sure it isnt remedial. check your desired schools, more and more are requiring micro bio & physio.

I applied way late in December last year and unsurprisingly didnt get in (my timing of pre-reqs, & DAT sucked and didnt really work into the app cycle.) But hoping to save a year, I figured it was worth a shot. So I re-applied this round and right now I'm done with pre-reqs and nothing really to do till next Sept. ~ I run a woodshop out of my garage and make furniture and home decor which I sell online and in a couple stores for $$.

Hi everyone, I think you're all right in saying that cc credits won't be cutting it. I really think I'm going to do this, even as scary as it is. I do think in the grand scheme, maybe this early debt now won't be so bad in the long run, like if I had to go to a private school for example. I think the thing that is pushing me to change careers is that if I don't go back full time now, I doubt I'll have the chance to do so again. I also feel like I'm not giving my best effort to my studies because I work almost 60 hours a week. But the discrepancy is dentistry is what I really want to do with my life and I'm not giving it a hundred percent. If I can get past taking out the loans, then I could give it 100 percent. I think I will make the shift- thank you for your opinions!

I currently have 2 pre-dec interviews and every single pre-req was taken at a cc except Biochem. Just sayin', dont discount them entirely.

Private school cost = state school cost (approximately, with a few notable exceptions especially in Texas. Look at both tuition & often harder to find published "fees")

For me, debt isnt something to be taken lightly. Would my application be stronger if I took the classes at a 4 year? probably, but it just wasnt an option for me. But would I want to attend a school whose ethos of pretentiousness is so ingrained that they wont even consider an applicant from a "lesser" school? F**k No. "Ya well CC classes are easier" ~says the person who never went to one. (Sorry, still a little bitter:eyebrow:)

Some schools have credit limits taken at a CC for pre-reqs, others have limits on electives taken, some have both. Check the ADEA Official Guide to Dental Schools, also check DocToothache's guide. Attached is a spreadsheet with most of the schools listed and their cc and AP policy. As always dont trust anything on the internet, verify everything for yourself.
 

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Cheburashka, may I ask when (during your post bacc) did you take the DAT?

I took DAT on my spring break (March of 2013). I scheduled it that way so if I bombed it I could retake it in June and still be considered an early applicant for this cycle. I was a bit worried about Ochem section as at that point I was in the middle of Orgo II, but surprisingly I scored the highest in Ochem. Overall I didn't do the greatest (19/19/19), but I hope it will be enough to get in without having to retake.
 
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