why D.O. over M.D.?

[jkhamlin]

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These guys have valid points because while pre-meds can be knowledgeable, I'll be the first to admit that not everyone can know everything. I have additional experience since I've already been "through" medical school once with my husband as well that I pretty much have time intensive study on medical school itself. I'm lucky to be surrounded by people who have already been through medical school or are almost done so I can draw from their experience and know the "dos and don'ts" of school. Trust me, it does help.

I disagree that SDN isn't a valuable resource though. Alot of what I've gathered about school in general (and application processes for residency, rotations, etc) has been gathered on SDN where I get the resources to expand (and verify) what is stated on SDN. I'm sure that once I'm in school the knowledge will be expanded (as things aren't static and changes will obviously occur). From the experience OF a med student (like expectation etc) you can't completely understand that without experiencing that so I agree with JPHazelton on that one. I think everyone's experience is different though. I have been a daily user on SDN and done many of a search for various issues on SDN dealing with school and residency. So maybe I've be around and seen a little more than the user who checks in once a week or so. I also am not the typical SDNer either 😉

Also, I just want to point out to you that you don't have to explain yourself. I think you give good advice here. I was just having fun with Taus because of his overgeneralization. He must think highly of you as well, because he did some major backpedaling after my remark.

 

[Taus]

Also, I just want to point out to you that you don't have to explain yourself. I think you give good advice here. I was just having fun with Taus because of his overgeneralization. He must think highly of you as well, because he did some major backpedaling after my remark.

no i just don't read too deeply into what I read on here and what I post....quite frankly dude....you get the point of my post..thats enough....quit analyzing...its like having everyones ex-gf on here trying to prove petty points

btw for whatever reasons I do tend to agree w/ what msh posts on SDN....you and I obviously don't see eye to eye...so lets just leave it at that

 

[jkhamlin]

no i just don't read too deeply into what I read on here and what I post....quite frankly dude....you get the point of my post..thats enough....quit analyzing...its like having everyones ex-gf on here trying to prove petty points

btw for whatever reasons I do tend to agree w/ what msh posts on SDN....you and I obviously don't see eye to eye...so lets just leave it at that

I wasn't even talking to you, but since you took the time to reply:

I don't disagree with most of what you say, I just don't think it was quite appropriate (especially given that you have the designation of advisor on here) to overgeneralize about premeds, especially in a premed forum. If I thought you were intentionally being rude, I would have filed a complaint about your post. I didn't think that, so I pointed out the problem with your post by responding. That's all. I made my point. 😎

 

[koennen]

I wasn't even talking to you, but since you took the time to reply:

I don't disagree with most of what you say, I just don't think it was quite appropriate (especially given that you have the designation of advisor on here) to overgeneralize about premeds, especially in a premed forum. If I thought you were intentionally being rude, I would have filed a complaint about your post. I didn't think that, so I pointed out the problem with your post by responding. That's all. I made my point. 😎

Oh, oh ... look out Taus. You may be reported to the authorities. And by the way, you should realize that JK, as a premed, knows just as much as you do.

 

[Taus]

Oh, oh ... look out Taus. You may be reported to the authorities. And by the way, you should realize that JK, as a premed, knows just as much as you do.

I guess its a good thing that I wore my brown underwear today...

 

[mshheaddoc]

I have seen plenty of DO's do OMM, I was just trying to compare my experience at a residency program to his alleged experience at a "DO" internship. I disagree that most do not practice OMM. I don't get that "idea" from the physicians, residents, interns, and medical students I have talked to (besides on SDN, where I think a lot of people just spout off without much to back them up).

Yes I saw one DO do OMM at the residency program. I did ask him how often he uses it, which is an interesting area of contention within Osteopathic medicine. He explained to me that there is one school of thought that it needs to be done regularly, and there is one school of thought that it should be done if the situation warrants it. I suspect that the DO's that allegedly don't use OMM fall into the latter camp, and consider "using" OMM to be the former camp. The doctor I saw use OMM fell in the latter camp, as I believe right now that I will. It is an absolutely essential tool, but should only be used when needed, kind of like antibiotics are essential, but it would be dangerous if we were all on antibiotics on a regular basis. Also, I know for a fact that the other residents do OMM because I talked to them, and also because one was moonlighting at an urgent care when I had to take my wife there for a work comp injury. That DO resident was able to fix what was wrong with her when the MD's at the ER just wanted to narc her up and recommend surgery and weeks to months off work.

This is where osteopathic medicine is in "battle" with itself. This is fantastic that your experience is completely different to my experience in osteopathic medicine and from what I have been told. I'm glad to hear that OMM was able to help your wife and I'm thankful that I have my husband to help me with my lower back issues. But maybe there are regional differences or maybe its the specialities one observes. Every experience is different and I hope with the more exposure one has to medicine the student can get a more "broad" idea of what is available and actually practiced. I have been told by quite a few students that their OMM classes have been valuable in learning experiences in relation to disorders and diagnosis. Meanwhile on rotations, others say that they have maybe helped pop a rib back into place one but other than that, they only use muscle energy or some of the stretching techniques maybe three to five times total while on rotations. Many physicians say they are able to help the patient based on their modality of how they learned certain diseases or disorders in reference to their OMM class because they might pick up certain signs that might not have been reinforced if taught without OMM. But face it, the stats out there state the actual daily use in practice is low (which AOA is trying to change obviously). Maybe this is with good reason as not everything requires OMM or maybe it is an under-utilized aspect of osteopaths? Or maybe many of them really just don't find a way to work it into their practice because they think of "medicine" first? Maybe their schools didn't properly teach them or they feel inadequate? These are the questions many osteopathic students/residents/physicians might be asking themselves.

I think in an allo residency (and this is just my opinion) you probably could imagine it being less likely to use OMM. There is no formal teaching helping you with your OMT (something which you do need to keep practicing in some cases to keep "current" with it - back to my "use it or lose it" philosophy). I hope you can see the point that I was trying to make with this statement and the previous statements I have made.

Its all about the philosophy. If you are a big believer of OMM then you might have a greater tendency to actually use OMT. Many students are frustrated with the OMM component on how its taught at their schools (i.e., certain methods MUST be used only, and all the other ways are "wrong" when being tested) so this might discourage them from embracing OMM. Others have a natural talent for it and yet others just really don't give a damn about it and feel like its one more useless thing they have to learn. Perspective is HUGE on this aspect of OMM. You have so far had a positive experience with OMM which will most likely help you to embrace OMM, others might not have had such experiences.

I look forward to "formally" learning OMM and using it but I wonder how many DO's actually use it on a frequent basis because from what I've heard and my experiences, the frequency is extremely low.

 

[mshheaddoc]

I guess its a good thing that I wore my brown underwear today...

watch out, mods have a tendency to like to give out wedgies 😉 😀

 

[Nasrudin]

I guess its a good thing that I wore my brown underwear today...

Brown Underwear!!!....you evil genius!!!....this changes everything for me...no more embarasing squirrel stains in my tighty whities....

 

[koennen]

Brown Underwear!!!....you evil genius!!!....this changes everything for me...no more embarasing squirrel stains in my tighty whities....

That was more information than we needed to know.

 

[Instatewaiter]

So I have a completely off topic joke:

A french soldier and a british soldier were sitting in a bar in full uniform. The french soldier got up from his seat and came over to the british soldier's table and sat down.

"Why is it that you british wear red coats?" asked the french soldier.

"Well" repied the british soldier "when we are in battle and one of us gets shot you cannot see the blood. That way the men don't get scared"

"Hmm thats an intersting idea" said the frenchman.
And from that time on, the french wore brown pants into battle.

 

[MaximusD]

So I have a completely off topic joke:

A french soldier and a british soldier were sitting in a bar in full uniform. The french soldier got up from his seat and came over to the british soldier's table and sat down.

"Why is it that you british wear red coats?" asked the french soldier.

"Well" repied the british soldier "when we are in battle and one of us gets shot you cannot see the blood. That way the men don't get scared"

"Hmm thats an intersting idea" said the frenchman.
And from that time on, the french wore brown pants into battle.

I can see someone taking offense to this in 5...4...3...2...

 

[Taus]

This is where osteopathic medicine is in "battle" with itself. This is fantastic that your experience is completely different to my experience in osteopathic medicine and from what I have been told. I'm glad to hear that OMM was able to help your wife and I'm thankful that I have my husband to help me with my lower back issues. But maybe there are regional differences or maybe its the specialities one observes. Every experience is different and I hope with the more exposure one has to medicine the student can get a more "broad" idea of what is available and actually practiced. I have been told by quite a few students that their OMM classes have been valuable in learning experiences in relation to disorders and diagnosis. Meanwhile on rotations, others say that they have maybe helped pop a rib back into place one but other than that, they only use muscle energy or some of the stretching techniques maybe three to five times total while on rotations. Many physicians say they are able to help the patient based on their modality of how they learned certain diseases or disorders in reference to their OMM class because they might pick up certain signs that might not have been reinforced if taught without OMM. But face it, the stats out there state the actual daily use in practice is low (which AOA is trying to change obviously). Maybe this is with good reason as not everything requires OMM or maybe it is an under-utilized aspect of osteopaths? Or maybe many of them really just don't find a way to work it into their practice because they think of "medicine" first? Maybe their schools didn't properly teach them or they feel inadequate? These are the questions many osteopathic students/residents/physicians might be asking themselves.

I think in an allo residency (and this is just my opinion) you probably could imagine it being less likely to use OMM. There is no formal teaching helping you with your OMT (something which you do need to keep practicing in some cases to keep "current" with it - back to my "use it or lose it" philosophy). I hope you can see the point that I was trying to make with this statement and the previous statements I have made.

Its all about the philosophy. If you are a big believer of OMM then you might have a greater tendency to actually use OMT. Many students are frustrated with the OMM component on how its taught at their schools (i.e., certain methods MUST be used only, and all the other ways are "wrong" when being tested) so this might discourage them from embracing OMM. Others have a natural talent for it and yet others just really don't give a damn about it and feel like its one more useless thing they have to learn. Perspective is HUGE on this aspect of OMM. You have so far had a positive experience with OMM which will most likely help you to embrace OMM, others might not have had such experiences.

I look forward to "formally" learning OMM and using it but I wonder how many DO's actually use it on a frequent basis because from what I've heard and my experiences, the frequency is extremely low.

I couldn't have said it better myself....agree 100%

 

[mille125]

I knew there was some major catch to it. However, I shadowed for about 50 hours at an allopathic family medicine residency, and there were a few DO's there. I saw one do OMM. It is virtually a statistical impossibility that you get 40 DO's together and NONE of them ever do OMM.

these 40 dont do it in practice...period...end of story

 

[AustinFinklea]

these 40 dont do it in practice...period...end of story

Yo Mille,

I believe you. Not to hard to imagine that DOs in an allopathic program DONT use OMT