what year to get pregnant

[rphello]

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I'll go with coincidental + irrational. About a year ago my car exploded, but I didn't think it was the gods smiting me...

How about apophenia? Although I did notice the face of Jesus burned into my toast this morning. Even though we don't know what Jesus looks like, it's the thought that counts. Does that mean I shouldn't eat toast?

 

[VancTheTank]

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[SHC1984]

But the world is built on personal narcissism. Selfishness is a required survival trait. Monogamy is suited for the people with the best genes who don't want to corrupt their offspring with random genetic chance. Unless a guy is okay with the thought of his children growing up poor and ruining their chances of mating well, a guy would have adapted by now to having as many children as he can provide for and leave a legacy with. I would think that promiscuity is a sign of degeneracy. It could be why some women don't get turned on by promiscuous men, but rather super picky men. George Clooney for me? He's too old. Plus, I get hit on by guys way hotter than that, but I don't get turned on by appearances. I need a sign of intelligence and desire for extremely selective monogamy. What kind of degenerate woman would throw herself at a promiscuous, yet good-looking man knowing that she may have to raise her children by herself? Is she banking on welfare? Either her genes suck or she's making a short-sale.

So does this rambling of yours reflect your relationship with your wife or just wishful thinking? What if you slept with another woman, she gets pregnant, and refuses to have an abortion? Your wife okay with you raising/paying for the other woman's baby?

What WVUPharm say is right. Its not pretty, but its true. He is NOT saying that having sex with multiple partners is a good thing, but he is saying that that is just the way it is. Men are horny and horny people cheat. Don't take it personally, its their sex drive. And there is no reason to get jealous. If someone cheats...oh the fu*ck well...just find someone else. Don't ever let someone else's actions control you. Don't ever put your heart on your sleeves. 😉

 

[Carboxide]

What WVUPharm say is right. Its not pretty, but its true. He is NOT saying that having sex with multiple partners is a good thing, but he is saying that that is just the way it is. Men are horny and horny people cheat. Don't take it personally, its their sex drive. And there is no reason to get jealous. If someone cheats...oh the fu*ck well...just find someone else. Don't ever let someone else's actions control you. Don't ever put your heart on your sleeves. 😉

Women get horny too, you know...

 

[Kirbypuff]

Pluralism. As in the theory that the universe in and of itself can't explain itself, so it must be explained by the influence of outside forces. It's crazy talk is what it is.



I'll go with coincidental + irrational. About a year ago my car exploded, but I didn't think it was the gods smiting me...

Hmm I see. According to the oh-so-accurate description of pluralism on wikipedia, there are like a billion different ways that word is described. But to go with your version of pluralism, I remember a physics professor who said that people use God to explain the unknown, and as science gets bigger and bigger, our understanding of God and what he does gets smaller and smaller. I'm all for Einstein's Space = Time theory, and I just imagine something along the lines of God =(Space = Time)^2, except my ittybitty brain can't handle anything beyond the 4th dimension, unless I add acceleration into time travel which is wickedly beyond my comprehension. So I'm gonna pull a Dwight Schrute and say: Fact, there are things beyond my comprehension. No, it does not prove that God exists, but it leaves room for his existence. Also, Fact, you can't truly prove anything in this world.

 

[Old Timer]

And I highly doubt that a man would happily take care of children who are not his own in the same way he would his own. Plus, women can give birth to children who are not their own.

Define your own. Do you mean biologically? What about adopted children. You really haven't a clue.....

 

[Kirbypuff]

The guy wrote a book that sold a million copies encapsulating your views. I thought you would be familiar with him. Don't blame your problems on me. It's your assumption that unleashed the fury. How's that for drama, Kirb?

I love it.

 

[Kirbypuff]

Define your own. Do you mean biologically? What about adopted children. You really haven't a clue.....

So you think you can have your own child as well as an adopted child and TRULY love the adopted one equally? A biological parent would easily sacrifice their life to save their child. Would you die for your adopted child? That's the one thing holding me back from adopting children, because I want to have my own children too but I don't want to treat one child differently from the other.

 

[Kirbypuff]

What WVUPharm say is right. Its not pretty, but its true. He is NOT saying that having sex with multiple partners is a good thing, but he is saying that that is just the way it is. Men are horny and horny people cheat. Don't take it personally, its their sex drive. And there is no reason to get jealous. If someone cheats...oh the fu*ck well...just find someone else. Don't ever let someone else's actions control you. Don't ever put your heart on your sleeves. 😉

Hmm icic. I'm too emotional, I need to learn to not react according to my emotions, or I may end up in jail if I get cheated on.

 

[Old Timer]

Who gives a ****. It's just sex. It's one of the great failures of our society as it sets up many couples up for failure. Tying the biological desire to spread your seed as much as humanly possible with the emotion we call love is idiotic.

Guess what. Everyone gets physically bored of their partner. Even girls that aren't as attractive as a long time partner become more sexually appealing because its something different. Even if he doesn't "cheat" on you, he's going to think about it. He's going to get tired of you. It's going to happen because we are all evolutionarily preprogrammed to act that way. Rather than just going with the flow and being less sexually restrictive, we have chosen to try to be something we are not. Monogamous creatures.

The Romans had the right idea. Not being monogamous was not only accepted, it was encouraged. Visiting the brothel was seen as giving praise to one of their gods. Yet they still had workable family units. They separated sex from love...and nobody got divorced because they "cheated." I bet they were happier, too.

It always cracks me up. We are so insecure that the idea that our partners would *gasp* be sexually intrigued by another human being after millions of years of evolution made us that way...it's such an insult to our collective self-esteem. "But we're in love!" Bull****. The emotion of love is just an evolutionary adaptation itself. Why shun one and embrace another?

So I say if your boyfriend wants to diddle another girl for a night...let him...it will make him less likely to want to abandon an emotional relationship with you. There is no potential for sexual entrapment. Same goes for him when George Clooney wants to come by and give you a whirl.

Sure, my theories are controversial...but I'm right. Imagine a world with no guilt, no jealousy...just honesty. ****in' eh. It would be nice. But our society is too centered on personal narcissism. People need to believe that some other human thinks they are the most beautiful person on the planet. 99.99999999% of people are living a lie. It's just like everything else. People don't want to know the truth or accept the truth...or god forbid...just live the truth...they want to be lied to...they want to pretend they are special and something they aren't and never will be. It's maturity on the level of a Disney movie. And it's the predominant societal mores.

WVU is so wrong yet right 🙁 Then again, it's possible to be happy with one person. You just can't achieve it in this society.

Of course you can. But to pretend to each other than you are only sexually interested in each other is just lying...and leads to misery.

This is all BULL****. You can have a great many urges. The difference between humans and animals is we can control ours. Just because you think you might like to f*** any woman you see does not mean you should act on those feelings. Nobody says you will never be attracted to another person. Your theories are not controversial, they are infantile.

I have been happily married to the same woman for 26 years. Just because I find a certain other female is attractive does not mean I will attempt to mate with her just to satisfy some animalistic urge. This is like the five year old who has to eat the candy. It's pure unadulterated crap. It's natural to look and it's natural to want to touch, but it's human to get a hold of yourself Think back to the wise man who 2000 years ago asked:

Who is strong? He who controls is passions. For it is said, "He that is slow to anger is better than a hero; and he that ruleth his spirit is better than a conqueror of a city" (Proverbs 16:32).
Ben Zoma Mishna Avot 4:1

Ben Zoma didn't comment on physical strength or physical challenges, but chose to reflect on true strength as manifested by a person who is able to successfully battle the spiritual enemy within himself. Selfishness, jealousy, lust, and hatred are only a few of the internal evils that we battle consciously and unconsciously on a daily basis.

 

[alenadoma]

Hmm icic. I'm too emotional, I need to learn to not react according to my emotions, or I may end up in jail if I get cheated on.

I think it's normal. I think that people that suppress those types of emotions are doing just that, suppressing those emotions. You have to let them out somehow! It's only natural to feel upset if someone hurts you. I can't imagine having an "oh...he cheated? oh well, where's the next one" type of attitude.

 

[Old Timer]

So you think you can have your own child as well as an adopted child and TRULY love the adopted one equally? A biological parent would easily sacrifice their life to save their child. Would you die for your adopted child? That's the one thing holding me back from adopting children, because I want to have my own children too but I don't want to treat one child differently from the other.

The answer to your question is yes..... You will treat each child equally, but not identically.

 

[alenadoma]

This is all BULL****. You can have a great many urges. The difference between humans and animals is we can control ours. Just because you think you might like to f*** any woman you see does not mean you should act on those feelings. Nobody says you will never be attracted to another person. Your theories are not controversial, they are infantile.

I have been happily married to the same woman for 26 years. Just because I find a certain other female is attractive does not mean I will attempt to mate with her just to satisfy some animalistic urge. This is like the five year old who has to eat the candy. It's pure unadulterated crap. It's natural to look and it's natural to want to touch, but it's human to get a hold of yourself Think back to the wise man who 2000 years ago asked:



Ben Zoma didn't comment on physical strength or physical challenges, but chose to reflect on true strength as manifested by a person who is able to successfully battle the spiritual enemy within himself. Selfishness, jealousy, lust, and hatred are only a few of the internal evils that we battle consciously and unconsciously on a daily basis.

I completely agree. Yes, humans are animals, but animals lack moral reasoning! Humans do not, and should not lack moral reasoning.

 

[Kirbypuff]

This is all BULL****. You can have a great many urges. The difference between humans and animals is we can control ours. Just because you think you might like to f*** any woman you see does not mean you should act on those feelings. Nobody says you will never be attracted to another person. Your theories are not controversial, they are infantile.

I have been happily married to the same woman for 26 years. Just because I find a certain other female is attractive does not mean I will attempt to mate with her just to satisfy some animalistic urge. This is like the five year old who has to eat the candy. It's pure unadulterated crap. It's natural to look and it's natural to want to touch, but it's human to get a hold of yourself Think back to the wise man who 2000 years ago asked:

+10.
I actually thought about using the urge to crap in your pants but we shouldn't logic, but I refrained.

 

[rphello]

+10.
I actually thought about using the urge to crap in your pants but we shouldn't logic, but I refrained.

That's strange logic Kirbs. Sounds like something Richard Dawkins would say. Are you sure about the altar?

 

[SHC1984]

I think it's normal. I think that people that suppress those types of emotions are doing just that, suppressing those emotions. You have to let them out somehow! It's only natural to feel upset if someone hurts you. I can't imagine having an "oh...he cheated? oh well, where's the next one" type of attitude.

There is a difference between feeling hurt and losing control of yourself. I don't usually give someone 100% of my heart and I definetly don't give men control over me, so therefore its very hard for them to "ruin my life" b/c I don't give them that kind of control. Only I control me.

 

[Vicadin09]

There is a difference between feeling hurt and losing control of yourself. I don't usually give someone 100% of my heart and I definetly don't give men control over me, so therefore its very hard for them to "ruin my life" b/c I don't give them that kind of control. Only I control me.

Yeah BAby!

 

[rphello]

There is a difference between feeling hurt and losing control of yourself. I don't usually give someone 100% of my heart and I definetly don't give men control over me, so therefore its very hard for them to "ruin my life" b/c I don't give them that kind of control. Only I control me.

You've never met a man with a missing ear.

 

[Vicadin09]

You've never met a man with a missing ear.

I met Van Gogh.

 

[Kirbypuff]

That's strange logic Kirbs. Sounds like something Richard Dawkins would say. Are you sure about the altar?

Damnit VanGogue! You've convinced me to read one of his books. Which one do you recommend? 🙂 Am I going to think he's my soulmate? Cus I think at one point I thought Nabakov's soul was reincarnated in me. Not really though. But it felt like he stole my thoughts before I was born. Perhaps Dawkins is another one of my thought thieves. Do you think many many human beings share the same thoughts without ever meeting with or speaking to each other?

 

[rphello]

You already know the content of the books, so don't worry about reading them. Since he stole your thoughts before you were born, does that give you some of the publishing rights? You're going to be rich!

Yes, I do believe in a collective consciousness of sorts. You, Kirbakov, are an interesting character.

 

[Kirbypuff]

I think it's normal. I think that people that suppress those types of emotions are doing just that, suppressing those emotions. You have to let them out somehow! It's only natural to feel upset if someone hurts you. I can't imagine having an "oh...he cheated? oh well, where's the next one" type of attitude.

I completely agree. Yes, humans are animals, but animals lack moral reasoning! Humans do not, and should not lack moral reasoning.

agreement high five lol.

 

[Kirbypuff]

You already know the content of the books, so don't worry about reading them. Since he stole your thoughts before you were born, does that give you some of the publishing rights? You're going to be rich!

Yes, I do believe in a collective consciousness of sorts. You, Kirbakov, are an interesting character.

thank you vangogh <--apparently i've been spelling his name wrong.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

This is all BULL****. You can have a great many urges. The difference between humans and animals is we can control ours. Just because you think you might like to f*** any woman you see does not mean you should act on those feelings. Nobody says you will never be attracted to another person. Your theories are not controversial, they are infantile.

But if neither partner really cares...then why does it matter? It would only be "infantile" if I shared the same moral code as you...but I don't. When I step back and look at humanity...the drive to have sex controls way too damn much of what we do.

It's kinda like my theory of profanity. I think we should just make the use of all of profanities common place. I want to see Barney the purple dinosaur calling his child audience a bunch of little ****ers. Why? Because if using curse words was just normal...it wouldn't be taboo...and then there wouldn't be curse words. Having a handful of words you can't speak is just ******ed...so I encourage everyone to curse as much as possible. It's good for our language.

Sex is kinda like that in a way. We are so restrictive about it that I swear it ****s all of us up in the head...and for no real reason. It's nothing special. It's like eating and breathing. So to hell with it. I'm not saying we should have 80-member orgies at town square...I'm just saying that we could stand to have much more lax social mores about it all. That's all I'm saying. Marriages would be stronger and people would be happier...

 

[WVUPharm2007]

No, it does not prove that God exists, but it leaves room for his existence. Also, Fact, you can't truly prove anything in this world.

Sure. And perhaps my dishwasher is the lord and dictator of the universe. It makes roughly the same amount of sense.

And I'm pretty much making up the plurality thing as I go along. It's the only word I can think of that describes what I mean. I pathetically try to come up with my own ****. I could go around quoting arbitrary philosophers...but f' that...that's lame...

 

[Kirbypuff]

Sure. And perhaps my dishwasher is the lord and dictator of the universe. It makes roughly the same amount of sense.

Perhaps she is. 🙂

 

[Kirbypuff]

And I'm pretty much making up the plurality thing as I go along. It's the only word I can think of that describes what I mean. I pathetically try to come up with my own ****. I could go around quoting arbitrary philosophers...but f' that...that's lame...

Disappointment.

 

[rphello]

I pathetically try to come up with my own ****. I could go around quoting arbitrary philosophers...but f' that...that's lame...

I've read plenty of philosophy from all sorts of brilliant minds, and you're right, it's mostly lame navel gazing. By all means, make it up, it's much more entertaining.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Disappointment.

Would you rather me plagiarize other people?

 

[Vicadin09]

The is the ****** best thread ever!

 

[Kirbypuff]

Would you rather me plagiarize other people?

Obviously!

 

[Kirbypuff]

The is the ****** best thread ever!

You troll king. and you love it that I called you that.

 

[Vicadin09]

You troll king. and you love it that I called you that.

Well aren't you feisty!😀

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Obviously!

The hell is the point of that.

 

[ffpickle]

If you want to believe in a God, willfully suspend the use of all logic.

Don't rationalize an inherently irrational belief. I am starting to believe in God but but won't pretend that it can be supported by logic.

 

[WVURxGal]

Sure. And perhaps my dishwasher is the lord and dictator of the universe. It makes roughly the same amount of sense.

Perhaps she is. 🙂

Almost. I'm the lord and dictator of the universe with the exception of all things related to sleep.

That comment was totally awesome. I so hope that's the first thing he reads in the morning

 

[Farmercyst]

Almost. I'm the lord and dictator of the universe with the exception of all things related to sleep.

That comment was totally awesome. I so hope that's the first thing he reads in the morning

Impeccable timing. He should get a kick out of that. I wonder how many people in this thread have been here long enough to have known who you are before reading that post.

 

[Kirbypuff]

Almost. I'm the lord and dictator of the universe with the exception of all things related to sleep.

That comment was totally awesome. I so hope that's the first thing he reads in the morning

Helllooooo wifey! 🙂 This is exciting! I could kinda tell by the WVU and then farmercyst supported it and then reading your previous post confirmed it.


Damn I thought I was egotistical when I claimed the title of "coolest person on this side of the planet" but you went ahead claimed dictatorship of the whole universe... with the exception of all thing related to sleep?

Technically, if you do the most dishwashing in your house.......🙄

 

[Old Timer]

But if neither partner really cares...then why does it matter? It would only be "infantile" if I shared the same moral code as you...but I don't. When I step back and look at humanity...the drive to have sex controls way too damn much of what we do.

It's kinda like my theory of profanity. I think we should just make the use of all of profanities common place. I want to see Barney the purple dinosaur calling his child audience a bunch of little ****ers. Why? Because if using curse words was just normal...it wouldn't be taboo...and then there wouldn't be curse words. Having a handful of words you can't speak is just ******ed...so I encourage everyone to curse as much as possible. It's good for our language.

Sex is kinda like that in a way. We are so restrictive about it that I swear it ****s all of us up in the head...and for no real reason. It's nothing special. It's like eating and breathing. So to hell with it. I'm not saying we should have 80-member orgies at town square...I'm just saying that we could stand to have much more lax social mores about it all. That's all I'm saying. Marriages would be stronger and people would be happier...

Mikey:

We will just have to agree to disagree and I could not disagree more. You seem to think we should act like animals who eat what they want, when they want and how they want; who f*** when they want, how they want and where they want; sh*** where they want, when they want. I may have that in my nature, but what as a human being controlling (NOT suppressing) those impulses is what separates me from the beasts.
I may agree that some of our moral codes are too restrictive, I am not in favor of no moral codes. I don't believe in the lowest common denominator. What you really propose is anarchy.

I will agree that if two people agree that it is OK to sleep around, that's between them and is none of my business. I'm a pretty religious person, but that works for me and I don't believe it's my job to force my beliefs on anyone else. I also don't agree people would be happier. I would not be happier if I was sleeping around. I am not unhappy with the fact that I have slept with the same woman for 26 years. I am suffering not one wit because of it. I am actually very happy with the arrangement. My marriage has brought me more joy and happiness than I could ever achieve by having frequent mindless sex with strangers.

Another part of your argument that goes off the rails is the equation between morality and narcissism. If you were to poll psychiatrists in the 1960's the largest problem they faced was guilt. If you poll psychiatrists now the largest problem they face is narcissism. The reason is we are clearly, as a society, less religious. It's all about ME. That's sad.

And if you really want to know the essence of what religion is supposed to be about, I suggest you look into Ethical Monotheism. Which basically posits two things. There is a God and God demands of us ethical behavior. I don't care if you think your dishwasher is GOD, I care if you act ethically.

 

[tootoo30]

Damn, one question turned into a 12 page debate. Somebody can write a whole dissertation on What Year To Get Pregnant LOL

 

[Kirbypuff]

The hell is the point of that.

It means I'm tired, Kirby out.

 

[Kirbypuff]

If you want to believe in a God, willfully suspend the use of all logic.

Don't rationalize an inherently irrational belief. I am starting to believe in God but but won't pretend that it can be supported by logic.

Haha, so you're saying you're starting to believe in something irrational?

I don't know how smart you are, but don't you believe in quantum physics? Given that all matter are made of atoms (mostly empty space), apparently a tennis ball can penetrate through a wall at a certain time in space, and this has been mathematically proven (just ask an engineer who graduated from a prestigious university.) I certainly am not smart enough to compute a tennis ball penetrating a wall, but I believe it is perfectly logical and perfectly rational.

Also, granted that if science could open our eyes and open our minds to new discoveries beyond what we daily see and do today, I believe in a far future where scientists and most humans have heavily myelinated brains (faster computing capabilities) and longer lives that will give us ability to know God, if God will allow it. And we will understand the beginning (genesis) and I don't know if that will be the end, (or if the end will come before the day we know God.) I believe that we can eventually understand cells better, and understand cancer better, and I think ultimately, we will know God better. God being my (Time=Space)^2 a.k.a. the "life force" that separates the living and non-living and quite possibly the creator of the world as well (or not), what have you. We may not have it down in a mathematic formula yet, but God is what the future will discover.

If believing in quantum physics as a stupid person like myself is considerably rational, how is believing in God irrational? Given, we're still in the earliest years of science, dismissing people who believe in God is a bit like dismissing Copernicus (the heliocentrism dude) isn't it? We can fly, we can see the bottom of the ocean, we can send things to the moon and mars, why then, would you limit yourself from discovering God?

 

[rphello]

Kirbs, if you want to read about a topic more interesting than anything Rich Dawkins has produced, try this. As soon as one of these self-modifying AIs is created, we're in for a wild ride.

 

[SHC1984]

Haha, so you're saying you're starting to believe in something irrational?

I don't know how smart you are, but don't you believe in quantum physics? Given that all matter are made of atoms (mostly empty space), apparently a tennis ball can penetrate through a wall at a certain time in space, and this has been mathematically proven (just ask an engineer who graduated from a prestigious university.) I certainly am not smart enough to compute a tennis ball penetrating a wall, but I believe it is perfectly logical and perfectly rational.

Also, granted that if science could open our eyes and open our minds to new discoveries beyond what we daily see and do today, I believe in a far future where scientists and most humans have heavily myelinated brains (faster computing capabilities) and longer lives that will give us ability to know God, if God will allow it. And we will understand the beginning (genesis) and I don't know if that will be the end, (or if the end will come before the day we know God.) I believe that we can eventually understand cells better, and understand cancer better, and I think ultimately, we will know God better. God being my (Time=Space)^2 a.k.a. the "life force" that separates the living and non-living and quite possibly the creator of the world as well (or not), what have you. We may not have it down in a mathematic formula yet, but God is what the future will discover.

If believing in quantum physics as a stupid person like myself is considerably rational, how is believing in God irrational? Given, we're still in the earliest years of science, dismissing people who believe in God is a bit like dismissing Copernicus (the heliocentrism dude) isn't it? We can fly, we can see the bottom of the ocean, we can send things to the moon and mars, why then, would you limit yourself from discovering God?

I don't believe in God b/c I don't see him and there is absolutely NO scientific evidence that he exist. The only way I will believe in God is if I can meet him. LOL...seriously, I am not going to believe in something I can't see, hear or feel. It just makes no logical sense. I mean if someone was to tell me there is a ghost in my bedroom then fine, but where the hell is he??? SHOW me and I will believe it, but until then he is just made up. 🙄

 

[FarscapeGirl]

Science doesn't prove things. It disproves things.

So, kirbypuff, science can't prove that God exists. The most it can do is provide a lot of evidence that there most likely is a supernatural being. So far, that body of evidence does not exist even remotely.

 

[SHC1984]

Mikey:



The reason is we are clearly, as a society, less religious. It's all about ME. That's sad.

How are less religious people all about themselves? There are a lot of jerks that are religious. In fact they use this crap about God loves us all and will forgive us for everything. I mean I can do whatever I want, kill, steal, rap etc. as long as I ask for "forgiveness" God will forgive me right?

My point is religious people can be just as bad as non religious people and just because you are not religious doesn't mean you only care about yourself.

In fact the only difference between religious and non-religious people is this:
Religious people base everything on the bible and their "relationship" with God.
Non-religious people base everything on logic, proven scientific facts, science, and theories.

Thats the difference between them, it has nothing to do with who is better or worst.

 

[SHC1984]

So far, that body of evidence does not exist even remotely.

True, so how can anyone believe there is a God when there is no evidence? why don't people believe there are purple and pink flying elephants in Africa? Thats just as likely as the fact that there is a God. None of which as ever been seen, shown or proven of course.

 

[Farmercyst]

How are less religious people all about themselves? There are a lot of jerks that are religious. In fact they use this crap about God loves us all and will forgive us for everything. I mean I can do whatever I want, kill, steal, rap etc. as long as I ask for "forgiveness" God will forgive me right?

My point is religious people can be just as bad as non religious people and just because you are not religious doesn't mean you only care about yourself.

In fact the only difference between religious and non-religious people is this:
Religious people base everything on the bible and their "relationship" with God.
Non-religious people base everything on logic, proven scientific facts, science, and theories.

Thats the difference between them, it has nothing to do with who is better or worst.

I suppose OT's point was more aligned with Christian theology than most others. However most religions I'm familiar with do propose that service to others is one way to align one's self with God's favor and that self-denial is one way to control natural tendencies and become more like the deity to whom they show respect. Therefore someone who is devoutly religious would be more likely to look to other's welfare before his own.

That's not to say atheists and agnostics don't have a willingness or even desire to assist others, but if those who claim to be religious actually follow their religion's teachings, you'd see a higher proportion in of selfless people in the religious community than without.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

That's not to say atheists and agnostics don't have a willingness or even desire to assist others, but if those who claim to be religious actually follow their religion's teachings, you'd see a higher proportion in of selfless people in the religious community than without.

Every religious person lives a life of hypocrisy if their goal is being like the god of their choosing. What would jesus do...have his own child...or adopt a starving child from Africa. Get a 6-figure job as a pharmacist and live a financially secure life...or give the majority of your income to feed the starving in the third-world.

It's all pick and choose...and in the US where the majority practice Christianity, few are true Christians...actually, none are...just hypocrites that pick and choose which tenants of their religion they want to follow that week.

I like the stuff in Leviticus where you are supposed to stone people to death for arbitrary reasons. Like sleeping with a woman on her period (or something like that...)

 

[Kirbypuff]

Science doesn't prove things. It disproves things.

So, kirbypuff, science can't prove that God exists. The most it can do is provide a lot of evidence that there most likely is a supernatural being. So far, that body of evidence does not exist even remotely.

Well, of course, has a three year old ever taught herself calculus? Highly unlikely, because her brain lacks the capacity to understand all the steps of math she needs to learn prior to it. I'm saying, we're like 3 year olds, barely learning numbers and trying to understand God---like trying to understand calculus before learning addition, algebra, or trig.

Math is a science, and it does prove things. (Also, physics and certain chemistries) As far as we can comprehend today, most people will probably only foresee "lots of evidence that there is mostly likely a supernatural being." However, if in fact our human race on average could compute faster, and if we could remember things exponentially more than we do now, perhaps we will understand this holy noun that I call God. Maybe as far as evolution goes, we're still in the stage of a 3 year old and God is calculus. We need to become perhaps, 17-21 year olds. If we had the brains, we could prove God like math. I'm not sure if humans even have the potential to evolve into smarter beings that would comprehend God, but I won't limit the thought of it happening.