Which of these D.O. schools don't have mandatory attendance?

[drctother]

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Oh arguing on the interwebs... It's like running in quicksand, try as you might, you never get anywhere.

I know it's easy to do, but everyone on here will hold their original viewpoints and argue to the death to defend them, even when proven wrong.

I guess it could be beneficial, you know working on your debate skills... oh wait all people do is name call and use invalid forms of debate...

Well there has to be something that threads like this are useful for....

OH YEAH! Answering the OP's questions.

Don't get me wrong, I fall into this all the time, I love "debating" on the web but eh... even premeds fall into the anonymous web douchery and can't stand resorting to calling names, ignoring counterarguments posts, using emotions instead of logic, etc.

This was just a side note, carry on and I will keep on reading and giggling to myself over my waffles...

Agree. And waffles are delicious and highly under-rated. Just waiting for one more M1 or M2 to come on and say something, I have never got this much attention from others on an internet forum😛

To the OP: im not actually sorry (this is the internet), but I definitely should have chose my words more closely.

 

[csmittyB]

... but I definitely should have chose my words more closely.

I agree. I know for a fact I wont miss many classes, if I even miss any at all. WHy would you want to go to medical school but not want to go to the classes?!

What a waste of a spot when most people who WANT to be there should be there

I hope your attitude changes if you get accepted, other words you are not only wasting a spot but you are going to be incompetent when you reach rotations and screwed for the USMLE 1 or COMLEX 1

Hmm...claiming that medical school seats are wasted on people who don't attend lecture and that they will be screwed for USMLE/COMLEX and incompetent on rotations...yeah, you probably could have been phrased a little better.

First get into medical school. Then you can worry about lectures and those who attend vs those that don't.

 

[christine121]

soooo....which schools don't have mandatory attendance?? (or which school do?)

 

[denco88]

soooo....which schools don't have mandatory attendance?? (or which school do?)

yeah i think this was the original question that never got answered... also who records lectures and who doesn't?

 

[randomusername]

Do most professors at AZCOM record and post lectures? They told us on our interview it was up to them since all of their info is copyrighted.

There isn't any official lecture recording at AZCOM, however I have yet to hear of a prof not permit a student to record a lecture (basically the rule is the recording can only be used by yourself and your "study group") and every ppt is made available online.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

yeah i think this was the original question that never got answered... also who records lectures and who doesn't?

My question too. LOL

 

[seap3]

NSU - mandatory attendance (although usually not enforced??) / No recorded lectures

DMU - NO mandatory attendance / Recorded lectures & notepool

AZCOM - NO mandatory attendance (I think - nothing was mentioned about it) / NO recorded lectures

 

[IvyHopeful20]

Thankfully, I haven't interviewed at schools that have mandatory lectures or they don't record lectures.

If either were true (heaven forbid both were), I would immediately take it off my list and only go there if I did not get into any other school.

That's just me though.

 

[theone1979]

I already made my point. And for the sake of clarity, nearly everything that comes from your fingertips is wrong, hence: "dude, you have no idea what you're talking about."

I know you think your advice is coming from a place of great wisdom, but do you not find it the slightest bit curious that you have medical students - you know, people in the thick of it - telling you you're a ***** with awful advice? And rather than ponder that and learn something from it, you pigheadedly continue spouting off flaccid defenses of your position. A position, once again, that is so incorrect it's laughable.

What a frustrated angry little man you are. Unfortunately your anger apparently clouds your ability to comprehend the simplest of concepts (at least in this case).

How many times exactly do I need to explain that I am not arguing that attending classes is required for success in med school (or any school)? Again and again you make the OBVIOUS argument that it's possible and sometimes required to skip class to do well. I have no doubt that is true.

What I AM saying is that when some kid who has yet to take his first med school class already announces that he will not attend classes and hates attending classes, it says something about this applicant. At this point he has no idea how much or little he would get out of attending classes, but has already decided that he doesn't want to attend. This is not based on his knowledge that his time would be better spent studying (since there is no way he could know this yet), but simply on the fact that he "Hates class".

How about you just answer my question about if you were an adcom and in an interview he asks "is attendance mandatory, because I hate class". How would you respond? Tell me that this attitude would impress you.

Oh and let me just comment on your STELLAR skills in argument. So far you have resorted to:
1-Arguing agaisnt a point no one made
2-Ignoring legitimate questions
3-Name-calling

I guess when your argument has no substance you are left with little choice.
Anyhow, have a great life friend.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

yeah i think this was the original question that never got answered... also who records lectures and who doesn't?

No Mandatory Attendence:

PCOM (GA?)
DMU
AZCOM


Recorded Lectures:

PCOM (GA?)
DMU

 

[sideways]

You hate going to class? How exactly do you expect to become a quality physician without going to class? Do you think you can learn all you need from a textbook? If you really feel this way, med school isn't for you.

How many times exactly do I need to explain that I am not arguing that attending classes is required for success in med school (or any school)? Again and again you make the OBVIOUS argument that it's possible and sometimes required to skip class to do well. . .

Oh and let me just comment on your STELLAR skills in argument. . .

I guess when your argument has no substance you are left with little choice.

 

[christine121]

hehehe I like that kid

 

[randomusername]

hehehe I like that kid

Too bad he's dead now. 🙁

 

[IamaBanana]

Too bad he's dead now. 🙁

too soon dude, too soon

 

[p30doc]

NSU - mandatory attendance (although usually not enforced??) / No recorded lectures

False, 70% attendance (not enforced), also lectures are most certainly recorded and available online, some professors don't allow their lecture to be recorded but most do. I watched 8 hours of lecture today (at 2x speed).

 

[PunkmedGirl]

No Mandatory Attendence:

PCOM (GA?)
DMU
AZCOM
NSU (70% mandatory but not enforced)

Recorded Lectures:

PCOM (GA?)
DMU
NSU (most lectures)

 

[seap3]

False, 70% attendance (not enforced), also lectures are most certainly recorded and available online, some professors don't allow their lecture to be recorded but most do. I watched 8 hours of lecture today (at 2x speed).

Ok, I stand corrected about the recorded lectures. When I was there the students told me there were no recorded lectures due to copyright issues.

And as for the 70% attendance, that is still mandatory attendance. The dean made a HUGE deal about it when he spoke with us. He brought up a story of a patient he treated with a very rare disease. If he hadn't been at one lecture and heard a couple sentences about it's presentation, he wouldn't have been able to make the right dx and she would have died (although recorded lectures could have solved that problem).

So even if they are not currently enforcing it, there may come a time when they do. It's probably best to know the expectations of a school in advance.

 

[sideways]

The dean made a HUGE deal about it when he spoke with us. He brought up a story of a patient he treated with a very rare disease. If he hadn't been at one lecture and heard a couple sentences about it's presentation, he wouldn't have been able to make the right dx and she would have died.

I don't have the vocabulary to emphasize with enough fervor how ridiculous this is.

 

[Lewist02]

Dr & Theone -

First, you should accept that not every student will share the same learning style and achieve the same level of success. During the first lecture at PCOM, the head of the SPOM course (Structural Principles of Osteopathic Medicine - Gross, Histo, Development, Radiology) will ask those people who never attended class in undergrad to raise their hand. He will then tell them that you do not fix something that is not broken and tell them to leave. Does this mean these students sleep in until 11am and do nothing while other students are in the lecture hall? No - these students are usually at the library from 8-4 studying the same material the students in lecture are learning. If you attend a credible institution, you should be told early on to figure out the learning style that will give you the best chance at success in the medical field. It is not a "waste" of anything for a student to give themselves the best chance at success, even if that means not sitting in lecture. A student's candidacy for medical school admission is based off of application and interview, not whether or not they attended class in undergrad. I wouldn't make any generalizations about what should be acceptable behavior until you begin medical school and experience it for yourself.

Second, to address previous catty responses: Fortunately something termed "competencies" is taught while in medical school to allow for a certain degree of professionalism to be obtained at all times. Although you may not agree with another's opinions or behaviors, there is a certain way you go about relaying your own opinions. Labeling another person, who may end up being your colleague, as a snob is not professional behavior by any means. I encourage you both to find a more professional means of relaying your thoughts.

It is very fortunate that some medical institutions allow for flexibility when it comes to learning styles. The main focus is producing well-rounded, competent physicians. You would do well to encourage others around you to achieve success by using their personal learning style and not criticize those who differ from the norm. Someday you will find these individuals in other specialities, and you may need to call on them for opinions for your patient.

 

[Lewist02]

PCOM:

Class is optional.
Labs are mandatory.
Lectures are recorded using tegrity (regardless of class attendance.).
Scribe-notes service is available for about $150/yr.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Second, to address previous catty responses: Fortunately something termed "competencies" is taught while in medical school to allow for a certain degree of professionalism to be obtained at all times. Although you may not agree with another's opinions or behaviors, there is a certain way you go about relaying your own opinions. Labeling another person, who may end up being your colleague, as a snob is not professional behavior by any means. I encourage you both to find a more professional means of relaying your thoughts.

I wasn't being professional??????😱

 

[sideways]

I wasn't being professional??????😱

While Lewist has come to the correct attendance conclusion, he's done so with a stick in his ass.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

While Lewist has come to the correct attendance conclusion, he's done so with a stick in his ass.

I see.🙂

 

[Lewist02]

I wasn't being professional??????😱

Oh, no I wasn't directing anything towards your responses. I was referring to someone referring to you as a snob. I don't find that to be mature or professional.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Oh, no I wasn't directing anything towards your responses. I was referring to someone referring to you as a snob. I don't find that to be mature or professional.

LOL, okay. 😀

 

[DarkLordofSith]

False, 70% attendance (not enforced), also lectures are most certainly recorded and available online, some professors don't allow their lecture to be recorded but most do. I watched 8 hours of lecture today (at 2x speed).

I'm an M1 at NSU and I think the recorded lectures thing is true for M2's. M1's have almost nothing recorded because the lecturers have a stick up their butt about their material being copyrighted. It's a complete joke that we don't have a script service/recorded lectures. I talked to Dean Silvagni about it and he said they were working on it, but that does this year's M1's no good.

If I'm wrong redrumi, I would definitely appreciate a link to the lecture site 😀

 

[JamesLMT]

to address previous catty responses: Fortunately something termed "competencies" is taught while in medical school to allow for a certain degree of professionalism to be obtained at all times. Although you may not agree with another's opinions or behaviors, there is a certain way you go about relaying your own opinions. Labeling another person, who may end up being your colleague, as a snob is not professional behavior by any means. I encourage you both to find a more professional means of relaying your thoughts.

Have you read the forums lately? LOL. I think you should go check on the other threads and post this advice!

 

[p30doc]

I'm an M1 at NSU and I think the recorded lectures thing is true for M2's. M1's have almost nothing recorded because the lecturers have a stick up their butt about their material being copyrighted. It's a complete joke that we don't have a script service/recorded lectures. I talked to Dean Silvagni about it and he said they were working on it, but that does this year's M1's no good.

If I'm wrong redrumi, I would definitely appreciate a link to the lecture site 😀

Ahh that sucks. M2s have noteservice, which copies down everything the professor says + almost every lecture recorded on tegrity. Plus they give us all the notes for the block at the very beginning of the block. All of this makes lecture attendance highly optional. We didn't have noteservice as M1s and the recordings were a bit more spotty but still existed.

 

[IMDoc607]

Honestly, it's infuriating that you will be competing for the limited number of D.O. seats with an attitude like that. You hate going to class? How exactly do you expect to become a quality physician without going to class? Do you think you can learn all you need from a textbook? If you really feel this way, med school isn't for you.

I never went to class as a medical student and I am doing quite well as a resident.

Get off the soapbox

 

[IMDoc607]

One of the easiest things in the world to do is refute an argument that was never made in the first place.

You did a great job at setting up some extreme scenario in which it would obviously make sense to skip a class and study instead.....but no one was making an argument against that.

What I was stating was that med school just might not be the best choice for someone who, before having attended his first class, announces that he "hates going to class".

It's not as though this guy is in school and is talking about some worthless prof who provides no insight into the coursework, he is announcing that he fundamentally has a problem (hates actually), going to class.
But hey, Im just a pre-med, maybe hating the whole concept of "class" isn't an issue in med school.

Who are you to make this judgment? I agree with the rest of the medical students. I remember when I was a student, I would have a huge binder of notes to study and I learned better by studying without going to class. I did start medical school by going to class but I quickly learned it wasn't for me.

 

[theone1979]

Who are you to make this judgment? I agree with the rest of the medical students. I remember when I was a student, I would have a huge binder of notes to study and I learned better by studying without going to class. I did start medical school by going to class but I quickly learned it wasn't for me.

Umm yes, but dont you see the difference here? You actually attended med school, experienced it, and realized that your time would be better spent studying on your own (in your personal case). The OP has no such experience, and just claims he "hates class". Someone who has made this choice before having knowledge about whether or not it would be beneficial to him is basing his decision on what?

I am going to stay out of this thread. It isn't going anywhere.

 

[TriagePreMed]

Umm yes, but dont you see the difference here? You actually attended med school, experienced it, and realized that your time would be better spent studying on your own (in your personal case). The OP has no such experience, and just claims he "hates class". Someone who has made this choice before having knowledge about whether or not it would be beneficial to him is basing his decision on what?

I am going to stay out of this thread. It isn't going anywhere.

Your counter-argument is weak at best, desperate most likely. The OP doesn't have to experience anything to want to be a part of an environment which will let her have the option of quitting class later on.

 

[drctother]

No Mandatory Attendence:

PCOM (GA?)
DMU
AZCOM
NSU (70% mandatory but not enforced)

Recorded Lectures:

PCOM (GA?)
DMU
NSU (most lectures)

Can anyone from AZCOM clarify whether or not you can record? One person said they dont care, and another said you cant

 

[drctother]

Dr & Theone -

First, you should accept that not every student will share the same learning style and achieve the same level of success. During the first lecture at PCOM, the head of the SPOM course (Structural Principles of Osteopathic Medicine - Gross, Histo, Development, Radiology) will ask those people who never attended class in undergrad to raise their hand. He will then tell them that you do not fix something that is not broken and tell them to leave. Does this mean these students sleep in until 11am and do nothing while other students are in the lecture hall? No - these students are usually at the library from 8-4 studying the same material the students in lecture are learning. If you attend a credible institution, you should be told early on to figure out the learning style that will give you the best chance at success in the medical field. It is not a "waste" of anything for a student to give themselves the best chance at success, even if that means not sitting in lecture. A student's candidacy for medical school admission is based off of application and interview, not whether or not they attended class in undergrad. I wouldn't make any generalizations about what should be acceptable behavior until you begin medical school and experience it for yourself.

Second, to address previous catty responses: Fortunately something termed "competencies" is taught while in medical school to allow for a certain degree of professionalism to be obtained at all times. Although you may not agree with another's opinions or behaviors, there is a certain way you go about relaying your own opinions. Labeling another person, who may end up being your colleague, as a snob is not professional behavior by any means. I encourage you both to find a more professional means of relaying your thoughts.

It is very fortunate that some medical institutions allow for flexibility when it comes to learning styles. The main focus is producing well-rounded, competent physicians. You would do well to encourage others around you to achieve success by using their personal learning style and not criticize those who differ from the norm. Someday you will find these individuals in other specialities, and you may need to call on them for opinions for your patient.

I respect the way you responded to me and TheOne, thank u

 

[randomusername]

Can anyone from AZCOM clarify whether or not you can record? One person said they dont care, and another said you cant

Again, AZCOM doesn't have official lecture recordings (but all lectures are made available in .pdf or .ppt) but students can record lectures for their own usage and that of any study-group they're a part of assuming they have instructor approval (and again, I've yet to hear of an instructor denying a student).

 

[patel2]

One of the easiest things in the world to do is refute an argument that was never made in the first place.

You did a great job at setting up some extreme scenario in which it would obviously make sense to skip a class and study instead.....but no one was making an argument against that.

What I was stating was that med school just might not be the best choice for someone who, before having attended his first class, announces that he "hates going to class".

It's not as though this guy is in school and is talking about some worthless prof who provides no insight into the coursework, he is announcing that he fundamentally has a problem (hates actually), going to class.
But hey, Im just a pre-med, maybe hating the whole concept of "class" isn't an issue in med school.

To clarify my original post... you are right that I inherently HATE going to class...always have from high school to college and so attendance policies are very relevant to the selection of a school (assuming I get into more than one school and have a choice.) So, I guess I do fall "into an extreme" according to your definition.

I guess I fail to see what is wrong with that. I am braindead in the classroom setting and can learn much better by studying in the library on my own, with the chance to take breaks, walk around, eat a snack, and not listen to some mediocre professor teach things at a slower rate than I could learn it on my own. I prefer to have more hours in the day to do other things, and will gain infinitely more from 6 hours of studying by myself as opposed to 6 hours of sitting in a classroom where I will learn nothing. It has nothing to do with being unmotivated or lazy.

I'm completely baffled that you and that other poster find something wrong with this, when it is a very legitimate question to ascertain the "fit" of certain schools, for me and many people on here.

edit: in fairness it looks you have come around, but I will keep this just to clarify what I meant.

 

[CookDeRosa]

wow...i dont go to any of my med school classes at all but yet I still score in the top top 25% of class...class is over rated.

+1
I clepped out of many of my undergrad gen eds- why? Because I think it's a waste of 49.5 hours plus driving to sit and listen to someone lecture to me 3x/week for 16 weeks what I can learn it on my own in 2 weekends.

I don't see the OP's question as a waste of a seat; far from it! I think it's hilarious that there is some increased value of material because it's been filtered through someone else's mouth. If you need the help, guidance, and hand holding of a teacher- then by all means....but it's odd to jump on the guy whose smart enough to learn it on his own.

 

[IvyHopeful20]

Seriously. If you have a choice, eliminate schools with mandatory attendance first. You can still go if you want but it's nice having the option not to if you find you do better when you stay home.

 

[christina30]

Since no one has addressed NYCOM for the OP, here goes 🙂

NYCOM does have a mandatory attendance policy, but it's not enforced. With a class of almost 300, it's kind of impossible for them to keep track of everyone. There are a bunch of people I know who don't attend lecture (I personally attend most lectures, but it all depends on you and how you learn best.)

Despite the attendance policy, NYCOM records all of the lectures and they can be played back at 2x speed, slowed down, etc. They usually threaten to stop streaming lectures if people don't show up to class, but they haven't actually done it.

And if you're more of a PBL kind of person, NYCOM also has an optional PBL curriculum that takes about 50 students per year.

So really, I wouldn't write NYCOM off based on it's attendance policy - there's more than one way around it. haha

 

[windycitydoc920]

Can anybody inform me about CCOM's policies. Do they have mandatory attendance and/or do they record their lectures? Any input would be appreciated.

 

[ronaldo23]

why does it seem to be a general trend that D.O. schools tend to have many more schools with mandatory attendance policies compared with M.D. schools?

Do you guys think that schools that are adamant about mandatory attendance (and enforcement) tend to have worse administrations? It seems that explaining to a school why mandatory attendance is insane requires no more than a 2 minute rational conversation, and if a school is still unwilling to treat students like an adult in this area, I imagine the schools BS will carry over into other areas as well.

 

[christina30]

why does it seem to be a general trend that D.O. schools tend to have many more schools with mandatory attendance policies compared with M.D. schools?

Do you guys think that schools that are adamant about mandatory attendance (and enforcement) tend to have worse administrations? It seems that explaining to a school why mandatory attendance is insane requires no more than a 2 minute rational conversation, and if a school is still unwilling to treat students like an adult in this area, I imagine the schools BS will carry over into other areas as well.

Well it probably seems like a lot more, but you're talking about a group of 26 DO schools vs. over 100 MD schools.

 

[Dr Tickles]

Just have to create a clone of myself... and then I'll be set.

 

[melissaliss]

Touro-NV does not have mandatory attendance, except for labs and a few special classes here and there. I go to class everyday, but I fully expect the fact that some people don't benefit from lectures much.

 

[gocatgo]

Ahh that sucks. M2s have noteservice, which copies down everything the professor says + almost every lecture recorded on tegrity. Plus they give us all the notes for the block at the very beginning of the block. All of this makes lecture attendance highly optional. We didn't have noteservice as M1s and the recordings were a bit more spotty but still existed.

Yup, M1s get complete lecture packets for most of the classes (although for biochem, it's very scattered.), ranging from very complete/thorough (i.e. you don't need a textbook at all) to 'what the hell is this crap'. I really wish all lectures were recorded for M1 classes. Note-taking service would be nice too. only OPP is on Tegrity as of this time.
Some profs throw in stuff that's not in our notes so it pushes us to attend lectures. It can be stressful (for me that is) to try to attend lectures during a week when there are like 4 exams going on. Ugh.
I heard the M2's had a 200 question exam on monday--hope you guys did well

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Touro-NV does not have mandatory attendance, except for labs and a few special classes here and there. I go to class everyday, but I fully expect the fact that some people don't benefit from lectures much.

Really?? Wow, I was under the impression that the did have mandatory attendence which is why Touro kinda slipped down to my #5 school. LOL Thanks!! I learn something new everyday!!😀

 

[ronaldo23]

Really?? Wow, I was under the impression that the did have mandatory attendence which is why Touro kinda slipped down to my #5 school. LOL Thanks!! I learn something new everyday!!😀

While Touro may not have mandatory attendance at NV, from SDN posts and threads, almost everything else seems to be wrong with that entire school system.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

While Touro may not have mandatory attendance at NV, from SDN posts and threads, almost everything else seems to be wrong with that entire school system.

There have been problems with the other two Touro's, but NV for the most part has been on the up and up when compared against the other two. I used to be a naysayer about NV but I've researched this school as much as I could and its not as bad as the others.