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Why are there so few podiatry schools?

Discussion in 'Pre-Podiatry Students' started by Fetus22, Aug 5, 2006.

  1. Fetus22

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    I am wondering why there are so few podiatry schools. Is there not a big demand for podiatrists? Are physicians like orthopaedics capable of treating most foot problems, thereby reducing the need for larger number of podiatrists? It seems like with there being only 8 podiatry schools in the States, that being accepted by a podiatry school would be even tougher than getting in to medical school. It also seems like there should be at least 2 podiatry schools in the southeast (Northern Florida, Georgia, Carolinas, Tenn, Alabama, Miss.). Most southern students are not going to want to go to Des Moines or Philly or Cleveland or NYC to attend college.
     
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    There are 125 MD programs and about 20 DO programs. If you took that 145 schools and broke them into specialties similar to podiatry (opthalmology school, family practice, pulmonology, ENT, ect), the numbers would be similar. Therefore, don't let the number of schools fool you into thinking that podiatry is any less important or needed.

    As for orthopedics, yes there is overlap. There are Foot and ankle orthopods that treat similar conditions. The main differences is a F&A is better trained in all bone and joint problems of the body except the foot and ankle. They general receive 1 to 1 1/2 years of training in the foot and ankle, while a podiatrist receives 2-3 in residency (you obviously receive 2-2 1/2 years of training while in school). Pods are better trained in the area of the foot and ankle. Many pods work in orthopedic practices. The only limitation that hurts pods when competing w/ a F&A fellow is we cannot take general call b/c we are not qualified to work outside of the foot and ankle.

    As for the location, Barry is the school in the SE. If you are not willing to move, then that is your choice. I personally feel that moving for 4 years is worth a 40 years career. If you are not willing to make that sacrifice then you need to think whether podiatry is for you. You might end up in a different part of the US during residency also. There is no guarantee at anytime during your training, there is only opportunity.
     
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    That is a very good point that you bring up feelgood. I have been quite rigid on my choice because i'm bent on remaining on the west coast. I havent quite made the decision of whether or not to go east. I don't think i would. Should I be taken less seriously? I like to think that my choice of living is equally important to the education I'm recieving. I used to think that it doesn't matter, because the rigorous curriculum and time commits. So who cares, right? Well I've changed that attitude because I dont want to see myself unhappy somewhere. who knows?
     
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    The quality of your education and training will ultimately determine where you will be able to end up. Superior education and training will allow you to end up wherever you want because you will be in demand. Mediocre training will limit your options.

    Your choice of living is important but remember, school is only a small portion of your life. If you want to end up on the west coast, go wherever you need to go to get the best training possible and then return to the west coast.
     
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    I agree and disagree w/ my man Jon here. The best training is definitely important but so is your effort. We have discussed many times that anywhere will give your the opportunity to succeed but no just need to work harder in other programs. Your success will be a testament to your determination.

    I think Jon would agree but many times success is found in the same location w/ like-minded self motivate people.
     
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    Spoken by a true cowbell musician. I think I just wiped a tear from my eye.
     
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    In theory, I agree. Especially when you are talking about Pod schools. However, when it comes to residency, there is a definite difference in level of training and opportunity amongst programs. Going through my 4th year, I've been shocked at how different programs are. And as hard as you work at some programs (though you will get OK training), you will never get the opportunities that are offered you at other programs. And in my opinion, residency is the time to chose training over location.
     
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    Hey you forget that orthopedic surgeons are real doctors that also have 5-6 years of surgical training (on feet and whole body) before they do the 1.5 year fellowship.. that makes about 6-8 years of post graduate training compared to your 2-3.. Oh and i would much rather have a real doctor who knows about the whole body doing surgery on me, i don't care if it's my foot or my hand. I have no idea why pods even exist when you have much higher trained orthopedic surgeons.. Well maybe you are here for people that want cheaper care for their foot in exchange for higher risk.

    GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF YOU!!
     
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    I love this post. I don't know why you exist and then good luck to all of you.

    Ignorance is such a funny thing. If you can read, pick up Foot and Ankle International. It is a common theme in the magazine the training in the area of the foot and ankle is lacking. A great article is "Foot and ankle experience in orthopedic residency." July 2003. Over 60% of the orthopods spent less than 3 months doing foot and ankle training. Here was the conclusion "A large number of residency programs do not have a faculty member committed to foot and ankle education, and almost one-third have no time specifically allocated to foot and ankle education."

    Good luck to you too my ignorant friend.
     
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    Why don't you look at the training pod students and residents get before writing about something you obviously know nothing about.
     
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    Idiot!!!
     
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    Oh man, you just shattered my dreams - I don't get to treat or do surgery on your feet? Wow, I guess its never too late to get a refund for the rest of my semester - whats the point of going to school, if I can't perform surgery on YOUR feet.

    Thanks for the advice, and good luck wishes but here's a bit of advice of my own - take it for what its worth. I'm not going to post about defending podiatry or anything like that because I really don't need to. If you want to know about our training and education, you can refer to this link:

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=284170

    Judging by your name, I take it that you are a first year DO student, so you will encounter evidence based medicine in some form or another when you read articles and conduct research probably. My advice to you is to read and equip yourself with knowledge before formulating an opinion - I'm sure you're an intelligent person, but when you post about a subject that you clearly know nothing about, it perceives you as ignorant and uneducated, which I'm sure is not the case.

    I'm telling you this not just because of your ignorant attack on my profession but for your own sake too as you will be working with other physicians and health care members and administrators. Try passing some random uneducated facts at them, and they will have a field day with you.

    Good luck to you in DO school :luck:
     
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    Well Said :thumbup:
     
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    Dude dont live in a conservative set of mind that only who goes to medical school is capable of doing things.bcoz one day u might be doing a surgery and u will find ur self working with a CRNA (nurse anestitist) and i dont think u will be able to take that shock of working with a nurse who is acting as an anesthisiologist. or u might find urself with a Nurse practioner in michigan with his own practice acting as if he is a family practioner. So if u really question abt existance and crap then first question abt the existance of Nurse Practioners, CRNA, PAs, etc and there increasing autonomy in scope of practice. and if u r a DO student u might also wonder what shud be ur ideal scope of practice if u really joined the DO school just to practice Osteopathy and nothing more than that.

    do some research next time bfore typing here.
     
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    Actually cool_vkb, here in the United States, Doctors of Osteopathy are trained in all aspects of medicine just like MD's with the addition of their Osteopathic Manipulative Medicine. Many choose to practice family and internal medicine but as a DO, you are qualified to apply for residencies traditionally available for Allopathic like Surgery, Urology, etc.

    I appreciate your enthusiasm but it is unnecessary to attack Osteopathic Medicine or any other branch of medicine for that matter because this is a professional forum to exchange ideas between professionals and future colleagues.

    Best of luck with your applications
     
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    dear podman, but shud agree with me on this, what does Osteopathy means and in relation to that what exactly a DO is supposed to do. now thats a different thing that they are trained in all aspects of medicine. but if a DO does urology or surgery i would really doubt his intention of bcoming a DO. u shud think honestly and say. why shud they go to urology or surgery. tahts not a DO is supposed to do theoratically, they are osteopaths and technically its not their job. they even have Osteopathy internships and residencies. if a DO has joined a DO school with true interest in osteopathy then i guess he shud join something in which he will be able to make use his osteopathy skills. but still if a DO is leaving that and doing a residency in regualar allopathy i wud believe he just used DO school as an alternative.

    i never bother people but when do go out of their line i think it is necessary to make them realize what they are saying. this guy is doing DO, he has no business to simply type whatever he wants abt podiatry. we are prospective students we dont want any discouragement at this time of year and that too from a person who is not even in Podiatry. i know its bad that i attacked others profession but he has no right to type some crap. these are forums and i guess he shud bhave responsibly and so shud i. iam sorry:D
     
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    I don't care what "osteopathy" means in your book but as far as the law is concerned, they are physicians and have the training to be urologists, surgeons, cardiologists, etc. So, I really don't see your point and to be quite frank it is irrelevant. I've worked with DO's before and they are just as competent, so your arguments have no basis. Podiatry, historically speaking, did not involve any surgery - but it has evolved and is continuing to evolove into a surgical-supspecialty - so what is the big deal?

    I'm not "forcing" you to "behave" but I am merely asking you to respect this forum as a colleague. So if people "go out of line", I would highly recommend using the "report" button on the left column of each post and/or put some thought and facts in your responses rather than attacking an entire profession.
     
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    Tucomnvms1 has shown himself to pretty much be a jerk, no matter what forum he posts in. He is in no way representative of most DO students. That said, you have done little more than show your own ignorance of the osteopathic profession.

    Osteopathic medicine came to pass when AT still lost three of his children to meningitis in a 48 hour time span. A fourth died two weeks later of pneumonia. He was an MD, but all of his allopathic training couldn't save his children. In fact, there was little scientific basis for the methods that were being used at the time. MDs were giving people mercury, arsenic and worse, thinking that it was helping people. In effect, they were killing them. So, he went on a journey to find alternative methods that would work. He even spent time living among the Shawnee indians because he was willing to do anything possible to avert tragedies similar to his own.

    One of the four main tenets of osteopathy that he developed was that "rational treatments...are to include all scientifically proven therapies." Today's osteopathic residencies don't rely solely on OMM. It's far from that. DO residencies are found in EM, Surgery, Ortho, Rads, Peds, etc.-- pretty much everything that the allopaths do. Unfortunately, osteopathy's growth has outpaced the number of residencies it has to offer. There are simply not enough DO residencies for all the DO grads. In 1970, the sixth osteopathic school was opened in Michigan. At that time, DOs made up 1.6% of the total number of physicians and only 1.5% of the first-year medical students. Currently there are 25 DO schools and even more planned. Last year, DOs made up 6.02% of the practicing physicians, but 21% of the first-year medical students-- a number that will continue to rise.

    OMM is still a very important part of the curriculum, but only a small part. Why? Because it is just a single tool that a physician can use in his or her examination and subsequent treatment of patients. Remember, ALL "scientifically proven treatments" are a part of the DOs arsenal, be they medical, surgical, or behavioral.

    I'll be the first to agree that pods receive way better traing in the foot and leg than either MDs or DOs. We covered all of lower limb anatomy in two days. I find that to be greatly lacking, but there just isn't the time to go into detail with every single body part. That's why pods are both necessary and a vital part of the healthcare team.

    One last note-- medicine is a viscious career at times. You will encounter a whole lot of people who will denigrate you for no reason at all. It is encumbent upon you to grow a thicker skin, so as not to retaliate blindly every time someone attacks you. We are all part of the healthcare team and we need to try to get along. Forget those few idiots who show up and badmouth you. Ignore them and they'll go away. Best of Luck!
     
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    i guess u r right. thanks for correcting me. i always get hypertensive. thank u. i edited my previous post.
     
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    Sorry for the previous post
     
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    DMU and AZPOD are integrated with DO programs. They are our BOYZ :thumbup:
     
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    Not only that, but AZCOM is a much better DO school than TUCOM. Guess what? As an AZPOD student, I take the exact same classes as the AZCOM DO students, sitting right next to them. So, before the TUCOM guy starts his rambling again, he ought to find a cure for his cranial rectal inversion syndrome.:laugh: (Maybe then he'll be a "real" doctor):cool:

    AZPOD Rocks
     
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    May I suggest more cowbell as a possible solution? Or possibly a taco from Taco Towne?

    AZPOD Rocks
     
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    Hey sorry DPM's, I just wanted to see how you all would react. Wow, you were all very pissed!.. If you look in the DO forums you will see that some people question who we are as well. I wanted to compare your reactions with ours. I think you are more intense than we are. Anyway, my mom and sister have both gone to DPMs for foot surgery and it all turned out fine.. Hey one of our best students (a 3rd year) was a DPM student for 2 years at Chicago med. Oh and to you people who say that DOs aren't real doctors? Think before you speak because we are PHYSICIANS AND SURGEONS of all sorts! Ok good luck in your studies everyone!

    -D
     
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    Oh and Hey ASSPOD, you have no idea what kind of school tucom is.. TUCOM is one of the highest board scoring DO schools and has the BEST MATCH LIST OF ANY DO SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY! Not to mention we are affiliated with a huge level 1 trauma center, and one of the best surgical research facilities in the country, etc... Why don't you come pay a visit to my school asspod, i'll show you around!
     
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    Hey guys try keeping the threads at least semi-professional, since professional behavior is expected in ALL aspects of healthcare and does reflect the character of an individual.
     
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    I agree we need to keep it on the up and up. Besides we may need OMM to cure our colon cancer and diarrhea. Plus all DOs wanted to be MDs but couldn't get the grades the same is not true for DPMs.

    TUCO, I would suggest going and starting arguments for no reason. Remember I could go to you mama's house and start a small fire in her panties.
     
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    Hmmm...Im not sure I understand the rationale here.
     
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    OH really?? THATS FUNNY BECAUSE DPM SCHOOLS average an MCAT of 20!!! You guys are at DPM schools because you couldn't even get into carribean medical schools! And if you had half a brain you would not talk about someting you know nothing about! Just give me the time of day man, i'd love to go outside and see if we can't figure this thing out! Seriously, let's meet up somewhere so I can break your face.
     
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    seriously - do not take feelgood seriously. he is usually being sarcastic which you would know if you were a pod student.

    since you are not a pod student please go back to under the rock you crawled out from.
     
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    I would just like to post a reminder that it is a TOS violation go post in a forum to deride that forum's members.
     
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    I'd have to say that after your last post, you win the battle of the reactions! :laugh:
     
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    Are you kidding me?? Your gonna be a friggin foot doc... pathetic.
    What? you couldn't get into a real medical school?
     
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    If you are seriously a med student, how did you get past the admissions committee to even get accepted and how long will you last in school with this attitude and these antics? You do realize that you're exhibitng juvenile behavior don't you, and even more so -- why are you in this forum if you are not trying to get banned or start trouble? Don't you think you should act your age considering you're going to care for patients someday (that's if you don't get dismissed for unprofessional reasons somewhere along the line). Wouldn't you cringe if you read posts like yours here, if you were judging a potential student applying for ANY type medicine/healthcare career?
     
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    Hey TUCOMMI, two words, INFERIORITY COMPLEX, your just another M.D. wannabe who will never be good enough for themselves and in return all of their future patients and professional peers. Good luck on your life full of disappointments and mediocrity. You are the weakest link, Goodbye.
     
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    I would advise you to mature up a bit before ever considering yourself to become a respectable doctor of any sort. It is obvious that you are a first year student who thinks they are special to be in a medical school. However, what are your reasons to pursue medicine? And what do you know about vast field of Podiatric Medicine to call it "pathetic"? Do you even realize how many diseases and conditions that DPM's have to deal with?

    From your reactions to the previous posts, I think your attitude is pathetic and you need to learn a few more lessons in life before you can even imagine yourself becoming a doctor.
     
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    i really dont understand why is the moderator not banning this guy TUCO. he is acting on my nerves. good for nothing fellow. are we some research rats here that he wanted to see our reaction. moderators plzz ban this moron atleast in this Podiatry forum.
     
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    NO. moderators please ban half of these "pod" students.. i simply started out by saying that orthopedic surgeons are better than you all and everyone started crying.. YOU ALL HAVE THE INFERIORITY COMPLEX WISHING YOU WERE ALL ORTHOPODS.. You guys are pathetic and i will be more respected then all of you and make tons more money than all of you so I get the last laugh you pathetic pods.
     
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    Respect isn't given in medicine -- it's EARNED. That said, you're a long way from respect because you have no idea how to earn it from what you've said thus far. It takes a whole lot more than a classroom to derive that respect in the real world. If you really act this way, you're really nowhere near ready to be in high school let alone med school.

    Since you don't really deserve any replies anyway, because it's not really important what you say, I won't bother to further address the nonsense your babbling about. You come on here and start problems then wonder why you are treated as such. Since you're an obvious troll, there's really no need for anyone to respond further. There's no way in hell you'll make it though with this much immaturity. It doesn't matter what ortho's, ob/gyn's, grocery clerks or even trashmen make. You probably can't hold any of these jobs in real life.

    So, do your best in the classroom because if you get to rotations and still act this way, someone will recognize your lack of professionalism. It may be a joke on here but it's serious business to an attending with the responsibilty of evaluating potential future physicians.

    Best of luck passing your boards, if you even are in school long enough to get that far. I'm wondering how long it'll be before you're tossed out of the profession (if you're even really IN the school). Anyway keep chatting with yourself from now on, it's most amusing and you're not really as novel around here as you may think you are.

    Have you ever had a psych eval done on yourself? You may be shocked to see what personality disorder might be revealed. It's obvious you've got major problems, just from your posts on here and the inconsistencies they're laden with.
     
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    This guy is great. He reminds me of the Vietnamese guy that said he wanted to be a pod for like 3 months and then wanted to be DO. But I admit I do have an inferiority complex, I've always wanted to be a Transformer. Man Optimus Prime is freakin awesome. I think that the Optimus or Soundwave are the best.

    (I might as well start a real debate since this ball-licker seems to linger like a bad fart)
     
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    One more thing, I'm sure they have a library at your school and I hope you can read English. If these things are true go pick up Foot and Ankle International (written by orthopedic surgeons) and read the article I suggested. It is not an opinion but a researched topic that orthopods are not recieving the same level of training IN THE FOOT AND ANKLE, not the knee or elbow or whole body THE FOOT AND ANKLE. Read it and then you can comment.
     
  43. IlizaRob

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    Oh man, this cracks me up. I think Im going to print this one out. The last time I heard someone say that last sentence was when I was in 7th grade.
     
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    That is funny. I didn't read his comment. The best part is he doesn't know anything about anyone. He maybe picking a fight w/ someone who dances w/ the devil in the pale moonlight.
     
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    Oh I completely agree my friend. That had to be the funniest post in the history of SDN - I think it may be the only one with a clear "threat" and a direct call-out to the playground - classic!

    I wouldn't want to piss him off though because the principal might find out or he might tell on me to my parents.
     
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